User talk:Ken Gallager/Archive 12

Canobie Lake Park
I put the page for Canobie Lake Park under peer review. I saw you're one of the only people to edit it recently, and since you're from the area, I wanted to let you know in case there are ways you think you can fix its problems or generally expand the content of the article. The peer review page is right here if you're interested!  Michael Ivan  22:31, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Plymouth Regional High School minor changes
I made minor changes to Plymouth Regional High School in an attempt at reducing redundancy and standardizing how certain information (ex. school colors) is listed in comparison to other NH high school pages. I see that you've reverted these edits, and am curious if there is a standard necessary for each edit such that they are not considered "extraneous". I'm still getting in the groove of editing on this site, thank you! Luca2valhalla (talk) 18:17, 6 February 2017 (UTC) luca2valhalla


 * Hi - I reverted mainly because of the stray "Italic text" and New York restaurant menu; those were the extraneous edits. There were also some cases where you deleted some info (principal's name, school colors) for reasons that weren't clear. While I see they were both in the infobox, it's okay to keep that information in the main article as well. I assume the extraneous edits were unintentional on your part? To avoid these, I recommend clicking on the "Show changes" button before publishing - this lets such edits appear clearly. Best wishes, --Ken Gallager (talk) 19:15, 6 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes -- I didn't intend for those extraneous edits (and certainly not the menu)! I appreciate your help -- thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luca2valhalla (talk • contribs) 20:18, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Bean Station
Bean Station is not in Hawkins County. --ACase0000 (talk) 00:53, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * My source is the U.S. Census TIGER data. You can view at TIGERweb. The TIGER data shows the city limits extending east in Hawkins County to Moreland Drive, two roads in from the county line. The Bean Station website is unusable at the moment, so I don't know if the city has conflicting data on their boundaries, though knowing how the Census gets their boundary data, I would be surprised if there were a difference. --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:18, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Four-thousand footers page
Nice job on trail sweep. You're the best. 24.61.220.85 (talk) 21:15, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Government of New Hampshire‎
Hi! A 'bot has just flagged one of the links on this page as dead. It is the one that touts the record-setting nature of the General Court. This link indeed doesn't seem to be anywhere on gencourt.state.nh.us anymore. (The link on the history of the NH House is still there.) Do you know of some other source for this information? Spike-from-NH (talk) 12:30, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Not off the top of my head. I will take a look. Thanks for letting me know! --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:31, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

North Country Loggers
Hello Ken, I was wondering what you thought about a page dedicated to legendary loggers of the North Country? Don't know if Dan Bosse, Jack Hailey, Vern Davidson, etc. would be noteworthy enough to have their own page? I recently created the Jigger Johnson page, but he is definitely noteworthy enough because of the U.S. Forest Service's campground on the Kanc and for being the so-called "last lumberjack" of America, but don't see how the others would be notable enough to have individual pages. Perhaps a page like "Lumberjacks of New England" or something to that effect? Just was wondering about your thoughts on the matter.

Oh, and thank you for liking my edits on the Nansen Ski Jump and Dead River pages. The ski jump looks so beautiful now that the boards have been replaced, looks much better in person though. Keep up all the work your doing for our beautiful state, the work you do on here for NH is truly wonderful. Sirberlinnh (talk) 21:15, 2 April 2017 (UTC)


 * You might be able to try something like a "History of logging in New Hampshire" page. Just looking around for a bit, I see there is a History of the lumber industry in the United States page, so a New Hampshire page would definitely tie into that. There is also a Logging in the Sierra Nevada page, which would be more of a history plus present-day type article model. Sounds like an interesting project! --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:50, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Cathedral of the Pines updates
Thanks for your improvements to Cathedral of the Pines. About the picture: I had only taken a couple of shots when I visited last week, and the picture you found is essentially the same view as mine, but is much better framed. I would have no problem with removing my picture. Do you think it adds anything?

I wish I had taken more shots (of the belltower, St Francis chapel, and cemeteries, for example) but at the time I didn't know I would have to go home and create the article! David Brooks (talk) 13:23, 15 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see now that they are essentially the same shot. The lighting is very different. It could either be removed now or stay in until there are some other photos available. I have a big list of places in NH that need photos for their articles, so I can add this article to that. And thanks for putting the article together! Every couple of years or so I've noticed the red link and thought about doing it myself, but other things have intervened. --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:55, 15 May 2017 (UTC)


