User talk:Keeper76/Archive 13

Stop Making Sense
Of course, you're right on the money here, but I don't know how much good it will do. It's depressing to see excellent candidates who are mature and sensible have a rough ride at RfA for these kinds of reasons. I agree with you that many peoples' standards and expectations are way out of whack, but I haven't had much success in changing them. It pretty much guarantees that we get a lot of admins with the right balance of XfD and Template talk: edits but not much clue about the big picture. I can think of a half-dozen candidates like Moni3, obviously thoughtful and dedicated contributors who'd be great admins, who have failed at RfA for truly depressing reasons. Sigh. MastCell Talk 17:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Stop Making Sense? Stop being Nonsensical then! Yeah, see my next response, the one responding to synergy's rebuttal of the comment you just linked.  I know very well it won't do any good.  What "does" happen isn't necessarily what "should" happen.   Keeper    76  17:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi
In reading over the discussion (apparently moved to the talk page), Avruch would seem to be right, people seem to be talking past each other.

But all that aside:


 * If anyone, after looking through Moni3's communicative and collaborative editing, actually thinks that she will spuriously block someone, they clearly didn't do enough research.

Adminship is about more than blocking.

And I went through every edit in her contribution history. (Please see her talk page for more information.)

And I had more concerns, but (for me at least) the ones I listed were enough.

Having concerns is not equal to disliking someone, or thinking that they are a "bad person". It's about having concerns about trust with the tools and responsibilities of adminship.

You make it clear you would, while I have concerns.

Difference of opinion or interpretation is not necessarily a bad thing.

Anyway, I guess I was just surprised at your comments. - jc37 18:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And I yours. We'll continue to disagree on this candidate, whatever happens.  I appreciate your post here, I probably worded that I little harsher than was intended, and it wasn't intended to be directed specifically and exclusively at you, although it certainly appears that way, being in a thread about your oppose.  It was more intended towards the general sentiment of "didn't answer Q4 right" type opposition.  I have no doubt that you did thorough research into the candidate, you always do.  We simply came to a different conclusion on this one, and as always, I believe very strongly that I'm right. :-) It will be bygones soon enough.   Keeper    76  18:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Your request on User talk:MastCell...
...has been denied. We do not block on request, please see WP:BLOCKME. If you wish to be blocked, I'm afraid you'll need to go vandalize an article 4 times like everybody else. --barneca (talk) 19:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Haven't I been here long enough to automatically be given the secondchance template, along with at least 5 ANI reports, two RFCs, a partridge, a(nother) WQA report, a reconfirmation RFA, an RFAR, 2 more ANI reports, three huffy retirements of my "supporters", and a pear tree to keep everything, before I'm blocked?  4 vandalisms and a block?  Fuck, I think I vandalize like a dozen times per day!  Keeper    76  19:47, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And is it bad that I can't f-ing bluelink the 2nd chance template? Guess that tells you how often I've used that little number.... Keeper    76  19:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's second chance, and the computer says no :)  Gazi moff  20:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keeper does not vandalize, because he pays others to edit. Come on people, he games the system!!!!!  And I admire that.  Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 20:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

In related news, User:Immature Basophil who needs to ask in the edit summary where to write his comment, knows quite a lot about Wikipedia policies. Could someone have gone shopping for new footwear? De728631 (talk) 20:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries, I gave him a really nice welcome on his talkpage.  Keeper    76  20:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * :) MastCell Talk 20:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, MastCell, your motives were completely obvious to me. Just click on a few of the bluelinks in your welcome template (besides the tilde one).   Keeper    76  21:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I could tell you got it, but then I realized that my sockpuppetry was so realisitically honed that it taken in others who lacked your perceptiveness. Thanks for the welcome, though. :) MastCell Talk 21:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Keeper
Thanks for the kind words! I figured I'd be foolish, having just started patrolling for vandalism today, to revert an admin's edit :D Joshuagross (talk) 20:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Attention Admin Stalkers
Can someone (especially an admin) take a look at this AfD and see if you don't think consensus has been reached? Frank |  talk  22:00, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say most likely. Big CRYSTAL violation, not really a notable enough event for us to cover anyway. WP:NOT is relevant here too. Glass  Cobra  22:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Let me be more specific...I was looking for an uninvolved admin to take action. :-) Frank  |  talk  22:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I got excited when I read this title! Now I find it's something I can't help with :-( -- For what its worth, I agree that it needs to be closed as delete. :-) John Sloan (talk) 22:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅. I just closed it as an overwhelming example of what exactly should be deleted.  I'm going offline now, conveniently I suppose.  See you tomorrow!   Keeper    76  22:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry Frank, I thought you were just asking for advice, and planned to close it yourself. I would have done it if I had seen that you had already voted. Glass  Cobra  22:13, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem; it's not always obvious online what is being requested, and I can be pretty spare with my words sometimes... anyway it's done, as Keeper says...for now :-) (He might have been referring to Prince Chunk but I'm over that now. Really. :-)

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Article needing to be deleted
Hello,

I am having trouble due to some Barack Obama supporters who refuse to follow rules.

The article Family of Barack Obama should be deleted, please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Obama family. You'll notice that this article was already shown to not be notable and was nominated for deletion. The content was moved into this new article name, and the old article name is now being used to direct to this article. Should be deleted asap.

Also, the article is about one notable persons non-notable family. Articles about notable families like the Kennedys are included because they have many well known and notable individuals in that family not just one or two. The "Obama Family" is not a notable entity like the Kennedys, it's not a royal family, it's just a list of non-notable people related to Obama. Please see wikipedias official policy on making genealogical entries like this one WP:NOTDIRECTORY. QuirkyAndSuch (talk) 13:52, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Your post seems a little misleading to me, you refer to WP:Articles for deletion/Obama family which was indeed closed as 'delete' in May, but it was then recreated in a somewhat different form and (just) survived an AfD discussion in July, WP:Articles for deletion/Obama family (2nd nomination). If you think the closure of the second debate was incorrect, I don't think asking various admins to delete it without further discussion is the way to go. ~  mazca  t 14:53, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Mazca here, QuirkyAndSuch. Asking around isn't how it's done on Wikipedia, you will very unlikely find an admin that will just say "OK, you're right", and delete it.  Won't happen.  If you disagree with the closing admin's intepretation of the debate and close rationale, you can ask the closing admin to explain. If the closing admin isn't cooperative, or you still don't agree, you are welcome, and encouraged, to take the deletion discussion to the next level, which is deletion review.  If the outcome there is to "keep" the article, you'll have to live with it for a while.  It can always be renominated, or revisited at a later date, but be advised, that renominating something for deletion "too soon" after a consensus discussion is seen, often times, as disruptive and pointy.  Happy editing,  Keeper    76  16:05, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Delete request
Please delete Kalika, Seti to make way for a redirect. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 14:18, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Done, par moi. Hope that's all ok. Holiday at the moment, so I'm not checking in regularly, so feel free to undo any of my actions anywhere (anyone). Cheers,  Alex Muller  15:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ack! Thanks Alex!  I've been online about an hour, never scrolled to the end of my talkpage until the orage bar just lit up.  Sorry EotW -  Keeper    76  16:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: FU
Upon my query, UtherSRG said he "forgot" about our compromise when he unilaterally moved the Macaca page to Macaca (disambiguation), I asked him if he'd object to my moving it back, and he did not respond, so I'm assuming he doesn't care one way or another. Could you please delete the current Macaca page (but please do not delete Talk:Macaca, as that contains the relevant discussion)? I tagged it for speedy deletion, category 6. Thank you for any assistance you can offer.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 16:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. I just deleted what you requested as G6.  Let me know if anything else needs doin'.  Cheers,  Keeper    76  16:18, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Superb, thanks for you help.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 16:24, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Man with a tan
How's this for a marvellous example of an editor who really wants to be unblocked. Check the edit summary. Guy (Help!) 17:45, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, no worries, I'm not losing sleep over him or chomping to unblock him. The "luls in vietnam" combined with the racist userpage are enough for me really.  He's done a mild amount of productive work though, he just won't let the IP issues go, or the apparent issues with you, even more so now that you've blocked him.  I've tried to reason with him, I've posted my last there.  If he really is the "victim" of trolling on and off wiki, I have just a shred of sympaty for him.  I unblocked him last time, he got trolled again, and reacted exactly wrong.  I'm not about to unblock again, as I said above on my own talkpage.  I really am just hoping for an explanation from him, so I can unwatchlist and not think about it again.  If he pops anything logical, I'll be sure to chat with you before I do any admin action.  Cheers,  Keeper    76  17:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * is it possible that he and the ip are the same person? i may have missed this! Tombomp (talk/contribs) 19:45, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * According to Sam Korn, yes, it's quite possible and even likely. Guy (Help!) 19:49, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I honestly thought there was a chance it could be turned around. Guess I'll be chalking this one down to experinece. Sorry if I complicated anything Keeper and Guy.  Gazi moff  22:34, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Simple request
I'm sincerely curious who's watching this page (I've heard it's several people, but I'm not sure who). Not for my ego's sake, but for my curiousity's sake, would you please add four tildes (and nothing more) if you are reading this message? Thanks! Keeper   76  23:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You all are pathetic! Don't you have any lives? Oh, wait... S.  D. D.J.Jameson 04:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) Fritzpoll (talk) 23:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) I would never watch this page.  Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 23:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) o hai ! – xeno  ( talk ) 00:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Not a chance. Wait.....  J.delanoy gabs adds  00:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Aleta  Sing  00:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 7)  MBisanz  talk 00:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Who, me?  Enigma  message 00:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) The paranoia is strong in this one...and a double ec to boot! Shot info (talk) 00:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Useight (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) –  iride  scent  00:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) -- Xp54321 ( Hello! • Contribs ) 00:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 5)  Frank  |  talk  00:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Steve Crossin  Contact/24 00:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Tequillas say whatnow?   Qb  | your 2 cents  01:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) Hello, I represent the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, and I am here to bring...oh, wait a second, wrong door. Ecoleetage (talk) 01:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) Koji  Dude  (C) 02:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) Umm... obviously? S.  D. D.J.Jameson 02:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * me, life sucking up wiki time but always watching and playing catch up. TravellingCari  03:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1)  RyRy   Public  ( talk ) 03:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Jclemens (talk) 04:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) EVula // talk //  &#9775;  // 04:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Well I wasn't, oh wait I probably was after my dustup with Dorftrottel Everyme, but then I get this voice of reason telling me to unwatch all user talk pages to avoid getting sidetracked into more wikidrama...and then I comment on someone's page and there they are on my watchlist, oh hang on, yours wasn't but must have been the above thread from OM's talk page where witticisms are oft exchanged for chuckles...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Weren't you neutral on Keeper's RfA? LOL.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 22:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey! He was!!!!!. I forgot about that!  I've decided that Casliber cannot be trusted.  Unless he admits how completely wrong he was.  Actually, he was one of three sane people that contributed to my RFA. One other neutral, and one opposer included.... Keeper    76  22:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * oh yeah...glad my paranoia was misplaced then...happy to be wrong Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And that said, OM, if you really want to pass RFA, do it in January. Nobody cares about anything other than staying warm in January.  Hell, I passed then.  So did a sockmaster, and unanimously at that.  :-)   Keeper    76  22:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you notice that the same usual suspects vote on almost every RfA? Occasionally, a group of editors such as myself come out of the woodwork to support or oppose a candidate (and get taken to secret tribunals because of it...ooops, I promised MC I'd not mention that ever again).  But I am proud to say that I voted support for a sockpuppet/master.  I even helped the guy get a couple of articles to GA.  I was pissed.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 23:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1)  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined  /  C ) 06:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * :D Glass  Cobra  06:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1)  Gazi  moff  06:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) From time to time; locating the dram.  Syn  ergy  06:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) I recently unwatched all non article pages (you should too!), but I'm watching now because of the Kurt crap just below. —Giggy 07:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Tombomp (talk/contribs) 09:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Pedro :  Chat  09:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) nancy  talk 09:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) You're on my watchlist —— RyanLupin • (talk) 09:45, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * +1, but sorry I got there late ;)  Alex Muller  09:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Talk page stalkers unite! Vickser (talk) 10:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2)  Jim Miller  See me 11:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Protonk (talk) 14:35, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) — Cyclonenim T@lk? 14:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) How the hell did I miss this?  Tan      39  15:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) It's like ANI, but more entertaining. ~  mazca  t 19:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 7)  Seraphim&hearts;  Whipp  20:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) Actually, your talk page was not on my watchlist, but I'm very susceptible to peer pressure. Seeing 41 names here convinced me to add it. Otherwise I figure they're probably all talking about me. MastCell Talk 22:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In your second sentence, you basically just summed up exactly what is wrong with RFA.  Keeper    76  22:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I was going to say there was something wrong with MastCell. But yes, the RFA too.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 22:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL @ MC and agree with K76 - but it's nice that admins are popular :-) Shot info (talk) 23:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 41 people can't be wrong. It's called democracy, son. Or have the terrorists already won? MastCell Talk 00:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Per MC. Sceptre (talk) 00:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Avb 01:43, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) --Cube lurker (talk) 19:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, it came to me that this is a rather shameless attempt to artificially inflate the edits made to Keeper's talk page. Keeper, you sneaky bastard!  Enigma  message 19:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. The funny thing is, I was only doing this to prove a point to OrangeMarlin in the above thread (where I said I can't say "fuck" too often because too many people watch my page).  I now know of at least 4 editors that have copied this.  Screw guestbooks, just put it directly on your talkpage!  I'm a genius!!!!!  Keeper    76  20:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup. BTW, I've blocked you for violating WP:NOT. MastCell Talk 20:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Bout damn time. Way to punish me for editing too much on my talkpage by the way, for restricting me to editing on my talkpage.  Another Wiki-genius moment. I'm starting to wonder if Orangemarlin wasn't right about you in our secret conversations.  Keeper    76  20:38, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Wow Keeper, you have a lot of friends stalkers ! ;) John Sloan (talk) 11:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) I don't actually have this page on my watchlist, but I pop by here frequently to read the latest events and gossip. It's really great! Acalamari 19:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) I stalked this page for several days a few weeks ago, but all the rapid-fire witty banter was too fast for me to keep up with. I got confused, and my head started to hurt, so I unwatchlisted it.  Now, of course, by writing this, it's back on my watchlist again. and, by the way, I'm not buying the "for curiousity, not ego" thing for 1 second; complete and utter [redacted] --barneca (talk) 20:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * will you buy it for 2 seconds? How about 3?  Just name your price!   Keeper    76  20:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Stop trying to suck me into your MySpace-ery. MastCell will block me too! I'm already on thin ice with another admin... --barneca (talk) 20:44, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just checking to see if you were actually watchlisting. Heh.  My talk page is like knowing that two cars are about to collide into a mesh of twisted metal and bloody noses.  You just can't look away, you have to watch.  You'd warn the drivers, but then you wouldn't get to see how it "all goes down".... Keeper    76  20:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I seem to recall that occasionally (just occasionally) threads on this page veer slightly off topic, so I've decided this is as good a place as any to say that I once saw was near a semi-bad car accident. It was one of those where you could see what was about to happen for a good solid 5 seconds before, and my wife says the whole time we were watching it unfold I was saying "No, no, no, no, no, no, no" and honking our horn.  I remember honking the horn, but the weird thing is, I don't remember saying anything at all.  She says I was praying. Actually, what she says is "the only prayer I've ever heard you say is "no, no, no, no, no, no". And I do remember, right before the impact, I actually did close my eyes because I didn't want to see it happen.  Does that make me a better person than you, Mister "then you wouldn't get to see how it "all goes down"....", or does that just make me more squeamish? --barneca (talk) 21:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh thank God we aren't typing in small font. To answer your question, you need to watch more cable and less "Little House on the Prairie".  Keep your eyes open!  How else will you be able to assist that poor driver searching for his arm in the ditch if you don't see where it lands??? I've watched cars flip over - it's terrifying, but I'm desensitized to it for sure. I've been in two head on collisions as a driver myself, and once as a passenger, never seriously injured, except perhaps based on evidence apparent, mentally.  I know exactly what those 5 seconds feel like though.  Keeper    76  21:09, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I'm hopeless. Honest to God, I can't watch any of those "America's stupidest waste of time video blooper outakes" shows, because I literally can't stand to watch people getting physically hurt.  Broken limbs are the worst; those skateboarders trying to slide down stair banisters and breaking an arm when it all goes wrong freak me out, and I still remember (long time ago) the horror of watching Joe Theisman break his leg on national television.  But I can't even watch ER without occasionally closing my eyes.  Truly pathetic. --barneca (talk) 21:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep. Pathetic.  I have TIVO, so not only do I watch Joe Theisman, etal, break there leg, I watch it over and over again.  Sometimes in slow motion, pausing on the exact moment.  Sick, I know.  Can't help it.  This thread has served no purpose, other than to keep Mizcabot from archiving it for two more days.  So the MYspace continues, with Barneca as the guilty party.   Keeper    76  21:27, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The MySpace accusation stung, so I went and did something I've never done before to atone: . --barneca (talk) 22:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So, you're a myspacer, and a masochist? I can see your match.com profile now:  "hey everyone! I'm barneca, I'm a gemini, I love long walks on the beach, romantic dinners, and chatting on the phone.  In fact, that's what I love to do the most. I love to chat chat chat and giggle about it, by phone, in person, or online.  I'm a chatterbox!   Oh, and also, I like to drip the wax from candles on my nipples while wearing a dog collar while you whip me with your belt.  Call me!"  ....  Keeper    76  16:11, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) –Juliancolton Tropical  Cyclone  20:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Nousernamesleft (talk) 23:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) AngelOfSadness  talk  23:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 4)  sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 22:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ANI gets drama, Keeper gets fun. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 00:37, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Between this and AN/X, I don't sleep anymore... rawr... - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:08, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

