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Persian Gulf naming dispute
Hello - hope you're enjoying your holiday. I've reverted a number of edits at Persian Gulf naming dispute to restore the article to a state before vandalism. Unfortunately that means your edit here has been reverted for which I apologise, and hope you can reapply your work. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:20, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for letting me know. I have reapplied the date fixes to the latest version of the article. Keith D (talk) 10:49, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Spencer Matthews
Another "Yorkshire-ish" page for you to please check RE my recent edits. I think that ref 14 - the book which is the same as ref number 1 - should have an IBSN  number. Thanks as usual.

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Tech News: 2017-20
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Tech News: 2017-21
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Abu Eesa Niamatullah
Hello! I am notifying interested projects and editors that I've listed Abu Eesa Niamatullah for discussion at AfD, and you were listed on the revision history page.

I invite you to contribute to the discussion. Mujaddouda (talk) 23:35, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Lupton family
Please check my recent additions if you are able. Thanks as always Teddy

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Updated maps
Hi Keith; hope the time away has been good. Don't know is this is an issue or not but all the maps for Yorkshire are out of date, specifically they should have a blue line running up them to show that the A1(M) will be fully open this summer (some parts are already being used). I am assuming the maps are transcluded, but I don't know if this is an issue or not, or indeed to whom I should be reporting it to. See Settle for an example. Thanks Keith and regards. The joy of all things (talk) 22:10, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, had a good break but will take me some time to catch up. Thinking about it the East Riding of Yorkshire maps are also out of date as the B1244 was reclassified as A1035 in 2013, there is also a new Beverley northern by-pass that opened earlier this year which is missing from the maps but that is not on the OS maps as yet. created the maps from the OS OpenData information may be you could ask them to see if an update can be done. Keith D (talk) 19:59, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2017-23
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 * New users on Wikivoyages and Wikipedias (except French, English and German) now get a notification when a page they created is connected to Wikidata. Other wikis will get it 13 June.

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Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
Please Keith can you replace the photo file that was removed 5 edits ago by the editor esmgee. This is an important and very popular article with strong Yorkshire references. Thanks as usual. Ted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.69.169 (talk) 12:37, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

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Dieumerci Mbokani
Hi!

Mbokani isn't a player of Olympiacos F.C. yet. According to Greek media he's on a plane to Greece in order to discuss his transfer to the club. Because of this various IP's and some users adding him to the club or even changing his stats. Pavlos1988 (talk) 18:44, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

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I'm confused
Removing a G12 because it's been previously prodded? Also, FWIW, I went back on my own A7, because I figured I would give someone else the chance to look at it, who might be more "hip" and know whether it could be saved. Timothy Joseph Wood 17:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It looked as though there had been a previous speedy deletion of A7 and as there is supposed to only be a single speedy on an article I removed the subsequent tag. Keith D (talk) 17:56, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * What do you mean one single speedy on an article? An article can and should be tagged with multiple criteria if it fits and while I'm not contesting a non-deletion on a 50% copyvio, I'm not sure I understand what you mean? Articles can and are speedied repeatedly. It's one of many reasons we have .  CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  18:00, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I... I'm pretty sure you're confusing PROD and CSD. An article can be tagged for as many CSD criteria as it's eligible for. And even if A7 had been declined (instead of me really just "passing" by removing my own tag after having second thoughts), having an A7 declined doesn't really reflect on whether it's eligible for other criteria, and definitely not one with legal implications like G12.


 * PROD is the one that can be challenged by anyone, even the creator, and it shouldn't be readded, but that's only another PROD, and itself doesn't affect CSD or BLPPROD at all. Timothy Joseph Wood  18:02, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Huh? Articles get tagged (appropriately) with multiple CSD criteria all the time. Also, removing a copyvio tag without removing the related copyvio? I'm also very confused. I think you goofed, it's OK, mistakes happen. Waggie (talk) 18:06, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You are right it is PROD that is only a single event which is what I was alluding to in the edit summary. Sorry I was not thinking straight, as I keep loosing the connection at the moment, will reverse. Keith D (talk) 18:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Umm... assuming Chrissy was successful in removing the bit that was copyrvio, it's not exactly eligible for G12 any more, since that requires no non-infringing content on the page worth saving. I think the most it needs right now is a revdel of everything from this edit backward. Unless I'm missing something, the article's probably gonna stick, unless someone who knows more about it than I wants to go to AfD, but looking around the web, I have my doubts. Timothy Joseph Wood  18:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


