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British Columbia
It would require a lot of work to get it up to FA standard. It is currently probably closer to a B-class. To do: I can help if this is something you want to take the lead in. --maclean 02:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * use WP:SS on the history section - cut it from 7 sub-sections to 7 paragraphs. India does a good job of this: the history of India in 5 paragraphs.
 * less tables, more prose in Demographics.
 * elaboration on the Economy.
 * prune the See Also link farm.
 * provide footnotes where appropriate.
 * All good ideas. Sometimes things sit on my todo list a while before they get attention, but this is something I would like to see  happen so I will get to some of these things even if it isn't right away -- KenWalker | Talk 04:48, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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Hello Sir,

I have added source reference links from third party publications for verification of the material on this upcoming talent.

Is this what you were looking for and referring to with the tag (00:19, 1 July 2007 KenWalker (Talk | contribs) (7,551 bytes) (See also WP:BIO for notability for entertainers, article appears to be written by its subject and lacks sources of content))?

I am new to this and have been trying to help. I just want to know if I am doing it right and that the content source references adequately establish the validity. It would be a shame if this article was deleted. :(

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WikiProject Canada
Hi. Thanks for your efforts in tagging articles as part of WikiProject Canada, but I have had to change a few of them after you. Please note that "impotance=high" is pretty exclusive, and should be limited to subjects and people that everyone has heard of, like former prime ministers and major cities; other articles are either mid or low importance. Also, "cangov=yes" is mostly for the structures of the govenment, not the people in it. For the people, use "ppap=yes". Again, thanks for your help in tagging the articles in the first place. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 19:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tips. I have noticed your changes and the edit summaries you have left have been helpful.  I have also seen the details you have provided on the template page which are well done and clarify things considerably from whatever it was that I looked at before.  Thanks for doing that.  I have agreed with nearly all of your changes although I thought the Chief Justice of Canada might warrant importance=high.  I had wondered about Cangov applying to people and saw something somewhere that made me think it applied to people as well, but it makes more sense to do it as you have laid out.  I will follow your recommendations, thanks for sharing them with me.  -- KenWalker | Talk 20:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You probably also noticed that I took out the "type=article" tag. Articles are the default even though they don't show up unless you specifically mention it.  I think we only need to use the "type" parameter for lists from now on.  I agree with you about the chief justice; they should be "high" and the other members of the supreme court should be "mid".  If I demoted a chief justice, that was an error on my part. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 00:11, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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Premiers
Oh, I can explain why we had both. For obvious reasons, how we do things on Wikipedia is always in a state of evolution — succession boxes are an older and somewhat outdated way of adding that information to articles. But when the position templates were created, people added them without removing the duplicate succession boxes, and so newer editors presumably got the impression that every article had to have both. There's a creeping process of template overload — every time somebody comes up with an innovative new way of presenting information, it gets copied to other classes of articles, but the people who add the new way don't remove the old way, so the templates just keep piling up. Bearcat 16:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Vancouver Island/South Coast cats
Hi Ken; went ahead and was bold: please see Category talk:Coast of British Columbia, new section.Skookum1 (talk) 19:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * While I'm here, not sure what to do with Kyuquot, Tahsis, Zeballos etc- North Island, right?  Or West Coast?  Gold River I think of as North Island, but it's connectedd to Nootka Sound....as you'll see in the Coast cat talkpage I'm laos uncertain if "South Island" is apt for Courteney-Campbell River. Further discucssion on cat-talk page later, I'm hungry....Skookum1 (talk) 19:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Followup: went ahead and creatd Category:Northern Vancouver Island, Category:Southern Vancouver Island and Category:West Coast of Vancouver Island; both it and the SouthernVI cat will/should have Category:Strait of Juan de Fuca (pls see Category talk:Puget Sound). I'm still puzzling over a name for Ladysmith-Nanaimo-Parksville-Courteny-Campbell River - Category:Central Vancouver Island is a phrase usually meant to refer to the Island's interior (I'm gonna make a Category:Vancouver Island Ranges if there isn't one already, likewise its parent Category:Insular Mountains if it doesn't exist yet) but.....would it work for the Mid-Island?  Category:East Coast of Vancouver Island seems a bit artificial and isn't the way we refer to that area, is it?  As with the West Coast cat it obviously (to us) doesn't include those parts of the east coast of the Island that are "North Island".  Any thoughts?  I'm also going to go ahead and create Category:Gulf of Georgia just for the hell of it and also to enshrine that name, as I've done with the "Countries" of the Interior and North, partly because of the counter-Salish Sea bandwagon of mine but also because it's a good collective grouping for what's in Category:South Coast of British Columbia that's not in Category:Southern Vancouver Island or Category:West Coast of Vancouver Island.  The Mid-Island/East Coast cat, whatever it's called, would be a subcat of that; NB I also created Category:Saanich Peninsula, which in addition to being in the Greater Victoria region cat (which is a suvbcat of SouthernVI) it can also be in the Gulf cat.....is this making sense?Skookum1 (talk) 17:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Bold is good. Central Island has an unfamiliar sound.  Mid Island is in ordinary use and we do hear it called east but central sounds like someone from Ottawa was deciding. Overall, the answer is yes, it is making sense.  Good to see you finding some wikitime, it is a better place with your efforts.  -- KenWalker | Talk 23:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, at least some people think so (see edit history and talkpage at Tillicum,which until we arm what i researched to the teeth can't be a disambiguation page). So would Category:Mid Island work (since that's what we say) or does it have to be Category:Mid Vancouver Island; also awkards huh?  Mid-Island hyphenated?  Also User:Pfly raised an interesting issue re Category:Strait of Juan de Fuca and Category:Puget Sound being water-body, not region, cat names; yes, but not, I told him; see Category talk:Puget Sound, towards the last few posts....Skookum1 (talk) 00:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Discovery Passage map
The little atlas of British Columbia I was using labels it Discovery Pass, so I used that on the map. It was only when I was adding it to wikipedia that I saw the name was Passage not Pass. I doubled checked at BCGNIS and it says Passage too. But it was late so I left it as Pass for a later fix. I wondered if anyone would even notice. Good catch! I'll fix it when I get a chance. Pfly (talk) 15:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Vancouver Meetup Invite
Regards, Mkdw talk 21:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Sechelt Rapids
Hi, thanks for the maps comment. I know next to nothing about Sechelt Inlet, Skookumchuck Narrows, and Sechelt Rapids -- the perfect conditions for wanting to look into it. At least, I am vaguely aware that there is a Skookumchuck Narrows somewhere in Sechelt Inlet, and that in one part the tidal currents can produce whitewater rapids. I'd probably have guessed the rapids were called Skookumchuck myself. Your three-level description, rapids in narrows, narrows in inlet, is intriguing. I think I have the high resolution BC topo maps of the area, and already have some base map linework of the region ready for whatever. Hmm hmm.. Of course I also have a lot of Real Life looming, so who knows. I'm curious now, in any case. Pfly (talk) 22:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Klinaklini River & advocacy/POV watch...
On the heels of our other advocacy deletions, I just did the same on Klinaklini River; at first I was only going to get rid of the advocacy link and trim the POV-ness out of the new text....then I found out that hte new text was a copy-paste, with a tweak or two, directly from the advocacy site; the tip-off was the use of "Coastal Mountain Range" and you'll see in the edit comments what I think of environmentalists who don't know proper geographic toponymy for the areas they're advocating for (which is how the abominable "South Chilcotin" got its yecccch name). I flet a bit bad about this because it's earnest enough; I just wish people, companies or enviro types, wouldn't use Wikipedia as something like a Facebook page, a place to thump the bandwagon. We've got to vet a template/welcome about this, taht their advocacy isn't welcome but anything NPOV that they can add to an article is more than welcome, and not to treat this as an oportunity for p.r. for their cause etc.....Anyway, another one for the watchlist; I'm almost thinking of keeping a sandbox-list of pages like this we have to keep a watch on because of all the politics....Skookum1 (talk) 16:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Images of Kolkata
Hi! I saw your comment in the talk page of Kolkata. It will be great if you can upload those images ?(you gave the link) to wikimedia. Especially some images, such as that of the fruit vendor, would be great to have in Kolkata or Kolkata-related articles. Thanks a lot. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have not yet seen all the images in your gallery. But some of the images that, IMO, could be incorporated into some articles in wikipedia are:, , , (this one is very useful), , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , . Can you please upload at least some of these, and, if you can manage, many more? Thanks a lot. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Some done, more will follow. -- KenWalker | Talk 09:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Greg Gall (football fan)
I have no problem with the PROD. My point, which is almost a year old, is that speedy-delete was not the appropriate mechanism; a PROD is. I have no comment one way or the other about whether this article satisfies notability guidelines. I prefer to leave that up to the community. IMHO, adding the PROD is the correct thing to do. Best of luck. Truthanado (talk) 19:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Kelowna Jedi Guy
Hello,

