User talk:Keeper76/Archive 11

AN/I said this wasn't important enough....
...but I'm still disturbed by it so I'm bringing it to AN/K. There's this user JohnLeoWalsh. His user page is just the weirdest frickin' thing. It's not horrible or anything, but I don't think it's got any WP value at all..and his whole edit history--as well as the edit history of his logged-out IP 74.32.51.238--consists of one of two things: either a)edits to this weird-ass user page, or b)addition of deliberate and subtle errors to articles about TV shows/networks. I found a single legit edit, under another IP 74.32.6.70--the Jay Jay the Jet Plane edits. But that's it, and most of the rest of what he spends his time on here is this "God's People/Pets" thing. He doesn't seem to answer questions on his talkpage, either.

I know I'm being weird, here, but...seriously. Something about this smells really odd to me. Thanks!!Gladys J Cortez 16:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This freaks me out. Shapiros10  contact me My work  16:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This is odd, 70% of the logged in users' edits are to userspace. If he keeps on editing without replying to messages on his talkpage, block as having no use to Wikipedia whatsoever...? Unless someone can find some incredibly impressive article contributions ;)  Alex Muller  18:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * On the contrary--all but one of the other edits I've found among this user and IP's (probably him logged out) have been vandalism. Gladys J Cortez 20:20, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this is just... odd. I agree that this wasn't really a matter for AN/I as he doesn't seem to have done anything blatantly wrong, it's just extremely weird. ~ mazca  t 18:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:NOTWEBHOST seems to apply here. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This seems kind of ... well ... creepy to me. Is this user communicative at all about what the hell he's trying to accomplish with that userpage? S. Dean Jameson 19:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * possibly MfD is the place to discuss it. DGG (talk) 22:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * eh, with all the personal information (birth dates) disclosed, it should be speedied under some applicable criteria and oversighted. – xeno  ( talk ) 22:43, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sent this page to MfD Fritzpoll (talk) 22:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thankfully deleted by Nichalp. He did say that it doesn't qualify for oversight because there's no personally identifiable information present.  Enigma  message 09:57, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That I don't get at all. If those are real people, there were names and DoBs. S. Dean Jameson 13:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

POV in Indian articles
Hi there is an IP address probably from India which is wreaking havoc with some of the Bollywood articles. See his contributions. He persistently keeps adding POV to an article or glorifying an actor or film further than they or it actually is. It is a major nuisance for the editors on here who work on Indian cinema articles to have to keep reverting him day in day out just to maintain some sense of article neutrality. Could you please warn him and try to make him aware of wikipedias neutrality and why his edits which are intent on putting POV or glorifying the subject of the article unnecesarily may be construed as agains tpolicy and therfore vandalism. Its doing my nut it keeoing track of him. User:Shshshsh (Shahid) raise my awarenss of it initially and other editors such as totalfilmi99 have to keep reverting him e.g here. Should he be blocked do you think? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:11, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look today Blofeld. Sorry for the slow response (Why aren't the TPS-ers taking the hard ones? Hmmm...,  Keeper    76  14:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Didn't go fast enough, oops! Tan blocked after AN post by Baldy.   Keeper    76  17:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Table of reliable sources for the names of the bits of the United Kingdom
Hi there, a while back, you did excellent work in carrying out some informal mediation on Talk:Wales about how to name the various bits of the United Kingdon. Part of your solution relied on a table of reliable sources that had been constructed on my initiative and placed in Subdivisions of the United Kingdom. Since then, there has been numerous changes made to the table and its place, so that now its present version lies in Countries of the United Kingdom. There is now a suggestion that it be removed entirely! Since your solution to the Wales problem relied on the presence of the table, I wonder if you could consider the issue of removal of the table? You can see the discussion on Talk:Countries of the United Kingdom. Thanks. DDStretch   (talk)  14:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi DDStretch, I'll get to this today. Should be online most of the day! Hope everyone had a nice weekend...AN/K sure seems busy...:-)    Keeper    76  14:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Funnies

 * Remember ? My quote?  You called it quote of the day.  Will you add it to your funnies.  Shapiros10  contact me My work  19:13, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keeper, you there? Shapiros10  contact me My work  14:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * imo, that joke needs too much context to be included on a funny page like that. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * no, just put Shapiroa10, talking about a children's TV show. Shapiros10  contact me My work  14:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Shap, I add things to my funnies page when the mood strikes me. You'll notice that virtually everything added there by me are added within hours (if not minutes) of when they actually occur.  You're quote was funny, in an ironic way, and truly made me LOL when I read it, enough so to actually respond to it telling you it was funny.  But I didn't add it to the funnies page, didn't occur to me.  I think probably Xeno is right, too much context.  Not to worry though, it's still in my archives where you found it.  Cheers,  Keeper    76  14:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh, shoulda known it wasn't funny.  Shapiros10  contact me My work  14:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh stop. I'm trying to read some article talk pages to solve content disputes and the orange message bar keeps popping up for this.  This thread isn't funny, the other one was.  Please let it go, Sam.   Keeper    76  14:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thankspam
Thanks for your effective co-nom in my RFA. I must say, while I was pretty sure you would support me, I was not expecting such a, um, vehement support. I humbly thank you, and I hope that it is possible for me to live up to such a tremendous statement.

J.delanoy gabs adds 20:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well earned! As you had approximately 3.5 times the amount of support that I did in my RfA, I fully expect you to be 3.5 times more efficient, more prolific, and more smarter than me.  The last one shouldn't be too hard :-)   Keeper    76  14:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Indian IP
Hi yes I've been trying to get hold of people for numerous reasons but many people seme to be away. Yes he has just been blocked. Hope you had a good break. I also needed your help with moving some pages for the centrla american countries but thats also been sorted now. Sometimes I could really use the tools!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I've offered to nominate. I'm no longer doing nominations, but I would gladly support your bid if you ever decide to go for it.   Keeper    76  17:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh actually there was something else. See Category:Cities, towns and villages in Thailand. There are many articles which are unnecessily ending in (town) or city. COuld you move them back to the plain names without the ending. The provincial name ends in Province anyway so naming something ... town is incorrect. E.g Chanthaburi town should be moved back to Chanthaburi which is in Chanthaburi Province, Could you help? Evidence of this is buri or puri Chanthaburi means town so that article at present is town town. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:51, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I've done three: Chanthaburi town, Lamphun town, and Roi Et town.  Click on those, see if they're going the right way now, I'll continue with your greenlight that they are now in the proper places.  Has anyone warned the user that is improperly moving these?    Keeper    76  18:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes thats perfect thanks. I don't know who moved them but the suffix was unnecessary. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, I'll keep going, obvious need for cleanup here... Keeper   76  18:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks. Yes I have no idea why he thought it was necessary. Hat notes can disinguish the difference anyway. I've somehow managed to notch up around 1000 edits adding templates I created and categories to all the municipalities in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panama are next. When I've finished and done Mexico we should have every municipalitiy in central america undercontrol and order and in the position to expand some of these stubs which have been lying around since 2004. I;m leanring spanish so it is also a learning process. Yesterday I started University of El Salvador and expanded Apastepeque by translating from spanish wikipedia! Central America is a grey area of wikipedia and there are some facinating places with rich histories and cultures ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦  $1,000,000? 18:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It certainly is, and there are some active editors like JbMurray who may feel able to help. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

If you or Fritz or anybody wants to lend to Bald One a hand if you see WikiProject Nicaragua/Department templates I need to fill out the templates with the municipalities. Basically it is a cut and paste job from the respective department article and paste it into the template e.g like Template:Managua Department. I;m nearing the end of Honduras in terms of adding templates but Nicarague will be next. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000?> 19:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have my hands full in other areas. Heck, there must be at least 2,457,231 editors I've not yet got around to being uncivil with. Just not enough hours in the day. :-( --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Thats great if you could lend a hand. Check my editing history over last two days its a monster!! I;ve just finished adding the templates to Honduras. If the Nicaraguan ones are waiting, after setting up the municipal categories by department it should be ready to plough through tomorrow. COsta Rica is going to be a biggy as we need templates not only for the provinces but for the individual cantons and is it quite developed on here. There are for example 10-16 cantons in a province on average, then each canton often has 20 districts/municipalities!! Soon enough all the central american places will have finoboxes and basic referenced data soon enough. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:11, 28 July 2008 (UTC) Perfecto amigo gracias. Eventually the tenplates will probably be fleshed out with articles on other topics related to them such as landmarks/history.people etc.But municipalities is all at present. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:21, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think they're done, I see you did the last few (started at the bottom). Phew!  This is way way more article work than I'm used to. Refreshing :-)   Keeper    76  20:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Cheers. I've just nabbed Chinandega from spanish wikipedia. Once translated this is EXACTLY the sort of content I keep talking about that should be on here in detail for all these places rather than one line uncategorized sub stubs. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 21:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh wow! That makes me wish I knew Spanish! (Beyond grade 9 mandatory).  I can say Hola and Mucho Gusto.  And Lo Siento.  Other than that, I'm-o confused-o.  Do you want me to add the province templates (the ones with municipalities) to the province articles?  I noticed they weren't on there for the majority of them, probably because they (at the present) contain exactly the same amount of (non) material as the articles themselves.  I can add them if you wish though,  Keeper    76  21:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I keep missing the yellow bar...
That is so bad, it's good. Thanks! That was awesome! J.delanoy gabs adds 19:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad you liked that bit o' cheese. Made that up all by me-self, I did I did.   Keeper    76  20:51, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

A note of appreciation
You'll never know how much you helped me at the worst moment of my life. You wrote on my talk page, and told me to say it out loud, "I'm gonna be OK". I did that, and have been doing it daily ever since. You have made a profound difference in my life, and I did not want it to go unnoted. Jeffpw (talk) 19:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Love ya, babe. Keep on keepin, and hit me up if you need anything at all of course.  Wish I had email, but I don't, but if its something that you want dozens of editors to read (my talkpage is heavily watchlisted), please use my talkpage for absolutely anything at all!  Be well Wiki-friend,  Keeper    76  21:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I need a GA mentor, or a volunteer PR'er
Dear Keeper and associated TPS, would someone be willing to help me get an article to GA status? I promise to do all the work myself, but what I really need is a mentor who understands the process and expectations, who can give me detailed feedback iteratively as I integrate suggestions. I've got a couple of articles in mind (Whedonesque.com and James Dobson), but am willing to work on another article that reasonably interests me. i.e., I'm willing to work on an article of the mentor's choice in exchange for the associated education and training. Thanks! Jclemens (talk) 20:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This is gonna hafta be a TPS request. I am so ridiculously "unqualified" to mentor anyone through the GA process, having never been through it myself.  My first thoughts are Giggy and Malleus Fatuorum, maybe Sandy Georgia, Moni3.  Not sure who can take on the workload, but I've seen these 4 be extremely helpful with GA/FA n00bs (heck, I might hit one of them up myself if I ever decide to actually write something :-)   Keeper    76  21:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict)I reccomend Giggy, who would probably bite your hand off if you offered to help him with some GA or PR work.  Gazi moff  21:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Giggy would be a good choice, he knows what he's doing. I've currently got my hands full mentoring myself. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:11, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

This should answer all your questions
Hi - this could take care of all of your questions. --Frederick day (talk) 23:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Bye. Keeper    76  00:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Is it me...
...or is Tangobot tallying RfA opposes slightly differently of late? Frank |  talk  00:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Tangobot won't tally the first oppose until there's a reply to or or another oppose. he's silly like that. I shall trick him. – xeno  ( talk ) 00:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm going to assume you're right...because you usually are. So that leads to the question: how do you know this stuff? (Do you have a life?) Frank  |  talk  00:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't help it if I'm brilliant ............ =] actually, to be honest, some user up for RFA figured it out, and I noticed them replying with placeholder comments to ensure tango properly tallied their RFA. – xeno  ( talk ) 03:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * But you're still not asserting that you have a life, I notice... ;-) Frank  |  talk  03:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Guilty as charged =) I'm off for now. –  xeno  ( talk ) 03:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thank-you
Thank-you for your support of me at my recent RFA, which was successful. I have appreciated everyone's comments and encouragement there. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:18, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

A question about WikiProjects and BLP
Hi, Keeper. I'm hoping the admins that hobnob on your page an are learned in the ways of WP:BLP are able to give input to a situation. From this discussion on the talk page for Charlie Crist spawned a disagreement over the placement of WikiProject LGBT studies' template on the article's talk page. Though Crist has been rumored to be gay (something I think is a political ploy), the template has been removed due to BLP concerns. Does merely the placement of a wikiproject template on a talk page have any bearing on information in the article? I posed the question at Talk:BLP, and I'm surprised it has gone unanswered. --Moni3 (talk) 00:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Despite my prolifickness in jabber, I'm all about the sources. Are there any reliable, secondar sources that say that Mr. Crist is in fact gay, I can't imagine what appropriateness there would be for adding said person to the LGBT template.  Do you have any sources? If so, I'll battle with you, if not, I can't do much...   Keeper    76  00:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Needs to be a damn good source, too, I imagine. Tan      39  00:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Totally uninformed off the cuff remark (I know little to nothing about the BLP policy): the placement of the template doesn't necessarily mean the person is LGBT - the fact that he's a politician who is outspoken in support of laws that restrict LGBT from marriage, etc. would seem to put him under their purvey. – xeno  ( talk ) 00:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (several e/c's)I was going to add, I'm not personally prejudiced one way or the other. Simply that I need to see reliable sources, not just speculation or accusation.  If he is purported to be such, so be it, I'll add it myself.  If not, I'll revert his page continually, with no hard feelings against those editors that feel the addition is necessary although illfounded.   Keeper    76  00:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And to Xeno, the template in question, at least historically if I may be so bold, is for those that have either belonged, or explicitly supported, such a categorization as LGBT in person or in support of such. I need a reliable source to say that Crist specifically is such before I defend such an assertion.  Keeper    76  00:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * yea, don't mind me, like i said, just shout outs from the peanut gallery here. my suggestions seems to have already been shot down, cf. Hurmata (talk) 18:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC). As for the rest...TLDR. – xeno  ( talk ) 00:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Crist has never admitted to being gay, and there are no 3rd party resources verifying that he is. As I said, I doubt that he is, and I think these are simply politically motivated rumors. However, that is not the only reason to tag an article's talk page. We have tagged Jesse Helms, Fred Phelps, and Jodie Foster. None of these people have admitted to being gay, but all have information in their article that is within the project's interest. My question, more to the point, is: does a talk page template violate BLP? The template itself does not say the subject is gay, just that the article falls within the scope of the project and accuracy of information in the article is a goal of WP:LGBT. --Moni3 (talk) 00:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I replied at Talk:Crist a bit more, but I still say without reservation that the "LGBT" tag carries more connotation to it than it should.  Without verification, I strongly believe that the only articles that should carry the LGBT wikiproject tag are those that are either directly (or very closely indirectly) affected (or involved in) by the LGBT community.  I don't believe, without reliable sources anyway, that Crist is a suitable candidate for the LBGT Wiiproject tag at this point. That, of course, could change tomorrow, depending on the reliable, independent sources that arise...   Keeper    76  01:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not an admin, but I'm going to go ahead and throw my two cents in. From what I can see, the LGBT tag isn't purely for people who identify as LGBT.  Barbara Striesand has one, Paris Hilton has one, Mark Foley, Larry Craig, and Anderson Cooper all have them.  So there's plenty of precedent for having the template up on the talk page of people who aren't LGBT.  I think if an office ticket was submitted by the Crist camp then it would be the right thing to remove it, but until then community acceptance seems to be on the side of letting the project tag go up wherever it wants to.  A change to letting these articles be tagged would be something that should be sorted out at either the project page or a general discussion area (village pump, RfC, etc). Vickser (talk) 01:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I need to disagree here, at least in respect to Crist. Unless a BLP explicitly supports, or is a part of, the LGBT community, I don't see what purpose, other than disparagement, the LGBT community would have for this particular BLP.  Sources, sources, sources, people.  Wikipedians, listen!   Again, let me adamanetly state, I'm explicitly not against adding this tag were appropriate, nor am I against said community.  I merely feel that it needs to be applied sparingly and where necessitated.  Crist, at this point, is not necessitated, only because it is at "rumor" stage, without any substantial sources to back up the claims.  Please don't misconstrue this as being (personally) any way bigoted or close minded.  It's a BLP, and I will defend any BLP, for the sake of the integrity of Wikipedia, regardless of my personal views or convictions.   Keeper    76  01:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I may be a bit slow to respond because for some reason, this is getting my dander up. I don't like responding when I'm irked. So I'm going to reply when I feel all, you know, whatev. I want to make sure, however, the following is understood: 1) adding the tag does not state or imply that the subject is gay. True, some people may make that snap assumption, but the project cannot control what people infer despite cited fact in the article. 2) The comment "other than disparagement" is disconcerting. I can only speak for myself as a member of WP:LGBT in saying that only cited fact is what I'm interested in as a member of the project. I dislike that sexual orientation is used as political fodder, similarly to the Karl Rove-brainchild of calling voters in South Carolina and asking them if it would change their votes to learn that John Edwards had a mixed race child out of wedlock. He did not, but it's South Carolina, and just putting that idea in voters' heads had an adverse impact. Soon, a candidate may be accused of being gay and it will have absolutely no impact at all, because people simply won't care. Now, however, because Crist has been listed as a possible VP for John McCain, these rumors have emerged. If they are unfounded, I would like to make sure that the article reflects that. Ideally, all members of the project should have this goal in mind. Lastly, 3) I'm still having difficulty understanding how a template on the talk page violates BLP, which involves information on the article page. These two things are clearly separate in my mind. Is it that LGBT carries with it such an aura of... accusation? or guilt? that it's presence affects the contents of the article? If that is the case, is that the issue that WP:LGBT must overcome? --Moni3 (talk) 01:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * edit conflict x3 I do see where you're coming from, and I agree that BLP is one of if not the most important wiki rules, but I don't think the template implies that Crist is gay or an acceptance of gay rumors. If you look at the wide variety of people who have the tags, and the wording of the template itself, to me it doesn't say "we think Crist is gay" or any variant thereof. In my opinion projects should be given wide leeway in determining what's of interest to them, so long as the language of the template allows it. And don't stress! I don't what you're saying is at all anti-gay, just pro "do no harm." :) Vickser (talk) 01:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * As Gov. Crist has not identified himself as gay, and as the allegations that he is gay are rooted solely from his political opponents (I looked this up), then it is inappropriate to have the WikiProject LGBT template on his Talk Page. Barbra Streisand and Paris Hilton have gone out of their way to market their recordings and appearances to the gay media, so having an LGBT template on their pages is not problematic (how come no one mentioned Liza?).  But Gov. Crist has specifically denied being gay, so having the LGBT template makes no sense. After all, this is not Rumor-pedia. Ecoleetage (talk) 03:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

