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Recent changes
 * Administrators and translation administrators can now use Special:PageLanguage on wikis with the Translate extension. This means you can say what language a page is in. The Translate extension will use that language as the source language when you translate. Previously this was always the wiki's default language. This was usually English.
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Problems
 * Some abuse filters for uploaded files have not worked as they should. We don't know exactly which filters didn't work yet. This means some files that filters should have prevented from being uploaded were uploaded to the wikis. MediaWiki.org and Testwiki have been affected since 13 October. Commons and Meta have been affected since 17 October. Other wikis have been affected since 17 November.

Changes this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. There will be no new MediaWiki version next week either.

Meetings
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Future changes
 * The 2016 Community Wishlist Survey is done. It decides what the Community Tech team will work on during 2017. You can see the results.

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Merry, merry!
From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:08, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Arsh Shah Dilbagi
I have been managing the page for a while but there are severe problems pertaining to Wiki policies. Kindly check if you can contribute to rectify the same otherwise the page will be deleted soon.

SteveDorf (talk) 05:45, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - January 2017
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Welcome back
I hope that you had a good Christmas? Wishing you a happy new year. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 21:23, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, many thanks, I had a good time and managed to see the opening events of the 2017 Hull UK City of Culture programme. Will take me sometime to get back up to date but hopefully will get back to normal next week. Hope you are OK and happy new year. Keith D (talk) 21:40, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-02
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Recent changes
 * You can now use datasets on Commons. You can see an example that is using this source.
 * There is a new opt-in beta feature of a wikitext mode for the visual editor. You can try it out.
 * When you update a page with translations on wikis with the Translate extension the existing translations will be marked as outdated instead of removed.
 * The new version of MediaWiki was released to all wikis last week (calendar).
 * MoodBar has been removed from the Wikimedia wikis.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The  option for the Tipsy notice tool has been removed. Gadgets and user scripts which use it need to be updated.

Problems
 * Editors who use Firefox 50 might get logged out or fail to save their edits. This is because of a browser bug. Until this is fixed you can enter  in the address bar and set   to 5000. Firefox 50 is the current version of the Firefox.

Changes this week
 * There is no new version of MediaWiki this week because of the Wikimedia Developer Summit.

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Tech News: 2017-03
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Recent changes
 * You can now upload WebP files to Commons.

Problems
 * video2commons was down for two weeks. This was because of a problem with Commons video transcoders. It is now back up.

Changes this week
 * There is a new magic word called . It returns the language of the page you are at. This can be used on wikis with more than one language to make it easier for translators.
 * When an admin blocks a user or deletes or protects a page they give a reason why. They can now get suggestions when they write. The suggestions will be based on the messages in the dropdown menu.
 * You will be able to use  to write chemical formulas. Before you could use  .   should be replaced by.
 * You now can add exceptions for categories which shouldn't be shown on Special:UncategorizedCategories. The list is at MediaWiki:Uncategorized-categories-exceptionlist.
 * The "Columns" and "Rows" settings will be removed from the Editing tab in Preferences. If you wish to keep what the "Rows" setting did you can add this code to your personal CSS:  You can change the number   to make it look like you want to.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Sometimes edits in MediaWiki by mistake are shown coming from private IP addresses such as 127.0.0.1. Edits and other contributions logged to these IP addresses will be blocked and shown the reason from MediaWiki:Softblockrangesreason. This should not affect most users. Bots and other tools running on Wikimedia Labs, including Tool Labs will receive a "blocked" error if they try to edit without being logged in.
 * When you edit with the visual editor categories will be on the top of the page options menu.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 January. It will be on all wikis from 19 January (calendar).