URGENT!
Keeper, User:Yianni Dreamboat is a sockpuppet of ThugIvo and has just vandalised FisherQueens userpage! Could you please perform an urgent block on this user? -- Thanks John Sloan (talk) 22:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I hit him with the flyswatter for ya. Btw, this is exactly why I wrote number 7.  Sorry about the "talk page stalking" ... :) Antandrus  (talk) 22:50, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Antandrus, ThugIvo (if thats even his original account) is building quite an army of socks! Shame most of them are already indefblocked (not!) :D John Sloan (talk) 22:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

What do you want me to respond about?
What evidence do you want me to respond to? TRM was talking about an email exchange we had a few days back about IRC, it had nothing to do with Evula, or the situation that you brought up.  Ryan Postlethwaite See the mess I've created or let's have banter 22:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Where did I say anything about wanting you to respond to "evidence", or anything for that matter? I simply said I didn't like the diff I saw from you that you posted on EVula's talkpage, it made my hair stand up.  You explained it, I said I believe you, and agree to dustbin it, meaning my concern.  You and I have disagreed a lot lately it seems on different issues (Kurt's ACC access, Dweller's rfb).  No biggie, it happens.  After my last post there, you then had an extended convo with TRM that I know nothing about, and I'm assuming that you and he can work out your difference.   Keeper    76  15:09, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, what was this all about then?  Ryan Postlethwaite See the mess I've created or let's have banter 02:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied there. Keeper    76  18:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Miracle at Camden Yards?
so much for Miracle on 34th Street, I much preferred today's miracle. Pavano gets a win in his first start since April 2007. Hell, Pavano starts? :o Speaks volumes that they brought him up over Hughes. I agree with that decision. That said, Lester shelled again? What's happening to the Sox pitching in recent weeks? That's not very Sox-esque. TravellingCari 05:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * When to see Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees last nite. Chase Wright pitches 7 shutout innings, yet Pavano gets the start?  I feel like a stranger on this planet.  Shapiros10  contact me My work  13:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Lucky - I want to see a Scranton game. Haven't made it yet. Chase Wright wasn't in the cards for this start, I remember reading somewhere they wanted to give him some time and not rush. I think Pavano will get another start, he earned it. TravellingCari  18:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's worth the trip. But if the next person who screws up will be replaced by either Wright or Alfredo Aceves (giving Jason Jones time to go back to AAA).  Shapiros10  contact me My work  19:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not according to the game I'm listening to -- they just interviewed Girardi and Cashman who said we won't see Wright until late September, at best. What I see is another long reliever coming up to extend the bullpen -- though there is an off day tomorrow which would help. TravellingCari  19:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I meant a young starter bombing. Shapiros10  contact me My work  20:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Pretty damn sure Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes have blown all their chances this season and hopefully forever in pinstripes. TravellingCari  20:46, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's like you're all speaking a foreign language! I am totally stalking the wrong talk page. ~ mazca  t 20:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Mazca. This is how Iri handled us the last time we got started :) TravellingCari  20:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hahaha, that's excellent. That said, I've also extracted some amusement from this by taking phrases I don't understand such as "a long reliever coming up to extend the bullpen" to be some kind of crude sexual euphemism. ;) ~ mazca  t 21:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Endurance down the stretch is another easily twisted, but I'll try to keep this clean for Sam. And no worries Mazca, I felt the same whilst living in Australia and trying to understand AFL, Rugby and Cricket. I spent some time in Darwin during the Ashes and our common area was "divided" between Australia and England fans -- I asked for the "who gives a damn" section. TravellingCari  21:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

<--No need to keep it clean. I know many sexual euphemisms. Shapiros10  contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work 21:24, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And if you spent much time around me you'd know a lot more, heh. On the topic of baffling baseball terminology, I agree that cricket is at least as bad for it - I'd have been tempted to just respond to this thread with some cricket babble if I could honestly say I understood that either. ;) ~ mazca  t 21:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I wonder what the limit is on "back and forth" replies between two editors before they realize that the person's talkpage that they are using isn't involved in the convo. :-). and you know I don't mind a bit, or edit weekends :-) .  And Mazca, I understood every word they said, enlightening conversation, its just too bad it's "all for not" because the yankee season will be over and done with at the end of september while the good teams continue play into October.  I don't care who they call up, send down, reassign, release, trade, or develop.  Too little, too late.  Keeper    76  14:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * LMAO, think of it as a welcome back present for this morning. You really think the White Sox are going to fall out of it? The issue with Yankees/Boston/Tampa is how often we're playing one another -- it's like that old game of Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots. I know we also play the Pale Hose but by then I think it will be decided or very close. Nice to have meaningful games going down the stretch. I will not count out the Yankees until they're mathematically eliminated, and you wouldn't expect anything less.  TravellingCari  15:00, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Damn Brits and Aussies degrading our fine sport into sexual innuendos. Of course, at least baseball has innuendos.  And innuendo sounds like an innuendo.  Nevertheless, soccer is too boring to have them.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 17:27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Suspicious WP:AN notice
I find it very suspicious that I'm notifying you of this, but you've been nominated for blocking (and likely removal of your aministrator title) on this AN thread:. Signed, Bercude (talk) 23:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If Keeper is blocked and desysopped because of that report, I'll eat every object I own (with tomato ketchup)! John Sloan (talk) 00:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If I were Keeper I'd accept a block and desysop at this point provided video evidence of the above-mentioned object eating was provided. ~ mazca  t 00:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If keeper is desysoped over that, I'll nominate myself for an RfA, say CDB's are ok during the nomination, win, delete Jimbo's userpage, eat all my shoes and get my bit removed. Fin. Protonk (talk) 00:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Man, oh man...go to the coast for one day and miss all the fun around here! Frank  |  talk  12:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I will definitely volunatarily desysop this account if I were provided a video showing John Sloan eating his camcorder. With ketchup.   Keeper    76  14:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If he only has one, the video might get suddenly red and blurry, then get inexplicably cut off... Jclemens (talk) 17:17, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hence the ironicalness of my post. You see, I have no interest in voluntarily desysopping myself, so I thought, hmmm, what could Sloan eat first with ketchup?  A-ha!   Keeper    76  17:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ironicalness? Irony is the word.  What do they teach you up there in glacier country?  Based on your Minnesota language skills, I propose that you should be desysopped immediately.  And of course, ketchup is a fine spice for you Minnesoooooootans.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 17:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ironicalness was typed for its simple dramaticalness. A homage (we northerners pronounce that HOM-edge -- HOM rhymes with Bomb) to one of my faves.   Keeper    76  17:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Did I forget to tell everyone here that I don't own a camcorder? -- Well I don't :p Not that i'd ever want Keeper to desysop anyway, what would all us admin stalkers do with our time!? :D John Sloan (talk) 17:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't blame me if you don't know what we're here for. :-P  Keeper    76  18:01, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Bulgarian Center for Not-For-Profit Law
COuld you ask somebody to make the decision to close this AFD. The snowball outcome looks obvious to me. As I expanded the article perhaps you could ask somebody else you know to close it for neutrality purposes. Such as Miss Cari.. The Bald One       White cat 18:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I just closed it. A unanimous decision, hardly controversial.  But it does have some problems that can be fixed, as do 98.9% of the rest of our articles... Keeper    76  18:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:RPP help
Sorry to keep bothering you Keeper, but could you please handle my request to have the talk page of the above troll/sockpuppet, User:Yianni Dreamboat, protected? - Thanks John Sloan (talk) 21:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, let RFPP work this one out. No need to post here for this.  I wouldn't want you to get accused of forum shopping.  Please know, I'm not accusing you of forum shopping, but once something has already been brought to the appropriate venue, posting here doesn't make it go any faster, nor should it.  Cheers,  Keeper    76  21:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:OR question
It's kinda hard to work up the stones to ask for help here, seeing as how this page gets more viewers than the olympics (probably more participants too) and if I'm in the wrong, it's gonna be pretty gosh darn public. But, when I think "common sense" you're the first admin that comes to mind. I'm being reverted at Resident Evil: Degeneration for adding the line "The trailer also suggests an encounter with a creature showing signs of G-Virus mutations, similar to those of William Birkin from Resident Evil 2." having it labeled as OR.

If memory serves, you're a 30-ish baseball fan with a wife and kid, so I don't expect you to know much about video games. No offense. :-) But, basically, what I'm putting into the article says that this has similar symptoms to this from the end of this trailer where you can see it better. I'm not asking you to take any action, I'm just wondering if you'd consider it OR or not.-- Koji Dude  (C) 21:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Regardless of my age, marital status, kid status, or otherwise, I know nothing about video games. Probably because I had a life right up until the exact point that I discovered Wikipedia, about a year ago.  Leaving this one to the stalkers, for Koji's benefit... Keeper    76  21:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * From a cursory glance (while I like video games, I don't like Resident Evil very much) it rather looks like OR to me - you're reaching a conclusion based on your own analysis of screenshots, trailers, etc. I might be missing something here, but it sounds to me like the kind of conclusion that needs a source. ~ mazca  t 22:07, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the major symptoms/mutations of the G-Virus are the eye-like tumor, extra appendages, and the crude skull where the head is supposed to be (easier to see in the first picture). From observation, the creature at the end of the trailer shows all of those. I'm pretty sure I've worded the sentence so that it doesn't state anything as fact, but instead just notes the similarities. I'm not sure it's something I can source, but it seems more like a common-sense observation than original thought.-- Koji Dude  (C) 22:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If you can't source it, then it's OR. QED. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, c'mon now Malleus, don't you go "making sense" and all. If you continue to "make sense", how else will you grow your blocklog???   Keeper    76  22:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My blocklog is quite big enough already I've decided. ;-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. You've got nothing compared to yer co-nominator. :-)  If you work hard, and continue to insist that the encyclopedia is more important than the encyclopedia's politics, you'll get there someday....god.  I can't believe I'm giving That Admin that Is Not to be Named a diff.  He's convinced that I've made you worse, convinced that I, and others, are the reason you've been blocked.  If I were in your timezone, I'd spit.   Keeper    76  22:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That Admin that is Not to be Named is a vindictive, malevolent, dishonest piece of shit that I would be embarrassed to find on the sole of my shoe. Strange, I had a sense of déja vu when writing that ... --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Malleus, you know I'm on your side with that, and agree with every single one of those adjectives. However, please don't let it "taint" your view of Wikipedia though. You like this place, regardless of its warts (and he's a wart, no doubt).  Don't let him win.  Let him continue to expertly edit articles, and non-expertly be an admin.  It shouldn't/wont' affect you.  He won't show up on your talk, you shouldn't visit his either.  There are several editors that I personally avoid so that I don't get too angry at this place and so that I continue to enjoy it.  Be that way, please?  He shoulda been blocked.  If he shows up with the same harassing comments, I meant what I said on his talkpage.  I'll block him, and personally suffer the "ANI/AN" consequences for blocking another "admin".  Don't let him win.  You still have things you want to accomplish here, articles that you want to be proud of.  Don't let him win....  Keeper    76  22:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries, I've been avoiding him for some time now, and I'll continue to do the same. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Good answer. I'm going offline (and you really should go to bed, MF - I know where you live).  See you tomorrow..... Keeper    76  23:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Spam
Could you help with this FAC? Thanks, --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 02:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * you mean I didn't screw it up badly enough the first time? What do you need help with?   Keeper    76  18:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments, etc. You did a lot of great work, Keeper, on this article, besides bastardizing the dashes. :) The weirest thing is, (this has nothing to with the FAC) I was just checkusered for being a sock of User:Kitia! The results, of course, turned up stale, as I imagine he and I had the same changing IP, but the accuser =turned out to be a sock of someone else! Weird.