<--To Moni, I need to rephrase something. When I said "other than disparagment", I did not mean Wikipedia disparaging a BLP by adding a tag. I meant the BLP's political opponents attempting to disparage him in the eyes of his (presumably conservative) support base/voters. I wholeheartedly agree that such an "accusation" should not be "disparaging", but it is, unfortunately, disparaging to a large percentage of the American population. Because its a BLP, and only because it's a BLP, should we be extra careful and "do no harm". I'll go look at the article and sources, and I'm going to crosspost this on your talk to be sure you see it. My apologies if anything I'm typing is being misread, I sincerely am not trying to sound offensive, but my keyboard is having difficulty expressing my tone and finding the right way to say what I'm trying to say. Keeper   76  14:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response, Keeper. I understand. I think. Actually I'm not sure what's being said anymore. What seems like a very black and white situation: a template on a talk page having nothing at all to do with content in the article, is being construed in ways I never conceived. It's quite creative, actually, and had I no investment in it I might find it pretty entertaining. --Moni3 (talk) 14:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It only "seems" like a black and white issue, but it's really more of a greyish yellow-brown issue. Like the color of baby-vomit, really.  One day, the world will pull its borg-like head out its ass and realize that it really isn't an issue at all, of any color.  My sincere apologies to you Moni if I've caused any offense to you personally, or if you feel that I'm only feeding the negativity of the conservative viewpoints.  I think, in the end, that the LGBT tag can be appropriate if that particular multi-viewpoint WikiProject feels that the article is worth including, for whatever reason.  There need to be third party reliable sources (yes, even for the talkpage tagging for a BLP) that show how Crist is involved (even in a negative way) with the LGBT community.  Forgetting the political mucky-muck for a sec - as a legislator/governor, has he done anything policy-wise that is of specific interest to WP:LGBT to include his article under its wing?  I can see a justification for adding it, in similar fashion to adding it to Dubya/Dobson/other high profile conservative politicians/faces.   Keeper    76  14:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok. This is a fight that this project has had many times, and no doubt will have numerous times in the future. Right now, BLP policy for non-article space is open to interpretation, and WP:LGBT's goals and missions, according to these discussions on Charlie Crist, are being interpreted to mean that we are trying to impose an agenda of gay sexual orientation on the article and on Crist. This is not the case. We are trying to make sure accurate information is being presented in the article. What is very bothersome is that editors not involved in WP:LGBT are allowed to interpret what our intentions and goals are, and remove the tag accordingly. Moreover, we may be the only WikiProject whose appearance on a talk page carries with it POV, just by being there. I've stared at this paragraph for what seems 30 minutes. I don't know what to write anymore... I'm nonplussed. --Moni3 (talk) 15:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You realize, I sincerely hope, that I'm on your side of this particular issue. This keyboard is doing me injustice, I can't format my sentences properly. I'll try a ridiculously unrelated and inappropriate analogy. I wouldn't tag Minnesota with WikiProject Ireland, even though most of the captial St. Paul is Irish and was built by the Irish.  Why does this one particular article need the tag?  What's the motivatioin behind it?  There is nothing stopping you and every other editor from making sure that the article on a US governor is accurate, NPOV, sourced. Whether the talkpage is tagged or not.  The fact that the LGBT wikiproject "carries with it POV", to use your words, is unfortunate, and wrong.  I'll gladly (no pun intended) help clear that.  I have no malice towards the WikiProject, I don't presume to know what the group's "intentions and goals" are, and if anything that I've stated otherwise was interpretted that way, let me know so I can strike it.  I have no idea what the groups goals and intentions are, other than to work collaboratively to build a better encyclopedia like every other WikiProject.  Also, I don't know what nonplussed means.  And I'm not sure anymore what I think about any of this, but I highly highly respect you and the work you do here (for free) on Wikipedia and I'm going to stop responding for somewhere between 8 and 20 hours so that I can have a clear head.  I don't want anyone to be angry at anything I post in regards to this subject or subject matter.   Keeper    76  15:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand you're not against the project, I do. I wouldn't remove WP:Ireland from any project they think is under their scope. Using analogies, imagine if I removed WP:Military History templates because I think they can only come from a place of warmongering and hyperviolence. That their actions in the article will only lead to a bias. It would be stunning, would it not? Would that not get them upset? Why should I determine what articles are within their scope? Loopholes and problems like these call for clarity in policy. I despise the bickering and accusation that goes on on the ANI page about who's more offended that who, but this seems to me as if folks are neglecting to Assume Good Faith of an entire WikiProject. Why on earth would we tag an article if not to ensure it should have accurate information in it?
 * A period of thought is probably called for. I would like to be able to proceed with something productive. If that means WP:LGBT should write out and have consensus from its project members about what falls under their scope for many editors to read, then I'll be happy to start that process. If BLP should be clarified, I don't know how to do that. If policy elsewhere should be clearer about AGF from a WikiProject, I don't know where to go for that or what to do. --Moni3 (talk) 15:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Useless!
If you want to do something useful, Featured article candidates/Midtown Madness would love a copyedit. Every FAC I promise myself I'll get through without asking someone to copyedit my weak prose, and FAC I realise I should have made this promise before starting. —Giggy 03:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The key word in this post, is "if". That's a big "if". Not feeling overly useful ATM.  Keeper    76  14:50, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK then
 * Enjoy a half-arsed
 * Hai-fail-ku
 * (Anytime you feel up to it, I'll have an article ready - just say the word!) —Giggy 14:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Jake One
As per your comments in closing the AFD on this, I have expanded the article with references. It's fair enough expecting the article to be expanded beyond one sentence, but it would be nice to see the serial deletionists occasionally encouraged to make a more constructive contribution to the project, rather than editors such as myself who go through AFD's and spend a few minutes trying to determine notability before commenting on them. Cheers.--Michig (talk) 09:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I said "or any other editors", but you have to realize that asking a deletionist to expand an article is an exercize in futility, similar to attempting to nail jelly to the wall. Unless of course, that deletionist wrote the article in the first place and someone else AFD'ed it.  Then, watch out, world, the allcaps are-a comin'.   Keeper    76  14:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Small Review Request
So, I've been working a lot on this Henry Conway article of late, and it's approved for DYK and should probably make its way to the front page in the not too distant future. I'm having some issues with the Parliamentary payments scandal section, and I've just reached the point where I've read so much about it and rewritten it so much that I can't even tell if it makes sense any more. Is there any chance Keeper or a TPS would be willing to read that section over and let me know what it looks like from the perspective of a new reader? Just basic things: does it flow logically? Does it explain what happened? Is there anything unclear or that you feel needs more information? Comments and edits on the rest of the article would obviously be welcome as well, but it's only the payments section that I'm truly freaking out over. Vickser (talk) 12:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm reading this, have an idea, I'll be on your talkpage shortly! (The anticipation is killing you softly, init... Keeper   76  14:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

No worries
Wikipedia's worth taking the trouble to make it better. We all do it. Kurt Weber ( Go Colts! ) 14:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Just testing something
for my dashboard. Wish I had a sockpuppet for this:

Keeper   76  17:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like it works. I can help out, if you need it - but you do show up in Category:Wikipedians looking for help, if that's what you're checking. UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 17:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I'm just checking if my dashboard updates the "immediate request" box correctly and turns bright colors. The kind of help that this admin needs is not available on Wikipedia anyway...:-)   Keeper    76  17:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Aha! Gotcha. I tried to get mine to highlight items requiring immediate attention, but ended up making a mess of it - so gave up. UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 18:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice try trying to get a leg up on my dashboard, keep. Anyways, it should work now, since I pwn. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Pwned. Bitch. Too many edit conflicts here, I'll go play somewhere else :-)  Keeper    76  18:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Follow the breadcrumbs from here: User talk:Xenocidic – xeno  ( talk ) 18:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

All pages needing factual verification
That "verify" tag at the top of your page is making your talkpage show up in Category:All pages needing factual verification. Any way to fix that? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!) 18:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I like it. I'm definitely in need of factual verification.   Keeper    76  18:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * True though that may be... only thing I could suggest would be to subst the template and delete the category from the result - but it'd make that part of your talk page trickier to edit. Or you could just make it point to Category:Wikipedians needing factual verification... UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 18:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Must...avoid...clicking...redlink.... J.delanoy gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  18:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I really really want that category to stay on my talkpage, is that a huge problem? I don't want to be a dick about it, I just find it hilarious tis all, and very true.  Read any day's worth of threads and you'll understand... Keeper    76  18:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd really only see it as a problem if that category were ever not in a never-ending backlog. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If my page ends up being the very last in the cat, I'll find a source to verify whatever needs to be verified, or remove the vn tag me-self. Until then, happy editing!  Keeper    76  18:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Eh?
Can you explain to me what "Drive-by tagging" is and yet this and this) is overlooked? I did make a courteous note on the talk page, and my views are supported by WP:LEAD. I was about to make a second comment on Talk:Wales and we edit-conflicted - I'm very surprised by the content of your message. --<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">Jza84 | Talk  21:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Matt Lewis' commentary is far far from ideal, and I apologize if you feel I was ignoring his tone. I personally agree that the lead has much to be desired, per LEAD (for example, all the freeking sourcing - I can't imagine how this would fare at GA let along FA).  But for whatever reason, perceived or real, another editor feels/perceives that your tagging was done with less than stellar motives, and is doing a poor job of saying it.  His edit summary sucked, his post on Talk:Wales was filled with accusation.  He should apologize.  I reverted you again because I simply honestly fail to see how "undoing" his revert of your edit and readding the template (disclosure, I detest all templates, they are distracting to our readers), when he is clearly upset by it, will somehow help alleviate the problem with the article and its lead.   Keeper    76  21:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Okie dokie - like I say, I was about to pass comment with a further, more detailed response about why I thought that tag was more than appropriate in this instance (pointing to WP:LEAD) but got edit conflicted with this. I felt (past tense) aggrieved that, objectively, I've done the right thing (IMO), and that you happen "detest all templates" has now given fuel to an out-of-control incivility-fire. Oh well, C'est la vie; no hard feelings on my part. I'm sure some good will come out of it. --<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">Jza84 | Talk  21:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good (I think?) I don't think anything is an "out-of-control incivility-fire", but perhaps there is more context somewhere that I'm not seeing. I have only ever worked on the Wales article, I have no vested interest in the content (or knowledge for that matter), and was asked by Ddstretch to comment as uninvolved, regarding the lead sentence.  There's an archive of that craziness on Talk:Wales.  The article has remained in my watchlist is all.  I'm sure some good will come out of it, I found a refreshingly dedicated group of editors (with vastly different POVs mind you) that came together and found a solution that has "stuck" for a couple of weeks, no small feat considering the edit warring and near-protection of the article that was eminent.  I think what happened is that the tagging felt "drive-by", too soon after so much effort went into the "lead".  I strongly agree with you that there are multiple issues in the lead.  The tag, while added completely in good faith, was simply not helping address the issues, it was merely shining a blinding light in the eyes of those working on fixing it.  Good will come from the discussion on the talkpage, I have no doubt.  Moving right along!  Keeper    76  21:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

July 2008
Please don't stop introducing jokes into Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a community, and contributions of this type are considered hilarious! Continuing to add jokes and other disruptive content into articles may lead to you being a institutionalized for humor! --Clubjuggle T / C  20:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * heh. guilty.  And, is that really a template?  I need to find that one, I can think of several admins pages that I can add it to... Keeper    76  20:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's in my user space at User:Clubjuggle/Uw-joke. I have no objection to moving it to WP-space if you think that will fly! --Clubjuggle T / C  20:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Do it. It will make for quite the hilarious MFD down the road if anyone else actually notices it.  I recommend Template:WIKIPEDIA IS SO SERIOUS, AND THIS IS A SERIOUS WARNING.  heh.  Keeper    76  20:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * See Template:uw-serious. :) --Clubjuggle T / C  21:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Purrrrfect. And MBisanz, shame on you for actually bluelinking my ridiculously long WP: template idea.  But hilarious nonetheless.  May they never go red.... Keeper    76  21:09, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Just when you think I'm not watching.  MBisanz  talk 21:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, I always knew you were watching. I don't swear as much as I used to because I know you (and Jesus) are watching.... Keeper    76  21:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "Part of the uw-humour user warning template series" :)  Gazi moff  21:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm hoping this user is single
Neon white, because I so need a date. From information on the user page, he appears to be prime date material. --Moni3 (talk) 12:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed!  MBisanz  talk 12:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Haiku decline
User talk:78.151.161.213 – xeno  ( talk ) 14:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hilarity in the simplest form.  Qb  | your 2 cents  14:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Creative and clear
 * The best block decline, ever
 * Xeno rocks my world
 * Keeper   76  14:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * =) – xeno  ( talk ) 14:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * How long, oh how long
 * Did it take you to write such
 * a bad haiku, Keeps? —Giggy 14:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * If I remember
 * Correctly, it took no time
 * At all. Um. At all.
 * (damn. I lose)  Keeper    76  14:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * A new thread on Keeper's talk brings a rush,
 * Edit conflicts galore in the crush,
 * They like blocking in verse,
 * Or AFD's with a theme (so much worse!),
 * Either way, AN/K, is enough to make MySpacers blush!
 * Limerick anyone? Pedro : Chat  15:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There once was a fellow named Keep
 * Whose talk page was followed by sheep
 * It's no big surprise
 * When edit conflicts arise
 * And the rent is surprisingly cheap. Tan      39  15:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Limerick?. Nah, I prefer Cork. Keeper   76  15:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

The user "Keeper76"

He had a big bag of tricks

He was very popular

he had lots of stalk-u-lars (portmanteau of stalking and regulars)

At his talk, you can get your kicks!

