User talk:Keith D/Archive 56

Laird
Please check new edits Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.36.6 (talk • contribs) 05:17, 24 August 2016 (UTC (UTC)
 * ✅ Keith D (talk) 17:56, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Princess Michael of Kent & Lady Nicholas Windsor
Please check refs on these biographical two pages Thanks as always Mike E. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.36.6 (talk • contribs) 05:17, 24 August 2016 (UTC (UTC)
 * ✅ Keith D (talk) 17:56, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Bradford
I consider there is a problem of consistency with the naming of some Wikipedia articles on areas within The City of Bradford.

I don't see a problem with the following here as if you wish to differentiate them from other articles of a similar name then adding Bradford is the logical way to go.

Belle Vue, Bradford Broomfields, Bradford Cottingley, Bradford Girlington, Bradford Little Germany, Bradford Longlands, Bradford Low Moor, Bradford Manningham, Bradford Royds, Bradford

However, The following areas are described and differentiated as being in West Yorkshire, when for consistency of naming I think these should be described as being in Bradford.

Allerton, West Yorkshire Clayton, West Yorkshire Eccleshill, West Yorkshire Harden, West Yorkshire Heaton, West Yorkshire Idle, West Yorkshire Oakenshaw, West Yorkshire Queensbury, West Yorkshire Ravenscliffe, West Yorkshire Sandy Lane, West Yorkshire Shipley, West Yorkshire Thornbury, West Yorkshire Thornton, West Yorkshire Tong, West Yorkshire Trident, West Yorkshire

My Questions then:

1. Would it be a good idea to 'Move' these articles to a ', Bradford' extension - or is it better to just tolerate the inconsistency?

2. Is it possible to be confident that the right name change is being contemplated?

I would appreciate your opinion and advice on this. Or should this be opened for wider discussion? If so where? Stuffed Cat (talk) 23:15, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, I would tolerate the inconsistency rather than moving the articles. Personally I would go the other way and have all of then as West Yorkshire rather than Bradford unless there is more than 1 of the same name in West Yorkshire than you would have to go to district. Keith D (talk) 09:07, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Glen Affric
Hi Keith, I have done some final editing on this page. Please check if you can find the time and leave in all quotes. Thanks again Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.30.213 (talk) 11:02, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Keith D (talk) 09:03, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

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James Matthews (racing driver)
Plesae check my recent edits on this page. You continue to be so helpful - ref numbers 5 and 6 should be done in the same style I think. Srbernadette (talk) 05:52, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ - looks like someone else has done some changes since your edits. Keith D (talk) 09:02, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

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The 10,000 Challenge
Hi. I've noticed the good work you do on here. I was wondering if you'd be interested in contributing to this ambitious British Isles challenge to bringing about 10,000 improvements to the UK and Ireland. The drive is fuelled by regional contests every few months, but it general an ongoing content improvement development. If you'd be interested in chipping in with the articles you improve please add your name to the participants and start adding your entries to the big list. Diversity of input will make it much more interesting to peruse! Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld  08:29, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Changing date formats by script
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 * Thanks for the note. Must say this is confusing and not expected. May be the script needs modifying to avoid changing this parameter as lots of people use the script, and like me, have no knowledge of the requirements of this template. Keith D (talk) 19:34, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
Please check ref number 3 it is from an online mag. And I am not sure what to put as the publisher thanks as always. M.101.182.142.35 (talk) 04:51, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Keith D (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Lupton family
Please check recent edits on this page of that's OK Thanks again M  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.142.35 (talk) 07:27, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Keith D (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Naughtiest Girl
Please check recent edit101.182.142.35 (talk) 06:31, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Keith D (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Princess Eugenie of York
Please check recent edits if you are able. Always thanking you.101.182.142.35 (talk) 06:31, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Keith D (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Princess Eugenie of York
Please - I know you have already done so, but please check my more recent edits to this page if you r able. Thanks so much. 101.182.142.35 (talk) 13:32, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Had a look but looks OK. Keith D (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

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About the main Wikipedia page for Leeds
Hi, Keith

I wanted to have a discussion about the main Leeds Wikipedia page. Why did you revert the page back when I added the metro and Built-up area statistics? I don't see the reasoning behind it, that is the main Wikipedia page for Leeds, hence all the information on that page that refers to more than just the urban subdivision (Which has had no real relevance since 1974). The page you try to link me to has no more relevance to the statistics I added than the main Leeds Wikipedia page that you seem to keep reverting back for what ever reason. You can look at countless other Wikipedia pages that have all the relevant statistics that I was trying to add to the Leeds Wikipedia page. The London and Manchester pages are a couple of examples. Are you telling me that they should be edited as well?