 * " I'd say this is a pretty decent G11 candidate but I cba to deal with it at the moment. Also worth noting the creator's username + record label name... CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  18:22, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Possibly G11. The creator has been recently warned (by myself) for COI editing. Let's let the dust settle a bit before continuing, though, please. I'm sure the editor is confused and upset right now. I say we give them a chance to improve it further before tagging it with anything else. Waggie (talk) 18:27, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I have removed the restored G12 and redacted the text of the earlier revisions. Hope that sorts it for now. Keith D (talk) 18:29, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Salt End
Hi Keith. I have revamped Salt End because there were tags stating citations were needed and also because most of the information was hideously out of date. However, I noticed that I had left some typos behind and I cleaned up after myself, but there's a good chance I have missed some. Could you swing by when you have time? Thanks and regards. The joy of all things (talk) 15:04, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Tranby Croft (band) for deletion
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St Helen's Church, Kilnsea
Dear Keith, I see you started Kilnsea and I'm wondering if you know anything about the Church of St Helen there? I found it while doing a Geograph search for something else entirely. It certainly looks like Burges's work, but I can't find it in J. Mordaunt Crook, who is rarely in error. However, the 2005 Pevsner/Neave Yorkshire:East Riding says "Built at a cost of £420, of which £150 was contributed by 'Mr A. Burgess, a civil engineer of London'. The plans were provided free by his two sons - one of whom was the architect William Burges." I can't find it on the Historic England site, though it must be listed if it is Burges. Google suggests that it's now a private house, and may have fallen into the sea! I'd be fascinated to know anything about it and could add it to the List of buildings by William Burges. Thanks in anticipation. KJP1 (talk) 12:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I cannot find any details of it being listed - the only listed structure in Kinlsea appears to be the Acoustic Mirror. The previous church is the one that fell in to the sea, this one was built to replace it. The account of the consecration in the York Herald, 29 April 1865 page 9, says "Burgess, Esquire, C.E., Blackheath, Kent, who contributed £150, and the designs, plans, and specifications for the buildings". The church was still standing in 2015 when I took a couple of photos of it and it is not that near the sea to have fallen in to it. I suspect that the pub and the road would go first. It was de-consecrated in the 1990s and looked rather overgrown and unused in 2015 so may have since been converted into a residence. Keith D (talk) 13:59, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Many thanks indeed. It is fascinating - I cannot work out what he was doing in that remote part of Yorkshire, why his father should have made a significant donation, why we don't know who the patrons were and why Crook doesn't mention it. One would think there may be some connection with Bewholme Vicarage, they're too close for coincidence. His big Yorkshire patron was Ripon. Were they Ripon livings perhaps? Definitely worth some further investigation. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 16:43, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Here is another snippet that may throw some light on it from the Yorkshire Gazette - Saturday 22 April 1865 page 4 "But the great liberality of Mr. A. Burgess C.E., of Blackheath, who having occasionally passed the place on his professional visits to Spurn Point and struck with the poverty of the place, having heard that an effort was being made for building a church, most kindly offered plans free of all expense, and gave £150 towards its completion;" Keith D (talk) 18:35, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Keith (Talk page stalker) - still have you on my watchlist after my request about Salt End (thanks for tidying that BTW). - I had seen some stuff when I was re-writing the Yorkshire Coast article; there is a pastscape listing and also a book listing which suggests the church has an octagonal font. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2017 (UTC)