Thank you for expressing your concern, however, I was not experimenting with the Kelowna topic. Please note, in todays published paper located in Kelowna, BC, Canada which is dated for Sunday, May 18th, 2008 they have covered the story about the Kelowna Jedi Guy, who they repeatedly state him as the Okanagan celebrity located in Kelowna, BC, Canada. It is sad to see that you were offended by myself extending and improving the Kelowna topic of wikipedia.

Have a splendid day.

Colonized (talk) 19:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but adding a section called celebrities with an unexplained link called Kelowna Jedi to an under construction web site does nothing useful in an article about Kelowna. Sorry. -- KenWalker | Talk 21:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

FYI Kingfisher (sloop)
Just letting you know I just made this, I guess I'll stub up the Sutlej content likewise the Devastation; I don't have other BC refs than the two online ones I've found, unless I turn up something in JB Kerr (the Howay that's online is either Vol 1 or Vol 1V, not Vol II which is the one needed, i.e. of British Columbia:From the Earliest Times to the Present) and I doubt J.B. Kerr's book has much. I think the Akriggs do, maybe a listing of all the villages that were destroyed, and more details of the casualties. I'm trying to figure out how to title this kind of stuff as far as particular incidents go, like Battle of Seattle (1856); in Royal Navy parlance these were not "battles" or actual warfare, but "punitive expeditions"; I'd added the Destruction of Opitsaht to the List of conflicts in Canada and could do the same with a masked link off the Kingfisher or one of the Ahousaht village articles (I made Marktosis last night, not sure where Moyat was and what its "proper" spelling is - Mowaht?). Anyway anything you could add; my primte motivation here was not to write up the naval record but to get at enumerating Nuu-chah-nulth villages; start one article, start tend, you know t he story. Speaking of which have you noticed Bralorne, British Columbia? I should have written it when I had Lewis Green's book handy; someone else has started it, I'm trying to keep it wikistyle but it's hard to do without time/resources....and in that case "start one article, create fifty" is more like it, which is why I held off so long. As a matter of fact I'm wonde4ring if the town article shoudl be Bralorne-Pioneer as the two histories are so intertwined, and separate articles on each mine (they were eventually amalgamated). But what the heck, I look around the web and see the virtualmuseum and livinghistory sites and others like them proliferating and wonder who's getting the dough, other than the grahpics design people. On hte virtualmuseum pages I've noticed major errors; a problem with volunteer-written sites, or maybe because it's Ottawa-rooted and they just don't know f&&k all (Bralorne, for instance, is NOT in the Cariboo Mountains). So here I am, building a magnum opus of random content in Wikiepdia, entirely unpaid while those who get funding are churning out nice-looking crap......sigh.Skookum1 (talk) 20:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * PS a bit negligent of me not to add something of the same to the HMS Sutlej article, but taht gets involved as it's not just the "Clayoquot War" (for lack of a better coinage) that the Sutlej was invovled in, and there's all kinds of thigns named after it, too.....I'm tired for now, time for teh gym; it's a sxlippery slope this wiki stuff; and jehosaphat begat blunderbus begat leviathan begat gargantuta, it just keeps on breeding; I could spend a year on just one region of BC and still not get it all; I'm sure you feel the same.....Skookum1 (talk) 20:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Walbran, Coast Names, mentions this adventure but with no more detail than you already have. -- KenWalker | Talk 22:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Walbran has an entry he calls Ahousat (Mak-To_sis), Flores Island, Clayoquot. He says "Mak-to-sis, on Flores island, the present home of the Ahousats, was, years ago, a burying place of the now extinct tribe of Out-sos-aht, whose home was on the sea coast of Flores island, about two miles east of Rafael point, in a cove which among the Indians still bears the name of Out-sos.  Mak-to-sis is derived from the word 'Mak-yak-sats.' a coffin or 'Mak-yak-witl' to bury."  Goes on to mention the 1864 massacre and destruction of the Kingfisher while lying in Matilda creek. -- KenWalker | Talk 22:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Broughton, Gray and Aboutmovies
Hi Ken; I've been reading Howay & Scholefield in depth beyond the tidbits about the HMS America I found last night, and came across their account of the Broughton/Gray dispute, which Aboutmovies has been so nasty and peremptory about for his pet article Gray sails the Columbia River. This is just an FYI but see Gray_sails_the_Columbia_River for my latest salvo. A tad on the not-good-faith side of things but hard not to call down a bully when I see one. Howay/Scholefield cover the Oregon Question in admirable detail; I'll be adding some comments to Talk:Oregon boundary dispute once I get the time - found some juicy stuff - but that article is, like the Gray ones, subject to "ownership" by "Oregon imperialists" and there's too much shit to wade through to straighten it out easily; wondering about a peer review of it, pending addition of BritPOV content to balance the rank USPOV tone/content currently in place. Thank God for sane Northwesternsrs like User:Pfly and user:Northwsterner1 and others like User:NorCalHistory, who've been admirably balanced and open-minded in discussions and research; I'll remind you that Aboutmovies was the main interloper on Hollywood North and was just as much of a &*(%^(% over there....Skookum1 (talk) 21:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hilarious. I couldn't post this originally because the Gray/Columbia talkpage link used en.wikipedia.org, which is blacklisted.  Go figure.Skookum1 (talk) 21:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ps I can hardly wait to add to the Oregon pages what Howay/Scholefield have to say about the US secret service's involvement in thte Oregon Question. Une telle drôle....Skookum1 (talk) 21:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