Meetings
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Bob Marley
Hi. I understand why you reversed the author names in the Bob Marley article; however, I am in the process of creating an alphabetical author list (see the sources list at the end of the Bob_Marley section), in which the surnames are listed first for convenience as standard, but in the running reference list because the running list is unable to be presented in an alphabetical manner it makes for easier reading to have the names as normal (Rita Marley rather than Marley, Rita, for example) See Covent Garden as an example.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  17:20, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The whole article should be in the same order for consistency and not one in surname first and the other in Christian name first as that is just confusing. Keith D (talk) 17:25, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree; I am working on it, just haven't completed it yet. I suspected you changed the name order as you were unaware that it had been done purposefully, and that I was still in the process of completing it. I am now letting you know that the names were not changed by accident, and that I have the matter in hand; also to reassure you that it is acceptable to have people's names in readable order in the random list, provided the authors are listed alphabetically by surname below, as shown in Covent Garden. If you are still unsure on this point, we can move this discussion to the talkpage of the article.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  10:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I would also say that Convent Garden is also wrong and that it should choose one way or other and align in that way. Keith D (talk) 11:17, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-04
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Recent changes
 * You can see a list of the templates on a page you edit with the visual editor.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 January. It will be on all wikis from 26 January (calendar).

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Deletion of Redirects?
Hi, Keith. First off many apologies as I have created a monster.

I have written an article about the Leeds, Bradford and Halifax Junction Railway. Unfortunately, there are some redirects with this name already. I tried to move the pages, forgetting (D'oh) that when you do, it creates a re-direct to the original page name, so I now have six redirects out there with variations on the name I wish to use.

Do I go through the G6 Speedy deletion process or go to requested moves. Seriously, because at this point I have no idea. Thanks (as always). Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 21:37, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * PS - if you do look at the article, the Categories are deliberately not linked as yet as I never like to link them until it is officially an article, otherwise when perusing categories you get pages that begin with User:...... which I think looks messy. Regards.The joy of all things (talk) 21:37, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You could initially use Db-move to delete a page that is holding-up a move, but there appears to be no tag for redirects that have just been created from moves. I will try and un-pick the redirects. Keith D (talk) 22:29, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keith, as ever, I am indebted to you. Thanks for your help. Regards.The joy of all things (talk) 22:59, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

four pages
Hi Keith - if you can, please check these 4 pages Gibside and also Duchess of Cambridge and also Edward Marjoribanks, 2nd Baron Tweedmouth James Bryce, 1st Viscount Bryce

They are all to do with north of the UK!!! Thanks so much. M. E. Reed

Tech News: 2017-05
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Recent changes
 * The OAuth management interfaces now look slightly different.

Changes this week
 * ElectronPdfService will be enabled by default on Meta and German Wikipedia. This is a new way to get articles as PDF files you can download. It will come to more wikis later.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from January 31. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from February 1. It will be on all wikis from February 2 (calendar).

Future changes
 * The Community Tech team will develop more tools to handle harassment of Wikimedia editors. The goal is to give the communities better tools to find, report and evaluate harassment. They will also work on more effective blocking tools.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The Wikimedia technical community is doing a Developer Wishlist survey. Developers can propose ideas before 31 January 23:59 UTC. This is soon.

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Administrators' newsletter - February 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2017). This first issue is being sent out to all administrators, if you wish to keep receiving it please subscribe. Your feedback is welcomed.

Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg NinjaRobotPirate • Schwede66 • K6ka • Ealdgyth • Ferret • Cyberpower678 • Mz7 • Primefac • Dodger67
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Briangotts • JeremyA • BU Rob13

Guideline and policy news
 * A discussion to workshop proposals to amend the administrator inactivity policy at Wikipedia talk:Administrators has been in process since late December 2016.
 * Pending changes/Request for Comment 2016 closed with no consensus for implementing Pending changes level 2 with new criteria for use.
 * Following an RfC, an activity requirement is now in place for bots and bot operators.

Technical news
 * When performing some administrative actions the reason field briefly gave suggestions as text was typed. This change has since been reverted so that issues with the implementation can be addressed. (T34950)
 * Following the latest RfC concluding that Pending Changes 2 should not be used on the English Wikipedia, an RfC closed with consensus to remove the options for using it from the page protection interface, a change which has now been made. (T156448)
 * The Foundation has announced a new community health initiative to combat harassment. This should bring numerous improvements to tools for admins and CheckUsers in 2017.

Arbitration
 * The Arbitration Committee released a response to the Wikimedia Foundation's statement on paid editing and outing.

Obituaries
 * JohnCD (John Cameron Deas) passed away on 30 December 2016. John began editing Wikipedia seriously during 2007 and became an administrator in November 2009.

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WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - February 2017
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Tech News: 2017-06
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Problems
 * The block log sometimes showed blocks as being much longer than they were. This has now been fixed.