This is entitled "spam". You may chose not to listen to my venting, or follow the FAC for that matter. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 03:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll follow the FAC, have it watchlisted, read it briefly. I'm not sure what needs to be done to the article at this point that a non-subject matter expert (me) can fix, but I'll pop a comma here or there if I see it.  Thanks for the note Kitia, er I mean Editor.... Keeper    76  14:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I need a couple of really important favors!
But before I ask you for those favors, I need to know if its possible to reset a password once its been seeded/scrambled? John Sloan (talk) 00:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Only if the account has an email address associated with it, otherwise there's no way back in. If it does, head to Special:UserLogin, enter the username and click "E-mail new password". Sorry, I'll get off Keeper's page now :/ <span style="border:1px solid #20406F;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;"> Alex Muller  11:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Then that ends this experiment. So I have but one favor to ask of Keeper, could you please re-delete the old talk page? You should know what I mean. -- Thanks for the help Alex :-) John Sloan (talk) 13:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Keeper    76  14:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I was hoping for some salvage from it, but if a scramble can't be fixed, it can't be fixed! Since its lost, can it also be creation protected? - Again, many thanks for all your wonderful help! John Sloan (talk) 14:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's fully protected now as well, meaning until you pass an RFA, you, or any non-admin, won't be able to recreate it. If you want it to be a redirect again so someone from an old conversation can find you, let me know - I can make it a "protected" redirect.  Keeper    76  14:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Keeper! (PS: RfA + me = never!) :-) John Sloan (talk) 15:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey mate, just a question
you told me to ask if i needed help. there is an article i want to create, one on a kid called daniel pacheco, a 17 year old liverpool soccer player, and when i go to make it, is says it is under protection, so i cannot, and i want to be able to create it so i request for unprotection, and when im on that page i do not understand actually how to request, can you explain how to me, thankyou skippy11 also mate i also want to create an article on a guy called Stephen Darby, a Liverpool Soccer player in the first team and he should have an article. how exactly can i create an article, because i type stephen darby in and it gets redirected, then i click search and let it load and then type it in, and it comes up with like 200 suggestions but no way to create an article, thankyou, Skippy11 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skippy11 (talk • contribs) 07:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I just left you a lengthy reply on your talkpage. You're an interesting dude... Keeper    76  14:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Little Boy Games
It's a significant developer in that they've received a lot of mainstream press and won an award. JAF1970 (talk) 13:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I agree that one is borderline, I should've declined the speedy deletion.  I'm not convinced that they are notable enough for Wikipedia, but the article did at least assert that they were.  Apologies for that JAF, I went too fast.  I've userfied the article at User:JAF1970/Little Boy Games, is there anything else that can be added to it to expand it beyond the stub that it is?  I'd be happy to help you get it out of your userspace.   Keeper    76  14:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm keeping an eye on future content. JAF1970 (talk) 18:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, did a redirect and a short company description on the Go! Go! Break Steady page. JAF1970 (talk) 19:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah excellent! I just moved the article back to mainspace (to preserve the history) and then re-redirected it to the section you put it in.  Excellent work!   Keeper    76  19:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Psychic
LOL. Tan      39  14:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I L'ed MAO at GB's "resolved" tag....too much, too much.... Keeper   76  15:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:AN3 request for talk page stalkers with the bit
Hey, I reported a user for violating the three revert rule last night and there still isn't a resolution over at the 3RR noticeboard. I know this isn't the admin help desk, but I figured someone with phenomenal cosmic powers could tidy this one up. Since 3RR blocks are ostensibly to prevent damage from edit warring, the window has kind of passed. Perhaps, closing it without a block but placing a warning on his talk page acknowledging that he was edit warring? Protonk (talk) 15:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I was just looking into this, looks like User:Stifle summed it up nicely. I don't like "protected pages" of what are ostensibly "current" articles (meaning things can change, sources can improve, what have you), but it is what it is.  I'm very much looking forward to the election being over.  If I see one more ANI thread that has "Obama" in it.... Keeper    76  15:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, then we'll have the November/December "ZOMG, the election was a conspiracy" articles. Protonk (talk) 15:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think I can personally survive another Bush v Gore - at least not survive as an admin/editor. Can you imagine the page history of that article had that event actually happened during Wikipedia's existence?  I shudder.... Keeper    76  15:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Dude, if something like that happens in this election, we may actually have to, for the first time, revert every edit made on the entire site back to a certain time period. Either that, or full-protect every page that even remotely involves the election, or America in general. Jdelanoy Main talk 15:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No way, maaaaan. You're just trying to hide the truth!  you can't censor us!  We should just ignore all rules and replace the 2008 elections page with a message about how we are all controlled by corporations.  SHEEEEPLE!......*shudder* Protonk (talk) 16:00, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I flew to London the night the election was decided in December. I can't tell you the razzing I got. If we go through anything like that again I'll scream loudly enough that George Washington will hear me. TravellingCari  16:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Damiens.rf
This user needs to be blocked immediately. He is stalking our good friend Blofeld's uploads. See the image rationale at Image:Soe Win2.jpg and decide for yourself. And yet, he submitted an IFD report. He is refusing to communicate with Blofeld other than templated messages. He is even making fun of Blofeld's (admittingly) bad spelling at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Copywright Paranoia, which is simply Blofeld's essay on why it is wrong. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 20:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll look into this, but I am far far from an expert on image/image deletion. And its admittedly, not admittingly :-), but I love the irony).  Right off the bat, I don't see anything that is "blockable" persay (admins have their hands cuffed in many ways that editors don't fully appreciate).  I'll look into it EotW, really I will.  I've got about 2 hours online here today.  Keeper    76  21:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

(inserted comment) Keeper, it is per se, not persay. :D KillerChihuahua?!? 21:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ah, silly murderous puppy. I was hoping no one would catch that.  You need to immediately add yourself to the top thread of this talkpage titled "a simple request", you talkpage stalker... Keeper    76  21:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * no, if I type very small, no one will notice and it doesn't count. Really. KillerChihuahua?!? 13:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keeper, mind pawning this off to an uninvolved admin who does email, I'm involved, but there is some stuff worth hearing privately.  MBisanz  talk 21:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * By all means, MBisanz. By all means.  Email whomever you wish, and receive emails from whomever you wish, or delegate, or whatever (any volunteers with image experience??? Giggy, are you still out there???)  I'll simply be reading and checking on-wiki histories.  I won't post anywhere in regards to this issue for 24-48 hours, to let the email "trail" come to some sort of fruition, if necessary.   Keeper    76  21:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This seems to be a followup to the mass IfD for FU images that Damiens did earlier. Blofeld took issue with the nominations and a back and forth has ensued.  I'm not sure who added the troll pictures and wikilinks to his page, but that doesn't seem to be the work of users pure as the driven snow.  also, Editor, are you planning on letting him know he's being discussed here? Protonk (talk) 21:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This isn't an "official" noticeboard. EotW came here for an opinion, from an admin, and is under no obligation to "let Damien know" about it.   Keeper    76  21:11, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec) We just need to get this user to stop harassing Blofeld. If anybody, he would know about imae/image licensing since he attended a class in it. (He got bored and did not receive a certificate or anything, but still...) Blocking may be only one mechanism. Reply to Protonk Yes, I plan on telling Blofeld about this right after I post this. Reply to Keeper This isn't an official noticeboard? Strange... :) --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 21:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I know there isn't an official requirement, but it seems unfair to talk about someone and not give them a heads up. Protonk (talk) 21:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But I talk about you all the time! Would you like a notice next time? :-)  Keeper    76  21:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Notarized. In triplicate. Protonk (talk) 21:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, free image found, move on with your lives. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 21:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Does this solve the underlying issues? Are there underlying issues?  Let me (or User:MBisanz via email) know!   Keeper    76  21:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Being a prior involved editor, I doubt it solves the underlying issues, just before anyone does something drastic, like blocking the fellow, I'd appreciate a ping or something (just a request, not a demand) because there are other facts to the situation.  MBisanz  talk 21:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries, MBisanz, I won't be blocking anyone over this anytime soon, Damiens included. And unless you decide to block someone, I can't imagine anyone getting blocked.  I have no idea what's going on here, I don't know the "other facts", nor do I want to.  Another example of exactly why I do not want, and never will have, email enabled.  I just don't care enough about this place, and I am simply not paid enough to motivate me.  Cheers!   Keeper    76  21:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

No I don't think he qualifies for a block which wouldn't solve anything in the long term other than temporarily giving me some peace as he equally believed he was doing what was right even if he is going about it the wrong way by picking on isolated images rather than on our general policy. However, one thing's for sure I don't like the thought of this editor watching every move I make and being there to delete things within minutes of uploading. Five or six deletions in just a few days and half of them withing minutes of uploading seems inappropriate. The Bald One      White cat 21:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It certainly never feels good to feel "watched", I agree, and I find it unfortunate that (on first impression) it appears that damien is watching your every move. I hope that's not the case, because that would be a perfect example of trolling/stalking.  He thinks he's right though, as you said, whether he is or not is "up for grabs".  Personally I feel he is over-zealous and a bit legalistic.  Again though, that's a first impression, I haven't dug deep enough.  Keep doing what you do best though baldy, don't worry about the wiki-police (you never have, why start now???).  This place would be exponentially dumber without you here, don't let a little straw break your back.   Keeper    76  21:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've found that you get used to the wiki-police watching your every move, so I agree with Keeper. Keep on doing what you keep on doing Blofeld. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys. What concerns me is that I've spent the last hour trying to find out exactly what he thinks is a valid rationale when I could have created 50 new Nepal town articles by now! I don't think he realises what I do on here and thinks I have time to fuss. I understand he is concerned about non free content and respect for payment of images but he still hasn't explained why he thinks certain images are not acceptable. Even if I had added every respect to the copywright under the sun and reasons why we are permitted to use it he would have rmeoved it. This Wiki-lawyering is so time consuming. At least I found a free image in that circumstance. I sincerely hope i can log in tomorrow and not see 10 new images up for the chop as I won't be best pleased. The Bald One       White cat 22:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Kitia
He's not me. Kitia took the disruptive approach to editing, while I try to be as civil as possible in all situations. Kitia never wrote anything major, while I have 1 FA, 2 FACs, and 5 Gas to my name. It's just a coincidence. I have followed Kitia's edits since I encountered him in the DRV, so I found out about his involvement in supercentenarian-related articles. I decided I wanted to give it a better image than a project that produced many blocks (Ryoung122 (indef), Bart Versieck (many times) and NealIRC (a month (later) but never returned)) so I wrote Lazare Ponticelli, who had recently died, as an experiment. Eventually I decided to work on other things, but I do plan to return to the project someday. I also have a feeling that the user that has been vandalising my userpage is part of the sock system that accused me in the first place. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 22:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind words. Sometimes I do use this as my ANI as it is much more lighthearted than the regular one, hence the above posting! And because you are THE BEST admin I have yet encountered. I undertand that myspacing is incurable, but still.... --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 22:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, I'm about the most "myspacey" admin that you could find. :-). There is no way possible that I would pass an "RFA" in today's environment.  I passed through relatively unscathed in a cold, dreary January week, 2008.  I wouldn't pass today.  Glad you find me to be "the best", I would dispute that claim however. :-) I don't do "article building", other than the random copyediting/CSd salvage job, but still, your opinion is heartwarming and appreciated. :)  Keeper    76  22:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh you're no fun.

 * mutters to himself Half  Shadow  23:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Bah... there's no muttering to oneself here, there is always someone else listening... - Adolphus79 (talk) 00:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Foot editor?
I know there was something on AN/ANI of late about a foot obsessed editor but I cannot for the life of me figure out these posts to my talk. I asked, but the answer didn't make much sense. Anyone make heads or tales of this? I'm guessing an alt account of someone, other than the one declared, but I haven't the foggiest. Other than having two attached to my ankles (cue, foot bone connected to the ankle bone...) I have no interest in feet. Help? TravellingCari 03:35, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * User_talk:Spartaz This may help. Protonk (talk) 03:38, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks, suppose I may have blocked one of those. Can't be assed looking, though. Is it horrid that I'm hoping this one does something blockable to make it go away? o:) TravellingCari  03:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * scanned my log, not in the last 1000 edits going back to July 18th. Oh well. Thanks! TravellingCari  03:48, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not if you don't think it is horrible that I have to resist the urge to block (as if I have the tools here) whenever I see someone acting “hinky" like that. Protonk (talk) 03:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Football
I know Keeper & Co. are into baseball, but are any of the TPSers football fans? If so, who's your team? I'm a die-hard, paint-my-face-every-Sunday Detroit Lions fan. This means you must feel sorry for me. Tan     39  03:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * College ball here, mainly. Can't wait--it's almost here.  Sorry about Detroit.  :) Antandrus  (talk) 03:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, you didn't watch your state have weeks of apoplexy over a retired quarterback who should have faded off into the distance and have to join a team where he might look young by comparison. Protonk (talk) 03:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm a hometown girl, influenced by having met a "star" when I was in fifth grade and then a bunch of others when they came to play a charity game at my high school. And no, pre-season play doesn't worry me. Losing Osi does, but I think it's surmountable. TravellingCari  03:45, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Finally, a sport worth talking about!!! (/me ducks) Bucks, Bucs, and Gators here... - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I follow the real football and i'm proud (despite last nights result) to call myself a Bolton Wanderers F.C. supporter! John Sloan (talk) 13:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This is a baseball page until I say it isn't. Baseball until October, then 2-4 weeks of intense emotional despondence, then Thanksgiving - a holiday designed to increase levels of intense emotional despondence by adding family and fatty foods to it.  Then a football game (I always watch the Detroit one tan, never the pretty boys), then I enjoy football.  I'm pretty sure I'm a Vikings fan, but that gets weaker and weaker every year.  Last year, I very much enjoyed watching them collapse - it's so predictable.  Keeper    76  14:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This cobra is all about the New England Patriots. :) Glass  Cobra  14:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd respond to this, but you are all clearly talking about the wrong kind of football! ~ mazca  t 14:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I could be fresh and say "18-1" but I won't, because then Sox fans would rightfully boo ARod. Hell I was booing ARod. Keep, Thanksgiving is a national holiday in honor of yours truly. It's all about b-day cake. TravellingCari  14:27, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh. Patriots.  They lost the superbowl.  Ruined a perfectly good season.  Heh.  Patriots.  Should of spent more money/time videotaping, the cheating didn't quite cut the mustard. Patriots.  And TCari, I didn't realize how old you were, what with Lincoln declaring your birth to be celebrated.  Heh.  Patriots.   Keeper    76  14:34, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, yep, Patriots. I was watching the Superbowl with a group of friends consisting of one Giants fan, and all the rest of us Pats diehards. Very one-sided celebrating when the game was over. Glass  Cobra  18:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I thought the Superbowl was a perfect ending for the Pats. Tan      39  18:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. Patriots.   Keeper    76  18:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