 * All very helpful. So, is the answer that Burges Sr, visiting Spurn Point for his engineering work (what were Walker and Burges doing there?), gets his sons (?) to draw up the plans and chips in £150? Did Burges Jr ever actually go there? All very interesting and certainly worth some more digging. Thanks to you both and best regards. KJP1 (talk) 20:32, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keith, have now created the article, here, Church of St Helen, Kilnsea. You don't have an online reference for the 1865 Yorkshire Gazette, by any chance? KJP1 (talk) 08:14, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I have added reference detail to the article. Thanks for creating. Keith D (talk) 10:31, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * This James Walker (engineer) tells me that he was Chief Engineer to Trinity House, leading to considerable involvement in the construction of lighthouses. And Alfred was his partner in Walker and Burgess(s). And this was built by Trinity House at Spurn Head in the early 1850s. Is that what Alfred was doing? KJP1 (talk) 09:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Many thanks indeed! KJP1 (talk) 10:47, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


 * To round this tale off, I've submitted a listing request to Historic England, following their confirmation that the church isn't listed. It bloody well should be. It really is surprising where Wikipedia sometimes takes you. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 21:11, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
Hi Keith - I have stuffed up ref number 7. Please leave in quote - thanks as always with your Yorkshire connections - Ted
 * I have fixed the ref problem for you. Keith D (talk) 10:49, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-26
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Ben Bradley (politician)
Hi Keith, you edited this page saying "If we are keeping then lets have a valid date format". I think we should remove the content sourced by facebook, and have said so on the talk page - guessing by your edit summary you agree? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 21:07, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * As you modified it I assumed that we are keeping the change. I think we should get a better source for the information and was going to tag better source before your edit but I got an edit conflict. Keith D (talk) 21:12, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Eduelanka
Hi Keith. Please check again. I don't think this is a BLP. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:29, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have changed tag. Keith D (talk) 10:31, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2017-27
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 * Very old and inactive unpublished translations in the Content Translation database will be removed. This is because of technical maintenance. If you have not worked on a translation after 1 January 2016 you will lose it after 6 July. If you want to keep the unfinished translation you need to open it before 6 July with the Content Translation tool. You can continue working on it later. Translations that were started or have been worked on after 1 January 2016 will not be affected.
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SMILE! 9 July 2017
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"> Hello Keith D, Me-123567-Me has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Me-123567-Me (talk) 16:22, 9 July 2017 (UTC) Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Tech News: 2017-28
<section begin="technews-2017-W28"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * There are sometimes links to pages about the same thing on other Wikimedia projects. A Wikipedia article about Berlin can link to the Wikivoyage guide or Wiktionary entry about Berlin. You can now see when that page has a badge. A badge could be the star that shows that an article is a featured article.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Mobile users will be able to edit Wikipedia without JavaScript. This will make it possible to edit the wikis from older mobile phones. This will probably happen on 18 July for most wikis.
 * We will not use Tidy on Wikimedia wikis in the future. It will be replaced by June 2018. It could be earlier. Editors will need to fix pages that could break. You can read the simplified instructions for editors.

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Help
Could you please look into SubRE's editing history, he is vandalising pages I've created and it all seems fishy, my full real details social networking profiles and phone number will be given to you if asked

PS Hull is lovely!was there last weekend Asouko (talk) 10:53, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, glad you liked your visit to Hull, hope that you took in some of the City of Culture events that are on while you were there.
 * Had a look at their editing history and apart from a couple of previous edits that seem to be valid from last year, all they appear to be doing now is trying to get rid of things by Phase (band) with deletion requests for a number of their song articles. They also appear to have removed some of the referencing to the main article, some of which were dubious, such as the facebook one, but some of the others look to be OK. Not an area of expertise so would not know if they were considered reliable. Will have to see how the ADF's go as looks like there is another delete in there from an established editor. Keith D (talk) 21:25, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Keith Hoping that you can check some new edits on these two pages - Glen Affric and Lupton family. Your comments on the talk section of the Lupton family page are again welcome - we hope that you can comment again how the page should still be given an "up-grade" - given that it is a very well-researched (thanks often to you!). Thanks again Ted101.189.184.64 (talk) 07:20, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-29
<section begin="technews-2017-W29"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * "Wikimedia Labs" is now called "Cloud VPS". "Wikimedia Tool Labs" is now called "Wikimedia Toolforge". This is to help clarify the purpose of these services.