Changes this week
 * Wikimedia pages will now be better at showing pictures when you share them on social media. The descriptions will be different too. You can see an example of before and after.
 * Octicons-tools.svg There are some changes to the OOjs UI. Some old functions will not work anymore or not work as they used to. This could be a breaking change.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 February. It will be on all wikis from 9 February (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 7 February at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg Tidy will be replaced later this year. Instead, the HTML 5 parsing algorithm will be used to clean up bad HTML in wikitext. This will cause problems on a number of wikis. They need to be fixed first. You can see if your wiki still has something to fix here for one of the HTML problems. This list does not cover all problems. You can read about more problems.

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Re Redirects to Hull and East Yorkshire Hospitals NHS Trust
Hi Keith. The information in the Wikipedia articles that I redirected to the Hull and East Yorkshire Hospitals NHS Trust article was out of date. I used to work/volunteer with the groups they pertain to, but do not any more - so I don't feel that it is my place to continue updating content for them on Wikipedia. There is information about the Trust's MRI scanners in the Hull Royal Infirmary article, so perhaps that would be a better target for that redirection? And as for the Consumer Research Panel, you could add information about the Trust's research reviewer role if you like.

Dj manton (talk) 09:37, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Exit Calm
Hi,

As as admin, I'd be interested in your input on a "dispute" on the article on the band Exit Calm. Basically, when the band split up they released a press release via Facebook which was also reproduced on other/another music news site. The singer, who has identified himself as such as user Nicosmith23, has been repeatedly removing various aspects of the article - reference to the reason given for the split, reference to a solo gig and also the image used in the infobox. No real reason has been given, other than that "it's not true" (there's even video footage on YouTube of the gig in question). They have now started getting the original references yanked, in the aim of there then being no possible reference to use and so they will then be able to keep it removed.

Another admin (Ad Orientem) has been "involved", but I just thought it would be helpful to have more than one long time editor look at this. I'm just personally surprised that an editor/single use account can remove referenced text over and over again, make personal attacks in edit summaries, have multiple warning yet not get banned.

Jimmygotyback (talk) 14:09, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, it looks like the other editor was blocked for a short time at the end of January but is now able to edit again, but their edits will be monitored. I think that the short bit from Facebook is probably not worth including as it is poorly sourced and it is a little negative and per WP:BLP would need some substantial WP:RS. Though I see that some other editor has balanced this with further quotes from source. Keith D (talk) 22:44, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

/* Other */ added details of abuse received from Mulholland
Sorry - I am a brand new user and have no idea why you removed my piece - it is factually correct and follows on from a similar comment from another user. I have provided a reference where backup information can be found. Sorry - I do not even know how to use this page! Steventgreen (talk) 14:45, 10 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you don't mind my dropping in to comment while Keith is having his tea (or whatever) but I just wanted to say that before you edit much more you should probably read about what we consider a reliable source and about why coming here to do a political expose and Right Great Wrongs is a bad idea and probably doomed to failure. Honestly, your current approach is not going to bear much fruit - not because we are a bunch of uncaring b*st*rds but because we are an encyclopaedia, and therefore unsuited to your current purpose. Sorry and best wishes DBaK (talk) 19:27, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for intervention by DBaK. The information that you are trying to add is rather negative about the subject and is very poorly sourced to some tweet. You would need to provide much stronger reliable sources to support this such as The Times or other broadsheet newspapers for it to stand as it falls under out biographies of living person's policy. I also have to warn you of our policy on the three-revert rule that stops people reverting the same or related edits more than 3-times in any 24-hour period. You have already violated this but have not been warned but if you violate again you will receive an editing block. You need to take this to the article talk page and discuss the reasons that you think this material should be included in the article. You need to make your case and see what others think. My guess is that will be difficult as you have already been reverted by different people who think it should not be included. Keith D (talk) 23:04, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
Please check that recent edits are ok. Also these pages: Glen Affric, James Matthews (racing driver) and Spencer Matthews Thanks as always.