I'm awful. Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work 15:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * User talk:78.151.161.213 just threw up another nonsense unblock request if anyone wants to join the fun... or, if you're not that fun, just PP-usertalk the page =) – xeno  ( talk ) 15:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I took the business approach to this, and if he uses the template once more I'll protect the page. Pedro : Chat  15:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. I was kinda leaning towards that being a better idea. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Some people appear
 * To have way too much time on
 * Their hands this fine day :-D Ecoleetage (talk) 15:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Eco: did you like mine? Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  15:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Sam, did you know there were elephants in the Apocrypha? Ecoleetage (talk) 16:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Once again, I enter, late

Still, I must commend

Xeno's decline, Zen abounds.

Chaotic Reality  10:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes I know I already used this one a few months ago
This is a haiku. If you don't like it, fuck off. It obeys the rules. – iride  scent  14:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL that sounds like the kind of poetry I used to write for my 11th grade "creative writer's" class (I hated poetry =) – xeno  ( talk ) 14:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Would someone take a look at this for me?
There's a user that's flinging baseless accusations of personal attacks, incivility, and on and on at first Blechnic, and now me. S/he's drug Fritzpoll, Eusebus, and a couple of others into it. Would someone take a look and warn her about accusing others of policy violations that they didn't commit? Here is the link. S. Dean Jameson 02:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * SDJ, your link above leads to an archived WQA page. What exactly do you need help with?  Honest question... Keeper    76  03:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Too slow, old man. – xeno  ( talk ) 03:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Bite me, punk. (I mean Xeno, of course, not you SDJ)... Keeper   76  03:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict-redundant, per above, but posting anyway)Your TPSers beat you to it. It was archived minutes ago. She dragged my name into a frivolous WQA "report", and I just wanted someone to tell her to stop flinging around baseless accusations of incivility. Xeno and N did one better. One commented, the other closed it. She's spent the better part of two days harangueing me with this, and I was tired of it. Problem solved, though (for now), so no worries. Thank heavens for TPSers! :) S. Dean Jameson 03:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll say again, like I said above (where you, SDJ, were lamenting that you were growing tired of this place). Today's "newspaper" is tomorrow's catbox liner.  Nothing on Wikipedia worth being stressed about.  Plenty to work hard at, pletny to fix, but nothing worth getting stessed about.  Be well,  Keeper    76  03:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I really need to remember that when ... umm ... "interesting" people like that user come along. Thanks for the always sage counsel! (Don't laugh, TPSers, it really was "sage", and I really did need to hear it! Sometimes our friend Keep is a truly wise man... ;) ) S. Dean Jameson 03:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Whadya mean "sometimes?" When ain't I sage?  bastard.... Keeper    76  03:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikiquette alerts. Don't make me pull the trigger, you sunuvabitch! I have that there weapon now, and I know how to (mis)use it! So you'd better be pretty damn careful who you're calling a bastard, you ol' jackass! S. Dean Jameson 03:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Go for it. I'm damn well sure you'd "win" your case.  I'm defintely a sunuvabitch, seeing as I've never much cared for my mother.  Best of luck to you.  May the best editor win, adn may the non-admin be blocked, er, I mean, win.... Keeper    76  03:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * In all seriousness, Keeper, thanks for the advice. You were right, as usual. And the issue is pretty much resolved, at least for now. You are as wise as you are handsome--no wait, that's probably not a good word picture... S. Dean Jameson 15:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Watchlist issue
Obviously this is a little bit nonsensical; to bring this to Keeper's talk, but I figured an administrator's noticeboard was the best place to get a quick answer. WP:AN/K. Useight edited my talk, and it's not showing up on my watchlist. My talk page is watchlisted. Anyone run into something similar? Where do I report a watchlist bug?  Enigma  message 05:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you accidentally unwatch it? I do that sometimes with my own talk page. J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  05:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If not, unwatch it and re-watch it again. Perhaps that will help. And I didn't break it on purpose. :P Useight (talk) 05:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried unwatch and re-watching but it didn't fix the problem. Your edit at 1:10 my time is still not showing up on the watchlist. Your last edit did, though.  Enigma  message 05:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Useight's edit here didn't show up on my watchlist either. Only J.delanoy's did. I'm confused. What is it about you, Useight? Are you a bot in disguise?  Enigma  message 05:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have it set to show only the most recent edit? I did that accidentally to mine once TravellingCari  11:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe Useight got given the +insignificant flag. Well deserved! ;) ~ mazca  t 12:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, he made a minor edit, which by default wouldn't appear in the watchlist, only non-minor edits appear.  MBisanz  talk 13:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ...so you should uncheck  Hide minor edits from the watchlist, if you have it checked =) – xeno  ( talk ) 13:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * As it turns out, I'm am a bot in disguise . I only feign sleep periods to avoid detection. In all actuality, though, I do mark edits as minor if it's a very brief comment, such as that one. That's probably what caused the issue. Useight (talk) 15:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, MBisanz hit the nail on the head. I do have minor edits hidden, but I figured people leaving talk comments wouldn't be minor! Useight, that was sneaky!  Enigma  message 15:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Your funnies
Is this good enough for inclusion? Scarian Call me Pat!  14:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The irony actually took me a few seconds. Heh, that's funny... Keeper    76  01:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * User:Enigmaman pointed it out. Give him the credit! Scarian  Call me Pat!  01:05, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Delete
Hi can you nuke Comalapa, La Paz cheers. A redirect or page would not have bene appropriate as it already existed elsewhere and this doesn't exist in "La Paz" ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦  $1,000,000? 18:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Fritzpoll (talk) 19:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I need someone to talk to... oh :)
Hey there Keeper. I just came here because I almost never get any new messages anymore. Besides Balloonman a few days ago and the 4 DYK templates on my short talk page... Heh... I just wanted to let you know I got a new user page design (Yay!). So if you come across someone with my old user page design (i.e this old design), it's not me. ;) I also started adopting again... You can look at the program here... hopefully it won't break down like the last time from what I've learned. I'll basically adopt only one editor, possibly two if someone desperately needs it. Would like your opinions since I have nobody to talk to. :P -- RyRy  ( talk ) 22:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Adoption, great! Where do I sign up? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 04:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh, heh... oh, were you serious? :P -- RyRy  ( talk ) 04:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, RyRy, using this tool, I see your talk page has 335 edits this month. Mine only has 166. I just quietly go about getting my work done. I wouldn't mind a few more "new message" bars, they make the day more enjoyable and I'm pretty much always available to provide assistance. You out there, stalkers? :P Useight (talk) 05:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The "new message bar" is a blessing and a curse. This page has over 6500 edits.  This year.  Careful what you wish for RyRy, wouldn't want anyone to accuse you of being too myspacey... Keeper    76  14:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * looks like mfc's now ! – xeno  ( talk ) 14:32, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Pudge!
Pudge a Yankee?? WTF were they (Yankees and Tigers!) thinking! ESPN. I'm not happy. Not happy, Hank! /OT comments TravellingCari  22:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe, soon you'll see Derek Jeter with the Boston Red Sox. :P -- RyRy   Public  ( talk ) 22:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (e/c response to TCari) It only proves to me that your team is more willing to buy a team rather than build one. Glad to see Mr. Golden-glove out of the AL central, for what it's worth... Keeper    76  22:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * bite me :-p, they gave away nothing. Farnsworth was an inherited commodity (from whom, I don't remember) so it's even. To Ryry, nope probably the Dodgers when his contract ends, but I'll believe that when I see it. Don't think Torre will last that long. We didn't need a third catcher. To quote a friend, it fills the need for a Rodriquez we know used steroids :o TravellingCari  22:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Like the Nady trade, this was a rip off. Farnsworthless is terrible. It's basically just a salary dump, but couldn't they dump his salary on another team? Pudge is still one of the best catchers around.  Enigma  message 22:31, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Was going to ping you but I figured you'd see it here. Once again, Keeperpedia is about to become baseballpedia. I don't get how Cashman does it, but he does. This was less one-sided than Nady, I think. Did Detroit need someone in the pen? I haven't dug around too much. Headed offline for a bit, back later. TravellingCari  22:37, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Just got back from Yanks-O's. Cheered teh loudest in teh stadium when a Giambi homer went foul.
 * Some game for Abreu, huh?
 * And i heard about pudge. No comment.  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  01:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cari, Farnsworth played for the Cubs first, I remember going to Wrigley a few times and seeing him. He's not the best reliever, sure, but pitching is still the Yankees' biggest weakness right now. Posada is out, but Molina has been playing good defense and hitting somewhat well too. It doesn't make sense for the Yanks to trade a decent pitcher for yet another old catcher who's retiring in a couple years. Glass  Cobra  02:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll say again: BYE BYE Pudge!  Get out of my league!  Have fun under the bright lights, where you'll likely "come up short of your potential".  In other words, enjoy your retirement in about two years.  Meanwhile, my boys beat the AL leaders in the first 2 out of 4 in their series...Watch out East coasters! The central will most definitely be won by my northern boys, and they will knock the SOCKS (be they red or white) off whomever gets in their way in the postseason.  Be ready.... Keeper    76  02:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Cobra, yeah I didn't realise he and Girardi had a history until YES pulled out some old footage. Explains JoeG's confidence when the rest of us were shaky. I admit it, I referred to him often as King Worthless ( and unrelated said Moose should be put to pasture ) but recently he surprised me. As you said, I'd rather have him then another old catcher/rent-a-semi-slugger. I haen't paid much attention to Pudge since he left the Rangers, but the stats I just heard on the news (~ .295, 5 HR) doesn't impress me. Just glad they didn't go for LoDuca. I think I heard Pudge goes to arbitration this year -- I don't expect to see him in pinstripes next season even if Jorge can't come back. Moeller/Molina remind me of Bob Geren, same slugging ability but if ARod would hit his weight, it would be less of an issue. The fact that Joba won't be 23 until September makes me feel _old_. Keep, I thought they of many names were the AL leaders? Tomorrow night should be a good game. Will have seen Red Sox, Mets and Angels at least in the Stadium's last year. Can't complain. TravellingCari  03:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The "Angels of wherever the hell they are from-Anaheim" are no match for the Twins. Better pitching, better (timely) hitting, better bullpen, in the Metrodome-team.  I like Torii, but he's currently underachieving.  Revisit this conversation in about 6 weeks.  The LAAALAA may very well be in first place in the AL "west" (where no other team really wants to win anyway), and the Twins will be solidly in first in the AL central (where every team wishes they were).  Twins will beat the LAALAALAAAALLLLAA's in postseason.  This of course, after, the BoSox lose to the angels, and the twins beat the whitesox.  Then, come later October, the twins will win it all, at home, against (or as morneau likely says, a-gane-st), whatever lackluster national-league team stumbles into the playoffs.  Calling it.  BTW, sorry to break the news to you TCari, but your beloveds have a slim chance to none of making it to postseason-08.  I don't care what outfielder and cathcer you sign.   Keeper    76  03:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think an outfielder, catcher or any other trade is going to solve the Yankees issue, which at its core ins consistency. This team has no lack of talent, they just don't show it. Look at Joba's stats. 4-3 with a 2.23 ERA. There's no planet in hell where someone with a 2.23 ERA should have that record. Until today, the Yankees didn't hit for beans when he pitched. And then there' the 'brainwashed' waste of money. I think the Yankees will win the East because Tampa doesn't have the stamina for the clutch and Boston has no bridge to Papelbon. Lester is wonderful, but he can't start the remaining games of the season. Yankees have a very good chance to win the AL East and /or the wildcard. On an utterly ridiculous note? Arizona 	54 	52 	.509 	- 	- 	7-3 that's good enough for first place in the NL west. What a mess. What.A.Mess TravellingCari  04:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * As far as I'm concerned, all the right trades were made. Yankees got a one-and-done (but still dangerous) catcher out of my division.  Red Sox unloaded Manny (who has always destroyed the Twins) out of the entire AL, replaced him with "In-name-only" Allstar JayBay.  Harmless.  PaleHose are the most baffling of all.  Instead of getting much needed help, they are instead gonna parade around a dinosaur for a couple of months, probably only playing him every third game, only to watch his teary-eyed Sportscenter retirement late September (after the Pales are mathematically eliminated).  Hey WhiteSox!  I hear Frank Thomas is available.  Bonds too.  And maybe old-man FARV could take a few swings for them as well, seeing as his team won't let him play football...All good news for my boys.  Keeper    76  14:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:

 * To Keeper and his stalkers:
 * I am in need of a custom wikibreak template.
 * I would like for it to state that I am at sleepaway camp in the Poconos from August 10th through the 24th, that i will have limited internet access, but that I will check in and respond to e-mails several times a week.
 * Thanks, Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  23:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Let me know if you want me to change the message/background color/image/etc. Vickser (talk) 01:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Heh. I've never heard the term "sleep away camp". If you werent' 12, I might say that's rather sexy sounding... Keeper   76  01:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Vickser, absolutely delightful! Thank you much, as my Italian mother says.
 * Keeper, you've never heard of sleepaway camp?
 * Well, I'll take being sexy over being 12 any day. Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  10:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Someone once said that youth is wasted on the young. Don't squander it - before you know it you're preparing for your 29th birthday and wondering why playing with cool toys is frowned upon at your age. Gazi moff  11:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 29th, huh? Sure. Everyone knows that anyone claiming to be turning 29 is actually at least 33. As for the other point, I'm 24 and my cool toys aren't going anywhere. Useight (talk) 14:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, check ANI. Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  11:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh, sleep away camp. See, I (and my posse of thugs) just called it "camp".  If you werent staying the night and it was a daily thing, it was "day camp".  Have fun, and poke a nose for me!   Qb  | your 2 cents  11:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Queerbubbles, I'll try. :) Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  11:23, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Try to behave
I didn't know that Minnesotians (whatever) have it in them to act like a bunch of hooligans. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 12:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What really makes me angry is that I had seats to that game, gave em up, couldn't go. Minnesotians [sic] only pretend to be Minnesota nice.  Don't piss on our baseball or hockey team though, we'll get really really violent.  And throw our hats on the field and frozen fish on the ice...  That said, anyone is perfectly allowed, and considered reasonable, if they look on our basketball or football team with disdain.  We do too, it's only fair.  Keeper    76  13:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I was offered tickets to that game too, but I decided to do my usual nerdy white-guy activities instead. Good call on my part, considering I'm one of the bad guys.-- Koji Dude  (C) 16:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Shout out to homeys in Cicero!. I used to be a sox fan.  Lived south of the southside for a bit, did a lot of work around Naperville.  Went to Old Comiskey and New Comiskey before they sold naming rights.  Ozzie is great.  I've sat, I'm pretty sure, in that exact seat over the visitor's dugout.  Those are corporate (I won't say which) season seats, passed around.  Didn't recognize him though, probably a good thing.  Whoever had the seats that day I'm sure will say "I gave them to my out-of-town cousin-in-law", or somesuch... Keeper    76  16:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