Problems
 * On some pages, the Table of Contents is not being shown. It will normally appear if you edit the page again. Investigation is currently ongoing.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 July. It will be on all wikis from 20 July (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 18 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is: Migrate to HTML5 section ids. The meeting will be on 19 July at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Page Previews, currently a Beta Feature, will be enabled for logged-out users for all remaining Wikipedias (with the exception of English and German) the week of 24 July. An A/B test will be run on English Wikipedia to collect data before approaching the community for further discussion.

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Tech News: 2017-30
<section begin="technews-2017-W30"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg CSS in templates will be stored in a separate page in the future. This will make it easier to make templates look good on mobile devices. This now works on mediawiki.org and Wikitech. It will come to more wikis later.
 * Octicons-tools.svg  modifier class is deprecated and has been removed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * It will be possible to restrict who can send you notifications on a wiki. This new feature will accessible in your preferences, in the Notifications tab, on Wednesday, July 26. Please see the documentation.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the Wikimedia Foundation July 2017 Metrics & Activities Meeting. The meeting is about how Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement are perceived and understood by the world. The meeting will be on at 19:00 (UTC). See the agenda and how to join.

Future changes
 * New Filters for Edit Review, at the moment available as a Beta feature, will be released by default for the Recent Changes in September.

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Tech News: 2017-31
<section begin="technews-2017-W31"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Problems
 * Some pages show the error . This problem happens on pages with a Lua module that uses Wikidata. The developers are working on fixing the problem. You can fix a page by opening it for editing and then saving without changing anything.
 * Wikidata and German Wikipedia could not be edited for an hour on 28 July. You can read why and how we could avoid it in the future in the incident report.

Changes later this week
 * Some wikis already have the larger and brighter OOjs UI edit page buttons. All remaining wikis except Commons will have these from 1 August.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 August. It will be on all wikis from 3 August (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 1 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * The default font in the edit window will soon change for some users. Instead of using the browser default it will be monospace. Users can change this in their preferences. This should only change this for some users on Macs and iOS devices.

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Administrators' newsletter – August 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2017). Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Anarchyte • GeneralizationsAreBad • Cullen328 (first RfA to reach WP:300)
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Cprompt • Rockpocket • Rambo's Revenge • Animum • TexasAndroid • Chuck SMITH • MikeLynch • Crazytales • Ad Orientem

Guideline and policy news
 * Following a series of discussions around new pages patrol, the WMF is helping implement a controlled autoconfirmed article creation trial as a research experiment, similar to the one proposed in 2011. You can learn more about the research plan at meta:Research:Autoconfirmed article creation trial. The exact start date of the experiment has yet to be determined.
 * A new speedy deletion criterion, regarding articles created as a result undisclosed paid editing, is currently being discussed (permalink).
 * An RfC (permalink) is currently open that proposes expanding WP:G13 to include all drafts, even if they weren't submitted through Articles for Creation.

Technical news
 * LoginNotify should soon be deployed to the English Wikipedia. This will notify users when there are suspicious login attempts on their account.
 * The new version of XTools is nearing an official release. This suite of tools includes administrator statistics, an improved edit counter, among other tools that may benefit administrators. You can report issues on Phabricator and provide general feedback at mw:Talk:XTools.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:11, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello
Last year, there was a discussion about Leeds and City of Leeds. I created Talk:Leeds/newdraft as a proposal. Could this be deleted? Thanks. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 10:07, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes I have deleted it for you. Keith D (talk) 10:28, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - August 2017
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11:01, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello again
I'm sorry to trouble you but is it possible that you could temporarily restore Talk:Leeds/newdraft? Apologies. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 13:53, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I have restored it for you. Keith D (talk) 20:54, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for tolerating my lack of organisation. The page can be deleted now. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 21:35, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Lupton family
Thanks Keith for keeping your clever watchful eyes on this page - I have added  a couple of refs  - Please check if able. Also these 4 pages -

Earl of Courtown
new refs added

Pippa Middleton
are all refs OK?

Glen Affric
Are all refs OK?