The Carnarvon Terms and other matters
Hi Ken; just got up and indulging my wikiaddiction even before the coffee's finished perking (er, dripping...). Last night in the wee hours I started reading Howay & Scholefield's chapters on the Carnarvon Terms pp.341-384 Chapters XX and XXI and find myself boggled by the complexity of the matter, which I've only ever seen referred to indirectly and never seen the particulars before (e.g. J. Morton talks about the politics around them, but doesn't describe the terms themselves). Needs a more disciplined mind than my own and, I daresay, a legal one.....as also with their analysis/account of the Oregon and San Juans disputes. I know we're all busy and alwasy finding our own little wiki-tangents to tweak; last night I wrote Silverdale, British Columbia and wound up adding to the Mission article, then finding that Stave Falls had been written, though not very well ;-| and now I find myself faced with finally having to write the Stave River Power Project (maybe Stave-Alouette Power Project, I'll have to find the most usual term as used by Hyero and its predecessors there); similarly our well-intended IP contributor "sfs" has launched Bralorne, British Columbia in a kind of messy direction and without awareness of wiki style/citation; one reason I'd avoided writing Bridge River goldfields article is because of the complexity of the story; even to write Bralorne and its twin articles Pioneer Mine and Brexton there are other articles implied - the Bridge River Gold Rush, the Bridge River Mining District (aka Bridge River gold camp as you'll find it referred to, ditto with things like the "Slocan camp" etc.), plus the individual mine articles....anyway, like myself I know you have your own bandwagons in wikiworld, but I'm hoping your more finely-tooled/trained mind can at least come up with a precis of the Carnarvon Terms, which are a key part of early provincial history/politics and Provincial-Dominion relations (or irrelations maybe is a better term ;-) ). Similarly the Oregon boundary dispute article has been set in a heavily-US-domestic-politics/perspective direction without very much British-side equivalents; the overwriting of the "1844 election" section there is no balanced by corresponding imperial/BC/HBC politics, and because diplomatic arguments are what they are, the legalistic finickeries of the whole affair (Oregon and San Juans being basically the same dispute/history) are bizarrely convoluted; and as Canadians in general are mostly unaware of the "loss of Southern ColumbiaZ", as the Akriggs put it, there's been very little input frmo Canadian/BC editors, and as you know I tend to find myself snarled up in talkpage issues rather than actual article-writing ;-) (I spend so much time doing cats/stubs etc that actual full articles are rare from me now....of course I don't have sourcebooks on hand either). Howay & Scholefield turn out to have a really great account of the Oregon and San Juans but it's too much for me to efficiently condense. So just throwing these on your plate, like other things I've dumped into your lap; I'm mostly concerned about hte Manifest Destiny tone of the Oregon boundary and Pig War articles, and also to some degree the Alaska boundary article, i.e. the crossborder content is lacking, and the articles are dominantly American in viewpoint...andpatrolled by certain know-nothings whose view of American continental history is more than a bit jingoistic and one-sided......and both cynical and hostile to the British point of view; a certain one of these editors has shown his hostility to Canada/Canadians before re Canadian film iudustry articles/debacles (before he got busy on oregon articles) and overblown writeups on topics like Capt. Gray......my blood pressure is one reason I wikibroke a while ago, in fact; the aggravation I just don't need when I'm trying to contribute objectively, and also am busy with organizational/hierarchical/content matters across the broad range of topics/articles I monitor......yeah, I take too much on, no doubt.....whine, whine, whien, time for more coffee.....Skookum1 (talk) 13:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Labouchere (paddle steamer) FYI
Not sure what else you might ahve to add; bio articles on namesake family/company seem called form but mostly English history (see google for this name).Skookum1 (talk) 22:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

List of canneries in British Columbia
Got turned onto this while looking into Tallheo, as a spin off the Nuxalk spin off the Bella Coola stuff; what tangled tangents we weave; I just made a dozen cannery town stubs, with spin-offs like Boswell on Kootenay Lake because of Boswell the cannery town; ahd to write both to make sense on teh Boswell disambig page. These so far are, or ratehr the ones I jsut added lower on the list, are on the cannery-history page listed; Toba Inlet I can't locate, it may have been Klahoose, British Columbia but then again it may have been a floating town, like some way; ditto Forward Harbour and so on, where no locality is listed, on ly the bay/inlet/harbour....anyway you may know of others on the Island, and tehre may be other cats that apply; I should probably add locations to the list, but for now....the Waglisla link should probably be Government Cannery, British Columbia, which used to appear on maps but doesn't come up in BCGNIS for some reason; Waglisla may not be quite right in that context, either, I'm not sure; I know it's not hte same as Bella Bella, and maybe it's not right by them either....sigh. I'm an Interior/Lower Mainland guy, this coastla stuff is all an exploration for me....Skookum1 (talk) 02:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Little River, British Columbia FYI
Jsut a blip on the map to me; created this and other BC Little River articles as a result of trying to complete the tribs of the Thompson River (see Little River (Shuswap). Figured you might have something to add on it, since it's in your turf.Skookum1 (talk) 20:43, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Category:Mid Vancouver Island
Maybe Category:Mid Island is more what we usually say but it looks odd as a Wiki cat - no? if not maybe change it now; I'm not in the mood to populate it; it was just with Little River and what I know to be all the other little communities around there, Category:Comox Valley needed its parent; presumably - ? = Category:Greater Nanaimo is south of it; or is the Comox Valley "Mid-Island" or its own area? Campbell River? Where's the Mid-South dividing line - Nanoose? Duncan/Cowichan's "South Island" right? Cheamainus northwards would be "Mid"? Your thoughts?Skookum1 (talk) 03:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Logic of the naming is "North Island" I made as "Northern Vancouver Island", "South Island" as "Southern Vancouver Island". Grates on me a bit as "Northern Vancouver Island" is the new tourism=ministry branding for the North Island.  If I thought we could ahve gotten away with cat-names like Category:South Island I would have done that.....btw Shawnigan etc isnt' Cowichan Valley....in Scholefield & Howay they call that the "Lakes District" - what's it cvalled now, if that area has a name?Skookum1 (talk) 04:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Masset Inlet and Masset Sound
Hi; created these just now in the wake of making Slatechuck Mountain, Yakoun River et al, hoping you can take the time to add the BCGNIS; which loads WAY to slow from here for wahtever reason; it's alwasy time=consuming for me to do; it was in BCGNIS that the tidbit about the Haida name coming from a Spanish surname, wasn't it? One of these days I gotta start loggin my "new article creation" on a sandbox as I tend to make these things willy-nilly once I get giong on a certain area; all this spun off adding a precise location to the Golden Spruce/Kiidk'yaas article (vs just saying "on Haida Gwaii", which is way too trendy and overused in spots where a precise location would have more relevance).Skookum1 (talk) 03:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Bamfield, British Columbia move proposal
Don't know if you're aware of it, maybe you've already commented....Skookum1 (talk) 04:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with your comment, but WP:CSG seems to cover it. -- KenWalker | Talk 05:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thx. Seems it could be a bit more explicit about communities and localities, as the langauge of the section uses only "neighbourhoods" and makes no mention of unique names (doesn't have to the way things are defined); I'm too tired (4:19am - I just came in from playing up in thet Dal campus) to make comments on the CSG discussion board or on the move/name proposal, so tomorrow....to sleep or to wiki, that is the question....Skookum1 (talk) 07:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Land Districts
Hi; no dooubt you'ev watchlisted British Columbia general election, 1924 so have seen or will see my comments theer about that map. Soemwhere I've got a Wiki link to an 1894 land district map also; again someone mistook it for ridings....well, the 1871 ridings yes though I think there were some name differences, or name changes anyway (the Coast Land District on the map shown was in the original Comox riding, I think; provincially that is. I've been looking/ohoping for a proper definition of Land District so that article can get made, and for at least some of the land dstricts like Lillooet they haven't changed; NW Land District I think is still the same; for some reason the Coast has been cut up willy-nilly into a whole slew of land districts when othe areas didn't get cut up/sbudivided (Lillooet again, and Kootenay).  Anyway pretty well the Land Dstrict are rooted in the Lands Act of 1860, so taht's another technical-legal article/stub needed (and was a scandal, as I think I laid out for your soemwhere else...."the Military Clique Lands Scandal" although that still seems unwieldy as a wording...)Skookum1 (talk) 19:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Cumshewa and Talk:Cumshewa, British Columbia
Just made these and will do Cumshewa Inlet based on same refs; decided to stub up Cumshewa the chief because of mentions to do with locations of mining/logging camps in the area referring to the community etc.....the community article talkpage I laid out an idea about BCGNIS content so pls have a look.Skookum1 (talk) 03:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