An AfD Called Horse
The duck pun AfD flew away before you could get to it, but now there is a horse pun offering in the AfD pasture:. If you have the puns, saddle up. Ecoleetage (talk) 13:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe better not to and my response to the editor two edits further on. Pedro :  Chat  14:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oopsie.  Keeper    76  14:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the article's author was a bit touchy. Actually, more than a bit touchy -- calling people "clowns and jokers" (not taking the high road on that debate).  Oddly enough, the guy has been on Wikipedia since February 2007 and has been involved with plenty of articles -- you would think by now he would know a bit on WP:RS. I think that had more to do with having his article nominated for deletion, rather than the extremely benign humour. Ecoleetage (talk) 14:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Behind every article is an author that is usually extremely proud of it. I'm all for the humor, and I think it was meant as harmless.  He gave a good reminder (to me anyway) about ust being careful.  You meant no fowl foul though, Eco.  It would be good at this point to stop kicking the horse when it's down stop the humor on that AfD.  Cheers,  Keeper    76  14:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I do agree, but the editor clearly wrote the article in good faith and I can understand that an AFD coupled with a bit of humour is probably a touch ego bruising to them - and we're not in the business of irritating good faith contributors. I saw you cross posted to his talk as well, and I think/hope we've made our ammends. I know it was not personal - you know it was not personal - I think this is just a time when if we'd all been in a room it would have been fine, but the written word didn't quite convey our light hearted intent. Pedro : Chat  14:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * All fixed, and hopefully all is well. Whether the article goes to the glue factory or back to the stable remains to be seen. Ecoleetage (talk) 14:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Question
Any comments on Prince Chunk, discussed a bit here? Frank |  talk  14:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's a big cat. Been on some talkshows.  Hmmm.  Is an animal notable for (not quite) being the guiness record holder, and acting as a placeholder on morning talk shows for slow news days?  A question for the ages.  Right now, I agree with your speedy.  I wouldn't just outright undelete it (especially based on an off-wiki discussion that can't be verified), but I would see no problem with Userfying it for whichever editor asked you to go that route.  Let me know if you need assistance with it. Also let me know if it ends up at DRV, (which you could of course take it yourself, I'm willing to bet a 42 pound white cat that it will end up userfied, "pending sources", anyway).  Cheers!  Keeper    76  14:41, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, there are sources...it's just not notable, IMO. (I am going to go ahead and userfy though; I can't see a reason not to.) Thanks! Frank  |  talk  14:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * IMHO, that cat is fuggin huge. But seriously, does the ugly dog have a wiki article?  Because if it does, then you might have a precedence(sp?) thing going in favor of the cat.  But then again, we dont go on precedence like ya do in law here on wiki, do we?   Qb  | your 2 cents  15:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We do not. Usually. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Useight (talk) 15:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

An interesting discussion
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An interesting discussion I am having with User:Chillum regarding when and when not to act as an administrator. Just thought some of you might like to drop in and participate. S. Dean Jameson 15:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * TL;DR. Does that whole thread boil down to "waaah, one of those mean admins deleted my image?" – iride  scent  20:53, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't wish to "mix it up" with you or anything Irid, but this post, and the all caps, multi-exclamation marks one you left at WT:ADMIN were a bit beyond the pale, don't you think? S. Dean Jameson 21:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think anything of the sort. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about WP:NFCC which is starting to get very irritating. It's not an arbitrary policy you can change by arguing about; it's a non-negotiable legal implication of the Berne Convention, and isn't going to change short of a UN resolution. If I remember right, even Jimbo has told you you're wrong about this one. At the very least, you need to be arguing with the WMF, whose policy on the matter is very clear. – iride  scent  21:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Please stop mischaracterizing my views. I have no problem with NFCC. I have a problem with people using their interpretation of it as a club. Additionally, if you check my Commons history, I don't do non-free images. My main concern came when FPaS threatened a block in an edit summary, if anyone reinserted the image, even though there was strong disagreement as to whether or not he was properly applying NFCC in that case. Additionally, there's never really an excuse for all caps, multi-exclamation marks. I'm not a child, and you needn't treat me like one. S. Dean Jameson 21:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This talkpage is not where this discussion is moving to. Take it elsewhere kids.   Keeper    76  21:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I started reading that twice. My eyes glazed over both times.  No offense intended of course to either SDJ or chillum, but (deep breath), that was hard to get through.  Therefore, I didn't.  What I read was definitely civil on both sides, no swear words, etc.  So bonus there... Keeper    76  20:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess "interesting" is in the eye of the beholder. Sorry for the powerdown... ;) S. Dean Jameson 21:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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Moved from userpage
You are not supposed to delete "hang-On" Chmyr (User:Chmyr).
 * Chmyr, I replied on your talkpage already. Cheers,  Keeper    76  20:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD Shenanigans?
Keeper/TPS'es, am I right to think that this sort of behavior is unusual? Never run across anything like it before, and not sure what to think of it. The nominator is adding material and references to his article based on content provided in the AfD. Jclemens (talk) 22:42, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I need to get my eyes tested - I misread the article's heading and thought it said "Christian Science Science Fiction." I was sort of expecting a "Mary Baker Eddy Goes to Mars" article, but then I read it correctly. As for your point -- be patient and soon enough all of the less-savoury of the real world inevitably permeates our digital wonderland.  I am sort of surprised no one thought of doing that earlier. Ecoleetage (talk) 23:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Your question at my talkpage...
Suitably answered there. My question to you is, why is it that whenever you come to my talkpage, I get edit conflicts trying to reply. It's like you bring them with you... Fritzpoll (talk) 00:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * For the record, I, a proud TPSer, was at FP's talkpage before Keep showed up. Just sayin' ... S. Dean Jameson 00:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

(re to Fritz, and ironically edit conflicted of course). I don't know what it is, Fritz, honest. Its like I'm running away from a kicked hive of bees. It doesn't matter where I turn, the angry bees follow :-). I wouldn't have it any other way.  More than once, I've posted on someone else's talkpage, begging to "keep the conversation here because my talkpage is crazy", only to find the TPS-ers show up there too.  Love it.  Ironically, it helps me behave, knowing that whatever I type, someone is watching.  Probably the same reason that her royal highness the Queen doesn't fart in public...   Keeper    76  00:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I propose that you start a new account and see if the TPSers work it out and follow you to the new talkpage. If so, you've got a big problem... Fritzpoll (talk) 01:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You're assuming this is my only account? How do you know that most of the TPS-ers aren't in fact me? ( Oh, god, this diff is definitely going to be used against me someday... ... Keeper    76  01:02, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...in fact, there's a possibility that I am actually you. In which case, I'm Keeper!  Keepoll    75  01:06, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow! We have a lot in common then ( besides our IPs being thousands of miles apart... ).  I'm me too!   Keeper    76  01:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe the whole "British" thing is a cover story... Fritzpoll (talk) 01:10, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * SSSSSHHHHHHSSSSHHH!!!! Keeper   76  01:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, isn't insanity fun? Fritzpoll (talk) 01:13, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

<insert maniacal laughter here> S. Dean Jameson 01:15, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, if Keeper and all the TPS's here were controlled by one puppetmaster, then, wow, that guy has an extraordinary amount of time on his hands. Useight (talk) 01:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keeper   76  01:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This is true. I have 2000+ edits in the last three months alone. Wouldn't that be really great, though? S. Dean Jameson 01:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No wonder he gets no article work done. On a serious note, keep, thanks for your help at the FAC today. Fritzpoll (talk) 01:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No article work! Huff.  Actually, that would hurt if it weren't so true.... Keeper    76  01:20, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I demand a checkuser on Keeper! Hey, didn't someone get their RfA torpedoed for posting too much here? Oh shit... S. Dean Jameson 01:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There have been several editors that have gotten "torpedoed" for overposting on usertalkpages. The latest fad is the "myspace oppose"... The only reason I keep responding is because I'm done with RfA.  Heh.   Keeper    76  01:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I just checked into it, Keeper has edited this page 1986 times. Useight (talk) 01:26, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Quick! Merge the history or your talkpage with Mother Theresa or Buddha or some other holy page, so that it will look like I've spent 70+ edits improving myself spiritually, instead of ... well ... not. S. Dean Jameson 01:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hell, we could even merge the history with Tanya Harding for all I care. Better to be obsessed with white trash figure skaters than too Myspacey, right? S. Dean Jameson 01:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If we could delete the page, it would be like this never happened...Fritzpoll (talk) 01:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I think that Keeper once stated that his talkpage is now undeletable, though, thanks in no small part to obsessives like me. S. Dean Jameson 01:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's undeletable. Keeper, the devs obviously love you so much, they won't let you leave, even if you want to. J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  01:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a way round that 5000 edit limit... – iride  scent  01:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

You're being talked about
Just in case Xander forgets to notify you. S. Dean Jameson 03:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, SDJ. I figured it would be ANI, considering the user in question, WQA surprised me.  I refuse to comment there.  I went to his talkpage offering to help him and he did nothing short of attacking me.  All done.  I won't be posting on Xander's talkpage again, or the WQA, or wherever he fruitlessly decides to argue his case (because he doesn't have one).  Keeper    76  03:20, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He probably felt like (and I'm just guessing) that WQA might at least get someone to slap you on the wrist and say, "Keeper stop cussing at Xander" or something. An AN/I about this "incident" would have been a laughingstock. S. Dean Jameson 03:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I went to his talkpage, unsolicited, to say that I thought he was being wronged. I asked him to reply to me, and to let me help him get his rights back.  He accused me of a number of things in reponse.  I said fuck off and I'm done trying to help.  If that means I get a WQA report, so be it.  I still say Fuck off.  I haven't once used any admin tools against (or ironically for this user, I was offering to give him back rollback).  Good luck with the WQA report Xander.  I still say Fuck off.  All you had to do is respond to my post with some sort of explanation (or even apology (gasp! have you ever done that, ever????), and we'd all be on our way.  Instead, fuck off.   Keeper    76  03:27, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Some people just seem to find it infinitely difficult to admit when they're wrong. Wikilawyering is not the way, when one could just say "yeah, I fucked up, I shouldn't have used rollback there. I can has back plz?" and be done with it. I'm going to try and steer clear from these folks from now on - too much wasted wikibreath, all for naught. – xeno  ( talk ) 03:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I know you are an admin, But get ready to go through what I have been going through for about a week now. Including him now following me everywhere. I hope he has now began to open more peoples eyes as to how he gets. In fact here he is talking to the admins that did not agree with him and told him about his attitude he says,  ""There's no use in arguing with the ignorant. You believe your title makes you infallible so there's nothing I could say or do to change that"". I tried to be patient with him. And thru every attack I remained calm and just went to the 100 things he started about me to defend myself. But I totally understand why you said what you said to him. He just never seems to stop once you get on his radar if you dont 100% agree with him. I wish you luck. Happy editing Swampfire (talk) 03:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Swampfire, I'm not even remotely interested in getting involved in your content dispute with Xander. I'm too pissed to be objective.  I don't care if you are right, or if he is right, or if the unicorn that flies around my head is right. I'm not getting involved.  Posting here on my talkpage, while likely in good faith, is only going to add fuel to Xander's fire.  I wish you and I had met under better circumstances, but for the moment, I sincerely ask you not to post to my talkpage regarding this issue again.  If it's about any other issue, I'm an admin, and I'd be more than happy to offer you either an opinion or solution to any problem you are having as a Wikpedian.  Cheers, and thank you for understanding,  Keeper    76  04:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

A formal warning
Don't bother trying to help people who refuse to help themselves. – xeno  ( talk ) 03:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh. If the paycheck were better, I might actually reply at the WQA, or at his talkpage.  Life's too short, I actually have a life (he said as he typed this at 10:47 pm on a friday...)   Keeper    76  03:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You like war shows at all? There's a sweet HBO miniseries called Generation Kill I was watching today. Highly reccomended. – xeno  ( talk ) 03:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Damn. I don't have HBO. I'll hafta rely on the wikilink for my info.   Keeper    76  03:54, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well.......buy it! – xeno  ( talk ) 03:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Or steal it! J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  04:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Dammit, J.del, you know very well I can't see U-tube from my PC... Bastard. ! Keeper    76  04:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Try doing what the real vandals do to evade blocks. J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  04:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Heads up
—Giggy 06:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. You silly FAC people.  I just can't seem to figure y'all out.  :-)  Thanks DHMO --  Keeper    76  13:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Technically I'm a silly GA person... the FA people are much worse (ducks). —Giggy 13:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Gene Bruno AfD
Thank you for getting rid of those numbers. For future reference, is it easier to get them out of the history if I had not first removed some from the current version? - Eldereft (cont.) 08:02, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's easier to get them out of the history if a competent admin is the one trying to get them out of the history :-). My mind was elsewhere is all, glad I could (eventually) help. Cheers,  Keeper    76  13:55, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Peer Review Request
Hey Keeper (long time, no talk), I currently have the article The Great American Bash (2005) up for Peer review, here. I come to you in hopes of you reviewing the article, as I'm aiming to get this article prepared for Featured Article status. I would really appreciate if you would take some time and review this article to the best of your abilities. Cheers, -- iMa tth ew  T.C. 13:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Floating a new idea
In most (all?) sports events there are referees/umpires/whatever who make on the spot decisions about what's happening on the field of play. But they don't have the authority to sanction any player beyond the context of that match, that's down to the governing bodies.

Why should wikipedia referees (aka administrators) also be judge and jury? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * <sticks head tentatively in lion's mouth> Because somebody has to do it? S. Dean Jameson 02:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Why do I think this is a trap? What the hell are you getting at?  Who pissed you off now?   Keeper    76  02:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No trap, just reflecting on past experiences. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Malleus, I think you're guilty (once again) of trying to apply logic to Wikipedia. Wasn't your analogy something to do with a wall, hammer-n-nail, and some jelly?  Of course the judges aren't the juries, prosecutors, arresting officers, and bailbondsmen.  In the real world.  What part of Wikipedia had you convinced that it had anything to do with the real world?  This is Lord of the Flies, part two.   Keeper    76  14:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Keeper
Chill, my man. I've seen how X's talk page thing unfolded, and I actually think you're right, but nothing good is going to come from your latest. My free, unsolicited advice is: delete your last post, with an edit summary of "sorry, bad mood" or something harmless, and then dewatchlist his talk page. --barneca (talk) 02:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't say I blame him. I've been in a number of these exchanges over the last week and they can be quite...tiring. – xeno  ( talk ) 02:55, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I don't blame him at all, my turn to lose my temper will be next week. I'm just saying, there's no good Karma in that, and the Universe isn't being improved. --barneca (talk) 02:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I looked at that a few days ago, when his name popped up on some page I watchlist. Such a huge fuss about Rollback? I use it from time to time, but it's really not that big a deal to have it, or to not have it. S. Dean Jameson 03:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * My mood is much better this morning. My mood was actually pretty good last night, at least for a little while. However, I won't be removing anything from his talkpage, he's welcome to remove whatever he wants from his own talkpage.  The irony of course, if I've gathered any insight into his online personality, is that whatever I do (or don't do) will only fuel his "righteous indignation".  Everyone else is wrong, not him.  If I remove something, I'm obviously "trying to cover my tracks".  If I never return to his talkpage to remove something, I'm obviously "refusing to apologize".  Meh, life's too short, it's like trying to win an argument with a Sicilian. I said I was "all done" with him (and used some expensive "choice-cut" words, sobeit, they were on sale), and I meant it.  I will not post/remove anything here, there, or anywhere else he decides to shop this silliness around.  Looking forward to next week, barn.  Do you know yet where you plan to blow up?  I'd like to watchlist it.  Keeper    76  14:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The only time I've felt compelled to say "fuck off" to someone was via email, and they promptly complained about me at ANI, and it basically sank my first RFA (reason #5643, I can hear you saying already, not to do email). To be clear, I understand the frustration; I've extended a hand to help someone before, only to have it bitten, and it is orders of magnitude more insulting than some garden variety vandal saying "Keeper sucks".  In fact, that's basically what happened to me when I said it.  If you had left out the "fuck" last night which, truth be told, and in spite of everyone else here, I think was probably an understandable mistake, I wouldn't even have mentioned it; I was just trying to save you the headache that my experience told me might be waiting for you.  I'm quite glad to see I was wrong, and the WQA seems to be fizzling;  depending on the alignment of the planets, it could also have transformed into a drama-infested bickerfest on ANI.


