User talk:Keepitreal2

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Missouri Executive Order 44
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Missouri Executive Order 44. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted or removed. Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive, until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively could result in loss of editing privileges. Additionally, it is very clear that you are also editing as the IP editor. This is a form of Sock puppetry. We welcome a discusstion your views at Talk:Missouri_Executive_Order_44. However, based on your edit summaries, i.e. "Inconvenient truth", I suggest you read NOT TRUTH.--- ARTEST4ECHO(Talk) 21:47, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
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Plans
I will be taking up your preplanned, unwaranted attack on my verifiable sourced edits with the appropriate folks. Deleting my response to the discussion you were having about me further demonstrates and positively affirms my position.

Keepitreal2 (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--- ARTEST4ECHO(Talk) 16:48, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for replying to my comments at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. As a partial answer to them:
 * "1. Although after being repeatedly advised it is misogynistic to assume I am male and refer to me as such, Artest4echo is still refering to me as "his" even in these resposes here. Clearly he has an issue and my assertion in the matter continues to be validated."
 * As you have expressed offence by misuse of the male pronoun, I ask that you please forgive and move on. Gender-related behavior is a particularly sensitive topic both for many Latter-day Saints as well as editors here at Wikipedia. If anyone is truly is misogynistic, their conduct will make this fairly obvious to all parties going forward; however, if this was perhaps merely an unfortunate mistake (or series of mistakes), please do not "make him an offender for a word" . Unfortunately, at this stage, continuing to pursue this weakens your credibility with other editors, and actually distracts from what appears to be your core concerns; if you cannot forgive, please at least set this aside, at least for now.
 * "2. Having contributed such a large portion has given him a God complex and he feels he is the absolute authority. One could argue a person with that much contribution makes the subject lopsided or skewed to said persons opinion."
 * What you are describing is what we call ownership of articles (or ownership, for short). Please "[d]o not confuse stewardship with ownership. Stewardship of an article (or group of related articles) may be the result of a sincere personal interest in the subject matter" - an attempt at stewardship is what I see here, both from you as well as the other participants: I think we all have a sincere desire to get this right, however much distance there might be between the personal views any participant in this conflict. Using loaded words like "God complex" and "absolute authority" doesn't play to your favor. If you think anyone is actually exhibiting ownership behavior, you can certainly to call them on it, but do so with less colorful (or what some might consider inflammatory) language; passionate language is often given less weight than more neutral Jack Webb/Sam Spade-style wording. Most importantly, be very specific, including providing diff's when applicable; being general and making overly broad statements, especially about your fellow editors, is often considered handwaving, and being seen that way does not help you at all.
 * "3. Not one acknowledgement or discussion of my concerns here have been addressed."
 * I'm very sorry that you feel this way. When I tried to work thru all of your comments, I myself had difficulty keeping track of exactly what those issues are, other than the two that you enumerated before and the one after this item. Clear, concise, and more neutrally wording will go a long way toward getting your voice heard. Additionally, list of your concerns are easier to respond to: even bullet points of abbreviated length, of any remaining outstanding concerns might be helpful. Decentralising locations of discussions and emotionally charged wording will not be helpful in getting your points across on talk pages.
 * "4. Skewing an article to slander a group of people which takes away the extreme injustice done to them does make someone "anti". It doesn't have to be done overtly."
 * This seems to be the core of your concerns, at least to the extent that I understand them right now. However, I think that it's best to discuss that at Talk:Missouri Executive Order 44.
 * Unfortunately I'm out of time for today. I was sincere when I welcomed you above; I want you to stay and continue contributing in a useful manner. There's a learning curve for everyone contributing here, and I don't pretend to be off that curve yet myself. By assuming good faith, especially when you feel your fellow editors don't deserve it, and following the other fundamental principles we try to abide by here, you might be surprised what we can accomplish together. Also you might find this useful material to ponder. — Asterisk *  Splat → 01:47, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

response
*, ARTEST4ECHO, ecjmartin Yall can not like my colorful language all you want. It in no way makes me less credible.

My Great Grandfathers include Joseph Knight, Sr., Isaac Morley, Thomas Bingham, John Holladay, George Washington Bradley etc. etc.