List of historical Haida villages
Thought of this before because of Skedans and Ninstints and others I know of, but again tonight while writing New Clew, British Columbia, which is thought to be the locationg of Tanu, a once-important and famous village. The same idea would apply down the coast, of course, particularly in Kwakwaka'wakw and Nuu-chah-nulth areas like we discussed about re Clayoquot Sound. Where was that bigt you sent me on Marktosis anyway? In email? Can't find it, was going to add it to the article...The Haida villages seem to have more mystique, huh? Guess that's branding for you......Skookum1 (talk) 03:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * re that, see Talk:New Clew, British Columbia re Tanu (Haida village) name format.Skookum1 (talk) 03:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

anti-p.r. spray (RAID!!!)
Skookum1 kills bugs dead. See Talk:Kamloops Lake where I vented maybe a bit ;-); and look at hte article's history for what I chopped out. Crass, crass, crass, and no doubt there's more of this crap out there.  Throughout that fracas on Caddy Bay neither IP poster would create an account or talk about anything but those articles and how their sucky content was the right kind of content; it was clear who they were, and why they didn't want to identify themselves; the public may be suckers for shills, wikipedians tend not to be, I guess because picking apart things for flaws is part of teh turf, enit?  BTW would you care to take a whack at de-POVing Bear Mountain (resort)'s eco-content/protest-content?  I'm not in BC so ahrd to know the tone to watch out for, i.e. cathphrases etcSkookum1 (talk) 06:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Donald McLean et al. FYI
Hi; please see User_talk:Pfly.Skookum1 (talk) 19:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

brigade trails
Re you edit comemnt query: no, not at all; the Express and the Brigade Trail - the first Brigade Trail, from Ft Vancouver - paralleled each other, or were the same tril, to Okanagan Forks; t he Experss went up the Coloumbia from there, the Brigade Trail up the Okanagan. Tehre was no Express out of Langley, after 1846 - I don't think so anyway - that would have used the "new" Brigade Trail from Spuzzum. Robin Skelton's book This is Cariboo" describes all trails in some detail, particuarly this one (thoguh not mentioning Vidette Lake directly); ultimately a map of the old Interior trails would be great o get together; it's complciated though....sorry all t ypos; speed typing and it's late, maybe will tidy up later ;-)Skookum1 (talk) 04:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I just stubbed up Cache Creek (British Columbia) as I'd come across its entry in BCGNIS which has some interesting details on the various rotues/purposes of the Brigade Trails. I'm in no mood to crib/pastiche it, nor the name-origin stuff, thought you might want to have a whack at it, and also ref the Brigade Trail articles which really do need sorting/straightening out (some day).  Made a whole bunch of stuff in the last 48 hrs; have a look at my User Contributions; running into lots of dual-name entries, like Cache Creek but also places like Summit Lake (er, the one in the Slocan, there's twenty or so others including the best-known one north of PG), Nimpo Lake etc; thinking separate articles in all cases is hte way to go, unless as with Tyhee Lake Provincial Park there's no reason for a separate lake article (?).Skookum1 (talk) 23:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

discoveryisland.ca
Yo; just tracked some edits on Discovery Island (British Columbia) and Discovery Island Marine Provincial Park by an IP user who seems to be the http://www.discoveryisland.ca site-owner; from what I can see there's no direct lift from that site and it seems pretty neutral, and it's nicely done; not spam, although I'm a little troubled that there's nothing on it about [i]who[/i] the PayPal donation thing is for; a group, an individual? My own http://www.cayoosh.net/ has a donation request too, but I say who I am and what I'm up to. That Ten Mile Point was pointedly mentioned in the lead of Discovery Island Marine Provincial Park is maybe one of the other easons I'm troubled....anyway feeling better - I spent a night in hospital after throwing up all day with rotavirus (second time this year...or something very much like it back at teh start of March). See you haven't been around much, guess real life has you busy.....Skookum1 (talk) 21:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Nelson Police Department
A tag has been placed on Nelson Police Department requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 18:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I assume this will go the same way as the last one.  Since there is really no content here, any case for keeping it is even weaker, looks like it will probably go. -- KenWalker | Talk 20:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Paid URLs
The truth is, there's no real consensus on whether to link to content behind paid screens. The "reality on the ground" is that they're really useful for article writing, since typically some large percentage of our editorship can access them (i.e. almost anyone at a University can hit most academic archives). Not an issue I like to get involved in, but like I said, for articles I write I leave them in, if only to be able to refer to them in the future for further work, they're easier to find that way.

Cheers Wily D 20:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment. I agree.  If there is useful information in an online newspaper archive (including the Economist for example), it adds to the article and it does lead the reader back to the paper source even if the convenience of online access is restricted.  When I cite a book I have on my shelf, it is only there because I bought it and it isn't available to others unless they buy it or go find it in the library so the reference provides the same track to the source either way.  So it seems to me you are right.  Thanks for responding to my edit note. -- KenWalker | Talk 21:10, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * De rien. Wily D 21:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Doesn't Reference itself
Ken,

Its quite simple, if you wish to refer to another wiki article, the correct procedure is to add a wikilink. The relevant policy is simple WP:RS, i.e. all Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Articles should rely on sources external to Wikipedia.

Does that clear it up?