 * I haven't decided yet where to blow up next week, so I can't give you a heads up. I'll ping your talk page when it happens, and try to give you enough advance notice so you can at least microwave some popcorn first. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm wasting my precious Saturday on Wikipedia, so I'm off to cut some grass (actually, Wikipedia sounds much better). --barneca (talk) 14:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Confuzzled
You mean the board game references? :-) Come on, everybody remembers Clue. There's some 1920's movie you're alluding to, isn't there?-- Koji Dude  (C) 14:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, everyone in the US remembers Clue; the remaining 95.5% of the world remembers Cluedo. Globalize/USA... – iride  scent  15:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The board game reference was an afterthought. Please, if you haven't yet, go watch one of the best Steve Martin movies of all time.  And no, it's not from the 20s, although the 70s were just as swingin'.  Keeper    76  15:15, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I think I'll rent it from Netflix. I'll put it on my to-do-list. Right after I kill the rat that's running around in my basement closet... I wish that was a joke. :-| -- Koji Dude  (C) 15:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * From experience, sonic rat-repellers work a treat, and don't lead to nasty "poisoned rat choosing to die behind a skirting board where I can't reach it and stinking the room out for two weeks" situations. – iride  scent  15:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've yet to see a rat get "behind the boards" wearing one of these.  Keeper    76  15:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My god Magnum, what is that? It looks like a demented bear-trap! O_o Know where I could pick one of those up?-- Koji Dude  (C) 15:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Any walmart south of the mason-dixon.  Keeper    76  15:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

As a baseball fan you'll love this....
Cora Rizzuto just threw out the first Old Timer's Day pitch to Derek Jeter. Wrong team and all, but it's better than WQA drama. TravellingCari 19:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw :)
 * Cari: I was at Yanks-Os on July 30th: what are the odds that out of 4 sox fans in the park, 2 i meet on the train and the other is next to me?  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  19:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there were more than four Sox fans at the stadium, there are always a large amount. As you know, it's not a far drive and there are resident Sox fans in NY. Was this your first game? I thought about going today but in the end didn't. May go in September. TravellingCari  20:39, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope. 4th, 3rd at the stadium.  Went in 2004, Fenway in 2005 (dont ask), Yankee in 2007 and 2008.  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  21:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I was at a baseball game recently too. See this edit. :P -- RyRy  ( talk ) 22:06, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice, haven't been to Fenway yet. It's on my list. I've seen far and away the most at Yankee Stadium but also been to Shea, Sky Dome, Dodger Stadium, Camden Yards and whatever the name of what used to be Joe Robbie Stadium was in 2004. TravellingCari  23:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe, thanks. But didn't you also go to Minute Maid?  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  00:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, but I have been to 'tho not seen a game at the Astrodome, which I forgot. TravellingCari  05:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fenway's old. And the new Yankee Stadium needs cupholders.  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  11:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

&larr;"And the new Yankee Stadium needs cupholders" – that single sentence so perfectly sums up the unbridgeable difference between America and Everywhere Else. I remember the howls of protest when the government enforced these newfangled inventions called seats on my team's ground; I suspect if they tried to install armrests, let alone cupholders, the fans would (rightly) boycott the place in disgust. – iride  scent  14:32, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Iri, I think the vast majority of baseball fans would agree with you, it's not a movie theatre or a restaurant, it doesn't need cup holders, or wait service which some are seeming to introduce. I think some of the food offerings are abyssmal -- lobster rolls] and [[sushi, while delicious, don't belong at baseball games. That and I had a good laugh (bad and impolite but it was true) at a woman in front of me who complained she couldn't fit in her seat and then proceded to consume two orders of chicken tenders, two foot-long hot dogs, cotton candy (You have another name for it, can't remember what it is), a large order of cheese fries and a bucket, yes a BUCKET of popcorn. I almost puked. Sam, Fenway being old is a good thing -- in the past 10-15 years they've gutted baseball history with the new stadiums. Ask your parents about Municipal Stadium (Cleveland), Tiger Stadium, Memorial Stadium (Baltimore), etc. New is not always good. Often not good, actually, other than for revenue. TravellingCari  15:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We call it Candy Floss. On the baseball theme though, sometimes I get the urge to travel to the states just to see a game and prove to myself that it does exist and that it's not as painful to watch as cricket. I still enjoy watching rugby though, although I don't get to see games much these days.  Gazi moff  15:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Or compare this and this to this monstrosity and this soulless box, respectively. The drive to "entertainment" is sports is missing the point; you're there to watch the match good or bad, not for entermainment. – iride  scent  17:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Gaz, thanks. I remembered the name at the gym, odd timing. Personally I find it vile, no matter what name it's given. As someone who spent time in Australia and was subjected to cricket obsessiveness, I can testify that baseball is more interesting. Whether showboating, and what not is a good thing is debatable, but there's a lot more passion, fan involvement and excitement. There's more personalization then in cricket where I found it to be a lot about the tradition and propriety. It's not the best comparison, but it's like the U.S. Open v. Wimbledon. Tradition is good, but not always exciting. Also, I don't understand cricket, but thats another story. Iri, I think the worst with that is the name carryover, which irls me to some extent about Yankee Stadium as well. The new cannot compare to the history and tradition of the old. It's not the same. Then again, I'm glad that the Yankees didn't sell out for corporate naming rights, because those lose all team connection. Comerica Park, Minute Maid Park, Qualcomm Stadium, Monster.com Ballpark... You shouldn't have to look it up to know who plays where. While Fenway, Wrigley, Candlestick Park and Keeper's belowed Metrodome are some exceotions to the name connection, they're inextricably (sp?) linked to the teams. Enron Field taught us all a lesson I hope.  TravellingCari  17:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Go away, Iridescent. Go away to somwhere they're talking about football and gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooals :p  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  15:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks
— CycloneNimrod Talk? 15:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

My thanks

 * Sweet. Glad I could help!   Keeper    76  15:05, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

This has probably been asked before
But did you intend for the vn tag on the Keeper instructions to place your talk page under an article category? we could replace it with:

In order to get: What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Protonk (talk • contribs) 03:28, 3 August 2008
 * I don't know about Keeper, but I think that the inclusion of this page in that category is very appropriate. :-) J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  03:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think he likes it this way, and seeing as the category is so (eternally) backlogged, it shouldn't really cause too much disturbance - imo. – xeno  ( talk ) 03:41, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Xeno's right, based on the level of ridiculousness of discussion on this page, I think that having the vn tag is more than appropriate. I'd like to keep it, as was discussed here.  Once my page is the very last one with a missing citation or dubious fact, I'll find a source for the statement or remove it.  Cheers,  Keeper    76  14:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Allow me to clarify, now that I realize that Protonk's solution above would actually retain the vn tag. I really want to be in the category as well.  I find it rather humorous when I see it at the bottom of each new thread starting here.   Keeper    76  15:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank You
Keeper,

I just wanted to say thank you for the help Henry Conway, which is currently enjoying it's Do You Know? moment in the sun. I've moved on to drafting my next project, which may end with a plea for an extra set of NPOV eyes in the not too distant future. (As always, you should feel 100% free to say no.) Thank you again for all the help! Vickser (talk) 03:59, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Dang! I missed it!  Congrats to you anyway, nice looking article.  My talkpage is always open if you need help with anything (I can't promise I'll be the one to help, but it is what it is...)   Keeper    76  14:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

you = guinea pig
I've sectioned out the admin dashboard and modified yours to use the sectional transclusions in the order you like. Let me know if you experience any issues. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Dashboard looks good, especially in the "edit this page" window. Xeno is a tempalte genius.  Seems to work fine, and much much easier to "rearrange" the order of the different admin tools. Genius.  Keeper    76  14:47, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * cool, glad you like it. do let me know if any issues arise. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't I always? :-) Keeper    76  14:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * well, yes, except when you're trying to make bold changes to show me up =)... p.s. the adminhelp cat is still there, the row is just hidden until someone turns the bat signal on. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sweet. I must say, I'm pretty impressed with my change.  Who'da thunk Keeper could update a template?  Not Keeper!   Keeper    76  14:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, it was kindof surprising to me also. I also saw you got an award for copyediting... in the mainspace?! wtf were you thinking, wandering outside your assigned zone? ;> – xeno  ( talk ) 13:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Would someone take a look at this?
User:Abd has now said he's going to start an RfC, based on the fact that he claims I've harassed Ottava Rima. Good lord, will this madness never end? His comments can be found here, and in a huge "essay" he wrote on his talkpage. As I've forsworn communicating with him further, I'm handing this off to faithful TPSers, and the Keepman himself. S. Dean Jameson 21:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm a little tired of arguing at length needlessly with no real end in sight... If I were you, I'd just steer clear of the whole situation entirely. My new motto, taken from a great man, nay, the greatest man is "Can't someone else do it?" – xeno  ( talk ) 21:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Obviously I don't speak for any of the other TPSers, but I don't see anything that can be done about this here. I wouldn't worry about an RfC, especially if you're confident it's baseless - "Requests for comment (RfC) is an informal, lightweight process for requesting outside input, consensus building, and dispute resolution, with respect to article content, user conduct, and Wikipedia policy and guidelines." While I disagree with the "lightweight" part of that description, it's not some sort of Spanish Inquisition and unless there's something crazy, almost never results in binding resolutions. I'd say you're best off just ignoring his baiting. Tan      39  21:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If this is what you mean, I don't see him threatening to take any action against you at all – and he's absolutely right that people are acting like Wilhelmina Will is banned, when she isn't (her ban from DYK was invalid, since no-one bothered to inform her). FWIW, as I say on ANI I've crossed paths with her occasionally and have always found her to be a perfectly good faith user who, whilst her enthusiasm sometimes gets the better of her, always stops doing whatever's causing the problem once it's been pointed out to her what's been done wrong. – iride  scent  21:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's pretty clear that Abd intends to take action against S. Dean, per the post he linked to above. Tan      39  21:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You beat me to it. This Rima issue has been distracting me periodically for the last week. I know I shouldn't let it, but when these two people (Rima and Abd) keep flinging around accusations against me, it's hard not to let it get to me. S. Dean Jameson 21:51, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Honestly...I've made my peace with him generally but he has a pretty bad habit of taking it upon himself to be a prosecutor of some sort. Iridescent is right to say that if you've done nothing wrong the answer is to refuse to dignify the request, but he's not likely to stop. If he decides to do it, he'll build some tl;dr case from 6 months of diffs (probably on a subpage, though he might have learned his lesson about that) and drama will ensue at the very least. Protonk (talk) 21:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The main thing I'm concerned about is that this will become some kind of black mark on my generally good name here on the project. I work pretty hard to be a good contributor, and I'd hate for this nonsense to blow up into something that looks bad (as can happen with a tl;dr thing) but is actually "no smoke, no fire, all bluster." S. Dean Jameson 21:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, didn't see that second bullet point. SDJ, don't worry about it, all RFC's do is give the people who don't like you a chance to get it off their chest and "test the water" on who the Great God Consensus thinks it in the right. No-one's going to boot you off Wikipedia for it; even industrial-grade flamewars like this didn't result in any action being taken against anyone. The only processes that actually result in anything being done about anything are RFAR (which may as well be replaced by a random number generator in terms of the consistency of their recent rulings) and posting to WR (which will attract some attention you don't need). – iride  scent  21:55, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "industrial-grade flamewars". I lolled. Tan      39  21:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I confidently predict that Requests for comment/Elonka will outdo that in terms of random bitching, ad hominem attacks and "I don't like User:xxxxx" statements that have nothing to do with the situation under discussion, by the time it closes. The talkpage is a fascinating glimpse into the tumour currently infesting Wikipedia's hivemind. – iride  scent  22:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I've looked back through every one of my contributions with regards to both Abd and Ottava Rima. There's nothing there. Would I be more well-advised to simply ignore any disruptive RFC/U that he opens against me, or participate vigorously in defending my name here? I am leaning more toward just ignoring it, as of now. S. Dean Jameson 22:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just ignore it and move on. It ain't worth the bother. Ecoleetage (talk) 22:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ignore it. RFC is a chance for people who don't like you to whine about you and blow off steam, not a process to be taken seriously. You'd get a far better (and more credible) response posting to Giano's talkpage. – iride  scent  22:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Giano? Why him? Or am I missing something? S. Dean Jameson 22:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * User talk:Giano II is one of the traditional places people who KNOW THE TRUTH and want to shout about it to any passing stranger, but haven't quite worked out how to set up a WR or ED account go to; the other traditional ones are Talk:Simon Wessely, WT:RFA, User talk:Jimbo Wales and WP:WQA. Huggle/Feedback is starting to attract them, too. –  iride  scent  22:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Absolutely right. If they want to start an RFC, let them and ignore it. Who cares? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:17, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd highly recommend just uninvolving yourself as much as humanly possible from the situation. I saw the drama initially unfold over at DYK, and, while WW was probably plagiarizing, Blechnic wasn't exactly being the epitome of civility in the way he phrased his concerns.  WW also by and large just wasn't responding to the concerns, which made it difficult to judge what was going on.  Then when it moved to the AN/I stuff, all the drama that happened with OR, who had apparently been involved in all sorts of other drama, and Blechnic seemed to have been involved in other drama.  In short, it just seems to me like a mess, with no one acting perfectly, everyone being provoked, and one of the central parties just not being responsive.
 * I know you sort of got involved by trying to help, but seriously, just do your best to extricate yourself. While one side of all this is going to end up being more right, there's really as far as I can see no side you want to be on because no one's behaved perfectly.  To quote the keeper rules, save the drama for your mama, get yourself out of the mess, and focus on something else.  We're here to write an encyclopedia, not to wikistress. Vickser (talk) 22:17, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the input, guys. I did (as Vickser said) get involved while "trying to help." OR said that a certain thing Blechnic said to WW was uncivil, when it clearly was not (I don't know if he'd been uncivil before that, but the statement I saw and OR complained about, was clearly not uncivil), and I just pointed that out. OR then took it to WQA, it spread like a disease to talkpages, ANI, and well, here we are. Anyway, I'm just ignoring anything Abd posts from this point on, and going about my business here. Thanks again for the input. S. Dean Jameson 22:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This is driving me nuts. Now he's stated on again on ANI that I "attacked" Rima on his talkpage. I did nothing of the sort. Isn't there some way to make him stop lying about me? S. Dean Jameson 22:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In a word, no. Ignore it, move on. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:30, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Seriously, ignore them and they go away. If you ever pass an RFA, expect something like this at least once a week. It's part of the package you sign up for when you agree to do unpaid volunteer work for a project that's a spin-off from a poor-quality porn site and whose middle management contains a disproportionate mix of students and children. – iride  scent  22:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL. Thanks for that. I really needed the chuckle... S. Dean Jameson 22:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant spin-off from the above – while testing the link I followed through to Bomis itself. I'd forgotten just how bad it is – this is fairly representative. I'm sure The Kid In Africa is delighted. – iride  scent  22:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the consensus here is to ignore it SDJ.  Keeper    76  14:41, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

while I have a captive audience
Can someone test this script:

importScript('User:Xenocidic/statusChanger2.js');

a new user was trying to use it, but having no luck, I want to know if it's the script or the user. – xeno  ( talk ) 22:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Talk page stalkers get lazier and lazier.... – xeno  ( talk ) 13:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd do it fer ya... but i dunno what it is. So I think that precludes me...  Qb  | your 2 cents  13:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Give me 5 mins, xeno, and I'll let you know the result Fritzpoll (talk) 13:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks fritzy... qb, it's a monobook addition =) Adds "online/busy/around/offline" options to the top of your screen. For use with nifty myspacey elements like Statustop. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I got a D in C++.  I could code ok, but the professor didnt test on coding.  He tested on random crap like what 68 was in hexedecimal.  Right, of course, because that comes up in everyday CS.  I got discouraged and changed my major.   Qb  | your 2 cents  13:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If I'm meant to get a shiny set of buttons saying online/busy/around/offline, that works, and clicking them changes/creates a new subpage. Not sure what I'd do with it though, as it displays nowhere else - guessing transclusion?.  Fritzpoll (talk) 13:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * They're picked up by stuff like the WP:HAU project status indicators and my Statustop display... And yep, looks like user or browser error rather than script error. cheers mate, appreciate it. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem - looks like a neat template. I may use it Fritzpoll (talk) 13:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * <Montgomery Burns voice>excellent... – xeno  ( talk ) 13:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Reference requested
Meta is asking for some trusted users to give me a reference at Request_for_an_account_on_the_Foundation_wiki could you help out here and show I'm not actually Grawp? :)

