User talk:Keesbleijerveld

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User page
Although you are welcome to develop new pages in you own user space it is not normally done on your main page, typically users create a sandbox like User:Keesbleijerveld/sandbox to work in. It is likely that your user page could be deleted if it seen as page that it not being developed. Please read our guidelines at User pages. MilborneOne (talk) 11:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

European Air Group
We appreciate your efforts at trying to improve the European Air Group article but replacing the current text with your own version is not how Wikipedia works. As you have declared that you are working for the organisation you have an obvious conflict of interest with the subject. Editors with a confict of interest are discouraged from editing pages concerning those interests but I appreciate that you would like to improve the article. Can I ask that you discuss the changes that you want to make on the article talk page and gain the consensus from other editors to the changes. If you have any questions then please ask either here or on the EAG article talk page, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 12:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Re:European Air group
I understand your concerns about conflict of interest, but i do not agree. EAG is a non profit organisation and also a non fund raising organisation. It is an multinational intergovernmental military organisation. So to explain the history of this organisation and how it works, I think, only someone who works for this organisation can do it as there will be nobody else familiar with this knowledge. Our simple aim by putting this information on wikipedia is to let the world know that we are here and why we are here (after all: it is their money that is spent in this organistaion).Of course, before editting I will try to get in touch with the editor of the original article to discuss my alterations or better replacement.Keesbleijerveld (talk) 09:14, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Promotion is promotion; we are not here to facilitate your public relations efforts. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:33, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Keesbleijerveld


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You have been blocked temporarily from editing for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text below this notice, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:35, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Kees, the general ordered you to do something you cannot do: edit this article in violation of our rules on conflict of interest. That's not your fault; officers do that sort of thing all the time. But it doesn't excuse you from following our rules here in the real world.. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  14:29, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Orange Mike, Still no answer on: why is it possible that an incorrect article on the same subject can exist without problems since 2007 or so? I think this not really the intention of wikipedia either. The writer of this article has obviously no clue, beacuse he does not work here and so does not know anything of the organisation; besides that he does not react on the discussion forum. One reaction on your remark: Promotion is promotion: what I intend to do is the same as someone from a country or city who writes an article on this country or city. Or someone who practices a hobby or sport and writes an article on that subject. If I publish bullshit in my proposed article, people who know better will correct me, I hope?Keesbleijerveld (talk) 14:56, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If someone from outside an organization would be presumed to know nothing about it, then perhaps the organization is not a notable topic worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. Content must be sourceable to reliable, third party sources. -- Kinu t /c  17:18, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The way to do this would have been to start a discussion on the talk page of the article, fully disclosing your own conflict of interest and offering links or citations to reliable external sources with more current and correct information about the topic. As Kinu says, if no such citations exist, then perhaps the subject is not notable. We need impartial sources, not the unit's own perception of itself. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:51, 19 January 2011 (UTC)