Regards,

Justin talk 21:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries, happy to help. Justin talk 21:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Land Districts again
Yo; just started a sandbox list at User:Skookum1/Sandbox where I compiled all Land Districts in Basemap's directory (to search basemap with wildcards use "%" for more than one character, e.g. "G% River" for all rivers beginning with 'G"). Not sure what these articles can be, other than raw descriptions and in some cases they're identical with early ridings and mining districts; and not sure if my explanation fo a land district s correct.  But can you tell me - why were the Island's land districts subdivided so intensely, and the Mainland land districts are pretty much the same as they were in 1900?  The only change I see there, in fact, is the creation of the Peace River Land District out of the Cariboo Land District; yet the Victoria-Nanaimo area has tons of little ones - Mountain, Highland, Comiaken, many many, plus others up-island like Nootka Land District.  Why was this necssary on Vancouver Island, do you think? It's not like there's been a big population boom or land sell-off; no more than anywhere else that is.Skookum1 (talk) 15:43, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Howdy. As far as I am aware, these districts have no significance anymore.  The are still shown on titles.  Even the larger divisions, by Land Title Office, have had much less significance in recent years as some were closed and consolidated and more yet were combined when they went electronic.  Is there some reason to think they have any significance now, if they ever did?   I can only guess that the smaller subdivisions on the island are because they were done earlier or that there were more settlements here (or more surveyors!) when they were created.  Unless there is history of them I am unaware of, I think this filing division system was something someone thought up that was never useful. -- KenWalker | Talk 22:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The only direct application of them that I'm aware of is that they seem to have been identical with the first provincial electoral districts, and I guess their colonial predecessors, at least outside the Victoria area, and presumably also with the original Mining Districts although while "Similkameen Division, Yale Land District" is pretty much the same as the Similkameen Mining District Im' not at at all sure that the latter didn't exist before the former (the LDs were created by the Lands Act of 1860, as far as I know; the Blackfoot and Similkameen gold rushes were right around the same time...). Farther north the Mining District/Land District thing doesn't seem to carry over; the Atlin District is nowhere near as large as a mining district, and the Cassiar Mining District was only a small part of the Cassiar Land District.  They seem to be only a surveyors' system, and why the need I'm not sure except to provide a framework for legal descriptions; but why not, then, simply use latlongs or UTM?  Might have had something to do with alienation management, i.e. local offices for land registry being needed in such a vast jurisdiction.  There seems to be a rough correlation, though not by name, between the original land districts and the Counties of British Columbia, i.e. the court/juridicial-counties; the text of that article needs some fleshing out and behooves another article on the different kinds of government subdivisions of British Columbia: I was alreayd thinking of a listing of the respective Health, Environment, Forestry, Energy/Mines/Petroleum Resources, Social Services, Tourism regions; important that those from places where counties are the basic underpinning of lots of things (like Ontario and Washington) that they're courts-only in BC.  Anyway thanks for the feedback on LDs; an article on them is needed because they show up all the time in land descrtiptions on BCGNIS and other references; and some editors have started or have always included the land-title designation in location articles; nearly as irrelevant as using RD designations for geographic objects (IMO the RD cats and ref are only relevant if it's a comopnent-body of the RD, not as a geographic-region descriptor).Skookum1 (talk) 16:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe they only exist to make work for Land Title Office workers and convenaycing lawyers/surveyors etc? ;-)Skookum1 (talk) 16:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, that is right and even they haven't used them for anything I know of for the 25 years I have been dealing with the BC Land Title Offices. -- KenWalker | Talk 17:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably every few years they write up a self-assesssment report on the system, talking about how great it works and why it has to be preserved, and that report occupies a certain amount of departmental energy/budget to get done; self-justification being one of the main tasks of most bureaucracies; I remember one comment when I worked at MoE HQ in Whalley that dept'l/ministry budgets always inflate because they have to compete for attention with other money-hungry ministrties/departments and the one thing you don't do is ask for less money than you did last time; alwasy justify the budget or you won't see it again. Many bureucratic systems are completely useless excetp to themselves, and even then there's no real use.  Have you ever been to Mexico?  There'a tarjeta turistica which you have to fill out, keep in your passport, and eventually relinquish when you leave.....it has no use at all, apparently there's a big building in Mexico City where they're all stashed and probably not even filed/catalogued properly.  It's a formality only; probably what it really is has to do with somebody has the printing contract and somebody else's nephew has the job managing the deparrtmtn which collects (but does not analyze or otherwise use) the tarjetas.  I think the East Euro bureaucracies are ratehr famous for this kinid of thing, likewise Greece.....Skookum1 (talk) 17:56, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The phrase "institutional inertia" comes to mind, in connection with the Peter Principle I think; maybe that's already a bluellink in fact.Skookum1 (talk) 18:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Nancy Andrew
As the principal author of the article, I would prefer not to see it deleted. What might not be notable in some "world-historic" sense, might yet be notable in a particular field. Nancy Andrew was a Japanese-English translator. She was notable in her field in that she translated the (so far) only English-language edition of an important 20th-century Japanese novel. With the exception of this article, there is no information about her that is readily available to the public. When I began the article, I knew that it would appear marginal to people outside the fields of Japanese literature and Japanese-English translation. Perhaps the solution is either to merge the article "to" Almost Transparent Blue or simply to place an abbreviated version of it in the article about the novel. To do the latter will lose the editorial history, although I doubt that the full article would survive the merger. Comments? -- Cuppysfriend (talk) 23:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have removed the prod tag from Nancy Andrew, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it.  If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the prod template back to the article.  Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion.  Thanks!   However, I have proposed the article for merger into Almost Transparent Blue as a way to invite discussion of the the most appropriate way to document the background of the novel's English translator.  Because the article is assigned to the Arts and Entertainment Working Group of WikiProject Biography, I think that editors connected to that project should have an opportunity to comment on whether this should remain as a free-standing article or incorporated into the article about the novel. -- Cuppysfriend (talk) 23:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply message. Because of the pressure of the holiday weekend and some commitments I have next week, I felt that I had to address your concerns before the automatic deletion kicked in on Monday.  I've started a discussion re the possibility of merger at Talk:Almost Transparent Blue.  Don't hesitate to add your comments there.  -- Cuppysfriend (talk) 23:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Patos Island
Heh, yes I noticed that myself shortly after finishing the map and page edits. I wondered if anyone else would notice.. good eye! I'll fix it when I get the time. At least the caption says the modern boundary "roughly follows" the line, heh. Pfly (talk) 14:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Bainbridge
yeah, but where and what is it? At the stated latlong as it was in the article it says 5,395', and yeah the spot so placed is high on a mountainside, above the Bainbridge Railway Point which is the relevant BCGNIS listing, right? So, is this a rural neighbourhood of the Alberni Valley today, in the area of the railway point, therefore that 243~ population figure, or is this just spurious? If it had ever been a post office it would have said so in BCGNIS. You don't know anyone over in the Alberni Valley who could answer this, do you? BTW do you remember my query about "Little Tillicum" neighbourhood in Qualicum: not that I'm going to get busy on the Tillicum page/subpage again, just curious......Skookum1 (talk) 20:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If is is plotted correctly, it doesn't look like there is a road to it. I will do some checking when I get a chance.  I have an old logger friend I see once in a while.  I will ask him next time about Bainbridge.  As to Tillicum, I can ask that too but I have never heard of that name being used up here.  -- KenWalker | Talk 20:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I only found it in a tertiary-page google search, some reference on a geneaology website as I recall, about someone moving to a retirement home in the Little Tillicum neighbourhood of Qualicum Beach...might be just the name of the building/complex maybe?.Skookum1 (talk) 03:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Ucluelet, British Columbia rename
In case you don't have it watchlisted, thought I'd let you know about the next-up attack by the anti-comma-format wrecking crew, in the wake of Bamfield......Skookum1 (talk) 03:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