Matt
 * commented there. You owe me 20 bucks.  (just kidding).   Keeper    76  19:43, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thks! :)  MBisanz  talk 19:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

You have new messages
Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work 20:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm a watchlister, I already replied before I saw this here. No need to use talkback with me in the future.  Cheers,  Keeper    76  20:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
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Thank you very much for the barnstar! Much appreciated!! --NYScholar (talk) 20:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Many thanks!
In all seriousness though, I'm incredibly grateful for your support and encouragement. Here's hoping it only gets better from here!  Gazi moff  21:03, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Good Morning!
It's enough to make one stop closing AfDs. :-) Tan      39  14:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * i feel your pain, brother. Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  14:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The sun. Remind me what that is again would you .... Pedro :  Chat  14:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to get off topic (or on topic), but I *coughcoughopenedcoughcoughmfdcoughcoughcanvasscoughcough*. Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  14:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Seeing as I live in Phoenix, Arizona, Pedro, it's too bad we can't work out some sort of compromise. Tan      39  15:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Trade some sun for some of our lovely water? Honest - it's really nice - fresh from Drownedtown, Waterland. Pedro : Chat  15:04, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

<--(re to tan). DRV is no fun, let him take it there, and I would say don't even post there. You didn't close the debate as delete, you closed it to be inline with the other two. How dare you!!! It ain't deleted, it's gonna get merged. It ain't your job to merge (some closers do it, I find it rather silly to presume that I would know enough about a subject to merge two articles -- if I knew that much about the subject I wouldn't be closing the AFD in the first place, I'd be votin' keep/delete.) You explained yourself to him well, don't worry about it, and don't do what I just did, which means don't get yerself listed over at wqa. Let him bitch about it for a while, your close was just fine. Keeper   76  15:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Dandelion chip
If you look at my contribs the last while, you'll see that I have done several expansions of mini-articles, including Stalking horse offer, and a couple of others. There's really no need to get chippy in the edit summaries when a PROD is removed. It wasn't an attack on either the article or the creator of it. It allows five days for the person to establish notability and contest the PROD. I'm not sure why you got so short in your summary, when PROD-ing a short new article is much better than CSD-ing it. See American Assembly (I can't, because it was deleted so quickly) for what I'm talking about. I was researching it, to see what I could do for it, went back, and -- poof! -- it was gone. There are some problem editors at NPP now, Keep, but I don't feel like I'm one of them. S. Dean Jameson 17:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * SDJ, you csd'ed it first, my edit summary was meant for that. The prod was equally unnecessary, but a good "self-fix".  I don't consider you a "problem" at NPP by any means, I simply decided to "contest the prod" as well.  For that particular article to get deleted at this point will take an AFD.  Sorry if I sounded snippy, it wasn't my intention.   Keeper    76  17:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I looked into the "American Assembly" one too. It seems it was first tagged for speedy as a copyvio, it was quickly recreated by the same editor (who, coincidentally, is also named "Americanassembly"), and was speedy deleted again (tagged as A7, but I'm pretty sure it was still a G12).  Anyway, if you come up with a draft of American Assembly, I'll help it stay not-deleted as pennance for my chippiness :-)  Deal?   Keeper    76  17:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No need for "penance", I was just confused as to why you appeared a bit upset about it. Could you place the text they had at that article here, and I'll see what I can do with it? I'll blank it for speedy deletion in my userspace if nothing comes of it. Certainly, a user named "Americanassembly" shouldn't be creating that page, though. S. Dean Jameson 17:31, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't put the text in your userspace, it was copyright infringing according to CorenSearchBot. There really wasn't much there anyway.   Keeper    76  17:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you at least copy the link it was a copyvio of to the redlink I provided? That would give me a good place to start, perhaps. S. Dean Jameson 17:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I found the likely source of the copyvio, and pasted the link into that page. S. Dean Jameson 17:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Can you feel the love tonight..." Tan      39  17:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Why the pipe link? Can't you just link the song?. :-0 Keeper    76  18:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But pipes are fun, like a carnival... S. Dean Jameson 20:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Dude, I can't go to a carnival. It reminds me of Carla! Remove the "niv" and switch the "l" and the "a" and you got "Carla"! Glass  Cobra  21:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What a great show. I miss Scrubs... Keeper    76  21:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

R.P. McMurphy
Sorta, kinda, yeah. Just waiting for the thunder to come down. Then, maybe, some sangria in the park. --Endless Dan 18:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Join My Cabal!
Hello, I have just a started a cabal. I inviting you to join the cabal and please, visit the page, join if you like, and invite more people(also I have a bunch of bootleg German tickets that come with every thing I do! I love bootleg tickets!(dont tell 5-0). Gears of War  2 21:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing personal, but I'm not now or ever will be interested in joining any cabals. I'm an honorary member of one because I accidentally "thought of it" and another user created it, but beyond that, you won't see it.  Ironic I know.   Keeper    76  21:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol it's cool. I kinda knew you wouldnt join. Probably no admins will join. Gears of War  2 21:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Cabals (and guestbooks, etc for that matter) are old school fun. Frowned on in general.  Seems they go in waves really.  There will be hundreds of them, and wikipedia editors (you know, the ones that actually add/improve the articles) eventually get to the point where they scream "ENOUGH!!" and MFD the lot of them.  That happened most recently around April of this year I think.  And so the guestbooks/secretpages/cabals/award centers go underground for a bit, and then they slowly start to resurface.  You see them first in signatures....then advertised on highly trafficked pages...then they multiple similar to throwing water on a Mogwai.  And then, someone feeds the Mogwai "after midnight, and you've a nightmare of a gremlin on your hands.  I recommend getting rid of the Mogwai before it gets out of control.  I'll use this diff some day in the not-too-distant future as an "I told you so" if you don't believe me now... Keeper    76  21:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So in other words, get and admin to delete the cabal? Or just be careful? Gears of War  2 21:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My personal opinion is to get rid of the Mogwai before it gets ugly. Sorry to spoil the fun, I'm really not a this much of a downer IRL, just a realist.  Eventually, someone will come along and slap an ugly WP:MFD tag on it, and Wikipedians will flame your "cabal" out of existence anyway.  Save yourself the grief of thinking you'll be able to "save it".  You won't.  There is a handy little template that you can add to it if you just want to pretend it never happened.  Your choice, free world and all.  It's likely you won't get many "members" anyway... Keeper    76  21:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe a GA/FA task force within the one true VG cabal would be more appropriate. – xeno  ( talk ) 21:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Brilliant idea, will you help me create the task force? Gears of War  2 21:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You should probably ask if there's interest in such a task force first. – xeno  ( talk ) 21:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Might be worth asking Giggy, Masem or David Fuchs too, as they seem to be the most adept at churning them out.  Gazi moff  21:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. Gears of War  2 21:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Huh?

 * . Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  22:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll return the question: Huh?  Are you saying that was me that posted that?  I didn't.  The IP resolves to Ontario.  I've never been to Ontario (at least, not since I was a really little kid).  What are you asking about?  And do you see the irony (based on that post) in posting here about that post?  Keeper    76  22:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Jumping in, but just to pre-empt anyone playing supersleuth and trying to work out who they know in Ontario, that's an IP of a Research In Motion server and just means it was sent from a BlackBerry somewhere in North America. – iride  scent  23:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Good things groOoOow in Ontario! – xeno  ( talk ) 23:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeps. i think the European ones come out of Slough.  Gazi moff  23:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No suprise there then! Mind you, my Blackberry is running opera mini and the IP for that is blocked.... bitch...moan..etc. etc. Pedro :  Chat  23:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In this age of mobile service, geolocation is increasingly meaningless. (Irrespective of which country I'm in, my edits show as coming from "Carphone Warehouse, London".) – iride  scent  23:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that IP is probably someone who doesn't like you. :-) Which of course rules Keeper out automatically!-- Koji Dude  (C) 23:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I mean, it seems like someone who knows me. but what did I do wrong?  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  23:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That message had me plenty confused as well. Where have you been talking about being banned? – xeno  ( talk ) 00:52, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I sent Metros an e-mail, and he got pissed at me for sending it, and I asked him to to block me. And he got more pissed.  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  00:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You asked him to block you? I have to fight the bastards off. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Shapiros, why would you ask to be blocked? Oh, and may we have a link to where you said that (I think I know where it is)? -- RyRy   Public  ( talk ) 01:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

<--Oh shit not to block me. Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work 01:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Forgive me if I seem a little old-fashioned, but I have the impression that you are a youngster Shapiros10, and I don't like to see words like "shit" coming from youngsters. I may on the other hand be completely mistaken, and you are the chief executive officer in a major New York law firm. In which case I apologise for my presumption. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sam, you are taking this stuff waaaaaaay too seriously. Chill out, kiddo.  Here, watch this and take your mind off Wikipedia (provided your mind doesn't explode during viewing): . Ecoleetage (talk) 01:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

To see where I "got pissed" at Shapiros see here and here. Also, to clear up a question that Xenocidic posted up further, Shapiros also begged not to be blocked here a day ago. Metros (talk) 01:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

WOw didn't know you could edit from a Blackberry, then again I have the technical savvy of a flea, I'm lucky I can check e-mail on the thing. Sam, ignore it. I tend to hold in less regard comments from people who seem too chicken to log in. No other contribs from the IP so not like it's an active IP editor who knows you. Though they did ~ sign it so maybe they got logged out accidentally? That said re: the links above from Metros, don't panic. If you do something block-worthy, you'll get blocked. Not likely to happen for asking questions. TravellingCari 02:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay.
 * Malleus I am a youngster. But I swear.  You can e-mail my parents (who i still live with but not giving out my exact age) if that's a problem.
 * Eco, I jyst felt threatened.
 * Metros, the disciplined button was a joke. And I apologize for assuming you.  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  12:17, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sam, there is no reason to feel threatened. And if you ever feel the need for safety, just dress up in 18th century English peasant clothing, find a dwarf dressed like a jester, and go running through an open field...sort of like this guy: .  Ecoleetage (talk) 12:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Could someone look at this tag removal
I tagged this article for references, and the creator is continuing to revert the tagging. It has only one reference. Am I wrong here? Can one source be enough for such a lengthy article? S. Dean Jameson 02:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah, that tag is incorrect even if there is one reference, as it specifically states the article has no references. Lemme look up that "needs more" template... Tan      39  02:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Unreferenced is for articles that are unreferenced. You want refimprove, which means you don't think the existing references are sufficient. The other user was right to remove it. – iride  scent  02:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Irid beat me. Use either or  instead.  Tan      39  02:35, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, my bad. I have used refimprove in the past, and I thought that was the one I was using.   S. Dean Jameson 02:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Possible DYK of Randy Ruiz
Hey there Keeper. I think Randy Ruiz is ready for nomination. I believe I've made a five-fold expansion like you asked. I expanded it from this, to its current state. I just have need to think of an interesting hook for it now. Any comments or suggestions? -- RyRy  ( talk ) 16:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've done a run through on it again - wow! Excellent work overall RyRy!  I had no idea where to find info on his minor league stats and "issues", good sleuthing!  The major league part is a bit of a stretch, and I knew it would be (he's only played in two games, how much can be said about him? :-), but you did a nice job.  I cut down some of the repetitiveness (seemed to be too fluffy).  I think it still has expanding significantly enough to try a DYK nom.  What about a hook like:  ....Minnesota Twins player Randy Ruiz spent 8 (or was it 9?) seasons in the minor leagues (maybe bluelink that) with 7 (or was it 8?) teams before being called up to play his first major league (bluelink that as well?) game at age 30?   Keeper    76  17:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Keeper. :) It took me a few hours to expand it properly. That hook does sound good, but I was thinking of a hook like "... that in the 2008 baseball season, from June 22 to July 19, Randy Ruiz hit in 24 consecutive games, a hitting streak that was the longest by a Rochester Red Wing player since 1979, when the team began keeping daily statistics for individual players?" What do you think? I can always put them both up for nomination and let the reviewing editor decide which sounds best and more interesting. -- RyRy  ( talk ) 17:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yours is too long at 252 characters RyRy. The maximum is 200, including spaces. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 17:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ... actually Keeper's is too long as well, at 233 characters. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 17:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know that. I review hooks all the time. :) I just never counted our hooks here. How about "... that in the 2008 baseball season, from June 22 to July 19, Randy Ruiz hit in 24 consecutive games, a hitting streak that was the longest by a Rochester Red Wing player since 1979?" I counted 181 characters. -- RyRy  ( talk ) 17:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I like it. Support +1  Keeper    76  17:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Support as nominator. :-) I'll go ahead and add it to the suggestions page. -- RyRy  ( talk ) 18:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It might help to translate that into English. Hit what in 24 consecutive games? The ball? Is it so unusual to hit the ball in your American version of rounders? *ducking* --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 18:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If someone hits the ball, say 33% of the time during their career,(and safely arrives at at least first base - you can "hit" the ball and still be "out"), they will be in the hall of fame. Failing 66% of the time to "do their job".  So, yeah, crazy game really.  I'll go thru the article again to get rid of the apple-pie speak.   Keeper    76  19:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Writing a good wikipedia sports article is really tough I think. I've been thinking of writing one on the rule of cricket, but I haven't got very far yet. What do you think?
 * --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My head just exploded. I'm out.   Keeper    76  19:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've seen that before - Douglas Adams possibly? Out with it Malleus - where's that from? Racking my brains but I can't think. Pedro : Chat  21:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It does sound very "douglas adams-y", not that that's a bad thing. google, don't fail me now!.....   Keeper    76  21:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * google says there are 141 instances of just the "first sentece" with quotation marks. Fess it, Malleus, you didn't write that.  All the links are blogs/forums on the first couple of pages, so either you are a terrificly prolific blogger... Keeper    76  21:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He Google'd yo ass.-- Koji Dude  (C) 22:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, to be fair, Koji, Malleus never claimed to write it. Oh wait.... Keeper    76  22:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's from a tea-towel any self-respecting county ground gift shop will happily sell you. – iride  scent  22:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed - that's where I must have seen it - see the bottom of this page. Pedro : Chat  22:31, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * WTF is a "tea-towel"? Brits... Keeper    76  22:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You're joking right, Keeps? How else do you dry your dishes >...test... We must have an article..Tea towel ... Pedro : Chat  22:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you'd call it a dish towel. A thin cloth or towel, used for drying dishes that your lame dishwasher hasn't dried for you.  Gazi moff  22:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I clicked on "tea towel", it's a redirect to Towel. I've never once in my life heard that term, so I can go home smarter now I suppose.  I don't call any part of my car, that I'll be driving home, a "boot", either, but meh.... Keeper    76  22:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