Lad 2011 (talk) 13:18, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Along with the other editor who reverted the addition there is a distinction between Leeds and City of Leeds. The Leeds page is about the settlement of Leeds not the Metropolitan Borough of Leeds which is located at City of Leeds. The statistics on the metro borough and the wider Leeds area should be placed in the City of Leeds article rather than in Leeds which covers, or should cover only the core settlement. I think we need a wider view from other regular editors on this. Keith D (talk) 20:07, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

So why does this only apply to the Leeds Wikipedia page then? It seems rather odd not to allow the statistics to be added to the main Leeds Wikipedia page if you ask me. The excuse that the page is just for the settlement has no relevance, and when it comes down to it the settlement is indefinable. The Urban subdivision certainly isn't the settlement, so where does this drivel come from? The main Wikipedia page for Leeds has information on that covers more than just the urban subdivision so the settlement argument goes straight out the window. Lad 2011 (talk) 23:26, 24 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The Leeds page, that you keep calling the main page, is the page for the settlement of Leeds, which is only part of the metropolitan borough. The lead of the article should make this distinction clear and not include intricate details of the wider metropolitan borough. These details, as I have4 said before, should be placed in the article City of Leeds which is the main article covering the metropolitan borough. We have made a distinction between the two entities and this distinction should be retained. As indicated above we need a wider view from regular editors on this. Keith D (talk) 20:14, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Who has made the distinction exactly? I'm sorry but Wikipedia is meant to be an encyclopedia based on factual information. There is no definable settlement of Leeds, so your argument is completely flawed to begin with. And you are still not answering the questions on why this only applies to the Leeds page and not the rest, and why the Leeds page has information on there that covers the entire City of Leeds yet according to you that page is only for the settlement? And no the distinction shouldn't be retained if it has no solid facts behind it. I've tried to contact the other editor who reverted the page back as well, although I am yet to hear back from him. And When it comes down to it I still don't see the problem of having the details on both pages. It comes across to me that there is some agenda driven drivel going on. Lad 2011 (talk) 00:24, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The decision is a community decision to have separate pages for the settlement and the metropolitan borough. If you look back through the archives you will see that there is a decision to split out the existing information on the borough from the settlement article and work was started on this but seems to have stalled for the moment. Information should not be duplicated across the pages as they can easily get out of sync and does not apply on one of the pages. If it was to be put on Leeds then it should also to be put on other articles such as Guiseley, Otley, Pudsey etc. Keith D (talk) 19:55, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

So there we have it's a distinction made by the community of Wikipedia, based on no factual information at all. This shouldn't even be allowed to happen, this is Wikipedia not some guys made up interpretation of what Leeds is. And no that is not how it works, Leeds expanded in 1974 swallowing up the likes of the Pudsey and the other towns, These are no longer independent towns. So suggesting these pages would need the info too is utter rubbish. The only pages that would require this are independent towns and cities in the West Yorkshire Metropolitan area, So the likes of Bradford, Wakefield, Huddersfield and Dewsbury etc. There is no define settlement of Leeds, And renaming the Urban subdivision the Leeds settlement or suggesting it's Leeds the city is complete misinformation and should be retracted from the article. We definitely do need to get in contact with the other editors about this. Lad 2011 (talk) 21:18, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi you were the main one working on the Talk:Leeds/draft article that was a split out of the info on the settlement of Leeds, the Talk:City of Leeds/draft never got off the ground. Do you think that the split work is worth progressing with? Keith D (talk) 23:34, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Pippa Middleton
Dear Keith, I have added other citations and there is a "cite error" tag near ref number 10 on my i phone - but it is NOT on my lap top! Confused! I hope this is OK - thanks for checking if you have time101.182.142.35 (talk) 23:31, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I have tweaked the ref, but do not see any error from PC, could be just the mobile site. If you are still getting a problem may be you could report it at WP:VPT for someone to look at. Keith D (talk) 20:18, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