Marmaduke Furness, 1st Viscount Furness
Are all refs OK? Thanks Ted

Tech News: 2017-32
<section begin="technews-2017-W32"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * You can now see which Wikipedia language versions are read in a specific country. This tool is called Wikipedia Views Visualized.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The Architecture Committee is now the Wikimedia Technical Committee. You can read the charter.

Problems
 * You can get an email when a page on your watchlist was edited. You can choose not to get emails for minor edits. There is a bug that means that you then don't get an email when someone does a normal edit after a minor edit. The developers are working on fixing this. Until it has been fixed you can activate "" at the bottom of "" in your preferences if you want to.
 * The thanks button sometimes didn't work for mobile users. This was because of a new bug and has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 August. It will be on all wikis from 10 August (calendar).

Future changes
 * Editors and readers who still use Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP will not be able to use Wikipedia. Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP can't connect securely to the wikis. When we allow them to do so it means that we get less security for everyone else. If you use Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP you can install Firefox 52 ESR instead. Around 0.1% of the traffic to the Wikimedia wikis comes from Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP.
 * Links to sections on Wikipedia don't work well in languages that don't use the Latin script. The URL in the address bar in your browser shows Latin characters like  instead of the section heading in the wiki's language. Links to sections in non-Latin scripts will be in the script of that wiki in the future. This will happen in the next few months.
 * Wiki pages printed by the web browser "Print" function will have an updated style. This new style will be similar to the when you download a page as PDF. It will be better at showing tables, infoboxes and headings.

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Michael Palin
Dear Keith D

Yesterday I altered Michael Palin's entry on Wiki........as you are aware I altered his place of birth from Broomhill, Sheffield to Ranmoor, Sheffield. From what I can establish you appear to have altered it back again. I've emailed Wiki and asked for my change to be reinstated.

Regards

Paul (Michael Palin's office)

Paul Bird Director Mayday Management PS Ltd 34 Tavistock Street Covent Garden London WC2E 7PB

Tel: 020 7497 1100 Mob: 07834 316 285

paulbird@maydaymgt.co.uk

www.themichaelpalin.com

www.palinstravels.co.uk

www.facebook.com/themichaelpalinpage — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.218.138.56 (talk) 11:37, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I chnged it back as it was changed by an IP editor without supplying any explanation and reliable source to support the change. Keith D (talk) 19:05, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Cathy Barry
Hi. A few months ago, an article on the famous UK porn star Cathy Barry was deleted with only 3 votes in favour - evidently very few editors noticed. Would appreciate it if you could help, as it seems bizarre that an article on a clearly notable figure can just be deleted on the say so of so few editors?!

92.18.55.1 (talk) 12:00, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The current entry is essentially the same as the one that was deleted so the present WP:G4 deletion will probably occur. The only substantial new material is the material relating to her husband so is not really relevant to her notability. You will need to provide some more substantial references that support her notability and add then to the article before the deletion request is actioned, or detail them on the talk page. If you think that the previous deletion was wrong then you could try Deletion review, but read the criteria there before nominating or it will not succeed. Keith D (talk) 19:01, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Referencing a now deleted "Tweet"
Hi Keith,

I was hoping you could advise me on the best course of action that I should take regarding the following matter. I wish to reference a now deleted "Tweet" (aka. a message sent using Twitter) that was posted by a well-known local personality in the United Kingdom. The message was posted following the death of a now disgraced British celebrity in 2011, and I would like to make reference to the Tweet within this person's Wikipedia page. Whilst I am unable to find a URL for the Tweet in question, I did manage to capture it using screen capture software before it was deleted. I was wondering, therefore, whether I could reference this Tweet if I were to upload the image to Wikipedia and reference it accordingly? The only issue is that I do not have the URL for it.