It was a joke. I didn't write it, I just copied it from here. Naively, I thought that everyone would recognise it as something that's been in circulation for as long as I can remember. Apparently I was wrong. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries Mall. My post (if you look closely, I linked WP:SARCASM), was meant in jest.  It was quite obviously the work of someone else (at least to me).   Keeper    76  22:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd have been very proud of having written that, and my copyright notice would have been plainly visible on every tea towel sold at every county cricket ground. Sadly though it's not, 'cos I didn't. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose that this has really blown my chances at RfA#3 now. All I thought I had to do was to wait until hell cooled down, and now this bombshell! --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

<-- Just a note, this is very off-topic from the name of this section... -- RyRy   Public  ( talk ) 00:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just another note. I don't give a flying ... well perhaps you get my drift. ;-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:16, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, well anyway, Keeper, Randy Ruiz has been verified, so we'll be seeing the hook on the main page sometime soon like you wished it would. :-) -- RyRy   Public  ( talk ) 00:17, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Do you know what day it will be on the main? And ryry, every post on my talkpage is very offtopic from whatever the thread is called.  Not sure why that is, but I love the distraction.  And I need to find out who put that picture here.  It is probably one of the most disturbing images I've seen yet.  Anytime I see a laptop with a crumpled up "tea towel" nearby, I get to wondering just exactly which websites said user is visiting... Keeper    76  14:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Check the licensing..... self made.... because I have too much time on my hands.... :) Pedro : Chat  14:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's your user page, Keeper, from a close inspection :)  Gazi moff  14:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, God, I just realized that the picture is my userpage. Why does Pedro need a tea towel when looking at my userpage?  I realize WifeOfPedro is quite pregnant, and er, probably close to "unaccessible", but, oh, I think I'm gonna be sick.... Keeper    76  14:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a clean tea towel I might add..... :) Sexy as you are Keeps, your user page is not top of the list in sexual titillation! Pedro : Chat  14:17, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My userpage isn't sexy yet...I should probably delete this entire thread before Iridescent sees it, per WP:BEANS... Keeper   76  14:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Oh, God, I just realized that the picture is my userpage." I can't stop laughing.  Enigma  message 20:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, Keeper, to answer your question, it looks like It'll appear on the main page in a few minutes. :-) -- RyRy  ( talk ) 20:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

One goes to Zero and then to Three
Having an extremely deficient education, I find Wikipedia to be very helpful in filling my considerable voids of knowledge. I started today on Wikipedia by learning about a courageous Polish mother superior named Anna Borkowska, who saved a number of Jews during World War II. Enriched by learning this, I commended the article’s author on his work. To my surprise, I later saw the article was redlinked. Alas, there was a bit of copyright vio in that fine piece. I also witnessed a hostile volley between the angry author (who didn’t like to see his work deleted) and an equally unhappy admin (who salted the article to prevent a reprise). The duo went to DRV with their fight. So how does one solve the problem? Well, getting a new article written on the mother superior is not difficult, so I started researching the mother superior’s life. But then, damn it, I learned something new again: I discovered there was actually another Anna Borkowska, an actress who appeared in a famous Iranian movie called "The White Balloon." Thus, we began the day with one Anna Borkowska, then we wound up midstream with zero, and now we have three: Anna Borkowska (Sister Bertranda), Anna Borkowska (actress) and a dab page for Anna Borkowska. If you know of any other Anna Borkowskas out there, feel free to write about them yourself – I am all Anna’ed out. Ecoleetage (talk) 19:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * How did you know my real name???  Keeper    76  19:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I would say it was an educated guess, except that I didn't have much of an education. FYI -- your new articles are quite fine, thanks for sharing them.  Your praise was more than a bit generous -- thank you on that, too! Ecoleetage (talk) 20:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Who ever said Keeper never edited? Bravo for balancing your god-like wisdom with incredibly large edits! [sarcasm] But really, you've outdone yourself. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 02:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey
Just wanted to thank you for this. I never saw it until just now, but I do appreciate your coming to my defense, even if it didn't actually change the outcome in the end. Hopefully by now I've proven to be enough of an article-writer that if I ever do go for RfA again, that won't be a concern. did you watch the game yet?  Enigma  message 05:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, shucks, that was nuthin. And no, I haven't seen the game yet, only the first 2 innings.  SShhhh...   Keeper    76  14:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

From Barcelona with love

 * So the village idiot strikes a new village. Oh my, what a template :-).  Glad you're having a good time, "behave" yourself ( to the best of your ability anyway....  Keeper    76  14:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

If I said you had a beautiful body would you hold it against me?
Can I get a second opinion from your TPSs about WikiProject Seduction? Am I being too harsh in thinking that not only this project, but almost every article on their list, ought to be put out of their misery before anyone actually wastes time working on them before the inevitable MfDs/AfDs? Or am I just being out of touch and uptight? – I might not be Fred Flintstone, but come  with me and I'll make your bed rock  14:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Everyone already knows Keeper has a beautiful body, though. —Giggy 14:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that would be a great honeypot to catch JL socks. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, I just read some of our more "interesting" bits of OR on Wikipedia. Lots of those articles are actually sourced though.  Mostly, they seem to be a bit too "instructional" and not enough "informational".  Not sure if I want to tackle any of them (and no, I'm not "playing hard to get.")   Keeper    76  14:52, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah well; if nothing else, I now know the weirdest external link I've ever seen. – Is that a spacesuit you're wearing? Because  your tits are out of this world  15:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I refuse to click on any external links you provide, Irid. Your reputation precedes you.  Tis also a shame that you feel that you need to use pick up lines.  You are a pickup line you sexy beast :-)   Keeper    76  15:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's an honest to goodness US Government site, that is... – Do you believe in love at first sight,  or should I walk past again?  15:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm at a gov't location, and I still wont click it.  Qb  | your 2 cents  15:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, the listed articles at the project. Hilarious. Iri, if you're looking for weird links... (advise not looking at this if you're at work or, well, anywhere. No images, but disturbing enough in its own right)  Enigma  message 17:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

A question
Do you really believe that I "personally attacked" OR in any way several days ago? If not, then should anyone be allowed to makd that claim in various forums and talkpages? I don't "attack" anyone (check my contribs if you need to confirm). I rarely get angry (I can think of maybe twice since I signed up). This really bothers me, and I don't want to have my name dragged through the mud. S. Dean Jameson 18:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Go back to your talkpage and read my reply to you and ask yourself how this post fits in with what you said you were going to do (and not do). Keeper    76  18:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I reworded it to remove the name. Would you mind responding to the substance of it? It would really be helpful to me. S. Dean Jameson 19:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've at no time said that you "personally attacked" anyone, including OR, nor do I believe you did. I've never read OR's talkpage.  My first post regarding the issue was at ANI, today.  I saw that you made a good faith attempt to shorten a block by two days, and I saw you get (right or wrong, I dunno) upset when "A" replied in that thread.  You're both good users.  I don't believe "A" is "harassing" you (that's a strong word).  Disagreeing with you?  Perhaps. In more than one place ("various forums"?). Perhaps. So what, you disagree with him too. In more than one place (if you count my talkpage).  Hence the arrows.  It's a big Wiki, and it's fun to edit.  It's not worth the meta grief (why does this feel like the 3rd time I've typed this to you in the last two weeks?)  Today's issue is tomorrow's newspaper.  This is a case in point.  Please just go about your business and not worry so much about what other editors are doing.  If you don't want to be "dragged through the mud", as you put it, you shouldn't have to be, I completely agree.  Get out of the mudpit.    Keeper    76  19:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've posted an "olive branch message" at his talkpage. Not accusatory (I hope) or anything, just a way for us to move forward. Let me know what you think. S. Dean Jameson 19:38, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I just read it, sounds fair and equal. I hope it is accepted.  Keep in mind that a "rejected olive branch" is generally not a free license to do anything but to continue hold onto your end of the branch. (the short end, albeit).  It's the whole trite "be the better person" garbage that I'm holding you to. :-)  Be well,  Keeper    76  19:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I consider the "branch" I offered binding upon myself, no matter the reception of it. S. Dean Jameson 19:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The adage "When yer in a hole, quit digging" comes to mind with you, SDJ. You seem like a reasonable, intelligent editor; stop worrying about the drama on here and concentrate on the constructive stuff. All the responding/fighting/complaining/worrying about this is only giving credence to the whole issue. Tan      39  19:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't feel like I was "in a hole", Tan, as I was simply frustrated from being accused of things I didn't do. However, I can see where you would get that perception, and as such your advice is good. S. Dean Jameson 19:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

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Template:CostaRica-politician-stub
Hi Keeper. I added about 100 Costa Rican politician stubs the other night in Category:Costa Rican politicians. I took for granted the stub category didn't exist and just added CostRica-bio-stub but it does. Could you use AWB to quickly stub sort the stub categories of the articles. I aim to get some of them expanded in the coming weeks by translation ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦  $1,000,000? 20:53, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't have AWB, J.Delanoy, (or anyone else) are you out there listening?  Keeper    76  21:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently he is, I fired up AWB thinking of this as a good opportunity for me to get some practice with it, but Jdelanoy was way ahead of me. ;) ~ mazca  t 22:35, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that :-). J.d rocks.  He's as quick as the sand, he is.  Sorry for the loss of opportunity, maz... Keeper    76  22:37, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * May I take this opportunity to insert an evil laugh?  MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!   Thank you. I'm done now....  J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  23:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Evil Lord J.delanoy, cruelly depriving others of tedious tasks! ~ mazca  t 12:01, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keeper, why do you not have AWB? Are you not aware that people who actually make manual edits are less worthy than elite tool users?  MBisanz  talk 12:23, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keeper edits? – xeno  ( talk ) 12:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ouch. That hurt like the truth.... Keeper    76  13:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I always thought he was this kind of zen master-Yoda hybrid, always around to impart words of wisdom and direct people to tranquility and peace in their editing, while not editing themselves. That peace and tranquility is directly proportional to the performance of his baseball team though :)  Gazi moff  13:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes yes, Keeper edits he does.  Keeper    76  13:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Your comment on Irpen's page (copy/pasted)
Yeah... *through gritted teeth* thanks Keeper. - No. I shall stop being angry now. I guess I've always had a bad temper on here and it really has collided with some people. I've decided to stop giving into the addiction :-) - I don't think I'm a bad person. I know how to be nice and polite. I guess I just lose control when I see things that I believe are wrong. That happens with everyone. Irpen, in the past, I've found some of your comments to be enraging to the point of wanting to burn my whole flat down. But oh well :-) I am passed that as of now. I have nothing against you personally. You're a human being. I'm genetically programmed to love you in some sort of fashion. Maybe not physically just yet... We'll talk about that another time (if you're into that sort of thing... I'm game if you are?). Anyway, I'd just like to say I'm sorry for losing my temper with you. I promise I won't engage in any future discussions on Wikipedia that will lead to me swearing or losing my temper. This includes ignoring Kurt Maxwell Weber, any cabals, Daniel Brandt, and the poo (that's not a swear word) stain that is Wiki Review. I promise I won't make fun of, belittle, insult or upset anyone (intentionally) ever again on Wikipedia or Wikipedia Review or on the Internet in general. I wholeheartedly and unreservedly apologise to anyone whom I have upset over the past 17 months and I will endeavour to patch things up with them again. Thank you to everyone whom has been nice to me :-) Scarian  Call me Pat!  20:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you to everyone whom has been nice to me---somebody has been nice to you... that's surely a mistake, we need to rectify that!--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 21:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I've purported many times that I am an AGF-er. Emphasis on the F-er in some people's minds, I suppose, but meh.  I try my best to do my best, and I'm 99% successful .  Just this week though, another editor (absolutely rightfully) brought me to WP:WQA for my choice of language and posting.  I actually had the gall to call another user "worthless" while simultaneously saying "fuck you" in several instances.  Ooops!  Mistakes happen, I've edited angry even though I've stated explicitly that "I never edit angry" (diffs on request).  Don't be too hard on yer-fine-self, Scarian, and along with that, don't be too hard on your fellow volunteers.  None of us are getting a paycheck for this, we're here because we want to be here.  You, me, Irpen, everyone.   Keeper    76  21:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Moved from Irpen's Talk
God bless cops. Seriously. Whenever its got a marathon on Spike, I always sit back with a couple bottles of tequilla and laugh. Beautiful. Simple. Entertaining. I also love watching those Fabulous Life Of...'s on VH1. Sure, they make me feel poor... but only long enough to remember that I lived that life once. And hated it. :P  Qb  | your 2 cents  21:53, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * A couple of bottles???. Sheesh! I thought I was a drunk!   Keeper    76  21:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I can hold mah tequilla like its no one's business. Being Puerto Rican, I should be able to take down Rum with ease... but i've just never developed a taste for it.   Qb  | your 2 cents  21:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Good to know! Whenever I see you "posting the crazy-talk", I'll chalk it up to yer heritage, combined with yer "habits".  Meant in good fun. :-)  Keeper    76  22:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh by all means. They slap you with a trout; feel free to slap me with a bottle of lime infused tequilla.  Ya know?  That sounds good right now.  Later!   Qb  | your 2 cents  22:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yer makin' me thirsty. I need to get out of me stuffy office soon...going home, bye TPS-ers!  Please handle whatever happens in the next 12 hours?  Excellent!  Keeper    76  22:38, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK of Randy Ruiz!
It's on the main page now! Now my 13th DYK. Don't miss it Keeper, you've been waiting for this. ;-) -- RyRy  ( talk ) 23:53, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, that really is a stunning picture of him. I'm loving the unnecessary amount of pink. ~ mazca  t 22:05, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

templates
I like futzing with templates, so I break one now and then, at least I didn't drop that picture of you after the Christmas party in Template:!.  MBisanz  talk 17:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it bad that I don't even remember the Christmas party? Who did, I mean, what did I do there? :-) /And yoost a bit more SRS, did that Meta/foundation thing work out?   Keeper    76  17:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Despite the inhuman amount of canvassing performed by yours truly, they still need to find someone better who can vouch for me. I'll let you know when they do (requests tend to take upwards of 3 months to process).  MBisanz  talk 19:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Someone better????? Who's better than Keeper!!!! I defy you to find....oh wait. Nevermind.  They're probably right :-)  Keeper    76  19:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Ping
WP:N/CA talk should be somewhere close the top of your watchlist, as promised. Although late, I'm still interested in further conversation.  Syn  ergy 21:02, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Booya! Go read it.  I knew you were gonna post here.  :-)  Keeper    76  21:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This would effectively end my wikibreak from your talk page, so I had to. /grunts  Syn  ergy 21:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Oppose on Nev1's RfA
Thanks for the notification, I indeed did not have it watchlisted. I have clarified my oppose here.   Asenine   10:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent - it's just that there were some grumbles starting below yours and up in the support column as well, and gosh, a simple talkpage message was all it took.  Keeper    76  14:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I prefer to jump straight to conclusions. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
... for the vandalism reversion. It's the price we pay for freedom. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  12:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * huh. When did I do that?  I beat the hugglers to a revert?  Damn keeper!   Keeper    76  14:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