(outdent, colon farm) Yeah, I'm a relic :p Was nice in Japan, their "Thanksgiving" (really our Labour Day) is always on the 23rd so I didn't have to depend on it maybe being a holiday. Unfortunately that also meant there were usually no happy hours to be found. And Tan, I have to say I agree with your assessment. Sorry Cobra. PS: Keep, who gave you permission tochange your sig? I don't recall that we were consulted :o  TravellingCari  19:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Go read the thread titled "Your comment" just below. A very lucid discussion about whether "7" is the same thing as "seven".  Apparently it isn't.  So I changed my sig for a few head-hitting-a-brick-wall posts.  I'm back to normal now... Keeper    76  19:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked at it earlier, and then my head exploded. I think it would explode further if I had any context. 7 of course only means 87 in representation of a Twins' win. At least I think it was '87 and '91, too lazy to look it up. TravellingCari  19:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Would you also like me to put food inside your mouth, and gently move your jaw up and down for you? I looked it up.  Yep.  We won.  Although, I'm thinking about moving that article to Nineteen-Eighty-Seven World Series... Keeper    76  19:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, that lead needs help. The 1987 World Series was played between the Minnesota Twins and the St. Louis Cardinals, with both cities located on the banks of the Mississippi River. Wow, minutiae much?
 * This was the first year Major League Baseball used this particular World Series logo. Which one? Oh that one that has been deleted/removed? Right, that one. I remember the '87 series, remember '86 more when Dad called me into the den to tell me I was about to see history. And then Buckner. TravellingCari  19:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I remember them calling the series "the series on the river" or some other nonsense to pump ratings ("series by the bay", "subway series", blah blah blah....I'm just really hoping this year isn't the Windy city series...I would clean up that article, but I definitely have a POV/COI. I'd end up blocking people for daftitude.   Keeper    76  19:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Series by the bay but unfortunate since didn't the whole series have to be postponed due to damage to Candlestick Park and the Bay Bridge? If it's a Windy Series, I'm going Cubs all the way. Can't root for another AL team and the Mutts will choke I'm sure. I stay away from some articles, too much edit warring. I like my obscure articles. No one edit wars on museums and landmarks.  TravellingCari  20:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The Shapiros10 likes the Patriots...(the Shapiros10 will continue to talk in 3rd person until threatened with a block).19:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shapiros10 (talk • contribs)
 * The Shapiros10 needs to sign his comments with four tildes... Keeper   76  19:33, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Did somebody say "football"? --Endlessdan 19:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope. Still baseball. Yer seeing things, I'm not ready for you yet..... Keeper    76  19:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Baseball aye? I thought the season was cancelled? --Endlessdan 19:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The Shapiros10 sticks it to the man. Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  20:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Football? Oh, I am looking forward to the World Cup in South Africa in two years. :P Ecoleetage (talk) 23:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm only looking forward to South Africa 2010 if England actually manage to qualify! John Sloan (talk) 23:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

in reply
yeah i know ive been silly mate, i wont do it again his liverpool profile http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/squad/pacheco/ and liverpools first team squad http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/squad/ (down the bottom) thanks for the help mate, wikipedia is difficult —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skippy11 (talk • contribs) 09:41, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That diff proves why Pacheco does not have and should not have a Wikipedia article (yet). It says he's played in exactly zero games.  Nice looking kid, bucketloads of talent, will have an article here to worry about soon enough,  but not yet.  If/when he plays a game, shoot me a message.   Keeper    76  15:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

ok thanks mate —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skippy11 (talk • contribs) 06:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Change of block duration
Hi -- just to let you know that I extended your block here. Sam Korn (smoddy) 11:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No problemo - figured as much.  Keeper    76  14:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Lang
User talk:Dr. B. R. Lang - fair, or a bit too harsh? I think we need to be firm and ensure we don't imply loopholes where none exist, and steer him towards something that will avoid strife. Guy (Help!) 15:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I give that a 9.5 out of 10. Well done!  His vanity page is gone (and should be), he has clear directions, I'm hoping that he better understands what Wikipedia is all about.  Buy a frame for that one, though, it's a keeper :-)  (the irony)...  Keeper    76  15:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool. Thanks for that much-needed boost :-) Guy (Help!) 15:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Groan. Look at his subsequent contributions. Guy (Help!) 16:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, he's gotten his feelings pinched a bit, a bit of an ego dent as well I presume. This diff is very disheartening.  I'm not sure he'll be able to see past his own article, I hope he will in the next few days come to see reason. He's certainly not doing anything blockable, just mildly annoying and disappointing.  Sigh.   Keeper    76  16:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Bollywood
"Superhero" LOL he makes it sounds like it is all based on Spider man or something. How many times has he been reverted now?. Sigh sigh  The Bald One       White cat 17:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hooray for Wikipedia!!! (see above thread, I'm losing my marbles at the moment...) Keeper    Seventy-six  18:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Lang? LOL he did congratulate me for my work on Laotian history so I have to give that to him. DOn't understand the military thing though. He seems quite proud of something. I wonder if he is telling the truth  The Bald One       White cat 18:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Lang is tame. I meant this thread.  Hooray for Wikipedia!!!  Keeper    Seventy-six  18:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL! Great picture!  A superhero yes.  But, is that an action scene or a romantic scene?  It sure is dramatic!  Because I've read somewhere that Bollywood films have action, drama, and romance. :-)  Keeper    Seventy-six  18:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

If Mr Thread hates wikipedia and us all so much he wouldn't be wasting his time complaining about it on here anyway and would be out chasin moons all night long but in a completely teetotal fashion eh?. Or perhaps he has some "real" stone castles to build in Norman style stone for stone that doesn't stand a mickey mouse's chance of being washed away? Ha you have to like me umor  The Bald One       White cat 18:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Note
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 * The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Thanks for the message! Two hungry mouths to feed now! I had a quick look on my blackberry yesterday - I gather User:PeterSymonds and some others resigned the bit? Account sharing or something? It's not easy to browse on Opera mini - have you go the link to the discussion so I can take a look? Pedro : Chat  20:34, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The crux of it is now at arbcom. Basically,  gained access to the admin accounts of  and  (now named ), and did admin actions with the accounts, signing as either peter or chet.  Whole lot of mudslinging and apologizing, PS and Chet resigned their bits.  I mostly stayed out of it this time.  There was a lengthy ANI thread or three, of course, not sure where they've landed or if they're archived yet....sad really.  Keeper    76  20:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Peter was an admin nomination of mine. Okay, I'll go digging if I have a mo to review it as I like to keep up. Shame. Pedro : Chat  20:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (EC)In case Keeper missed it, Steve and his wife are banned pending future communication with Arbcom at a later date and his account has a wikibreak enforcer in place. The only open question left is if Coffee and Peter need permission from Arbcom to run for RFA in the future.  MBisanz  talk 20:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Matt Pedro : Chat
 * Yeah, Keeper missed that part too. Purposefully avoiding it, just staring at the car wreck from the shoulder of the road.... Keeper    76  20:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * MBisanz, I was not aware that Steve was actually banned. AFAIK, he was just put on forced Wikibreak by Neil for a while. Glass  Cobra  20:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I didn't want to open old wounds - my error - I can find the links. Cheers chaps. Pedro : Chat  20:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * (EC) I always liked Steve and Peter (was not aware of Chet). Its a real shame what happend! -- To Pedro, congrads on the new baby! :-) -- To Keeper, if at any time my talk page stalking gets on your nerves. Please feel free to hit me with a big trout! :D John Sloan (talk) 20:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (EC) re to Pedro: I found the link, it's mostly here.  Keeper    76  20:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ta. Let's close this one up TPS'ers ? Pedro : Chat  21:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Ugh, politics
Media Matters for America can someone protect the wrong version on this page to keep some people from being blocked for warring over something really, really dumb? I'd go to RFPP but then the page would be protected about the time of the innaguration. Thanks. Protonk (talk) 23:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You want the wrong version protected? Useight (talk) 23:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The Wrong Version Protonk (talk) 23:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay, got it. Humor. Sorry, I'm not very good at getting jokes when I'm starving to death. It's after 5pm and all I've eaten today was a bowl of cereal this morning. I'm getting food. Useight (talk) 23:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Anyone really like cars?
RM Classic Car Auction

It's a colossal mess that's crying for fixing because the company appears notable. In the mean time it's a spammy, OR, nNPOV mess. Who's up for fixing it? I know some here like challenges. Hell I love challenges but I don't speak car. Anyone? TravellingCari 21:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I love cars! I drive one!  I wish it would continue to work when I needed it....beyond that, yeah, this one's (also) for the stalkers.... Keeper    76  21:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I visited my baby this weekend when I went to my mom's place. I miss it. That said, I'm getting heaps more exercise without it. Thanks stalkers :) TravellingCari  22:01, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Cars suck. Waste gas. Pollute.  Filled with posers on their mobile phones.  A motorcycle is a real vehicle.  Although they might not work out so well in Wayzata.  :)   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 22:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly. "Scooters" do not work well where I live, or where I commute to from where I live.  Never will, being "midwestern" and all.  Or "y'all", whichever floats yer boat.  I'm also increasingly curious how your brain is pronouncing Wayzata, btw.... Keeper    76  22:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Scooters, ah the memories they bring back.[[Image:Mod_style_Lambretta_scooters.jpg|right|thumb|Two highly accessorized "mod-style" [[Lambretta]] scooters]]

Scooters work well here but they and their riders frighten me. I prefer my own two feets, aided when necessary by bus or subway. TravellingCari 13:20, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

You changed your mind? Good job! TravellingCari 19:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ssssHHH!!!! Don't let anyone know that I actually attempt to improve articles, now and then.  I didn't notice your post here (and honestly, was hoping no one would notice me sneaking in and revamping that article).  Can't say it's perfect yet, because I'd be lying if I did, but thanks, I suppose for noticing :-).  That was one ugly MF article.... Keeper    76  19:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I had watchlisted it to thank whoever took on the herculean task of nuking the crap from it. :) PS: Watching Yankee rewind right now. TravellingCari  00:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yankee rewind? So, you don't want me to tell you that they lost to their rivals by a score of 11-3 last night?   Keeper    76  01:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for SocialPicks
An editor has asked for a deletion review of SocialPicks. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. <i style="color:green;">lifebaka</i>++ 00:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * added comment there, thanks Lifebaka.  Keeper    76  21:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Because, sometimes, you need to Ignore All Rules
As you may have noticed, I enjoy injecting humour, bad puns and assorted silliness about this site. Today, the laughter stopped when I came upon something on Wikipedia that made me cry -- both the story of the child within the article and the notion that someone would want to erase that story. It is in the AfD section and this is it:. I am not a fan of WP:IAR, but in this case I think all rules (and I mean all) need to be put aside to make an exception. See for yourself and, if you can, do the right thing by ignoring the rules in this case. You'll understand what I mean when you read the AfD and the article in question. Thanks. Ecoleetage (talk) 01:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. :-) Ecoleetage (talk) 14:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Yorkshirian
Hello there! Yorkshirian has taken his strop to a new level today. The guy was up in the dead of night making distruptive changes to the last twenty or so articles I'd editted, with bogus summaries. Yes, all reverted and blocked and tagged as socks in around 5 minutes, but I'd call that mental behaviour, and most definately harrassment.

If there's another round I think that's enough to warrent a range block. Can you advise? Is there a checkuser you could recommend to take a look at the size of the range? --<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">Jza84 | Talk  11:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, how frustrating. The relentlessness is the most disturbing. I'm starting to recognize his work a bit more, I've blocked (or tried to block - someone usually is faster on the buttons) a couple.  As far as "recommending a checkuser", the only two that come to mind from experience are User:Alison and User:Thatcher.  Also User:Sam Korn is CU I think?   Keeper    76  14:04, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Quite. Very frustrating. I think this is most regrettable. Surely this isn't a simple case of a couple of socks to win over a vote for deletion - this is quite nasty, vindictive stuff. Sure I'm biased, but I think this needs escalating to a higher level, and don't really know who to turn to. I've loads of articles I want to work on, and this guy is stopping me. I've contacted User:Thatcher for an ip check, but I don't think people are feeling the bite quite how I am. --<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">Jza84 | Talk  17:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If York et al is right, you'd be hard pressed to get Thatcher to do a rangeblock for any extended period of time. Has this guy ever done anything good here?  I'm not suggesting anything other than that there is a person behind the edits somewhere, who is going about things completely and unobjectively wrong, but has he ever done anything right?  He is relentless, and according to your diff (the "absolute evil" one), he doesn't think he's doing anything wrong.  He is doing many many things wrong, and each new throwaway account that pops up makes it worse and worse.  Did he ever do anything right?  His massive trolling and attacking are unacceptable, but is there a way to get him to settle on one account, or is it too far past that now? These are honest questions, I'm certainly not defending his actions, but they have to stop - and unfortunately the only way perhaps to stop them is to engage him beyond RBI (which usually works, and I would say always works, eventually - but as you've seen there is usually also friendly fire, and usually other casualties of constant war).  I'd hate to see you go over this.  Yorkshirian, I'm 99% positive that you are reading this.  What is your white flag moment?  Post here, I won't block you.  What the fuck do you want?  Keeper    76  17:16, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Before he does, I think it's fair to point out that he forfeit his right to edit following his (2nd) arbcase, where he had a fair hearing and it was decided he was not fit to edit and not welcome for one year owing to the mass harm he does to WP. I was willing to compromise on a RFC, it didn't happen. I was willing to compromise at his RFA, he didn't want it. He was banned for one year (I would've been happy with a committment to behave, or failing that a 6 month ban), but he edit warred with socks and continued with his campaign (against others). And now we're at this silly spot now - I mean, he thinks that bullying and threats is going to help his cause? Come on. He's just not welcome anymore - he's had enough chances, and scared too many good users away. He needs to realise this is not Yorkipedia and he can't hold the community to randsom. --<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">Jza84 | Talk  17:24, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm unaware of the vast majority of that history. Do you have links to past arbcom stuff?  I realize he's been "formally banned", I'm not advocating that he can simply start editing again because he agrees to edit with one account.  I'd like to read the arbcom - do you have an easy to find link?   Keeper    76  17:30, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I found the link to the arbcom. I'm sure its exciting reading, I'll go there now :-)  Keeper    76  17:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keeper, I simply want to be allowed to content edit, under one account and be left alone to get on with my contributing without being baited into heated disputes. That is all. I would much prefer to be doing that constructive effort, than all of "this" war of the last few days with the millions of sockpuppets, believe me. Jza could have chose to get on with his editing, but he decided to seek out socks thats were simply contributing work. And so now there is relentless war. - Yks Response (talk) 17:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You realize you are banned from editing Wikipedia though? That has nothing to do with Jza.  You are banned.  By Arbcomm.  Indefinitely.  As in not welcome here.  Every time you show up again, with a new account, you pound another nail in the proverbial coffin.  There is no war.  Wikipedia is <---that way, Yorkshirian needs to go >.  This is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit.  Thank you for your past contributions, some of which are perhaps positive contributions.  You've done too many wrongs right now, and are not welcome to continue to edit.  If, in your mind, that means you get to "war" with others, you are very wrong.  You need to simply go away.  Tell me why that isn't an option to you.  What is the obsession?  Why can't you just let it go?   Keeper    76  17:41, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I was pushed off the site, because of Jza in the first place (if you read the report) and his incessant bureaucracising any time he disagreed with me. I refuse to simply be bullied off from contributing to something as important as WP just because of that. As WP:IAR says "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it." I'm here to improve content on the things I'm interested in, IAR is the laid down policy and I'm following it. If left alone that is all I would be doing, but no, some people would rather there be war and games. As I said I'm a content guy, not here for the "behind the scenes" brown nosing and games part. Anyway I've said what you wanted me to. Either way I'll still be here, if people wanna play Sherlock Holmes and waste time "seeking me out", catching one every now and again then that says more about them and their focus in the project than me. - Ykssterrr (talk) 17:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you honestly suggesting that Jza, acting alone, was able to convince a unanimous governing body, that you should be banned? That's the angle you're taking?   Keeper    76  18:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He's ignoring this. Instead, look how he's spending his time. --<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">Jza84 | Talk  19:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Quite. After you had reverted the addition of work after stalking me, yet again. You won't "beat" me James. If you continue to follow me and attempt to piss me off by purging work, you'll continue to get a reaction and it will be stronger each time. Learn to leave me alone and theres no problem. - The Legend Speaks (talk) 19:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * York, you are banned. Go away, you are not welcome here.  Appeal to arbcom if you feel you been served an injustice.  I will block on sight until I'm convinced that you have had your ban lifted from Arbcom.   Keeper    76  19:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Probably best to not reply to him anymore, WP:DENY and all that jazz. Tan     39  19:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I know you're right tan, my first advice to Jza was revert, block ignore, but this guy is absolutely exasperating. I don't want to lose any more editors over his relentless attacks.  I tried to engage him, he simply said "I'm going to continue on the path that I'm on", and so, yeah, you're right.  Block on sight, +admin TPS-ers.   Keeper    76  19:54, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that range block is a bad idea? This is getting a little irksome. :S --<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">Jza84 | Talk  20:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That really is up to a CU. I don't know the size of the range, nor do I have any expertise in the matter (I've never blocked a range).  Have you heard back from Thatcher yet?   Keeper    76  20:11, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid not. He/She has been editting since I left a post, so I presume it's not something she's willing or able to take some time out for at the moment. I can appreciate that, these CUs must get loads of requests. I wonder why the account block isn't autoblocking Yorkie's ip though... strange. Perhaps I could/should ask User:Alison? Unless, that is, you have good relations with her or another CU who owes you a favour?... Desperate times and all... :S --<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">Jza84 | Talk  20:16, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You can try User:Sam Korn or User:Alison, but you probably won't get very far. The problem is, York's IP changes it seems hourly.  So "autoblocking", or "softblocking" are not effective, and York knows it.  Right now, unless Thatcher, et al, says differently, RBI is the option.  He's banned, it was unanimous at Arbcom, and I will support you (and anyone else) in rooting out his socks and banning them, one at a time.  Very frustrating, but it "comes with the job" I'm afraid.  Don't lose any sleep over it. His posts are harmless throwaway posts, they are easily identifiable, and they are easily and justifiably blocked.  Focus on the ignore part.   Keeper    76  20:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh his comments are no sweat. This guy is just incredibly distruptive - always has been. The trouble is, if he always will be.
 * There's a particular bunch of articles Yorkie's targeting, er, tonight (or today where you are based!):
 * Olney, Buckinghamshire
 * Talk:Scotland
 * Heywood, Greater Manchester
 * Oswestry ‎
 * History of Milton Keynes ‎
 * Hollinwood‎
 * UK Film Council‎
 * Henry Taylor (swimmer)
 * Kinnaird, Atholl
 * Ricky Hatton
 * They just happen to be the last twenty or so articles I editted. Others he's targetted include one's User:Nev1 I have been more closely involved with:
 * Neilston
 * Manchester
 * Second city of the United Kingdom
 * Sale, Greater Manchester
 * Finally, Yorkie likes to particularly own the following:
 * Yorkshire
 * History of Yorkshire
 * Beverley
 * Ripon
 * Descendants of Charles I of England
 * His commons account (or at least one of them) goes by the name User:Thomas Gun. In the meantime, I'll try and seek a CU. --<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">Jza84 | Talk  20:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * First, let me know how the CU thing goes, I'd be surprised if there is a range block, but you never know. I'll watchlist each of the pages you've linked here, if for no reason other than you shouldn't feel isolated in your reverting of this banned user.  that's the last thing I want is for you to feel that you are fighting "one-on-one".  You are not the bad guy here, Jza.  Any other talkpage stalkers, feel free to watchlist anything listed here that you feel up to watchlisting, and report here, on Jza's talkpage, or elsewhere, when you see a suspicious post?  I appreciate it, as I'm sure Jza does as well.  And York (yes, I know you are still reading this), you won't win.  Wikipedia is so much bigger than your demented perception of what you think Wikipedia should be.  Goodbye, and good riddance.  You will be blocked. You will be reverted.  And you will not be welcomed, in any form, with any username, and for any reason, unless Arbcom lifts your ban.  Buh-bye.  You are history, you are not welcome, and you will be beaten.   Keeper    76  20:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This link is useful for watching Yorkshire related articles. Yesterday he targeted some articles I'd been working on recently, but then turned his attentions to Jza again. Any idea how long the CU will take? Nev1 (talk) 20:41, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Moving
Now starts the stunningly dull questions. I've been asked to move All Hope Is Gone (album) to All Hope is Gone, over a redirect by. It does not appear to be a controversial move (after I looked at a list of requested moves. Should it be asked on the article's talk page nonetheless by GaryKing? I've worked with Gary King at FAC, and he's quite competent. Don't do it for me! I won't learn it that way. --Moni3 (talk) 17:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well my suggestion would be it looks ok, but the album in {Album) should probably be lower case.  MBisanz  talk 17:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It is. I had to post before I proofed my question. --Moni3 (talk) 18:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree with MBisanz. Looks perfectly valid and sane to do the move.  Let me know when you are done with it, I'll "assign" a grade to your proficiency :-)   Keeper    76  18:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Peering out of one eye* Did I break anything? --Moni3 (talk) 18:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * OMGZ!!! TEH WIKIZ IZ CRASHEDED!!! - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Err, it went to All Hope Is Gone instead of All Hope is Gone. Not sure if that was what you intended :)  Gazi moff  18:41, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Or should we say "all hope is gone! all hope is gone!  what have we done!  all hope is gone!"  fixable problem, go to it, Moni.  :-)  Keeper    76  18:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Capitalization is correct. Gary <b style="color:#02b;">King</b> ( talk ) 18:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (e/c)Yeah, Moni did it right! I just searched, and found this Amazon listing that confirms that Moni is still a genius.  :-)   Keeper    76  18:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Per this rule (dude, I totally looked it up...) I guess Gary and I were both right. --Moni3 (talk) 18:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, fine. Moni 1.  Me 0.  :-).  I had to look it up too :-).  All hope is certainly not gone.  (but I bet you were nervous for a second or two there...just wait until you have to decide whether to actually block another human being from editing or not....I almost wet myself the first time :-)   Keeper    76  19:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Feel like a CE?
Hey, any interest in giving Shojo Beat a copyedit? I'd like to send it up for GA, but it needs a checking over first. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 01:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going offline any minute, but I'd be happy to look at it tomorrow. What's your timeline?  Is it already at GA nomination?  Any issues besides basic grammar?   Keeper    76  01:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No major hurry. I haven't nominated it yet. Should mostly be just grammar and maybe minor MoS things I may have missed. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 01:48, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Your comment
I will tell you straight out that I would never contribute here but for the fact that it wikipedia is used so widely. I have never seen such a group of hostile and narrow minded people, and there is something toxic in how being an editor affects some people, and expecially administrators. This is dangerously close to an online asylum.