--Zoyetu (talk) 17:53, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Probably not very good to do this as tweets are not reliable sources unless they are about the person who originated them. See Identifying reliable sources and Verifiability. Keith D (talk) 19:32, 11 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The Tweet was commenting on the death of this celebrity at the time, but was also describing the "Tweeter's" relationship with him, if that makes sense? So yes, I would say that it was about the person who originated it. Does this change things? Shall I just add it to the article and then you can remove if necessary? --Zoyetu (talk) 23:01, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry I got the link wrong in my last reply, I have now fixed that. I would read that paragraph and the following one which relates to tweets. I guess it would fail under point 2 "so long as it does not involve claims about third parties;" Keith D (talk) 23:19, 11 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that. I have uploaded the image and updated the article. Have a look: Link --Zoyetu (talk) 11:07, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I am not really sure if this is really relevant to the article as he interviewed many people and just to pick 1 is rather WP:UNDUE. Keith D (talk) 20:45, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * If you feel that it should be removed (either the file or the paragraph in which it is referenced) feel free to do so. --Zoyetu (talk) 13:22, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Driffield importance
You reverted my change of importance for Driffield but I don't understand why. The Yorkshire project rating criteria say that "towns that are not former boroughs" are High. Could you clarify please? Lineslarge (talk) 19:51, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Probably because the assessment pages are way out of date, I appear to have done > 95% of the assessment for the Yorkshire articles I have set a selected few to allocate as Top (16 at last count), remaining cities and very large towns to High, remaining towns to Mid and villages to Low. Keith D (talk) 20:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * OK that makes sense, thanks. It would be nice if you could update the criteria when you get a free five mins. Lineslarge (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Quick question
Hey Keith_D, hope you're well. Could you please email me? My email is on my user page.

I see you've worked on XXXTENTACION’s Wikipedia and had a question I wanted to discuss. Thanks!

CMCreator900 (talk) 16:23, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I would prefer not to use e-mail for wiki work. You can ask here or send e-mail, though I will probably respond on wiki.
 * The only change I made to that article was to fix a partial accessdate in a cite. Keith D (talk) 20:58, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-33
<section begin="technews-2017-W33"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * Bureaucrats can now set users as confirmed. Previously only stewards could do this on most wikis. Nothing will change for wikis that have previously decided to let administrators set users as confirmed.

Problems
 * The symbols in the language list that show that an article is good or featured in that language doesn't work. Links to the Commons category in the sidebar doesn't work either. The developers are working on fixing it.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 August. It will be on all wikis from 17 August (calendar).

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Lupton family
More changes to this page. Please check thanks again  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.39.128.90 (talk) 07:11, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Louis C. Mosher
Hi Keith, how are you? Could I ask your help to establish this guy's Jewish ethnicity? I 've gotten rusty at wiki editing. Anyway, I'm planning to place the references below then add the Jewish categories then place a link at the List of Asian Jews. Will the below do the job?--Jondel (talk) 13:00, 19 August 2017 (UTC)




 * Hello, I guess that the applies to the second quoted reference. The first reference just redirects to the home page of https://www.victoriacountyhistory.ac.uk/ so does not help at all as that page does not mention Mosher. The second reference is also not very helpful as it does not give a page number to substantiate Mosher Jewishness, though looks to be useful from the title. Keith D (talk) 18:06, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-34
<section begin="technews-2017-W34"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * You can now test the new Timeless skin on the test wiki and mediawiki.org. You can turn it on in your preferences. You can report bugs in Phabricator. It will come to more wikis soon.
 * Your watchlist can now have the option to unwatch pages. You have to turn this on in your preferences.
 * If a table has several columns you can often choose which column you want to use to sort the table. This has not worked for some columns for readers who have used Firefox or Safari. This has now been fixed.
 * The RelatedArticles extension has shown related pages on Wikivoyages. You will now see the related pages at the end of the article together with an image. Previously the links were in the sidebar. Wikis that want this extension can request it on Phabricator.

Changes later this week
 * Videos will now be played in the WebM format in all browsers. Previously some browsers used Ogg Theora (.ogv). If you use Safari, Internet Explorer or Edge you may see slower playback speed at high resolutions. Instead we will get better quality and smaller file size. You can still upload video as Ogg files. They are automatically converted to WebM. This doesn't affect Ogg audio files.
 * The default font in the edit window will change for some users this week. Instead of using the browser default, it will be monospace. Users can change this in their preferences. This should only change this for some users on Macs and iOS devices.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 August. It will be on all wikis from 24 August (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 23 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 22 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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