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References?
hello keith D - apologies for taking up your time with my references on Steven Croft page. And thanks for tidying them. I'm not sure exactly what I should be doing to make references correct? Or is it an admin thing required to make sure references are kosher? Thanks for any pointers Joelionheart (talk) 20:40, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, no it is not specifically an admin thing. The problem was that the entries that you added were just bare URLs which are subject to link rot, by adding the other information, such as the publisher, publication date, author, accessdate etc. then if the link goes dead it may be possible to track down an archive version or a suitable replacement. It is easier to use cite web or one of the other citation templates to keep them in the same format rather than hand format each reference. Keith D (talk) 20:54, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Michael Dawson (footballer)
Well, I think I am finished with it for now. I wanted to bring it up to B rating standard, what do you think? I might move over to Aaron Lennon article and start working on that, I thought it needed a lot of tidy up. Govvy (talk) 11:20, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * A few formatting problems, but a quick glance and it looks OK for a B-class. Main problem on the refs is the mix of last/first and first/last format for authors, these tend to be done as last/first format now rather than as first/last. Keith D (talk) 11:30, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * hmm, I use the element author in the citations, I really don't like the last to first for naming convention as citations go, it's not using a sort so I don't see the point of last/first but for readability it's better to use first/last. I didn't know there was supposed to be a standard format. Govvy (talk) 16:49, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I do not think there is a standard format, just internal consistency in the article. Keith D (talk) 17:12, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

You deleted my content?
Keith, we don't know each other well but I feel as if we've made a undeniable connection through the several messages you have sent me where you informed me that yo have deleted my improvements to the wath comprehensive school page, whuddup wit dat? I would like to talk about a few problems I have with you, Kevin, deleting my content. Firstly, I AM single so hmu. Secondly, I am very familiar with wath com and the people that attend and run it, I know what names they prefer (such as big dog Taylor likes to be called "dat boi") I am making improvements Keith, whether you can see it or not I am changing the world one small step at a time.

I am not having a go at you, Keith D, in fact from my brief stalking of your profile I know you've won awards to take down vandalism and inappropriate content. I see how you're clearly mistaking my helpful improvements and nothing but crude banter, I can assure you that I was actually doing good with what I edited.

I need you to understand me Keith when I say that I'm not here to make friends and I will in fact take you out if I have to. I already have friends Keith, the costa staff are my friends, wath comp staff are my friends, the people are my friends and I hope one day, you will be my friend too, keith.

Choose your actions wisely:))

Yours faithfully buster_nutt69

Buster nutt69 (talk) 19:06, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

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Harewood Castle
Hi Keith; Harewood Castle is still a work in progress. I don't remember removing Leeds from it and as such it was an accident. I will put it back tonight when I am back from work.

Apologies and I hope all is well with you. Regards. (PS - thanks for picking up the REF Harv error too!)The joy of all things (talk) 06:59, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * No it was me that removed Leeds as it really should be City of Leeds but rather than confuse people I felt that it should be removed. Keith D (talk) 10:37, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Happy days; I feel less of a biff now! Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 12:55, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

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Contactmusic.com
Hi, Keith D. One of the clean-up articles that has appeared this week is Contactmusic.com and has a listing for potentially dated statements from May 2016. I have been through line by line and I cannot see anything. The history states that it wasn't created until July 2016, so I am at a loss to explain it. Could you have a look and see, please? Thanks. The joy of all things (talk) 11:19, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have no idea how it got May 2016 for the category, it should be July 2016. The problem was from the date arguments to the as of template in the infobox being in the wrong order which I have fixed. Keith D (talk) 12:47, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Keith. I looked at the diff and I have seen what you corrected (can't believe that I did not see that!). Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 12:56, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

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Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
I think that at the page's beginning, it should read as: Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge (née Kate Middleton). There should not be comma after Catherine. What do you think? Please correct if necessary. As always - Thanks Keith. 101.182.180.24 (talk) 08:00, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have removed a comma as it is covered by the bracket. Keith D (talk) 00:48, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Mineralogy.
Dear Keith,

I have noticed, that you have made a contribution to the article Mineralogy - a field of science, which I’m considering, as a very important and endlessly fascinating one, which deserves to the nth degree, as I think, to have its own Wikipedia Mineralogy Barnstar, and if you agree with this opinion and will find the design of the Mineralogy Barnstar as a good one, please, give your support in the section Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards. This section not visited very often by Wikipedians, and the authors of new Barnstars usually invite for discussion those Editors, who are interested in the related fields of science, art, etc. This Sunday morning (30/10) I have uploaded Mineralogy Barnstar to the following section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wikipedia_Awards Complete description of this Barnstar is possible to find on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mineralogy