Like I said I am on my mobile so my responses are brief. Understand when the article says nobody was known to have been killed as a result... we have a problem. Ciao Keepitreal2 (talk) 06:21, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh and btw if you can't follow my issues it's because somebody saw fit to edit my own responses to accusations against me. Cute.


 * I had hoped your initial response to me on the Admin noticeboard indicated a real willingness to open a true dialog; based this last reply, my hope appears to have not been well founded. If you can provide a more meaningful, less flippant reply to what I have wrote above, I'd be happy to continue talking with you; otherwise I think I'm done here. — Asterisk *  Splat → 16:23, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Of course you are done here. It's a little hard to justify attacking my credibility given my provided credentials.


 * Again facts have a way of escaping this whole circular conversation.


 * Nothing flippant about it User:AsteriskStarSplat


 * You haven't provided any "credentials" at all.  My ancestors include Charlemagne and Button Gwinett; that doesn't make me an expert on Medieval France, the American Revolution or the Declaration of Independence.  Appropriate "credentials" would include academic degrees in the subject specified, or previous publications on the matter that have garnered favorable reviews from at least one other disinterested expert on the subject.  Those are credentials; having noteworthy ancestors is not.  That said, you did provide us with an excellent source, and I thank and compliment you for that. - Ecjmartin (talk) 17:55, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


 * This coming from a dude who concurred with the bogus academic consensus that Reynolds and gang could not have possibly known of Order 44.

Lmao if that, my friend, is acadamia! Those types of credentials hardly hold a candle to the type I speak of. Unlike your Charlemagne comparison, I doubt you grew up in France reading and studying his journals, listening to the events that unfolded from the time you were born, day in and day out, concerning the horrors brought upon your people. Cheers Keepitreal2 (talk) 02:34, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

vagueness is not appropriate
Please specify which incident you are insinuating I am involved with.

Keepitreal2 (talk) 16:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement
Hello. I noticed you've made edits to articles related to the Latter Day Saint movement and thought you might be interested in participating in the WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement. This project aims to serve as a hub for collaboration on elements of the Latter Day Saint movement, Mormonism, Latter Day Saint history, doctrine, practices, and other cultural effects inspired by Joseph Smith. You don't have to be a member of the Latter Day Saint movement to participate. Best wishes! — Asterisk *  Splat → 20:33, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

January 2015
Your recent editing history at Missouri Executive Order 44 shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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 * Thank you for the information as I did not kno who to turn to. These folks have a history of such behavior.  Keepitreal2 (talk) 23:31, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

The ANI report
Hi Keepitreal2. I am a complete outsider, with absolutely no axe to grind on behalf of or against the LDS, and i hope (a) you don't mind my popping in here, and (b) are willing to hear a little unbiased advice. Right now, whether it's true or not, you are coming across as angry and unwilling to listen to anything those you are in dispute with are saying. It appears you are allowing yourself to get hung up on trivialities (does it matter, in a text-based medium, if you are referred to by the correctly gendered pronoun?), and unwilling to disengage or relax. May i suggest, take a break ~ from Wikipedia, sure, or just from this article, or from the topic area ~ and allow yourself to see the foolishness of it all. In the long term, it doesn't matter; in the long term, and there is no deadline, this is a long-term project, much or all of what you and i contribute will disappear. If you do decide to step away a little, spend some time reading some of the vast numbers of essays and guidelines, and the very few policies, about Wikipedia. Doing that, at various times, has helped me to understand how best i may contribute. My fear is that, otherwise, you will be seen (accurately or not) as an edit warrior, a single purpose account, a troll, or a disruptive editor of another kind, and pushed out the door. And that action would be to no one's benefit. Finally, i should note that i have linked nothing in my little spiel here, but i am happy to help you find any help or policy or essay or whatever, if i can. Again, hope you don't mind me coming on over. Cheers, LindsayHello 08:38, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Get over yourself. I don't care how I come across.  I care that the correct information is presented in a non slanderous way about this particular subject.  You clearly don't read or listen otherwise you would realize there are others involved in this that also focus on this subject.  And yes it does matter how I am adressed as well as how I was accused of doing stuff I did not do.  Go away as your post was pointless.  I'm not here to make friends.  Call that whatever you like but do so to yourself please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keepitreal2 (talk • contribs) 14:27, 30 January 2015‎

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