First off, "Mystical 7", seven is a number. "Mystical Seven", seven is a collective noun. Entirely different concepts. That's it. There's nothing you or I can do to change it.

Second, I have never threatened anybody. I do not write things like "keep it up and you'll get blocked", "You're about to get it" or anything of the kind. I never have. Those are threats. Those other clowns posted garbage like that all the time. And it's not like I am scared of them, but I get ad hominem threats from them and argue content back. The fact that you and they were allowed to get off another round of baseless attacks before the conversation was shut off is a little annoying.

Today, these two rolled across the topic and start an edit war about a topic, I can guarantee, that they have no idea what they're talking about, and who, it is clear from their posts, they haven't read even what's been posted on these pages at wikipedia. I can't be responsible for their stupidity.

But they're not the issue. They're effectively the equivalent of static. And that's the problem. Everything here is static. It's silent, but the whole place is raging with static. It's an encyclopedia edited by the stupidest half-drunk louts in any bar.

And, let's say you're reasonable and intelligent and sensible. If so, I feel sorry for you, because all I did was glance at your user page, and it's clear that you've been spending way too many hours building sand castles. Unless you're a homebound invalid, and this is all you can do, then you're wasting your time. It's still August, go outside and see the moon rise or something.Thaïs Alexandrina (talk) 03:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You are the first person, ever, to come to an online forum in order to tell someone that they are wasting their time on an online forum. Gratz. Protonk (talk) 04:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Also the first person ever to try to convince me that "7" is different than "seven". That's a first.  I mean 1st.  As for the rest of your rant, you are absolutely 100% correct in your assumptions about me.  To use your words, I'm "reasonable, intelligent, sensible, sorry, homebound, invalid, half-drunk, hostile, narrow-minded and a little annoying".  All very true.  Except the half-drunk.  I'm actually ½-drunk.   Keeper    76  14:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "That's a first. I mean 1st." I lol'd.  Glass  Cobra  14:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

"the first person ever to try to convince me that `7` is different than `seven`", I can't speak to the literary quality of the circles you run in. In "The Magnificent Seven" it's clear that the number 7 is not considered magnificent, but the saeven members are, in "Ocean's Eleven", is the number 11 Ocean's? Or his eleven friends? In the Mystical 7, it IS the number being referred to, not some seven people. Thaïs Alexandrina (talk) 14:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * My circles have very good literary quality. Or very well, or whatever.  Your circles, on the other hand, are just that, circles.  You're running yourself into circles, and making me dizzy just trying to watch.  If someone comes to Wikipedia and wants to learn about a secret society called Mystical Seven, there are equally likely to type either Mystical Seven or Mystical 7.  Seven is Seven, is 7 is 7 is seven, in any literary circle. And since there are two groups, we have a disambiguation page so that whatever someone types, we can get them to the right page.  Pray tell, where does Ocean's 11 redirect to?  And why does it?  ( the answer is for the convenience of our readers, not for the convenience of the film(s) producer(s)... )  Keeper    76  14:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, first, I am not trying to win any arguments. I am opposed to changing anything. I think that the people who don't know what they're talking about should rule the day. I am not arguing for any position, but since you seem to be asking, I am only trying to explain it.

Second, you miss the issue, which is probably why it seems so simple to you. There is a disambig page between Mystical Seven and Mystical Seven. (One an intercollegiate fraternity and one a class society.) That's fine. (But it means your whole argument about it being necessary to have a disambig page is off base, ---as well as all the similar arguments on the Administrators notebook page. There is already a disambig page.) However, there is also a redirect from Mystical 7, that should go to the intercollegiate society, where it is relevant, not Missouri, where it is not.

Third, this "Seven is Seven, is 7 is 7 is seven, in any literary circle." is simply untrue, a collective noun is not a numeral. Look up a collective noun, look up numeral. They are different, there is a reason why they are different, and no amount of ardent declaration that they are the same will or can change that.

Fourth, what is amazing is that people for whom the distinction is imperceptible are the ones who can enforce their opinion by shouting others down. This little episode had nothing to do with the content at all, it was all about force. Hooray for wikipedia. Thaïs Alexandrina (talk) 17:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hooray for wikipedia!  Keeper    76  18:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And now, instead of another rant, please answer my question: Where does Ocean's 11 redirect to?  (to save you the effort, it redirects to Ocean's Eleven, a disambiguation page.  Mystical 7 redirects to a disambiguation page.  This is finished.  I'm not shouting, I'm a bit dumbfounded as to why you find this so so so important that you'll rant on and on, how many pages now?   Keeper    Seventy-six  18:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keeps, remember what I told you it was like before Awbrey was blocked? Imagine a year of this. – iride  scent  17:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hooray for wikipedia!  Keeper    Seventy-six  18:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Have your proxy answer things like this in future. – iride  scent  18:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, don't go there...I'm just now starting to foget about that silliness... Keeper   Seventy-six  18:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Silliness! Sir I demand...At vero eos et accusamus et iusto odio dignissimos ducimus qui blanditiis praesentium voluptatum deleniti atque corrupti quos dolores et quas molestias excepturi sint occaecati cupiditate non provident, similique sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollitia animi, id est laborum et dolorum fuga. Et harum quidem rerum facilis est et expedita distinctio. Nam libero tempore, cum soluta nobis est eligendi optio cumque nihil impedit quo minus id quod maxime placeat facere possimus, omnis voluptas assumenda est, omnis dolor repellendus. Temporibus autem quibusdam et aut officiis debitis aut rerum necessitatibus saepe eveniet ut et voluptates repudiandae sint et molestiae non recusandae. Itaque earum rerum hic tenetur a sapiente delectus, ut aut reiciendis voluptatibus maiores alias consequatur aut perferendis doloribus asperiores repellat.  At vero eos et accusamus et iusto odio dignissimos ducimus qui blanditiis praesentium voluptatum deleniti atque corrupti quos dolores et quas molestias excepturi sint occaecati cupiditate non provident, similique sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollitia animi, id est laborum et dolorum fuga. Et harum quidem rerum facilis est et expedita distinctio. Nam libero tempore, cum soluta nobis est eligendi optio cumque nihil impedit quo minus id quod maxime placeat facere possimus, omnis voluptas assumenda est, omnis dolor repellendus. Temporibus autem quibusdam et aut officiis debitis aut rerum necessitatibus saepe eveniet ut et voluptates repudiandae sint et molestiae non recusandae. Itaque earum rerum hic tenetur a sapiente delectus, ut aut reiciendis voluptatibus maiores alias consequatur aut perferendis doloribus asperiores repellat...something, something, proxy, RfC... Protonk (talk) 18:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL!!!! Keeper   Seventy-six  18:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Is it wrong of me to wish she would actually edit war so this could be posted on WP:LAME? Exploding Boy (talk)
 * Ahem S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 20:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Not moving in circles so much as heptagons perhaps, this editor changes direction slightly every time someone provides a counterargument, but never really gets anywhere.
 * Thaïs Alexandrina began by asking what to do about a user not listening to consensus, then ignored the consensus that emerged.
 * Thaïs Alexandrina accused other editors of not responding to the issue, then ignored the responses which dealt with the issue.
 * Thaïs Alexandrina asserted that the other editors were not qualified to comment upon the issue, then ignored the advice offered by editors who are, in fact, more qualified than Thaïs Alexandrina to comment on Wikipedia policy and accepted practice.
 * Thaïs Alexandrina accused editors of threatening behaviour, then ignored the fact that the "threats" were withdrawn - and went on to make uncivil remarks and personal attacks directed at other editors (case in point: this thread).
 * Thaïs Alexandrina has asserted that Wikipedia is fundamentally flawed, but has ignored the policies whose purpose is to maintain Wikipedia's integrity.
 * Every response since this incident was first raised at WP:AN has been a good faith attempt to help resolve the issues - both the content issue of where Mystical 7 should redirect to and the conduct issue of how TA should behave - from editors who are more experienced and, it must be stressed again, acting in good faith. Every response has been ignored, attacked, criticised, denied, or a combination thereof.
 * Only three possibilities remain:-
 * Thaïs Alexandrina is right and every other editor is wrong.
 * Thaïs Alexandrina must accept the need to learn about how Wikipedia operates, and must read and follow such key policies as WP:No original research, WP:Civility and WP:Consensus.
 * Thaïs Alexandrina is a tendentious and disruptive editor who should be blocked or banned from editing any related article.   S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 18:27, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Stop making sense Sheffield. It means you're becoming part of the "Wiki-cabal", out to ruin perfectly good articles by demanding that they are referenced and neutral.   Keeper    76  19:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no cabal, and (see above post) I should know what I'm talking about.  S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 20:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Groan. That edit history shur as shit looks a lot like sockpuppetry. Meatpuppet at best.  Sigh.  What to do?  I wonder if s/he has 2 accounts?  Or perhaps, two accounts?   Keeper    76  20:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I've been following this case and it smelled enough like another recent sockpuppet episode that I filed an RFCU on Thaïs. I hope I haven't gone in over my head (or done something very out of turn). Tjarrett (talk) 14:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a very well organized and well documented report. Excellent work - bonus points for Tjarrett - not sure we've met before, so greetings!  Welcome to Keeperpedia... Keeper    76  14:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, appreciate it. Normally I keep to myself on the University of Virginia side of the world, but some of the curious editing I cited in the RFCU was hitting some of the articles that I edit. I put the pages on my watchlist and it was like watching a slow motion trainwreck. Tjarrett (talk) 14:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm very interested to learn the outcome of this. My curiosity was piqued when Thais remarked that she "usually" lets fact tags sit for 3-4 months, even though her contributions indictate that her first edit here was a little more than a month ago.  Exploding Boy (talk) 15:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * In case anyone missed it, here's the result--a nest of 30 socks. My only remaining question is: was it the McTrain user? Tjarrett (talk) 02:13, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Has someone blocked you recently?
You haven't vandalized my page in like 24 hours. Obviously, you are no longer an admin. And not only does Boeheim rule, but The U plays the worst hockey ever. Go Al Franken. Orange Marlin Talk• Contributions 21:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You tryin' to pick a fight? Cuz I'll fight ya, if you wann it.  I couldnt' care less about my inadequate alma mater's sports participation.  How could I endorse them, they are an embarrassment to Division 1 sports!  I'm all about the pro-sports, never cared much about the collegiate sports.  Someone block me, I don't care.  I'd probably get more work done.   Keeper    76  21:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left]] You have been pseudo-blocked from editing for a period of no shorter than 48.5 seconds and no longer than 2 centuries in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for making the suggestion that work outside of Wikipedia is at all significant. Once the pseudo-block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this pseudo-block is unjustified, tough. Talk Islander  21:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank God. Finally blocked.  Which means, of course, that I can only edit my user talk.  So really, no punishment at all, seeing as I generally only edit my user talk anyway.... Keeper    76  21:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ya know, I wanted to do this block so I could finally use, drat, now I will need to be an abusive admin elsewhere.  MBisanz  talk 21:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, that's a fantastic template. May you never need it... Keeper    76  21:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I dare you to try it.  MBisanz  talk 21:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Try what? Getting permabanned?  I relish the thought.... Keeper    76  21:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Try the damn template man!  MBisanz  talk 21:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Try it where? Here?  You're drunk.   Keeper    76  21:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keeper, I believe calling another editor a drunk violates WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. MBisanz has every right to indef you right now.  You see, if I only had the power.  I'd do it right now.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 22:18, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What you don't understand, (probably because you are a doctor and not an admin) is that I desperately want/need to be indef blocked. My real life is suffering because of this ridiculous website.  Someone block me ?????? Keeper    76  22:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