Regards, Chris.Chris Oxford (talk) 16:51, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
Hi Keith Thanks in advance again. I cannot do a link in the History section of this page - to the section below titled "Generations of Middleton lawyers'. The link would be on the name: William Middleton Esq. (Esquire also having a link on it). Please help  Srbernadette (talk) 00:37, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have added the closing brackets which now forms a link. Keith D (talk) 00:49, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Keith

St Margaret's School, Melbourne
Please check recent edits

and also if you can,

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
please check ref. number 10 - the dates seem to be wrong. Thanks again Srbernadette (talk) 05:47, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
There should be comma after the name Middleton - eg - William Middleton, Esq. - in the History section. Are you able to fix this please? thanks again so much, I am too scared that I will muck it all up!101.182.180.24 (talk) 10:22, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Coord template - position
Hi Keith, re your edit to Thackray Medical Museum, WP:LAYOUT specifies that the coords go near the bottom, after navbox and before categories.

I wasn't sure about where Use British English etc go, but have now convinced myself that they count as "Maintenance templates", so are correctly where you put them - just before infobox. Thanks. Pam D  15:16, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

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Leeds and City of Leeds merger?
There is an article for 'Leeds', which is supposingly referring to the city in Leeds and an article for the 'City of Leeds', which is supposingly referring to the administrative region. I believe these articles should be merged, but before I propose a merger I'd like to consult you as you are one of the more active members of WikiProject Yorkshire.

From my understanding, cities of similar size are inconsistent; Sheffield does not have a seperate article for City of Sheffield (it looks like it once did but was merged into Sheffield?), yet its metropolitan boundaries include towns like Stocksbridge and Birmingham includes towns like Sutton Coldfield. The wikipedia article for Stocksbridge considers it a town within the Sheffield metropolitan borough, similar to places like Pudsey in the Leeds metropolitan borough whilst the wikipedia article for Sutton Coldfield considers it both a town within the Birmingham metropolitan borough and a suburb of Birmingham?

Furthermore, the infobox of Leeds contains 'City and Metropolitan borough' and includes information on places like Pudsey. The infobox of City of Leeds contains 'City and Metropolitan borough'. The articles for Sheffield and Birmingham contain the coat of arms of the city council, despite including towns and not having an article for the city council (as far as I can see).

I'm not too sure about the topic, and I'm (probably wrong!) so any input would be appreciated. Thanks!

Leeds United FC fan (talk) 17:43, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


 * For some previous discussion see Talk:Leeds/Archive_1 from 2007! Pam  D  18:22, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * More recent discussion is Talk:Leeds/Archive_/September_2009
 * The reason for the single article for Sheffield / City of Sheffield is because the two are effectively the same. This is not the case for Leeds (the settlement) / City of Leeds (the whole of the metropolitan borough) where there are numerous other places in the City of Leeds which are not classified as Leeds, such as Pudsey. The last discussion on this resulted in retaining the split and a start was made to perform the split even more in line with Salford, Greater Manchester & City of Salford, which show it can be done effectively. I personally believe that that is the way to go because of the other towns in the borough and is the present consensus. Keith D (talk) 18:47, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Some of the information in the infobox has been recently added and probably needs removing such as to take out the MP info for all of the non-Leeds settlement. I have struggled with the Leeds articles because of the few, usually non-regular editors and IPs, who are for piling everything into a single article. Keith D (talk) 18:54, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. From my understanding then, Leeds should be limited to information about the legal city boundary? I am from Pudsey in the metropolitan borough and it is widely considered to be part of Leeds, so it's a strange situation. Also, perhaps there could be a draft rewrite by WikiProject Yorkshire members?


 * I'd have to disagree City of Sheffield and Sheffield are effectively the same though, Stocksbridge is a town in the City of Sheffield but it isn't within the city borders? Just like places such as Hollow Meadows among others in the Peak District National Park. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 19:20, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


 * It should be just about the settlement of Leeds, without information on all of the other towns, such as Pudsey which should be in that article. Things which are global to all of the settlements should go in the City of Leeds article, the council details in the Leeds City Council. A rewrite of the Leeds article was started but stalled I pinged the main author of that, that is still active, but they have not responded yet.