 * It was the first anniversary of the death of our nephew. We were driving around the scenic parts of northern Mass and into NH (we don't live here any more, but happen to be in the area), and I remembered I had heard of the Cathedral decades ago, so we stopped there. It was an ideal spot. In part, then, this article was itself a memorial. David Brooks (talk) 19:15, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Watershed navigation boxes
Ken - I used population as a first cut for including towns in the navigation boxes. I tried to include an approximately equal number of towns for New Hampshire and Massachusetts, so the Massachusetts threshold was higher. I would value your perspective as a resident of the area, and would think some of the smaller towns with significant recreational opportunities ought to be included. Thanks for your help on this. Thewellman (talk) 19:14, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * My plan at the moment is to add towns along the Merrimack main stem as well as along the Pemigewasset, since in my mind that is still the Merrimack main stem, only with a different name. Also, what about unincorporated communities? Suncook, New Hampshire, immediately comes to mind as an example. --Ken Gallager (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Turned out to be 13 NH communities along the main stems. I left off a few towns whose backs were to the river, so to speak. --Ken Gallager (talk) 19:28, 5 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I concur with the concept of including communities adjacent to the river and its major tributaries. Suncook sounds good to me. I favor locations readers will recognize over arbitrary distinctions based on governmental structure. Thewellman (talk) 21:17, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your help with these watershed navigation bars. I value your local perspective.  Chocorua again raises the issue of difference between watershed boundaries and boundaries of political subdivisions.  The situation is obvious when one lies entirely within the boundaries of another, but ambiguous when a watershed includes only part of the political subdivision.  My thought, in such cases, would be to include those villages developed around the tributaries.  So while there would be no need to specify individual villages where the entire town (or most population centers within that town boundary) lie within the watershed, I would prefer to specify individual villages when a town has villages (notable enough to have Wikipedia articles) in more than one watershed.  Flexibility (possibly based on population or historical significance) may be required to avoid impractically large lists for large watersheds, or watersheds with a high population density. Thewellman (talk) 17:41, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, fair enough. I can see how Chocorua would be desirable since it's right there on its river. You've given a good general rule of thumb, should there be any questions of additional places in the future. --Ken Gallager (talk) 17:45, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I see what you just did - looks like we already discussed this to an extent. Cheers, --Ken Gallager (talk) 17:46, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for adding the lakes and riverside towns to the Connecticut River template. Please take a look at this discussion with regard to the B&M RR. I value your perspective in this matter, but I think the previous objection has been resolved. From an historical perspective, the Merrimack valley was B&M territory just as surely as Connecticut was New Haven territory. It wasn't a railroad which simply crossed the drainage. Thewellman (talk) 15:29, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * You make a good case for listing the railroad, but since your discussion it looks like there was a second editor who reverted it. I'm kind of ambivalent about inclusion myself, so if you don't mind I will wait this one out. --Ken Gallager (talk) 15:36, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for giving Vermont town pages some love and direction
Thanks for the recognition! --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:26, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Upload to Commons
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Redirects and pipes within US city templates
Hi there. You do a ton of edits to US city and town articles. Would you have a moment to comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Templates. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:51, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

NH mountains
Ken, maybe you should read out to the talk page of "Extreme Ryan Delena", the account that's adding all the mountains to the NH page, and tell her/him about what standards are required. You're spending a lot of time undoing the account's additions! - DavidWBrooks (talk) 13:24, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The thought has been growing in my head. --Ken Gallager (talk) 14:27, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Danville
I am the vice chairman of the heritage commission in danville. Our commission wrote the historic resources article in the master plan. It is public domain on the link I provided. Those are my own words, or the words of other board members, and I got their permission to edit the wiki page as I did.

Your edit is historically inaccurate and no evidence can be found anywhere of the "three dans" you mentioned as your reason to revert back to your original edit.