That photo is an obvious fake, everyone knows Keeper has a mustahce.-- Koji Dude  (C) 22:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Who ya gonna trust? MastCell Talk 22:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ...me, or your lyin' eyes? Protonk (talk) 22:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's obvious that Keeper is the short one, because he has that Napoleon complex going. He just wanted to be an admin to rule Wikipedia.  Hopefully, this is his Waterloo.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 22:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not only not short, but I'm not short either. No SMS going here.   Keeper    76  01:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't believe that this is a redirect. Short man syndrome is universal, has been widely recognized in any job I've held, and should not be a reidrect to some ancient dude.  Just sayin.   Keeper    76  01:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The closest obvious thing to an academic source still uses "Napoleon Complex" as the name, so I'd guess that is still the accepted terminology. (Tries hard to care and fails). – iride  scent  21:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

If time, could you take a look at
This discussion re: whether or not to keep/delete this article: Bruce McAbee? I noticed that you closed a similar debate and I wonder about whether it may be time to close this one and remove the templates? Thanks. (The article was created by Ecoleetage, who asked me and others to take a look and weigh in on this debate; doing so led me to edit the article.) --NYScholar (talk) 09:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for asking, NYScholar -- that was a nice surprise, truly! The discussion itself got pretty sour, with repeated character assassination that tried to divert attention from the basic weakness in arguing for deletion (see for yourself -- a textbook example of how not to debate!).  Ecoleetage (talk) 16:16, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've got it watched, I read it, the article, and the article talk. You've both done excellent work (I think I've even barnstarred both of you for unrelated article work, funny how the worlds collide sometimes) but I'm not nearly as comfortable as closing this one early as I was the other (unanimous and unrelated) debate. There is a lot of weak deletion argumentation going on, but there are also some valid concerns that need to work themselves out.  It's only been opened for 2 days, I would recommend not "overparticipating" in it, it tends to make the closing admin's eyes glaze over, and it also tends to end up being one of the last one's closed in the backlog (the ten-foot pole effect).   Keeper    76  18:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

SCEPTRE
Wasn't this guy blocked? Thougt you may be interested to know about "Secptre". The same person? He has just had a load of vandalising article creations deleted. The Bald One      White cat 15:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Copied over sceptre's userpage and talkpage. I dunno if he's the same guy, but it's all cleaned up now. Tan      39  15:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

FYI – a request if you have time
No drahmaz – this is one of those situations that makes me wish you did have email or (gasp) IRC enabled – but as someone who generally gets on well with both sides of it, would you be in a position to take another look at Requests for comment/Majorly and see if you can offer any constructive suggestions to either side? It's starting to escalate into back-and-forth sniping which (if it carries on) will end up with someone losing their temper and doing something foolish.

Seeing as I, along with KojiDude, Malleus and Friday, am apparently "one of the chronic opposers" – bizarrely, since of the seven (oops, I mean 7) currently open RFAs Koji, Friday & I oppose on precisely one RFA each – I somehow don't think Majorly would listen to us. (I'm aware that you've opposed on that RFA as well, but I don't think even the harshest critic could accuse you of being in some kind of "exclusionist cabal"). – iride  scent  17:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I haven't opposed Jamie93's RFA, if that's the one you are referring to. I haven't participated in it at all.  I did however, already post in two places on the RFC, agreeing with Friday, and also (most of) Giggy's.  I like the guy, I agree with some parts of his RFA philosophy (support as default for example), and I've been guilty of a lot of the same huffiness that he's exuded there, but I consider it a bad habit curbed for the most part.  He badgers opposers and calls them names, but doesn't like to be badgered (Dweller's RfB comes to mind - I think he even put up a picture of a badger when someone responded, rather politely I might add, to his oppose vote).  And yet, when he responses, he retorts.  He uses sarcasm (and we both know how well that works online), the ever-aggravating "jump all over a minor point or perceived slight and forget the forest exists", and other storm/teacup type behavior.  In some ways, he's the posterboy of pointy behavior, in other ways, he is very good at being an admin (I've seen it, I can "diff" it, he can be excellent).  I think the community is starting to be done with it though, and I hope he is seeing that.  I'd hate to see him get desysopped, but ironically huffing around rather immaturely about how "teenagers, Zomg! are so, like, not immature, you, like Ageist person!!!111!1eleven!!", leaving in huffs, name changing with spite as primary motivation (at least on appearances), its all a bit ridiculous.  You can point Majorly here.  I don't think he watches this page, and even though I've added 4 tildes in 2 places on his RFC, I generally don't "do RFC", especially self-started ones.  Majorly I suspect was expecting a lot of the criticism that has landed on him "per his request", some is spot on, some is off base, all is good faith "trying to help".  Point him here, I don't need a bunch of people adding #-signs and tildes after my little paragraph here.  Majorly - cool it.  You are badgering people at RFA that you don't agree with.  You are.  I used to, I stopped.  It hurts the very candidate that you are thinking you are helping.  It is.  I make no judgments about whether it should, or whether it shouldn't.  It does..  Stop.  Everything else goes away - your stress, your angst, your perceived "lack of maturity".  I've seen you be very mature, I don't mean that condescendingly, but I've seen it.  How 'bout closing up the RFC, it's divisive and time wasting, and per WP:CHIPSLAW.  No one's gonna "win" anything there.  Propose a "self-ban" on RFA discussions for a cooling off period of a few weeks/ month?  Let this all move along, eh?   Keeper    76  17:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * In fairness, Majorly did close the RFC but it was re-opened by Friday. – iride  scent  18:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Didn't catch that. Hrm.  What for?  To keep on "telling him" what we think?  I think he knows what we think.  The RFC cannot come to any other conclusion other than "here's what we think", it has no teeth.  If there is a SRS desysop request happening, that certainly isn't the right venue.   Keeper    76  18:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I see know that it is reclosed. Probably best.  Keeper    76  18:44, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And reopened... – iride  scent  18:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Why Why Why Why Why? What's left to accomplish?  Everyone not (American sense) pissed off enough yet, on both sides?  If anyone would like to join me here, up on the fence, the view is terrific, I'll make popcorn.  If you prefer to stay on one side of the fence or the other, in the mud, slinging arrows towards the other side, please watch out for us fencesitters who would rather not get their hands too dirty.  Its hard to write an encyclopedia with dirty hands.  Keeper    76  19:16, 29 August 2008 (UTC) and before anyone else decides to point out the irony, yes, I realize I just said we need to spend more time writing the encyclopedia, and less time drama-festing.  Me, the talkpage king.  Even I can see that the RFC will go no where other than a "fizzle out" as yesterday's news.  Go to RFAr, get a resolution, get on with your lives.  Or, just get on with your lives, one or the other.  Keeper    76  19:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, I think the "don't badger my vote" image thing was a joke, judging from what he said on his talk page. Tombomp (talk/contribs) 19:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't read his talkpage, but point noted. I'd prefer this didn't become RFC#2. :-) Keeper    76  19:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course, and I wasn't trying to start that; just trying to clarify something (hopefully)! ;oTombomp (talk/contribs) 19:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Shocking news
. I know, I'm shocked too. Exploding Boy (talk) 19:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yowsers, that's a whole lotta socks in that drawer. For someone that "doesn't waste time" on online forums like us "homebound invalids",  s/he sure is bein' Ironical.   Keeper    76  20:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL! I actually talked with one of the socks before, on a completely unrelated thread :-)  See this diff, way too funny.   Keeper    76  20:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I have no doubt she/he/it will be back soon with new and exciting socks to amuse and entertain us. Exploding Boy (talk) 20:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Promise? Because, I really really don't like to go outside in the sunlight.  It hurts my acne :-)  Anyone got any SPF300?   Keeper    76  20:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, hey, I forgot, what's going on with the RC guy? Still lounging around, raging against the machine that is Wikipedia?  How'd that end?  Keeper    76  20:14, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No recent activity, I think. Crikey, I still can't get over Thais.  To think that such a good contributor and nice person could be implicated in sockpuppetry...  Just shocking.  I feel certain she must have been framed.  Framed I tell you!!  Exploding Boy (talk) 20:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just shocked that there were actually 30 of them. Er, I mean thirty of them.... Keeper    76  20:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you mean 三十枚.  Exploding Boy (talk) 20:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Were there 30 socks or thirty? – iride  scent  20:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know about the quality of literary circles you run in, but I think the answer to that is obvious. Exploding Boy (talk) 20:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, Iridescent, my dear friend, look two posts above yours, and get your own joke. :-) Keeper    76  20:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm ahead of both of you on the high score table, you have to give me credit for everything and bow before me like a Mexican god. (BHG and Blofeld aren't on this thread, are they?) – iride  scent  20:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I have to bow before you like I'm a Mexican god? How does a Mexican god bow?.  And I fully expect Blofeld will show up here shortly to dethrone.... Keeper    76  21:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Haha! Exploding Boy wins this thread. Glass  Cobra  21:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Dammit.  Keeper    76  21:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * YES! YES!!  I RULE!!!  Exploding Boy (talk) 21:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, but do you Rool?  Keeper    76  21:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak. Even for you. *awaits block notice*-- Koji Dude  (C) 21:14, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Just call me Judge Judy and executioner. Exploding Boy (talk) 21:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

And the next thing you know.... User:Not Thais Alexandrin arrives. And is blocked, with the hilarious summary: "sure you're not, and you're not blocked, either". Exploding Boy (talk) 23:01, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL!  Keeper    76  14:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Palin
Well, I thought protecting the Michael Jackson article from B.S. was hard, yikes, this has been an experience. Politics really is a hot spot. — Realist  2  20:34, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, Realist2, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. – iride  scent  20:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * ROFLMAO. Keeper's page is alway good for a laugh or two.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 23:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You hope I decide to stay? I'm kind of stuck here now anyway, at what point does addiction set in? I think I'm close. — Realist  2  01:20, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You passed the 24,000 mana mark. You're in! Congratulations!! (I'd link to that wicca image Iridescent is so fond of, but I can't find it without navigating to another page, which I am too lazy to do...) J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  01:23, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keeper76 is just dumbstruck with joy that he gets to keep his guvnor through 2011. Jesse Ventura can wait it out, though. MastCell Talk 05:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I really don't get much into politics, really I don't. I've proclaimed myself many different allegiances on-wiki (some real, some smokescreens).  I will say though that McCain made a brilliant selection strategically, and that MN is better off keeping Tim P. - the fact that a mostly conservative, Republican candidate can not only get elected, but re-elected, in a historically "blue" state speaks volumes to his appeal - he still has a relatively strong approval rating. (Our last guy, the "body" was not known for his, um, conservativeness. Pawlenty's done good things.   Keeper    76  14:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sad. I thought they were going to pick mittens.  Sarah Palin seems competent, straightforward and...well...kinda hot...So that makes it harder to make fun of the duo.  But it pains me to know that the press will have another "ZOMG A woman and a black dude both want to be near the white house!" narrative to run with until novemeber.  Journalists should be forbidden from conceit.  At all times.  Under pain of death. Protonk (talk) 15:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Like I said, brilliant move strategically. The journalists are gonna have a real hard time not falling madly in love with her "novelty".  I can see the googly-eyed journies already, they have the same look on their faces that they did when wonder-boy showed strong poll numbers.   Keeper    76  15:20, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * though to be fair to changie McChangealot, joe biden was a much better choice than the DRAMAHZ! option or the most boring state of the union response ever option. (nicknames are fun) Protonk (talk) 15:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm actually a bit baffled by both candidates picking folks from states they were gonna win anyway. I thought Pawlenty would be taken, and some midwestern dem.   Keeper    76  15:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm really hoping that MAYBE candidates are done picking VP's based on the notion of "regional balance". I think this is one of those common sense assumptions (pick a VP from state X and get a boost from that state and states like it) that never really was tested and probably isn't true.  More likely (unfortunately) is the possibility that the dem's figured they had "too much history" for one nomination and the republicans figured the had "too little", so the dems picked a white guy and the republicans picked a lady.  IMO, the VP should meet just a few criteria:
 * No skeletons. Can't be caught with a dead girl or a live boy.
 * VP and candidate can't obviously dislike each other (Kerry/Edwards, Dole/Kemp)
 * VP should probably be able to campaign better than a limp noodle (E.g. NOT Liebermann, Gore, Bush Sr.,)
 * Don't pick your VP for a stupid reason
 * Don't pick a VP twice
 * Protonk (talk) 15:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

<---LOL, great list, you're absolutely right. I didn't say I wanted them to pick geographically, just that I thought they would. Heh. Also, I learned two things about Sargent Shriver. One, I didn't realize he was VP twice (and I think you're wrong, I think he was in the primaries as prez candidate once, but only VP cand. once). Also, I didn't know he was still alive. (just checked his article lead to see when/how he died, being a "kennedy" and all...) Keeper    76  16:07, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I should have clarified. Shriver was the second choice in 1972 after the "false start" of Thomas Eagleton. Protonk (talk) 16:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah the 70s. Crazy times.  I miss em.  The 90s only wished they were as cool as the 70s.  I refuse to talk about the 80s, too many high collars and neon shirts.   Keeper    76  16:13, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but what about skinny ties? Jclemens (talk) 02:19, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Why...
...does the Main Page have like 8 pages cascade-protecting it in addition to its own protection? J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds 23:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Because our friends at /b/ have realised that if you make amusing additions to templates they also appear on anything transcluding said template. – 무지개  빛깔  23:35, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not exactly what I was asking. When I click on "edit this page" on the Main Page, I see this. Wouldn't just one be enough?
 * BTW, I like your new sig. Especially the " " :P J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  23:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The theory is (I think) that to do serious damage, all of those other cascaded pages have to be unprotected/deleted/whatever, and somebody'll notice in time if that happens. I *think* <span style="border:1px solid #20406F;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;"> Alex Muller  06:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My own personal theory is that Alex is right. He usually is.   Keeper    76  14:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * blush* <span style="border:1px solid #20406F;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;"> Alex Muller  21:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

EfD's MfD
Did you know about this? I thought it was weird you didn't drop in your 1/5 of a dime. I think it'd be safe to say it kicked MfD's ass, though. It's not everyday I get to see two XfD's go at it.-- Koji Dude  (C) 23:07, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * EfD pwns all other XfDs. Glass  Cobra  22:51, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. Missed that completely.  Good fun! Is it April 1st already?  Time flies!  Keeper    76  13:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Any TPSs available?
Are there any TPSs watching this page who could pop over to User talk:71.204.176.201 and explain to the IP what it's doing wrong? So far I make it four people warning them that they can't blank-and-redirect any article they don't like. As I'm the Evil Anti IP One, any action I take will be accused of bias. (For all I know, I am biased and being horribly unfair on a hardworking IP). – iride  scent  00:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * headed over there now TravellingCari  00:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! – iride  scent  00:43, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * We'll see if s/he listens to that input. I *really* wish people would discuss things at times. There's BOLD and then there is being a PITA. And glad to try out the doing template, I was curious what it looked like. TravellingCari  00:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * From experience, it can be quite hard holding discussions with IPs, as so many tend to drift on and off one's watchlist, you sometimes miss the "legitimate" posts amongst the "fuck you"s from reverted vandals. This one does seem fairly together, and hopefully will take on board what's being said. – iride  scent  09:25, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think the good IPs sometimes get lost in the morass of bad ones, but I think like any new editor, they have the propensity to do well if guided in the right direction. Music guru TPH and DDG have weighted in, so I hope that will help. TravellingCari  02:54, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks/sounds resolved? Gotta love long weekends.... Keeper    76  13:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

ping
Good to see you're still the same ol' flaming faggot!! <span style="font-family:lucida sans, console;">user:Everyme 20:29, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

"Um what?", was going to be my first reply. Then I hit edit and saw the "hidden message" and I've decided not to block you :-). I'm well Dorf, glad to see your, um, humor is intact :-)  Keeper    76  13:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the initial confusion, would you have preferred a smile? Just in case, here is one, coming from the bottom. Of my heart, that is.