region cat names
Yo; please see Category talk:interior of British Columbia and also a related discussion on User talk:Black Tusk and from a while ago with pfly at Category talk:Puget Sound.Skookum1 (talk) 21:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Alexander Begg's histories on-line
I found Alexander Begg's works online at www.noracines.ca site earlier and wound up reading *Report relative to the Alaska Boundary Question, submitted to the Hon. J.H. Turner, Minister of Finance etc. etc. (sic), 15 August, 1896., Alexander Begg, Victoria, British Columbia: R. Wolfenden, 1896 Tasty, tasty, tasty. Not related to our maritime geography/history work so much but I know you'll find it interesting; there may be lots of useful stuff in his "annexures" (appendices). At some point a List of notable historians of British Columbia might be worthwhile, though hard to keep the riff-raff out maybe but all's fair in love and wiki, no? His History of British Columbia from its earliest discovery to the present time (1894)] looks promising and will no doubt be more readable than J.B. Kerr's Biographical Sketches (see Francis Jones Barnard for a link to that). For WP Mines and WP Ghost towns I hit the jackpot BC-wise - The directory of mines (corrected and published quarterly) : a guide for the use of investors and others interested in the mines of British Columbia (1897) including a list of the then-Gold Commissioners. Wow. There's way too much even in the first-linked item for me to put to full use in Wiki; I'm going to be spending a lot of time reading; nice to have found this stuff; wish it was copy-pastable, haven't tried OCRing it....http://www.nosracines.ca is a great site btw....Skookum1 (talk) 03:37, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Walbran online
I gather from your ref-edits that you own a copy of Walbran's book; but it happens to be online as well, which maybe is a better way to cite him.Skookum1 (talk) 17:14, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Or both, thanks for that and for the history references yesterday.  Haven't had chance to look at them much but I am sure they will be useful. -- KenWalker | Talk 18:29, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Spicer Commission
Not that I want to start an article on it right now, just marvelling that this is online; I'd looked around for it previously but no such luck; gets me too heated up to get into current national politics so sticking with historical imperial/regional politics ;-) but you're one of my regular contacts here who I think might remember the import of the hearings; and that era.....sigh. How far we havent' yet come, huh?  Pfly's been educating himself on Canadian/BC politics, I'll have to ref this to him, too....Skookum1 (talk) 21:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Dunsmuirs
Frankly, the Vancouver Island category was being used far too broadly and without much attention paid to context or existing categorization. Somebody even filed Diana Krall directly in there, even though she was already in Category:People from Nanaimo. If you think that either Category:History of Vancouver Island or Category:People from Vancouver Island would make more sense, then be my guest, but nobody should ever be filed directly in the general Category:Vancouver Island, because that's just sloppy category organization. Bearcat (talk) 01:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Replying here to your comment on Bearcat's page, and to his reply above. Your comments on Bearcat's page point up the big problem with using RD categories for historical/people articles and for lots of things that aren't government-related; the Regional Districts were only created in the 1960s, or was it early '70s, and they've changed since, and nobody really thinks in terms of them unless they need a building permit or want a regional park fixed up or another service; today's geography of poolitical/managerial expediency has nothing to do with pre-1960s BC, even less so with pre-20th C. BC.  The solutino is cats like "People from the Cowichan Valley", "People from Nanaimo", "People from Northern Vancouver Island" (I'd rather it be "People from the North Island", because that's the way we actually say it) and so on, "People from the Comox Valley", "People from the Gulf Islands".  First Nations articles in particular should not be in RD cats, as they're not part of the system of governance (rather outside it) and, while some work with RDs over shared projects/intersts, the RDs are even less a valid political unit for them than BC is, since the RDs are proxies of the provincial government, really, and only semi-democratic and sithout much tangible power.  And nobody thinks of themselves as being "People form the Regional District of Kitimat-Stikine".  They're from Kitimat, or from the Stikine, or from Prince Rupert, or frmo Terrace, or from the Skeena Country in some contexts.  I didn't like RD cats (and location maps, esp. for geographic features) from the moment I saw them, and that's why I started the geographic regions hierarchy, to reflect how BC's geography and historical/cultural geography actually is, vague and overlapping though the system may be.  I note the new History of Vancouver island cat, which is overdue, and er the changes to Gold harbour and other ghost towns, it may be enough that they're already in "Mining communities in British Columbia" but maybe "History of mining in British Columbia" (and appropriate regional subcats) would be a good idea, rather than redundifying History of BC with the Ghost towns cat only.  The mountains in that cat, by the way, or in one of the mountains cats, I consolidated into Vancouver Island Ranges; and otherwise uncluttered it, apparently there was more.  In any case, placing bio articles with RD-based catnames is just wrong.  I'm n ot from the Fraser Valley Regional District, I'm from Mission, or more specifically I'm from Ruskin (which straddles two RDs by teh way); and if I was from a regional district, it would be the Dewdney-Alouette Regional District, which was done away with when the GVRD was expanded.  But I'm not from an administrative fiction created for political expediences (as RDs were), I'm from a place......Skookum1 (talk) 02:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Further to this, it's worth understanding (as I think Ken does) that RDs are creatures of the Municipal Act and are only one kind of regional divisions of the BC government. At some point I was giong to start something titled maybe List of administrative regions of British Columbia, broken down by MoE, MoF, MoH and all the rest - the overlapping crazy-quilt of BC government regions, which bear little resemblance to each other and make pairings/groupings quite different from each other.  RDs are not really like "counties" (you can be from Whatcom County, but you cn't be from the Fraser Valley Regional District, though you can be from the Fraser Valley).......Skookum1 (talk) 14:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Toyota Prius
You restored a section that was removed (the Top Gear comparison) because it was like comparing apples to oranges, and did not provide a rationale. I have tagged this section as dubious and will be deleting it in a week unless consensus dictates otherwise. Please give your thoughts on the talk page Thank you! :) Justinm1978 (talk) 21:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I had already [commented on the talk page] prior to the comments added later by the editor who made the change I reverted. Looks like someone there has an point of view they want to advance, I will leave them to it. -- KenWalker | Talk 21:17, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Seymour Narrows
Thanks for your work on BC geography. In particualr, I saw a cleanup you did to Seymour Narrows. That was the work of banned user. The reason for his banning was the persistent additions of references to "David J Silver", some of them quite outlandish. Though banned years ago, he just can't stop. If you should come across the same editor again (this isn't the first time he's added his fish story to that article) could you please drop me a note? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Hornby Island
Thanks for adding the wikilink to MGE PP on Hornby Island. I also just switched over the Tribune Bay redlink to a function wikilink.