 * I would probably agree on Sheffield but that is what was said when it was suggested that that article should be split. It was one of the ones that it was decided to leave together.
 * Keith D (talk) 00:24, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It's been seven years so I'm going to reopen the discussion. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 15:50, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * If you didn't see it's at the Leeds talk page, and is there any reason the 2016 Women's Tour de Yorkshire doesn't have the good article icon? Thanks (and sorry for all the questions). Leeds United FC fan (talk) 20:35, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I have added the missing icon, it is usually added when the article is promoted but must have been forgotten for some reason.
 * I have also notified the projects about the Leeds merge as you appear to have only notified those who are looking for a merge. Keith D (talk) 23:17, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the good article template. Is it ok for me to add one if I see a missing article in future?
 * Sorry about that. I didn't intend to ask only the people who supported the merge, I just asked you as one of the main contributors to WikiProject Yorkshire and the most recent editors to the Leeds page (Of who I asked I was of the assumption you and Pam D support Split, one person hasn't voiced their opinion, and 2 others supported merge?). Anyway, thanks for notifying the WikiProject, hopefully there will be a wide range of opinions and we can conclude the best route to go down. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 18:36, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
Thanks for all of your time. If you could do a check that recent edits are all ok - that would be great. Thanks Keith Srbernadette (talk) 22:05, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Keith D (talk) 23:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Berney baronets
Please do a check up - is the box up the top OK? I placed it there myself. Thanks again Srbernadette (talk) 23:07, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ - I have moved the box to the top which is the usual place for it. Keith D (talk) 23:14, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Berney baronets
Thanks keith. can u please place ref number 9 at the end of that paragraph - infront of reference number 10 and with all the other references that are at the end of that paragraph. Thanks so much. Thanks again. Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.180.24 (talk) 11:41, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

You r very quick Keith! The number 9 ref only needs to be at the end of that paragraph with all the other refs. it is repeated unnecessarily. Can u fix up please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.180.24 (talk) 11:59, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Europe 10,000 Challenge invite
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Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
Hi Keith, I have added in a ref to a newspaper to a quote  - can you check that it is ok please if you have the time. Srbernadette (talk) 23:24, 6 November 2016 (UTC) Please leave new quotes in. Thanks form Mike

Berney baronets
I have done the same as the above page - Hi Keith, I have added in a ref to a newspaper to a quote. Please leave new quotes in. Thanks as always Srbernadette (talk) 23:24, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, I do not understand this addition. The quote should be from the main article noted in the reference. You appear to have extended the quote form a different source. As far as I can see this should be a separate reference. Keith D (talk) 23:32, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes - you are right. The extra information is from the on-line newspaper source. (It is newspaper number 12 - going down the list) http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/searchbna/results?memberlastsubclass=none&searchhistorykey=0&keywords=generak%20infirmary%20middleton%20princess%20mary%20leeds%20general%20informary%20%201932%20%20middleton&from=1920&to=1933

Above is the source - I will try to do this myself - please check up if you are able Thanks Mike

I have done it - and it looks OK to me - Can you please check

and also:

James Matthews (racing driver)
is it all OK? Thanks so much again, Mike

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
You will see that I have added some old newspaper reports as citations. I do hope that it is all OK. Can you please check - I have noticed that you sometimes place the name of the newspapers in italics - should that always be done? - it seem a good idea. Thanks again Mike  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.180.24 (talk) 10:22, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, newspaper titles are always in italics. Keith D (talk) 10:26, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Thnaks Keith

ONE LAST THING! Reference number 7 on the above page has a date - 26th February - which is not in the actual citation. It (the date) should be removed. The rest of the citation is fine. I am too scared to edit it in case I get it wrong. Thanks so much as usual. Mike

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Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
Sorry Keith Ref number 17 on this page also has the silly date in it -February 26 -;  which should be removed - (but not the quote itself)  Thanks  so much   Mike

Jamie Thackray
Why do you keep reverting my Edit if i have gotten the information and edited the changes with Jamie himself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexfr (talk • contribs) 09:22, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * See your talk page that I was editing when you sent this message. Keith D (talk) 09:26, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Leeds merger
Do you have any remaining concerns that could be addressed? Leeds United FC fan (talk) 18:14, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Most of your arguments are based on your thoughts / preferences and a large number of your statements are not backed up with any proof. The arguments you put forward are contradictory as to what should be done, especially over split for Birmingham and Sheffield articles. The most convincing argument for the split so far is the large percentage of population in the borough are not actually Leeds but some other place. Keith D (talk) 19:00, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The main problem is that Leeds is widely used to refer to the majority of places in the metropolitan borough that are not in the urban subdivision. Surely a merged article would be more representative of 'Leeds' as it includes all the possible ways one could define Leeds; the urban subdivision, metropolitan borough and the non-legally defined area that is commonly referred to as Leeds? And not only that, you even get more accurate statistics (things like population, GVA and other economy statistics) and sources. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 19:26, 9 November 2016 (UTC)