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Tan away
Hey, I got word that the real world is interfering with Tan, who is on enforced Wikibreak until the end of September. That is a real bummer on many, many levels. :( Ecoleetage (talk) 22:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * bummer. He's likely the better for it though, seeing as the "real world" is likely paying him a bit more than bizarro world... Keeper    76  13:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * what's this real world you speak of? Blasphemy! TravellingCari  14:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, Tan was nice enough to break his WikiBreak to vote in my RfA -- what a pal! :-) Ecoleetage (talk) 15:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * God, I've been offline a long time! (2.5 days is forever in keeperland). I almost missed your Riffa!   Keeper    76  15:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey
Hi. I noticed this userpage that seems to be a corporation, and the guy blanked his user page of his corporate info -- is it supposed to be blocked or deleted or what? thanx.  DRosenbach  ( Talk 03:49, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * His username could probably be blocked as a spam username, I'll find the template for his talkpage, hold on a sec, be right back, need another browser window....alright, got it. I'll add a template to his usertalk that shows that his user account has been blocked pending an unblock request from the user that is for the sole purpose of getting a new username.  Good find, DRosenbach --  Keeper    76  14:05, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm back for help please...
I am getting tired of this fight with editors on the Book of Mormon page and I would like some input. I think it's actually in a few editors interests in keeping this page down i.e. they want it to look bad. I don't know, but there have been many editors, including a very respected one - COGDEN (I think he's an admin) who have been mercilessly deleted and reverted just to keep the same poor lede. I know it's a controversial topic but that gives no right to constant reversions of good faith editors. So in short could you poke in your head and possibly help this out? My latest battle is to reinsert a few things of COGDEN's and they are in no way controversial POV or otherwise, but we fight just because we can I suppose sometimes, but if you look you will see a pattern of systematic reversions by 2 or 3 editors there. Any help is helpful. Twunchy (talk) 06:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * does this have anything to do with the posting on AN asking about advice on the subject? I'm not trying to accuse anyone of anything, just trying to see if two requests for an outside opinion were regarding the same subject. Protonk (talk) 00:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Have we met before Twunchy? I don't recognize your username.  You say you are "back" for help, but I don't recall you ever being here in the first place.  Is Protonk correct regarding the ANI notice?   Keeper    76  14:09, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Where does *this* sort of abuse fit?
Keeper/TPS'ers,

I've been busy reverting User talk:24.93.236.98's various edits to Buffy/Angel character bios. S/He has been adding redundant categories (e.g., undead and immortal to vampires), OR and synthesis, and categories that other editors have seen fit to revert as well. Despite multiple rounds of warnings and reversions over 2 days, this editor keeps adding this same categorycruft in. even now, s/he continues to edit this after a final warning.

So where do I take this? AN? Jclemens (talk) 00:00, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like they've been blocked for a while. Glass  Cobra  02:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes--once again proving that Keeperpedia is the best place to ask when you really don't know which process to use. Thanks guys! Jclemens (talk) 05:36, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

RfA notice
Hi Keep, I was looking for this to add to someone's user page, but it's apparently gone. Do you know what the duplicating template is? Thanks! TravellingCari 15:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * it's at Template:RfX-notice. J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  15:36, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That mischievous MBisanz. Deleted the old one. :-).  The old one is now a redirect to the new one.   Keeper    76  15:39, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks both. I was confused, it wasn't a re-direct when I first looked. Mission accomplished and link provided to user in need. I swear I'm wiki-stupid at times. Esp if it's technical. TravellingCari  15:44, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * O RLY? – xeno  ( talk ) 15:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Even better. From now on, TCari, technical questions go to WP:AN/X. Non-geek questions can stay here.   Keeper    76  16:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I heard my name invoke?  MBisanz  talk 16:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ....deleting perfectly reasonable templates without telling anyone. grumble grumble...need to keep my eyes on you Matthew....  Keeper    76  16:22, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well if you actually did something around here useful, you might have noticed. They're overpaying you.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 16:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And replying in this thread somehow makes you more useful? Get a real baseball team.  One with fans.  Keeper    76  16:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you block yourself for an uncivil, rude reply? I mean, you may as well be useful one way or another!!!!  Oh, I interfere with everything.  Just saying.  :)  And speaking of teams with fans.......Twins????  yeah right.  Where is Zolio Versailles when you need him?   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 16:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I would block myself, but I'd end up wheel-warring with me to get me unblocked. And its Zoilo, not Zolio.  And yes, he was terrific.  And no, his article is not terrific.  Tis a shame.  Our average attendance in 2008 (mind you, with a completely rookie team outside of a couple of regulars), is over 30,000.  What's the average game attendance down there in Miami.  Like 8 thousand?  Or just eight?   Keeper    76  16:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Seriously, the first World Series I ever attended was the Dodgers vs. Twin in '65. My dad was born in Brooklyn, so you can suspect who his team is.  I didn't care so much.  But I had a Zoilo (sorry) Versailles baseball card, so I thought he was the best.  I don't remember much of the game, except that I got to see Sandy Koufax (who was my favorite baseball player ever) beat the snot out of Jim Kaat.  I recall that Koufax was pitching that Monday only because he skipped a start because of Yom Kippur, so I thought he was doubly cool.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 16:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, BTW, you're right on the Marlins attendance. You can block me.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 16:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 65, 87, 91, 08. And I can't block you yet.  I'm not finished compiling my secret evidence.  Be patient grasshopper, you'll have your indef in due time.   Keeper    76  16:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Then I'll have to use my secret CIA-sponsored IP address to vandalize the project. And you think the Twins are going to get past the Rays to get into the '08 World Series?  They should start drug-testing admins.  Especially since you all are getting paid so much for this job.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 17:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I guess I'll have to remember to post to WP:AN/K when someone updates the F-ing manual. [[image:718smiley.svg|15px]].  MBisanz  talk 16:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * We are finally understanding each other....:-) Keeper    76  16:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

(unindent) ROFL! Self-wheel-warring. Nice. And while I'm on that subject, have you ever seen this? Yeah, he's that fast... :D J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  16:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How can you block yourself? And once you're blocked, how the hell do you unblock yourself?  Even Keeper doesn't do that.  Or does he?  Hmmmmm?   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 16:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * marlins -- much more civil baseball weather in April. Remember a few years ago freezing my ass off at a Yankees home game and then going to Ft. Lauderdale a few weeks later and loving the better weather. Not that I could tell you who won, but loved being able to walk up on game day and get seats right behind the plate. And re: tech questions -- least I get answered here and picked on too :p TravellingCari  16:54, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Any admin can block themselves. They won't be able to edit, but they'll still be able to use administrator tools (and later unblock themselves, if they wish). That's why blocking an admin who is abusing his/her tools is not a real solution. 1)They can unblock themselves. 2)They can go on abusing the tools until a steward comes along to remove them.  Enigma  message 17:05, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And as an example, of the genius levels of thinking required to block, and unblock yourself, see this fine example. :-) And the Twins will win. If they make it to the series, they'll have homefield advantage, and they'll win in 7.  They haven't lost a home field world series game since the one you went to, OM.  11-1 alltime.  In their 3 series, they've all gone seven games, the home team has always won the home game (LA, St. Louis, and Atlanta all wone their 3 homegames).  Only the Dodgers were able to win, in game seven, in Minnesota.  Go Twins!  Keeper    76  17:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And while I'm thinking about it, it would really be quite ineffective for me to be blocked. The only page I edit is this one it seems.   Keeper    76  17:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you quite frequently vandalize my page, but I'm used to it.  Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 17:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, you haven't seen vandalism from keeper yet. You'll know it's coming when I first add "full protect:admin only" to your user/usertalk pages.   Keeper    76  17:50, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * AN/K really needs to be split into AN/K and AN/K/BBALL so you sports-enthusiasts can talk your talk without interrupting the rest of us who want to talk about important stuff like redirecting deprecated templates. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Just do what I do and have two giant threads taking up the entire page. – 虹  色  17:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh my jeebus, christmas! Talk page on steroids TravellingCari  18:48, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Xeno: Snore. :P Glass  Cobra  21:18, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

What can I do now?
Hi, I posted 4 articles that got deleted on the spot: Washington Interscholastic Nutrition Forum, Bone Health, Better Breakfast, Recovery Drinks. All are meant to be used as ways to make information about these subjects available, while linking them back to already existing wiki articles (i.e. Breakfast, Nutrition, Osteoporosis). I still want to try to use Wikipedia to do that, and I understand that I shouldn't use this as an advertising channel, but I'm not sure how to provide the resources available in the information that I can place on an article page, without getting deleted again. I read through all the articles on getting started and what not and they aren't very helpful to my situation. Any advice would be helpful... Thanks, Delaunay08 (talk) 20:44, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The fun never stops!
Guess who :-) Frank  |  talk  21:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. I blocked him good.  Or should I say, I BLOCKED HIM GOOODD!!!!  I need a beer.   Keeper    76  21:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And some unblock requests from user:Kevin j too. Note this comment - "I don't try to be uncivil" - to which I say...true, it seems quite effortless... Frank  |  talk  22:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * heh. true true.  All in a day's work.  R. B. I.  Next?   Keeper    76  22:05, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

My RfA
Thank you for your support in my recent RfA, which was successful with 58 support, 4 oppose and 1 neutral, and for your message of congratulations. Kind regards. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 20:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

next drama fest...
Where???? ;-) --- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 21:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. Give it time.  It'll happen.  I dont' know who, I don't know where, but it will. Every "crisis" today will be catliner tomorrow, we both know that.... Keeper    76  21:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking that this edit might be a sign of potential admin abuse that needs to be addressed?--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 21:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll admit that when I saw the section part of your edit summary ("next drama fest...), I clicked as fast as I could. Shame on me! J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  21:50, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Now we really know how to get an admin's attention ;-)--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 21:54, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec re to balloonman)I relish the day that someone blocks me. I'll make more money, I'll sleep better, without dreams of wikipedia and wikipedians.  If you ever see me page-protecting anything of "orangemarlin's", I give you full permission to preemptively block me.  Of course, I'll probably unblock myself.  I heart arbcomm.   Keeper    76  21:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

O RLY?
You don't like my small writing?  MBisanz  talk 00:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Palin
I hope the AIP stuff doesn't resurrect the ghost of Joseph McCarthy. Madame Governor, are you now or have you ever been a member of the Alaskan Independance Party. GoodDay (talk) 21:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This stuff makes me laugh so hard. You guys heard about her daughter? Pure gold. Great choice, McCain! Glass  Cobra  03:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, cuz those dems don't have no problems...:-)  Keeper    76  19:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No problems with their vetting procedure, you mean. :) Protonk (talk) 19:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say something mean about Joe Biden, but Orangemarlin would kick my ass.  Keeper    76  20:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Pile on?
Just for you Keeps, I did some digging and located what might be the only essay around, to date(see: NOPILEONS). Maybe its time we created a new one? Hope that helps.  Syn  ergy 22:22, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * God. Why so small???  Are you trying to hurt my aged eyes?  I miss 21655.  Is he still around?  I'll check in a moment... Keeper    76  22:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I wanted to post this to the RfB, but I knew it shouldn't be done (which will immediately let you know why this was so small :> ) . I still think pileon should be updated, and then possibly sent back out into projectspace.  Syn  ergy 22:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:PILEON. Just checking what color this is.... Keeper    76  22:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You could always use preview for that. ;-) Anyway, WP:PILEON spells out "Pi" and "Leon", so I wholehertedly expect my own section dedicated to me, and pictures relevant to the subject.-- Koji Dude  (C) 00:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this image would be about 3.14 times better. A shortcut, that nobody would get, would be read Moral support, per WP:3.14KOJIDUDE.  Keeper    76  15:55, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's hope it catches on. :-) -- Koji Dude  (C) 21:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * PILEON backwards is NOEL IP, so I'm assuming he's referring to this guy. – 虹  色  01:02, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Admin TPS help, please?
Thanks ! TravellingCari 01:29, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ✓ my 2c anyway... – iride  scent  01:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * indeed, thank you both! TravellingCari  02:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * sigh. Good advice iri.  Keeper    76  15:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
Hey yo. One more fucking day, eh? Can't wait. But before we get to that, I need some guidance. My home girl is on a Wiki-break and a lot of the folks who troll the WP:HelpDesk are cocksuckers. Any way, I uploaded this pic and would like to know if the rationale used is okay? The guy is dead and he probably has three pictures in existance. I have seen this particular photo used on a biography written about him. I dunno where it came from, who took it or what year it was taken, but it's the best photo I can find. Can I use this for his article? I know there are a lot of non-cocksuckers who troll your talk page, so if anyone out there can help me... please hit up my talk page. Thank you. --Endlessdan 13:37, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * PS - everyone should watch this tonight.