More eyes needed at this AfD
We need some "eyes on" for this AfD, in my opinion. I've tried to clean up the flame war it was becoming, but any other dispassionate commenters that might happen upon this note would be appreciated. S. D. Jameson 13:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Come on TPSers! I can't believe that AfD hasn't had even one of you show up yet. Is WP:AN/K losing its touch? ;) S.  D. Jameson 18:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (fingers crossed)....Actually, that AFD seems to be perfectly under control, with most credit going to you for establishing a third party presence. No worries there that I can see, let it run out.  Keeper    76  18:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks Keeper! I appreciate the vote of confidence. I guess I've just always subscribed to the philosophy of "the more eyes the better" at AfD. S.  D. Jameson 18:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heat is increasing again, light is decreasing. Hrafn is now templating established editors for "personal attacks" for expressing their views on his contributions to the article. This could certainly use a pari of eyes with a few extra tools for the work. S.  D. Jameson 20:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Full Disclosure, for those of you who haven't read it, that I'm the editor who prompted the issue by responding to the nominator who (AGF notwithstanding) I believe to be making efforts to delete, vs. improve, articles about a specific religious group. Not seeking allies here, as I'm abiding by SDJ's judgement and am completely avoiding the AfD and the article in question, but I do have a question: Is it normal within Wikipedia etiquette to both nominate an article for deletion, and then actively take issue with edits made by other editors interested in keeping the article? ~95% of the AfD's I see don't seem to have this conduct by AfD nominators, yet I don't see anyplace that it's discussed or discouraged. It seems tenditious and BITE-y to me, but I don't really see any place where it's addressed. I believe it has, or is designed to have, the effect of prompting AfD !voters to assume an excessively negative view of the articles value, while concealing the amount of effort going into improving it. Without going into this specific AfD, what sort of separation is expected, if any, between the roles of AfD nominator, deletion advocate, and critical editor? Jclemens (talk) 20:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Blocks
Okay, Shapiros has made sockpupets recetly and is conflicting Stewie. Stewie is conflictng with Shap. But why should I be blocked? For trying to end a dispute? Gears of War  2 18:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've missed something here - where did keep threaten a block? Fritzpoll (talk) 18:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * User talk: Metros. Gears of War  2 18:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, he's still not threatening you with a block. As I've tried telling you guys so often, just let it go.  This is spilling onto so many pages that it isn't even funny Fritzpoll (talk) 18:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Welp, you decided to get involved so, thats on you. Gears of War  2 18:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * aaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaggghghgghghghgh!!!! That's all I have to say about this pettiness. Everyone go back to your rooms!   Keeper    76  18:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Keep - was trying to get the madness off your page (slinks away) Fritzpoll (talk) 18:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You have nothing to be slinking about, FP. When there are lots of flies buzzing, its nice sometimes just to know that there is another flyswatter in the area, hence my post at Metros page.  Good grief, this is all so silly.  I suppose we (meaning you, me, Metros, Xeno) should just let the kids have their playground fight.  Eventually, one of them will say something stupid enough to get sent off the playground and into detention.  Keeper    76  18:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (sigh) I guess you're right Fritzpoll (talk) 18:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Note: I have NOT made socks. That is untrue. Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work 18:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

*Sigh...*

 * I'm sorry, Keeper, I really am. I just am a little bit worn out.  You know, real life stuff.  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  18:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry so much Sam. You're getting too caught up in the silliness. Go. Take. A. Break.  Take care of the real life stuff, decide if Wikipedia is right for you (only you can decide that).  It isn't about "being liked" or "being rewarded".  It's about building and protecting the encyclopedia.  If the most important things to you here are your "friendlists" and "barnstars", you may need to rethink your purpose, and perhaps find a new website.  Only you can decide that.  Keeper    76  18:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh. I have no !!!!ing friendlist. Barnstars aren't important.  I acknowledge i took it too far with Stewie.  I will take the break.
 * And gears of War is making up a rumor about me. I have not made new socks.  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  18:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about Stewie, or about Gears. Enjoy your vacation.   Keeper    76  18:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Block
Hi I wonder if this edit by an IP is enough after him receiving many warnings not to vandalise wikipedia for a block. He has received his last warning. He doesn't appear to edit too frequently but every edit he has made so far has been vandalsim, but it is clear he will never have a purpose to contructively edit wikipedia. See the countless warnings at User talk:218.248.67.133  ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦       "Talk"? 20:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I say no, a block is not justified. Last warning was over a month ago and his two other edits this month could be construed as attempted good faith edits, I think. Useight (talk) 20:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec)Sigh, those are definitely the most frustrating. That IP is obviously not here for the right reasons, and is frustrating to say the least.  His "final final" warning was a month and a half ago.  Everytime he decides to edit, its a worthless edit.  Sigh.  Its frustrating because, technically, the "vandalism" is spread out enough that no admin will be able to justify a block.  Because its an IP, it will likely be "reassigned".  It's quite possible that it isn't even the same person each time, and to do a long term block would merely frustrate whoever gets the IP assigment next.  I wish I could help you, I agree with you 100% that a block would be refreshing.  If I blocked right now though (it was his only edit today, nothing since Aug 3, and no warnings since June), I'd end up dragged to ANI for "admin abuse".  Wish I could help.  As pennance, give me some article work to do, I'll do it! (or ask J.delanoy to do it) :-)   Keeper    76  20:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats what I thought. Hes probably not worth worrying about, but all the same he has been warned countless times and anybody who blanks a list clearly can't always be in good faith and most of his seemingly valid edits are, well pretty worthless.   ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦       "Talk"? 20:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Blofeld, when you finally accept my insistence that you would do well with the admin buttons, you'll hafta answer "I wouldn't block this user....because x, y and z" like I did above. You are one of the best Wikipedia editors/expanders we have.  If you would honestly block this user, I urge you not to go to RFA.  You will get opposes, and wrongfully based on the net positive that you are to Wikipedia.  When your RFA is successful, and you blocked this user, you'd get flamed on your talk, and probably ANI as well.  If those aren't the sorts of things you are interested in, (and if you can't honestly say you "wouldn't block this IP"), then I don't want you to go to RFA, because I don't want to lose you as an edit.  Fuck, you have what 200,000 edits now?  Good lord, you're a robot.  I want you to have the ability to do pagemoves/categorizing/renaming yourself, just to ease your frustration from having to ask a loser like me to do it for you.  But I explicitly don't want you to have to deal with the shit (there's no other word for it) that admins have to deal with when trying to do the best thing for Wikipedia.   Keeper    76  20:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Plus, if an IP is making blatantly bad edits, we shouldn't hold to the "fifty bajillion strikes and you're out" method of pre-block warning. (note I'm talking very generally, not about this particular IP) EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 20:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If there's a common thread to the edits (I haven't looked, I'm at work), there's no reason not to block, even if the edits are spread out; just the other day I blocked an IP that was making the exact same edits they were a month prior, making it very clearly the same person.

If you are interested in some article or list work I need to copy the list of Spanish politicians from spanish wikipedia here the full A-Z into a list at WikiProject Spain/Missing politicians. We only have 192 in that category Spanish wiki has 1100 odd and many of them useful. Once they are red linked they may require a Blofeld bot style stub run to get them up and running...  ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦       "Talk"? 20:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Do I need to know Spanish to help? Because if I do, I don't... Keeper    76  20:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Did I say I would have blocked him? I asked what you thought. I don't think he has enough recent violations to be blocked, I wanted to know what you thought about his recent edit and the repeated warnings he has had over history. Its more a groan groan rather than a serious request for a block that we have to put up with IP editing more than anything when it isn't contructive. If I was an admin I wouldn't have blocked him but I agree it can be a damn nuisance putting up with repeated IP vandals and knowing whether to block them because personally you feel they will never edit constructively yet as an admin you have to be tolerant of their crap and be overly patient as is to be expected.  ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦       "Talk"? 20:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Understood, my little "lecture" there was borne out of a very frustrating day. There have been several users I've wanted to block indefinitely for no other reason other than I don't want to deal with them anymore.  Of course, I wouldn't ever conceive of actually doing that, and I didn't mean to imply that you would do that.  It was merely a general statement, not specifically meant for you (or that I thought you would block).  Even though your section header is "block".  :-)   Keeper    76  20:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding. You know for sure that I would support your adminship, right? If you want it, self-nom. I'll be a strong support, and you would be surprised at how many would be on your side, you are a terrific wikipedian, with a level of dedication that is unsurpassed and unrivaled. Oh, and I finished filling up your A-Z list while you typed here :-) Guess I didn't need to hablo espanol after all.  Cheers,  Keeper    76  20:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. But all the same he still has vandalised wikipedia at least 12 times and received 12 warnings and is clearly not here for constructive purposes. Its not as if he only did it once as a newcomer. I have to agree with Evula personally I don't think it should matter whether the edits are weeks apart or minutes apart but "by the book" he would need to make blatant vandalism to articles in a short period of time I know this. If I was an admin I would be fully aware that I would need to be cautious with every use of the tools I make and am quite capable of making a decision based on "official criteria" but if being an admin entails being permanently patient with such IP's or excessively putting up with repeated bad edits just to keep wikipedia completely open then I'd rather try to focus entirely on mainspace building which I feel is what I do best. ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦      "Talk"? 21:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That IP is just wasting our time. I hate this policy of so-and-so amount of warnings before block. I think his intentions are clear. If he's reformed, unblock. That's all it is to it. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 21:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I know thats how I feel but according to policy on blocking he hasn't performed enough recent blatant bad edits to constitute this. Hey Keeper thanks for copying the list. I now need to get it all bulleted and red linked. I'll probably do a bit every day, any gradual help you can give would be much appreciated  ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦       "Talk"? 21:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My PC is a bit shaky, I keep getting shut down, and my weekend is looming (I don't edit weekends, generally). I'll start at the bottom, we'll meet in the middle. As far as the blocking goes, I agree with EOTW above. I really do wish I could block that IP, but I simply can't without an explicit policy change in our blocking policy.  It frustrates me too.   Keeper    76  21:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah dear dodgy PC huh? Thanks for your help. Yes tomorrow I think I'll try to make a start on getting those 1000 missing biographies stubbed. At least then they will be blue linked and connected to spanish wikipedia so they can be translated eventually. That is a serious amount of content missing. ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦      "Talk"? 21:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to be okay right now. I just listified Z, Y, W and V.  I was surprised by how many were blue links (some correct, many incorrect, probably will need disam. pages down the road).  I'll work a bit more here, but I'm going offline in a  bit.  I'll check in in the morning briefly, otherwise, Monday.  Keeper    76  21:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅. All items have been listified. That was tedious. Useight (talk) 23:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

There's a solution, and it all has to do with baseball (See Keeperpedia Rule #4)
1....2....3 strikes you're out at the old ball game! Can't play nice, demoted to A ball. Seriously someone needs to turn off the internet. Drama in the last ~24 hours is on half my watchlist to the exent that I almost want to un watchlist every page with a "User_talk" prefix. and then it landed in my inbox, again! Yes Keep, you should be very grateful that you don't have e-mail. I don't care what chronological age someone is, I've seen a few that are college or older acting like pre school. Can't everyone just STFU and go watch the Olympics? 19:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you want me to sign this for you, or would you like to fix your own incompetence? Booya!  Bring me to ANI!!!!!  Keeper    76  19:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * :-p pffft, signing is so over rated and yesterday, the date stamp is where all the cool kids are at. TravellingCari  19:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But yer signature is sooooo pppppreeeetttyyy....can't stop staring.....Oh, and go to Metros talk page, he links to two excellent essays in the thread I started there. Good laughs, all around!   Keeper    76  19:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, had seen his retiring one, but not Voce's. That's great and sadly, so damn true. Kiddies scare me IRL as well, with Joba down they brought up Mr. "I can't take New York" Ian Kennedy to pitch tonight. EEK! In a way I'm glad they picked up Ponson, not only is he a solid 4/5, but he's also older than me. Joba, Ian, Ohil Hughes, Chien Ming Wang, all younger. TravellingCari  20:08, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. Most of the Twins starting rotation (actually, all of them now that Livan was replaced with Frannie) are barely out of diapers.  Not one of them would ever "qualify" for Wikipedia administratorship :-) I'm pretty sure we have the youngest "starting 5" in baseball (Perkins, Baker, Blackburn, Slowey, and Liriano are all under 25.  They can't even rent a car yet...but damn, they can pitch...  Keeper    76  20:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I need to look at my Wings autographs. I might have some that are worth something. I still miss going to Hudson Valley Renegades games when they were Texas, great rehab starts there. SI Yankees and Brooklyn Cyclones get nuttin'. My friend got Morneau's -- last season was it I think when he was doing a quick rehab stint with the Wings. Not cool. Moose and Andy save the Yankees for being avg age 21.2 TravellingCari  20:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Off for some liquid therapy and culture. TGIF and happy weeekend! 21:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You didn't sign on purpose. Jerkhead.  See ya next week, I'm getting out of this place soon enuff.... Keeper    76  21:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL yes, the 2nd time was on purpose, first truly was an accident. If I'm a jerkhead, what's Ian Kennedy? Hope you're able to get some rest and peace this weekend. I can imagine the news was hard. TravellingCari  05:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

John Edwards
I saw you moved the Edwards affair article...just curious, did you fix the double redirects? Kelly hi! 21:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ack, no not yet. My PC just crashed, and is runnin' really shaky (of course - how convenient) Help a guy out???? Keeper    76  21:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems my page move was reversed, I'm assuming that means there aren't any double redirects then? (unless of course, it gets moved again...)  Keeper    76  21:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh - yeah, I'm kind of multitasking myself and can't keep up with developments. :) Kelly  hi! 21:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay
How you doing? Pedro : Chat   Is grieving  15:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a pounding headache, the sun is too bright, and everyone is too damn loud. I'm wearing sunglasses inside my office. I had an interesting night of indulgences... Keeper    76  15:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And you're working on a Saturday.... bad news. Glad you're okay. Pedro : Chat   Is grieving  15:40, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just doing some paperwork (obviously :-)...Going offline in about 2 minutes... Keeper   76  15:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry about what happened, Keeper. Glad you're okay. I was worried about you. S.  D. Jameson 17:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what SDJ said. Jclemens (talk) 18:12, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just found out about Jeff. That's a real shame. I never had any direct dealings with him, but he always seemed one of the ever-shrinking number of truly decent people here. – iride  scent  19:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll second that, a tragic shame. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 20:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thirded. Hope you're well, Keeper. Glass  Cobra  23:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * User talk:Jeffpw/Memoriam FYI. Pedro : Chat   Is grieving  22:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps someone who knew him well could write something for the memorial at WP:DIED. Useight (talk) 23:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been wondering about that as well. I wonder if his sister would want to contribute anything for that. I saw where someone has already asked her for something for Wikinews. If she does that, maybe that will be something we can use for the memorial page. <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing  05:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent move setting up the Memoriam page, Peds. Thanks all for your kind thoughts towards me, I feel rather sheepish in all honesty.  I may have overeacted a bit with the full protect and blanking on Friday, I didn't mean to draw attention to myself and away from jpw and his family.  My overly emotional response was sincere, and partially rooted in the memories it triggered of my own recent RL.  I never worked on Wiki with Jeff, merely "stumbled" into his talkpage shortly after he lost his husband, and I left him a few messages on his talk that he seemed to appreciate, that's all.  There are many many editors that worked closely with Jeff, specifically in the LGBT community and Wikiproject.  My heart is broken for jpw's mother, and his sister, his friends, his extended family, Isaac's family, and for his Wiki-family (you know who you are).  Peace be with Jeff and those that mourn for him.  I ask please that no more messages in regards to my "overreaction" are posted here, I'll be fine. Instead, do something on Wiki, or in real life, and dedicate it to Jeff.  Bring one of his articles to FA, or GA.  A quick look through his contribs over the last several months will reveal his passion and his passions - one of which was Wikipedia itself and its community.  Honor Jeff's memory that way, not here.  Cheers (a toast to Jeff), and thanks again for your nice, but undeserved, thoughts.   Keeper    76  00:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Jeff
OMG, Keeps, this just effin KILLS me. I've been sitting in my room for the last hour weeping and trying to process this...mister smirnoff has been helping/hindering, but wtf-ever....If I write "WTF???" a hundred billion times, will that at least make me understand? Because frankly? I don't. I'm glad he and Isaac are together--to say the least!--but I don't understand a LOT a lot of this. Gladys J Cortez 06:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Mr. Smirnoff's relatives have paid me a couple of visits this weekend as well. I don't think we are meant to understand a lot of things (can you imagine our egos if we did?)  Be well,   Keeper    76  00:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

What happened to Jeff? I came on and heard indirectly via the Shankbone stuff that he had passed. What the hell happened? We were just talking to hoim a few weeks ago! Was it a chosen departure? - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  20:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)