Article on Camden Lock
Hi Keith. I noticed that you made some edits to Camden Lock, which I have been working on, and wondered if you have any opinions about the "Cultural References" section. To my mind, several of them are trivia, and as noted on the talk page, I cannot find any supporting references. I am not sure whether to remove them or not. Thanks. Bob1960evens (talk) 17:31, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, looks like I was tidying-up the NHLE templates when I did the edit. A quick look and I would suggest that the ones with references could be left and the rest moved to the talk page with note about unreferenced just in case any one wants to find references for them. I would probably demote the section to below transport and move the See also section up above the references while editing the article. Keith D (talk) 17:47, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-07
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Recent changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg EventStreams is a new way to show activity on Wikimedia wikis. For now it works with the recent changes feed. It will do more things later. It will replace RCStream. Tools that use RCStream should move to EventStreams before 7 July.

Problems
 * The Firefox add-on Firefogg can cause problems with the Upload Wizard. This will not be fixed, because Firefox will not support Firefogg in the future. The Upload Wizard will no longer work with Firefogg.
 * Tool Labs and Wikimedia Labs databases will be under maintenance on 15 February. This will start at 17:00 (UTC) and last for about six hours. Some tools could have problems during or after this.

Changes this week
 * The TwoColConflict extension is a new way to solve edit conflicts. It makes it easier to copy and paste the relevant text to the text field. It will come to Meta and German Wikipedia this week. It is already available on MediaWiki.org. It will come to more wikis later.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 February. It will be on all wikis from 16 February (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 14 February at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Page Previews will be turned on for logged-out users on the Catalan, Greek, Russian, and Italian Wikipedias in the middle of February. Page Previews shows readers a short part of a linked article when they rest their mouse pointer on the link. This is to help them understand what it is about without leaving the article they are reading. Page Previews used to be called Hovercards. It will come to more wikis later this spring.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The Developer Wishlist is a list where developers prioritize tools they need. The voting closes at 14 February 23:59 (UTC). This process is only for developers.

Review
 * You can read the 2016 product summary from the Wikimedia Foundation Product group to see what they did with things they said they would work on in the annual plan.

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Kiplingcotes Derby
Keith You are right that all the source references for the Kiplingcotes Derby say that the 2017 race will be the 498th and the 2016 race was the 497th, etc. The problem is that all the source references are wrong. The first race was in 1519 (so everyone says). It has been run every year since: it has to be run every year or the race must cease (that is one of the beauties of the race). This all being the case the 2017 race will be 499th not the 498th. This numbering is basic Maths (it isn't a matter of opinion thing such as the "when did the new Millennium start: 2000 or 2001?"). It is tempting to think: "2017 minus 1519 = 498, so the race in 2017 must be the 498th". Tempting to think this but wrong. Think of it this way: 1519 = 1st race 1520 = 2nd race 1521 = 3rd race (but 1521 - 1519 = 2 not 3) And so on, ad infinitum. If the first race had been in 1901, the race in 2000 would have been the 100th not the 99th (2000 minus 1901 = 99). I think everyone will see this easily enough.

(It would be a real shame if the 500th race in 2018 went unacknowledged).

Best wishes

Peter Holdridge (my dad was born in one of the farm houses by the course). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Holdridge (talk • contribs) 19:26, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The problem is that is original research and as such is unacceptable, we have to report only what sources tell us. Unless you can find a reliable source that quotes 499 then we cannot state that. Keith D (talk) 20:18, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment which led to a long and wide ranging conversation with my son this evening. He referred me to the Wikipedia page on "arithmetic progression" which explains the Maths as to why the 2018 race will be the 500th (if the 1st race was in 1519) and why the London Olympiad was the 30th not the 29th (no argument on that one). He also explained to me why Wikipedia must have the position on sources that it does and why you won't accept the Wiki page on arithmetic progression as a source. If you can give me a contact for the Kiplingcotes Derby organisers, then I can get my son to explain arithmetic progression to them and I might get somewhere. For now I will reflect on the fact that Wikipedia truly is the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy made flesh: "where it is inaccurate it is at least definitively inaccurate. In cases of major discrepancy it's always reality that's got it wrong." Best wishes, Peter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Holdridge (talk • contribs) 21:42, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * My guess is that there was some skip in the race when the calendar changed in 1752 that accounts for the numbering. Keith D (talk) 21:57, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Date formats
Cheers for your help on the Nilsen article, Keith. Maybe I ought to focus just on British and European crime cases lol. Kez.--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:45, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