 * It isn't football season until Thanksgiving. And I asked an image expert your image question.   Keeper    76  15:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No explanation needed about the not-rooting-for-the Vikes dealy. I have no confidence in this guy and was surprised when you didn't get this guy as insurance. And I cringe everytime I see this dude with the ball. So much so, that I passed him over in my fantasy league with the second pick. And I beg to differ... the football season never ends. --Endlessdan and his problem 15:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the image help. I need my own "image expert" for whenever Kells takes a break. --Endlessdan and his problem 16:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The only problem with Gig and no, nobody is allowed to start listing other problems here is that he's an Aussie, meaning he's fast asleep right now (or should be). Usually get a response in 18-24.   Keeper    76  16:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Provided I at least get a response, I have no beef with waiting. All I got is time. Plus Kelly has been very busy with much more pressing matters as of late. --Endlessdan and his problem 16:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

The only problem? Hahaha. You may list other problems now, for I am awake. Yeah, that image seems fine. Go for it. —Giggy 08:35, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia!
... the free encyclopedia that  anyone  can edit. (sorry, admin only) J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  15:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * well if the Star Wars kid and the Numa Numa guy get articles, I don't see why this one shouldn't! I woulda slapped a cleanup tag on it though... – xeno  ( talk ) 15:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of article "Good Oil"
I had just returned from a quick Google search where I'd found an article about the product on the UK Times Online site,, which I felt sufficiently established notability, when I'd found the page deleted. Do you agree with me or do you disagree and/or consider this issue closed? Have a nice day! Miquonranger03 (talk) 16:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC) :D
 * replied on your talk mate Keeper    76  19:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That is the problem with this product, though. That is the actual name of the product, and it is so incredibly vague that it's almost a bad thing for there to be a Wikipedia article on it. Miquonranger03 (talk) 20:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, now that I look at some Google and Google News queries, that Times article is really the only notable source there seems to exist. Most if not all of the records on the web for this product seem to be from housewives on Usenet and the like. You can delete it, I don't think that it passes the N-test after all. Miquonranger03 (talk) 21:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC) :D


 * Of course! Feel free to vent whenever. That's Wikipedia for you, I suppose..."you can please some of them some of the time, but you can't please all of them all of the time!" :D Miquonranger03 (talk) 21:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC) (I hope my smilies, which are simply meant to brighten the reader's day a bit, don't waste too much time by tripping vandal filters and such)

Deletion of Larry Kroon
The article was sourced. The pastor leds a alrge church. He is Sarah palin's pastor. I have no objectio to an AFD discussion. But it looks suspiciously political to spedy delete this article without an AFDElan26 (talk) 17:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)Elan26


 * I really am expecting you to put that article back up.Elan26 (talk) 17:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)Elan


 * Just an FYI, Keeper. This has been placed on deletion review by Elan26. Protonk (talk) 17:55, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Elan, thanks for the "it looks suspiciously political" attack, (how would you know my politics?) but that aside, you've made your case. I've restored the article, sorry I went offline and didn't respond within the several minutes that you gave me to respond before adding DRV drama.  The article, and all revisions are restored, the speedy/hangon tags removed.  I strongly encourage an AFD discussion to put this to rest.   Keeper    76  19:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And now I see that there is an AFD, FYI.  Keeper    76  19:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey 2
Hey, about your message on Ecoleetage's talk page, sorry if you found it spiteful but to be honest I tried to be blunt but concise, and civil. I wished him good luck for the future and that I may support in future, but it was shortly followed by an email consisting of insults and childish behaviour. I stick by my comment about his incivility, although I appreciate others don't have the same view. Hope all is well, happy editing! —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 17:46, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Reason #4,684 why I don't "do email": If someone blasts me on email, I'll likely blast them back.  Next time, though Cyclone, use the same medium.  Blast him back on his email, not his talkpage - it looked spiteful.  How was I to know that he sent you a "childish" email?  And how exactly does your rather "childish" comments on his talkpage (and not his email), reflect on you?  Just food for thought, I'm over it.  Happy editing to you as well :-)   Keeper    76  19:49, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Very good point. I think I'll take heed of that advice ;) —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 20:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for letting me know. Exploding Boy (talk) 19:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Accusations against Administrators
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I am a mathematician formerly at Stanford and am familiar with academic publishing standards, but I am new to Wikipedia policies and criteria for writing articles and reviews.

Yesterday, I was publically accused over and over of vandalism by a couple of particular administrators or editors at Wikipedia. The same people repeatedly claimed I was writing attack articles and had been deleted as a result. I wrote to the administrators asking for assistance, being new, and to explain the multiple unsubstantiated accusations of vandalism and accusations of writing attack articles. The only response was that the articles discussion was deleted (despite hang on tags) and the multiple vandalism accusations disappeared (so i can no longer cite them).

I was told I need to stop writing attack articles or I would be banned from Wikipedia, and the page was deleted so no one could see the discussion for deletion, so I posted the "attack article" on a related page with related issues for others to see.

1. The "person" motivating much of what has been occuring is WasillaAG, which appears to be an acronym for Wasilla Assembly of God, so to be an agent of the church or its pastor Ed Kalnins.

2. If an administrator is politically motivated, or motivated by embarassment for having made multiple false public vandalism accusations, where do I report such an accusation?

3. I have written many times to the two administrators, but they will not provide any meaningful response to me. I did not mention their name when I posted my comment, since there is the possibility that the article on Sarah Palin's Pastor was actually an attack article. Is it? EricDiesel (talk) 20:05, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The article that you created, Sarah Palin's pastor, has been deleted 3 times, most recently as a G10. G10 deletions are for either attack pages, or for unsourced articles about living persons.  Your article (I can still see it, one of the unfortunate "privileges" of being an admin) had 4 sources to blogs, including the Huffington Post (and we both know how "neutral" they are).  It will continue to be deleted if recreated, and further recreation will be determined to be disruption on your part, and your account will be blocked.  It is not a valid article title.  Keeper    76  20:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I took a look at the articles as well and reached the same conclusions. The other pages Eric has worked on are also up for deletion as "notability" is not inheritted.  So far, they are not independently notable.  Comparisons to Jeremiah Wright notwithstanding.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 20:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I just deleted another recreation, with different capitalization, at Sarah Palin's Pastor. Please stop Eric.   Keeper    76  20:14, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
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Since you're around
Hey Keep,

Since you offered to do "crap" for me, I'm looking for a second opinion (and since this talk page is watched by more people than WP:AN, if you've left, maybe a lurker could do it). I wonder if you'd take 5 minutes and review Special:Contributions/Techman224 (focusing on the user talk pages), and the (rapidly deleted) warning messages on User talk:Techman224. He wasn't getting the message, so I left a brusque warning, and he quit editing right after. I think it was called for, due to his ignoring previous similar requests, but wonder if I came off too harsh (I think he's probably doing this in good faith, just not listening to feedback). I'm feeling a little grumpy today, I've noticed my recent blocks are all longer than my average, and I'm wondering if I'm too grumpy or not. --barneca (talk) 22:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm offline until at least Friday, for my own sanity. Anyone else need something to do?  TCari? Irid? J.Del? Other admins?   Keeper    76  23:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Barneca, you did bite with that last sentence, but probably not hard enough to draw blood. He/she seem to be new Twinkle users, so are probably a bit over enthusiastic. RMHED (talk) 23:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback, RMHED, I left another message on his page. --barneca (talk) 00:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
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And away we go...
Since this is the closest thing we have to a town hall, I thought I would post this here. I have decided that the life of an admin is not for me, and I closed my RfA. The discussion became nasty, stupid and venal. But that is what RfAs are all about, no? Nor, for that matter, is Wikipedia the right place for me. At least not for the moment. I am finding it to be a disruptive, sour and unrewarding experience. Thus, I am taking time off -- maybe for a short spell, maybe for the long haul. I don't know if I will be back, but if I am, I'll drop in to say Hello. Keeper, you've been pleasant and delightful. To my friends here, thanks for the fun. And as Jackie Gleason used to say: And away we go..... Ecoleetage (talk) 02:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Take it easy, Eco. If it's any consolation, adminship isn't that great anyway. People post stuff like this and you just have to sit there and think...now which (and whose) bowl of cheerios did I piss in to deserve that? – xeno  ( talk ) 02:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Pfft, lightweight. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 03:00, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * EVula, YIKES! I'm still trying to work out whose cheerios I pissed in (see deleted revs of my talk). Eco, I've said it to you and I'll sayt it here. Take the time you need. Better to walk away then go down in flames, but I'll miss your contributions. TravellingCari  03:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Xeno, EVula, those aren't abuse... that's abuse. – iride  scent  03:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Quit bragging, Iri. :P Glass  Cobra  03:29, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * TLDR. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 04:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Update from Eco Keeper, since you are my only TPS, I wanted to come here and share a message my pal Mike sent me. I told him about my RfA and he read it. As an uninvolved outsider, this was his response:


 * "Yeah, I read the back and forth today. I got about half-way through before I started wondering "why the hell is he putting himself through this?" Then two-thirds of the way, I saw the a******* you were up against. What a bunch of pretentious, self-important lunatics. Yes, Wikipedia is an important tool. So friggin' what? Are they curing cancer? No. Do you know how many typos I found on 'Cancer'? Oy."


 * First laugh I had all week. (Someone go over and fix Cancer, okay?} Now it is back to the WikiBreak -- doing a movie audition on Friday, wish me luck. Ecoleetage (talk) 23:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * PS I don't endorse Mike's observation, I just wanted you to see what those in the non-Wiki world think when they peek in here. Ecoleetage (talk) 00:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * He's your pal, hardly uninvolved. I think I saw Keeper say elsewhere today though that RfA sucks the life out of editors. Don't let it suck the life out of you. Who cares what a bunch of malcontents who hang around what must be the most depressing forum on wikipedia think about anything? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree. Good luck with your movie audition.  Let me know if you pass WP:N, I'll gladly write up an article about you :-)  And your friend "Mike" is right.  Only on Wikipedia, by the way, does "Someone go over and fix cancer" refer to adding a comma here and there.  What a great sentence!  Miss you Eco, be well and come back soon.  :-)  Keeper    76  19:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

The Twinkies
I took a quick look at the standings. The Twins have no shot at the Wild Card (unless they get really hot, which they really are not right now), so they have to win the AL Central. They have a reasonable schedule, but that final weekend homestand would be something to see. Especially against the White Sox. Now, setting aside the fact that you have no clue about sports, and noting the the above thread you have some silly interest in the NFL, and we know how crappy the Vikings are, I'm not sure your trust in the Twins is all that reasonable. Their pitching isn't deep enough for the playoffs, and their hitting seems to rely upon a lot of hitting with runners in scoring position (which I believe is a random probability event, because statistically, good hitters hit about the same with batters on base as they do when there are none on, and bad hitters do the same--in other words, the Twins are lucky, but statistics eventually even out). I'm sure you're a loyal fan, but your team has some work to do. Orange Marlin Talk• Contributions 13:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The painful irony is that the are "not hot" right now because they are on their longest road trip in the last 40 years, courtesy of our Republican friends + their new BFF Joe. As for your sentence: I'm not sure your trust in the Twins is all that reasonable, who the hell ever decided that supporting a team is supposed to be reasonable?  Fan is short for fanatic, remember?  Just watch, just wait.  The Twins in 87 had the lowest W-L for a WS champ (at the time).  If they're in, they win.  The WhiteSox will crumble, the Yanks are out, the RedSox will get the wildcard.  Angels v RedSox, Twins V Rays.  Calling it.  As RedSox V Twins, then Dodgers V Twins (yes, I said Dodgers).   Keeper    76  15:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And don't forget about my Rockies... they did the impossible last year... we haven't given up hope yet!--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 16:00, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Lieberman. Blah. I used to be a big supporter, now he's a turncoat.  And I just learned something about Keeper.....do not pick on his Twins.  He gets a bit cranky.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 16:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and pick on them. Disregard them. They play better when no one's paying attention. And its a good thing I'm cranky, seeing as I have a personal policy of not blocking anyone when in a foul mood. Keeper    76  16:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Did someone say something about the Rays going all the way? - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No. No one said that.  No one would dare be so bold.   Keeper    76  16:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * go rays... Adolphus79 (talk) 17:14, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Marlins are the only real team in Florida. Give me a break.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 17:18, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah... just trying to get Keeper's goat... not really that much of a Rays fan myself... just so long as no one bags on my Orangemen, I'm OK... - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You can't have my goat. I'm using it to curse the Cubs. yeah, I'm that old...  Keeper    76  20:00, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

To quoote my brother, "But the Yankees winning helps the Red Sox" I hate instant replay. HATE. Yes the call went in the Yankees favour with asshole's HR in the 9th, but it's still stupid. How about glasses for the umps? Keeper, can't help the sanity, I have none of that myself. Two 11 hour work days and the RfA sucked that. I'm still searching for the beer I wanted last night. Let's go Yan-kees! TravellingCari 02:28, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to ask wtf is going on with this page today, but Carlos Quentin has a broken wrist, making the Twins the favorites to win the AL Central. Quentin was the key to that lineup and the MVP of the team.  Enigma  message 20:03, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Plagiarism
I am displeased as because of this, I can't do it as I will look like some lame-arsed copycat and had always mused about it. Once many mooons ago while drunk I burbled out the home phone number of the place where I was staying on talkback radio and the phone rang off the hook so much that the phone number had to be changed....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:14, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Um what? You linked me to my own archive, and a convo with FatMan.  You drinkin mate?   Keeper    76  14:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah nevermind, I see where you linked me. I'll be on your talkpage in a moment, you poor soul.  :-)  Keeper    76  14:28, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Full protection of Sarah Palin for five days
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There has been a lot of discussion, and controversy, on some minor points in the Sarah Palin article. This is not an article about which I am particularly concerned, but I have read all the talk about one issue, and it seems that it is being discussed productively. I am not aware that the article has been suffering recently in any major way because of edit warring under semi-protection. So my opinion is that full protection is not necessary.

Full protection for five days is certainly overdoing it. The timing is unfortunate also. Palin has just given her acceptance speech, and the spotlight will continue to be on the Republican candidates for the next couple days. I'm not a Palin supporter (or a Republican) myself, but I am concerned with fairness in the article. It's possible you may be leaving yourself open to the charge of being unfair by protecting the article for too long, and at a particularly inopportune time for those who would like to contribute on positive developments this week. I suggest you go back to semi-protection tomorrow and see how it goes. Personally, I've said my piece and may not edit the article or talk page again. -Exucmember (talk) 03:35, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Keeps. Just an FYI, its been declined on RFPP already. You can check my recent contribs if you aren't logged on right now (the bot is likely to remove it soon).  Syn  ergy 04:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Am I seriusly the only person who does not give a fuck about Palin, her church, her kod, her kid's kid, her pastor? It isn't bad enough that CNN, Metro and AMNY are wholly devoted to the Really Not Caring just as they were to the Do Not Care last week but now it's all over. To quote the US Open announcers, "it's hypothetically and potentially maybe possible" that really. ENOUGH. Seriously passionate edit warriors over odd shit, including VPILF. *Growl* I hate politics HATE. TravellingCari  04:28, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Gee, Cari - I don't think you should beat around the bush like that. Tell us what you really think! Frank  |  talk  11:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I aim to please ;) TravellingCari  12:57, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

From one of the bazillion threads about people taking a website far too seriously....
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So sad, but so true. Wiki wide beer? Chocolate milk for the young'uns? I don't think I've ever seen a website turn into the drama fest that this has in the last month or so. Make it stop! TravellingCari 04:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * School's starting up again now, so it won't be long until there aren't enough of us to stoke those fires. Oh, by the way - hello! I'm circling the edit screens and will be around again soon Fritzpoll (talk) 06:39, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with your sentiments above Cari. Who is this person? And does anyone know where I can obtain a rather large trout ? – xeno  ( talk ) 20:20, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Which person? The world has gone nucking futs. At least Giants up 16-7 TravellingCari  00:52, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Palin
How come you protected the Sarah Palin article? --harej 11:20, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Big discussion on it at WP:AN. Kelly  hi! 11:44, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Palin
I have unprotected that article. High traffic articles, in particular an article related to current events should not be protected. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 12:35, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Is there any policy you can point to that supports that assertion? Does protecting the integrity of the encyclopedia not count for anything? Why is George W. Bush (the article, I mean) protected indefinitely? Frank  |  talk  12:41, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

RFAR
Leaving a message to inform you Requests_for_arbitration, which may concern you.  MBisanz  talk 18:39, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
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