I will edit it again, with permission from all those in charge of the historic resources section of families master plan. Mijenitsac (talk) 13:31, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. When you edit, please indicate what you just said when you cite the source. --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:38, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * To be precise, please read the Wikipedia policy on sourcing information that you have authored with others: Terms of use --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:43, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Kansas City, Kansas hatnote
Ken, I reverted your change to the hatnote on Kansas City, Kansas. Your edit summery said that there were inaccuracies and red-links, I couldn't find any. I'm curious as to your reasoning. Perhaps the phrasing could be improved. Thanks. Grey Wanderer (talk) 16:19, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm mystified. I'm wondering if there was a glitch with the "about" template. Perhaps the extra pipe was being misread? For whatever reason, the hatnote was claiming Kansas City KS was the principal city, and all the subsequent links were red. --Ken Gallager (talk) 19:02, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I know what happened, and it was entirely my fault. I saw the double pipe, eliminated one, then previewed without realizing I had just caused the problem I was now seeing. Total brain cramp. Thanks for cleaning it up. --Ken Gallager (talk) 19:07, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem! just had to make sure I wasn't crazy. Grey Wanderer (talk) 21:48, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Milford Suspension Bridge
Ken, I have some photos that I took of the Milford Suspension Bridge, number 62 in this register of historic places. I am not sure how to create a page starting with images only. I have no content to add. Do you keep in touch with local historical societies? Perhaps one in or near Milford can start adding information? Henry the 8th (talk) 22:34, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't have any contacts with any historical societies around Milford, but someone who might is User:DavidWBrooks. User:Magicpiano has been writing elegant and concise summaries of descriptions for scores of NRHP articles, so you could get in touch with him/her. You could also upload a photo to the bridge's entry in the list that you linked above. Good luck! --Ken Gallager (talk) 01:58, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for your help improving the Alfred L. Tubbs page that I recently created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Napa56 (talk • contribs) November 10, 2017 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! --Ken Gallager (talk) 18:15, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Administrator reference
Hi, Ken. Can you suggest any helpful Administrator that can come in and referee this rodeo before it gets completely out of control? You and I have worked on innumerable pages over the years, with utter collegiality. Others at the Dartmouth page are clearly trolling changes there and pig-piling on to a non-issue they're making into one. Any suggestions? I'm tired of being bullied (bullied, and bullied again) at Wikipedia. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 14:18, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi - I'm sorry it feels like people are piling on. You could, I suppose, check the Dispute resolution page to see what sort of standard options there are, but in this case I would suggest that you try letting the matter go. I know that is tough when you feel you are right, but I don't think it's worth it to try to prevail over what looks like a large number of editors who disagree with you. I value your contributions, and I'm sure many other people do, too, and I'd hate to see you stop or be stopped editing. --Ken Gallager (talk) 14:32, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, Ken. I appreciate your commiseration.  You'd think I'd've picked up a helpful administrator "angel" or two along the way - which is now around a decade and 40,000 edits, three-quarters of them logged in to this user name and the rest anonymously (which though it deprives one of a proven identity and some minor privileges here also has the saving grace of eliminating the annoying pings telling one their edit(s) have been reverted).  But overall what I've done has been so uncontroversial I don't much need one.  Sadly, when I do one never appears.
 * Instead, I just get frustrated and leave after experiences like the above, which is nothing but cowardice, dogmatism, and bullying in complete contravention of the spirit of "Wikipedia - the free encyclopedia anyone can edit...." Comprised of is an accepted grammatical construct, which has appeared in the New York Times, the New Yorker, in over 100,000 US patents, and has been acknowledged as acceptable by Websters, American Heritage, and Random House dictionaries, cited here at Wiktionary.  What gives the right to some magpies, some self-appointed grammar Nazis, to serially shout someone down with their own pet peeves?  It's insidious.  And I've repeatedly been on the other end of it, in one form or another.
 * As a result, I've had gaps close to a year walking away in frustration after an episode like that at the Dartmouth College page. Probably half a dozen in all, huge total losses to the encyclopedia, to be quite frank about it, but with no apparent mechanism to identify and respond to such situations as evolved two days ago.  A textbook example of "How to drive a good editor away".  The encyclopedia deserves better...it's just not delivering it.
 * I just don't have it in me to get dragged into the very life-sucking quicksand of reporting the obstinate and initiating dispute resolution, which any time I've glanced at amounts to a cyber version of the mythic Chinese "Death by 1,000 slices". I've got more to do with my life, can't afford to sacrifice more than I already do to play moot court with a bunch of anonymous nettles who clearly enjoy the stacked deck of the Three Revert Rule, where the one who reverts first - never the author - always wins - even though by definition they reach the 3rd strike first.  Insanity, that.
 * Wikipedia has no place for someone on a self-chosen jihad like User Giraffedata, who started the whole thing, and is notorious for conducting one. Why he isn't stopped, and his acolytes, is beyond me.  Very sad, and quite destructive for the encyclopedia - which of all things has a (somewhat stilted) page dedicated to the very expression at issue, right here: Comprised of, where he is singled out, yet is allowed to continue his jihad unsanctioned - which has the net effect of being sanctioned to do so.
 * Thank you for acknowledging both the quality of my work and general affability here at Wikipedia. As I posit you are, I have some years under my belt, first having written and edited for publication seven decades past.  (They add up when you squeak in with the late '60s.)  I admire that you are able to edit so broadly and uncontroversially, now one of Wikipedia's 400 most active contributors.   Three cheers to you.  Wikiuser100 (talk) 16:56, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Question re: coordinates
Hello Ken, can you please explain why this was reverted: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kearsarge_House&oldid=prev&diff=817193611 ? If there is a reason, I would like to know so I don't make that mistake again. Thanks TiMike (talk) 20:52, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi! The coordinates were properly formatted, but they were pointing to a location in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, rather than in Conway. I think it will be hard to find the correct coordinates for the hotel, since it's no longer standing, but if you have information on its location in Conway, please feel free to put those coordinates up. Best wishes, --Ken Gallager (talk) 22:35, 26 December 2017 (UTC)