John Dalgleish Donaldson
Is ref number 6 correct Thanks as usual 101.182.96.231 (talk) 08:19, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[
 * Looks OK, though I have tweaked some of the other refs. Keith D (talk) 13:19, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Gateshead
Hello Keith D, I was involved in a brief debate with Samuel J Walker on this in December last year and we reached a compromise. If you look through my history on this account to date you can see the debate. I would like to hear your suggestion on this sentence? Btw I'd suggest something like 'Gateshead once lay in the Historic County of County Durham.' Rather than 'Historically part of County Durham.'

Reasoning: My problem is with the prefix term 'Historically,' in that I do not think it is neutral when you have numerous historical documents with a different premise that could also prefix the premise with 'historically'. A loose prefixed term like 'historically' could only ever be neutral if there was only 'one' historical document that showed it belonged to something. In the case of Gateshead and boundaries there are clearly numerous historical documents (more than three) you can cite that you could prefix with the term historically. And each would have factual validity.

At the same time you could prefix each premise with the term historically and this would bring encyclopaedic neutrality; however, I think then putting historically part of xyz, and historically part of abc is redundant. Therefore I'd suggest for the sake of neutrality that the term 'historically' should not prefix a premise in any article when there is another different cited premise that can also be prefix with the term historically in the article.

Example of the logic: if you have two historical documents 'abc' and 'xyz.' The documents show that a car, lets call the car 'def', was once ran by person A and person B. Then I think prefixing 'historically ran by person A' and not putting 'historically ran by person B' is not neutral and is misleading. As in why should the xyz historical document have more prominence than the abc document and vice versa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barkleave09 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I tagged the sentence because as it stands it does not make sense looks as though there is some words missing. Thinking about what you say I think you get the same problem with historic county for which historic county are you talking about as the counties varied over time. The standard currently used in most articles is "historically part of" for the more recent changes to counties in 1974. If you think there is a problem then remove it from the lead and give more detail in the history section. Or open a discussion on the article talk page to get wider input. Keith D (talk) 22:20, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Btw I agree the sentence does not make perfect sense.
 * The sentence was the result of a long discussion over many days between me and Samuel J Walker. Btw, we asked for mediation but got none... Samuel wanted to go with something like 'Historically part of County Durham, I did not.
 * Anyway my problem is with the prefixing term 'historically' All that is needed to prefix the term historically is a historical document..
 * However we have documents that show the boundary of Gateshead was historically part of Gateshead County Borough from 183X... We have a document that Gateshead is historically part of Tyne & Wear; we have documents that shows Gateshead was historically once part of the Historic county of County Durham, we have historical documents that Gateshead was part of xyz and so on.. But it would be redundant and repetitive to prefix all the statements with the term historically.
 * My problem is a one with equality of statement and neutrality. Example why would one validated premise get prominence that its historical existence was more important that another validated premise (that also cited a document with proven historical existence)? All I reasoned was the prefix historically should be dropped for the sake of neutrality to all the other statements that are also historical. Again I suggest changing 'Historically part of County Durham.' to 'Gateshead was once part of County Durham.' <- or something else just as neutral... It is not a big issue. What do you think? Barkleave09 (talk) 23:41, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * As another user is also querying this in their edit summary to that sentence. I think that you need to raise this on the article talk page so that those interested in the article can have input to it rather than discuss the problem on a user talk page. Keith D (talk) 23:56, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-08
<section begin="technews-2017-W08"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The edit summary box is now a little bit bigger. This is to make it follow the Wikimedia design guide.