Cheers, DigitalC (talk) 02:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Canadian Pacific Airlines Flight 21
Just so you see it, the DYK hook was moved to July 26 to better reflect the day that it was expanded. --maclean 06:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Rex Weyler
Hi Ken; I have to recuse myself from editing this article considering my contre-temps with this guy, or rather with his article, at The Tyee, though I've ocntinued to edit the Sinixt article as much out of defiance to one E. Holmes as much as to ensure "truthiness" as is my usual wont with any article. I had a brief look over this bio and it's one of those personal-resume things like we saw with Bornmann....what's the appropriate template for "reads like a resume" or the like; can't use "unreferenced" as it's got references; but there's a lot of detail that can only be known personally (like his security clearance at Lockheed). If you don't want to handle this, who do you think within WPCanada is appropriate to take it to? Just the Notice Board secttion on "Requests for Comment"?Skookum1 (talk) 22:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have never proposed an article for "Needs Attention" in the Biography project, but will for this and see where the goes if anywhere. See also User talk:BlissfulGirl for a concern about the image.  I have also added some comments on the article talk page for what it is worth. -- KenWalker | Talk 02:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I thank you, and hope not to indulge schadenfreude. There are a series of sucu bios throughout Wikipedia, though in relatively obscure cats.  Robert Broughton, actually, is up for discussion but I happen to know the guy; was trying to think of what to say, except that I'd vetnure that he is notable, though not terribly organized ;-) (but brilliant, with the most amazingly resonant Virginian basso....great on radio; somebody who could have had a career in broadcasting - or academia - if he weren't so political.  We'll see where that one goes, I've recuse myself there also (more or less); there's been a lot of good candidate history showing up in historical candidate and electoral articles lately, but they're being pretty good about COI and BFAQ.  Likewise KootenayVolcano at the Sinixt article, whose work is thorough and very wiki-done-right, though all with an agenda of course; but admirable for a relatively POV tone, compared to other things I've run into....Anyway thanks again; more by email when I get a chance; really should do a newsletter one of these days....Skookum1 (talk) 03:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Elk/Beaver Lake Regional Park and Elk Lake (British Columbia)
Hi Ken; I just threw this by Fishhead64 as his parish used to be in Greater Victoria, but thought maybe you might want to have a "go" at these; the second one is the target for Beaver Lake (British Columbia) (of which there are more; see the Elk Lake articles' talkpage), oen article only for Beaver and Elk Lake(s) obviously, unless we break it into two, which might be hard to justify (same body of water, different names for different parts of it). See similar section on User talk:Fishhead64 for certain content details. BTW this turns out to have some interesting files/resources on it....hopefully UBC and U.Vic have similar pages; tehre's some old UBC theses I know about which have great stuff on early BC ("old" as in 1930s/40s).Skookum1 (talk) 21:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

band govt as "municipal legal"
Hi Ken; thought I'd ask your opinion/input; easiest to refer you to the history file of First Nations government (Canada) re edits to the opening line.....Skookum1 (talk) 20:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. It is not a municipal government in a legal sense.  Some might say it is like a municipal government, but that is not useful and, I gather, would be disputed by many so there does not seem to be any useful purpose in having it there.  -- KenWalker | Talk 08:21, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Photo of four cardinal marks
Great phot, and I have added it to the article Cardinal mark. Springnuts (talk) 20:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the generous comment. The location, with all 4 marks, is unusual I think.  It is only an hour from where I live.  I intend to get a better photo of it sometime. In the meantime, I thought the existing image might be useful.  -- KenWalker | Talk 21:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

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article Kay O'Hara
Sir, I apologize for the lateness of this note, I've been out of town substantially, then returned home to a computer crash. The Kay O'Hara article I authored has been deleted. Could this decision be re-evaluated? Kay is at the fore-front of her industry, known world-wide as one of the pioneering pinups to bring the genre into mainstream. She is the leading and most influential Canadian pinup model. Her following is huge and her accomplishments in the pinup genre are substantial. I'm not terribly familiar with Wikipedia proceedure, but I hope this is a good place to start to re-open discussion for the reinstatement of Kay's article. Thank you Mr T  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrtphotography (talk • contribs) 19:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've restored the Kay O'Hara article, at the request of User:Mrtphotography. If you want to file an WP:AFD, you can do so. The sourcing does appear weak.  However a Google for 'Kay O'Hara model' gets 99,000 hits. EdJohnston (talk) 21:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There is more discussion at Talk:Kay O'Hara. EdJohnston (talk) 02:15, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Mount Currie
Yo; that page needs lots of work in general but citing it all (all that I know of) would be difficult due to the paucity of published sources. "White Mount Currie" is actually pretty prosperous and includes some swank new inns and golf courses and other industry....but even the Reserve may no longer be the poorest as it once was, and apparently it's also not hte largest, depending on how you define "reserve" (I think in the context meant it was for the community not so much the reserve as such; there are other reserves that are more populous e.g. Six Nations, Shubenacadie, but which aren't single communities). But it was me who wrote that bit, and really I was reprising something written about Mt Currie that was in either the Sun or one of hte local papers back in the early days of Whistler, when the journalist in question was comparing the horrific conditions in Mt Currie (which were REALLY bad in the '70s and before; I remember it looking like a backcountry Mexican village....) to Whistler, only 20km crowflight away, as the richest community in Canada....what I'm getting at is that it may now be teh richest (though I recall that being the Capilano Reserve....), or among hte richest, I don't know; but perhaps that whole sentence shoudl be nixed for now until such time as proper demographics and economic information can be obtained; the IR numbers are of course a Census division, the problem with coming up with stats for the rest of Mt Currie is that it's subsumed into the Electoral Area which incldues teh Pemberton and Gates Valleys, i.e. no Mt Currie-specific non-native stats are easily obtainable, at least not in wiki-citable form. Same as for other "dual" communities in BC that are both natiev communites/reserves as well as non-native communities (Alkali Lake, Fountain/Fountain Valley, Seton/Shalalth, Nimpo Lake, Siska, Boston Bar, Savona ad nauseam....).....Skookum1 (talk) 15:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, sorry about that. If I had known it was you, I would have assumed it was correct.  From an ip number, I thought it was just someone messing with stuff.  Guess I shouldn't assume things ..  . .-- KenWalker | Talk 02:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually sorry I was unclear, as it wasn't me who substituted "richest", it was an IP user, and could have been a good faith edit; "richest" could also mean band revenues/budgets NOT average income/prosperity levels, but again on either count I'd think that would be CapilanoSkwxwu7kmesh or maybe Westbank or Osoyoos Indian Bands....in re the riches/poorest thing and citability of native reserves and also town socioeconoimc daata, I'm wondering if maybe a Demographics of Canada subproject, or a Demotraphics Taskforce, might not help along coming up with methods of data treatment that can be applied all the various settlement/city articles and also regional articles....I don't know if you've seen my ongoing arguemnt with Bearcat over the inviability and irrelevance of regional districts as workable subdivisions of BC for encyclopedic purposes; they (the Eastsrners) opine that it's because StatsCan uses them that everybody else should to; but actually the RDs don't work as even census subdivisions, because the native populations are counted separately. And in a lot of RDs, espeically up Coast and in the North, that yields popluation stats that may be official ,but dont coincide with the reality on the ground; re the Queen Charlotte Island and Haida articles, I started looking at StatsCAn's online material, but to calculate the Islands' population, and the Haida share of it, is a complicated process; the electoral area population, add in the Skidegate, Sandspit, Masset and Port Clements populations, then the on-reserve populations at Masset and Skidegate.  And that's just for the Queen Charlottes - can you imagine working that uut in the Cariboo or on parts of the Island, where the census maps even more complicated.  Likewise Mount Currie, and other places like it; Lillooet as a municipality has a certain population; its suburban areas are comprised of parts of large Electoral Areas that include poulpations away from town as well as those close to it.....the real size of the town is the muni, plus the three reserves immediately on its doorstep, rural residential areas down about 20 miles on the west bank and ten on the east...."Greater Lillooet" includes Seton and Fountain, and perhaps Yalakom.....Merritt is another case in point, and Keremeos and s on....StatsCan, or Census Canada before it was re-branded, used to specify populations of localities; now they're just numbers on huge maps that don't give detailed information and which don't acknowledge local identities; it's a way of taking that identity away, as a prof of mine (in population geography - it was Warren Gill, now t he head honcho of SFU Downtown); a way of dehumanizing and deculruting popluations by turning them int ostatistics.  And peaking o statistics partof the point of the demographics workgroup/subproejct is to come up with ways ot adequately talk about smalltown poulations; I can't ermember which Wasington town it is and which Alaskan and certain BC ones, that I went after the demographics sections, for towns of 150 people, talking about "2.8% African-American" instead of "three African-Americans".  Percentages are another way of taking away the reality of the individual; stats figures presented that way have some validity for larger centres; for small places they're idiotic.  Places that have less than 100 people, especially, are hilariously misrepresented by "statistical obsessions" beloved of academics....and certain wikipedians......nice rant, huh?  Anyway all these little issues like the richest/poorest cite problem here get me going, as does the ongoing awkwardness both of StatsCan's source material (and its biases and newspeak) and the application of Wikikipedia-definition terminology/terms of reference on articles about places and people and things taht aren't norjmally talked about in the way the "Canadian guidelines" group have decided we should......I keep on opening all these cans of worms, also, and suffer the indigestion that comes from too many different types of canned worm....at some point I'll have to genuinely wikibreak again; any one of mhy small projects here could take up all my time for months if i went at it "full force"....a guy's gotta eat, and as a musician i've really got to find a way to do that (while remaining am usician instead of having to give up on it).....wikipedia is a hobby, music is a destiny about which I have no choice, and also no knowledge how to live while doing it; soething I have to learn that Wikipedia districts me from, and takes up time which coudl be spent editing tracks, as I'll now get back to doing......email me if you want ot hear some....Skookum1 (talk) 03:54, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Englishman River
Hi; just made some edits to Englishman River - maybe I'm wrong about Moriarty, and maybe there's other stuff that you might know to add; figured you might want to look over my edits - and you'll see I'm as testy as ever on RD-vs-georegion cat usage.....Skookum1 (talk) 13:54, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good, didn't know it was there. -- KenWalker | Talk 15:41, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Royal Engineers, Columbia detachment‎
Just found out someone had started this, here I'd been asking for it for a while ;-) just hadn't seen it....not sure if you've got anything on these guys, know you run into RN stuff in the coastal articles; just a heads-up it exists; I'll rate it "high" priority and see if that flies with the WP:Canada folks; it's certainly high priority in WP:BC....Skookum1 (talk) 15:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