Changes this week
 * Page Previews will be updated on 23 February. This fixes many bugs. Page Previews can be turned on as the Beta Feature called Hovercards.
 * Octicons-tools.svg There has been a problem where the CSS of gadgets has been loading twice. The Gadgets extension has two new options:  and  . The   option solves this problem. You can use   to create gadgets with more than one style module. Read more about type and peers.
 * Octicons-tools.svg OAuth will handle blocked users in a more consistent way.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 February. It will be on all wikis from 23 February (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 21 February at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Repeated unsourced (and very dodgy) additions to W. H. Auden
Hello Keith D,

User 69.142.170.183 keeps making the same unsourced, unclear, and improbable-sounding edit to W. H. Auden. You've already reverted him once, and I hope you might consider taking further action. That user is very persistent, and this may need the powers of an admin to get things sorted out. Thank you in advance. - Macspaunday (talk) 18:48, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * And thanks for your timely intervention. - Macspaunday (talk) 21:36, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Outing
Dear Keith,

Sorry to bother you with my probably-trivial worry. Is this outing? It maybe isn't as I am not sure she is trying to conceal her identity, so maybe does not matter, though it's not obvious to me that the user adding this necessarily has her consent to do so. Also, after an encounter last night with this editor, who appears to own the article about her I have absolutely lost my enthusiasm for being involved and I certainly cannot approach him about this. I just thought that as a matter of conscience I should check with an admin whilst walking away as rapidly as possible and hoping for no further involvement there. So, if it's not, then great, and everyone is happy. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 10:25, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I have deleted the user page identifying the person. I have also made some minor changes to the Rachel Collinson page and will see what happens. Keith D (talk) 11:14, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. I will happily stay well away from this now. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 13:17, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Keith, I've undone a batch of unconstructive edits just now but not sure whether the talk page should be left as is. Over to you as an administrator to take things forward. Pam  D  18:51, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking after this. I have deleted the user page as they should not be creating it. Previous twice they have been attacking or outing the user. Keith D (talk) 19:07, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Carole Middleton
Hi Keith, Please add to the above page Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge into the category section at the very bottom of this page - it is relevant. Thanks so much as usual from Mike, a Northerner man at heart! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.96.231 (talk • contribs) 07:39, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry but cannot see what you are after as we do not have a Category:Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge or Category:Carole Middleton. Both pages are in Category:Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge. Keith D (talk) 11:46, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Reece Lyne
Hi Keith D, it's because the original wiki-link was '[ [Wakefield Trinity Wildcats|Wakefield Trinity] ]' when it really should have been '[ [Wakefield Trinity Wildcats] ]', it looks like I'll have to correct these erroneous wiki-links manually. Without moving clubs, but due to the club re-renaming, Reece Lyne is now at Wakefield Trinity having previously been at Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 16:32, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Henry VIII & The 1511 Westminster Tournament Roll
Hi Kieth

I am writing to you as someone who has made a number of edits to Henry VIII's entry.

I recently made an edit to Henry VIII adding reference to The 1511 Westminster Tournament Roll. The edits I made have been removed.

They have been removed by Celia Homeford who is not contactable. I would normally contact her direct and ask her why she deleted the reference.

So instead I'm asking your good self - is there any reason why Henry VIII's entry should not include a reference to  The 1511 Westminster Tournament Roll Wikipedia entry as I understood matters the preference is to use Wikipedia references wherever possible ?

My instinct is to undo Celia Homeford's edit but would welcome you input in order to decide what to do.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lagosman (talk • contribs) 10:36, 27 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, I am not really a regular contributor to that article, but I cannot see why there should not be a link to the 1511 Westminster Tournament Roll article there as they are relevant. Though I would not put the "to be found in the College of Arms collection" part in as that is not relevant to Henry VIII and is to be found on the link of anyone wants to find out about Roll. Keith D (talk) 12:26, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Keith, I'll update the entry with the 1511 Westminster Tournament Roll but exclude the College of Arms reference  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lagosman (talk • contribs) 12:40, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

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Your recent deletion
I notice you just deleted a file by the name of File:Ataque Dos Titãs - Episódio 1 - Para Você, Dois Mil Anos Depois (Legendado) HD Deezy.webm. Who was the original uploader? If it was in fact a movie file, please add the uploader to Sockpuppet investigations/Ju English. This fits that user's behavioral patterns, and is likely related to cross-wiki WP:ZERO abuse by many different users. (see threads at ANI, Catalan Wikipedia AN) &mdash; Train2104 (t • c) 20:40, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I deleted it as it did not make sense and had no file attached to it as though it was created in the wrong namespace. It was created by Keith D (talk) 20:50, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Blank file, got it. Keeping an eye on the user... Thanks! &mdash; Train2104 (t • c) 20:53, 1 March 2017 (UTC)