re Delgamuukw
Hi Ken; I don't think constitutional/aboriginal law is your field but maybe you might remember something to do with this.Skookum1 (talk) 19:57, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

British Columbia gold rushes
Also just to let you know I had a whack at fleshing this out last night....Skookum1 (talk) 19:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Talk:British Columbia Coast
Can you please check the comment on this page, Talk:British Columbia Coast. IMHO, a whole section should be re-written or put into wikiquotes. I noticed you had done some revisions and corrections on the article page. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk  21:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Ted Hughes (judge)
Thanks. I'm a bit surprised that there wasn't already an article on him. CJCurrie (talk) 04:44, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Campbell River, British Columbia
Hi Ken; I just updated Campbell River's article a bit, figured it's kinda up in your end of the world and maybe you might want to correct/add what I can't. The format/sequence is still all screwed up, but I did away with a lot of external links within the text, most of which went to mining companies. A lot of the history seems to overlap with itself, but even the opening trasport section is kinda vague/bumpy about the highways. I also noted in BCGNIS that there's "Campbellton", which is a bit of non-municipal land in the centre of the city; I seem to recall it on maps, think it might be Indian-occupied, if not IR; the Campbell River Reserve I think overlaps a lot with the city, but it would be run separately wouldn't it? Anyway if you happen to be up that way isn't there still a sign "Salmon Capital of the World" or something saying "Home of the Big Tyee" or whatever, on the way into town...would make a good illustration. Also the complexity of the local mines/hydro set-up kinda behooves a local-area map at some point, not your bailiwick nor mine....Skookum1 (talk) 02:08, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW the map on that article sucks; it's of the Strathcona Regional District and makes it look like Campbell River is that size; I'm gonna dig up on of the Georgia Strait-Puget Sound maps and locate the city on that; and I think the same local-basemap concept should be applied to other cities in the Gulf of Georgia/South and Mid-Island/Lower Mainland as the BC-wide map is just pointless, whether it's the current RD-basemap in use or a terrain map; no detail is possible. Qyd is semi-retired it seems, and as you know Pfly is in "new fatherhood" and not around so much; damn both of them were great mapmakers...I'll ask Karl Musser maybe....although he's all too busy, too....wish I knew my way around the MacOS imaging-freeware catalogue/capabilities....PaintShopPro used to be my environment in Windows....Skookum1 (talk) 02:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

your corroboration hoped for...
Hi; just making some tweaks to the List of British Columbia premiers page and there were some terminology issues, transducted in from "trans-national standards" that just didnt' sound right; wanted your opinion, maybe endorsement, re this.Skookum1 (talk) 22:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

FYI re Ledgegate and NPOV coverage
Hi; just alerting you to this message to Bearcat, who backed me up on Talk:Stephen Harper.Skookum1 (talk) 20:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Lotusland (British Columbia)
Hi Ken; please see this. Also wondering about Granite Curtain, i.e. as a political/media concept....Skookum1 (talk) 02:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Alberni Valley
Hi Ken; I just stripped a lot of superfluous boldings on Alberni Valley but didn't get at the gee-whiz content; it seems more like a list of recreational features, probably cribbed from vancouverisland.com which someone put as an external link...like material for a brochure on a region, except that I've never considred kennedy Lake or Nitinat Lake or Strathcona ZPark to be IN the Alberni Valley, which to me is only the immediate environs of Port Alberni. You're th Islander so thought maybe it's best to throw it by you; Nitinat and kennedy seem definitely in need of being taken of f the list; anything else? Kennedy Lake I would have thought would have been part of a Clayoquot Sound region, Nitinat in its own, with Carmanah, Walbram, Clo-oose etc...Skookum1 (talk) 02:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know the boundaries, but I would not have thought Buttle Lake was in the valley. I have fixed some links that led to the wrong places. -- KenWalker | Talk 07:30, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

List of plateaus in British Columbia
made myself OCD-busy while doing my laundry, waiting for a 15 inch dump followed by 5 inches of rain overnight (yuck). D'ya wanna have a check over this and see if there's any other columns maybe I should add; and I don't know how to properly format the coords, these were just copy-pastes from a BCGNIS search w. wildcard ("% plateau" - % I figured would work as they use it as a search parameter in Basemap, and it DID work). Left out Plateau Glacier and other plateau placenames; Spatsizi could maybe just redirect to that provpark, not sure.....gonna go fold the laundry now....Skookum1 (talk) 20:13, 21 December 2008 (UTC)