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Ideas Have Consequences edit
As far as I can figure presently, there are at least two ways to outline the page. One is following the order of the book (perhaps chapter by chapter) and the other (which I've presently chosen) is to find a way to incorporate themes that appear throughout the work. This latter method will probably be more clear once you see the edit.

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Reply to your message
Hi Ken,

I'll have to take a careful look at both articles, to check if there are any contradictions. At this right moment, I can't do it because I'm at work, and I wouldn't check it properly. But as soon as I can, I'll do it.

Best regards,

Milena 13:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

regarding the Catholic Apostolic National Church of Brazil article
Hello Kenneth to you too. I took a brief look at the article. Firstly, I would like to know if your source for translation was the article on the Portuguese wikipedia ? If it was then it seems there are some errors. Do reply to my talk page. Thanks Biblbroks 19:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I edited article just a little bit to understand the timeline. It seemed like the timing of events was a bit inaccurate since the source cited:
 * D. Carlos ignorou a excomunhão e, em 18 de agosto fundou a Igreja Católica Apostólica Brasileira. D. Carlos ordenou como bispo um mês depois a D. Salomão Barbosa Ferraz, que uniu sua igreja com a ICAB. But when I checked the english article on D. Carlos, I understood the timeline.
 * Otherwise, the translation looks OK to me.
 * But one question, why is the article's name Catholic Apostolic National Church of Brazil and not just Catholic Apostolic Church of Brazil as in portuguese version and in the article on D. Carlos Biblbroks 12:35, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: CEC and CEC Bishop list, etc
I'm one of the anon IP's. The 65.26.21.40 IP. I've finally got around to registering now, though.--Hald 02:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

ICCEC map
The map doesn't completely agree with the provinces as stated on the ICCEC site, so either the map is incorrect, or the state/province list on the ICCEC site is out-of-date. I don't know enough to say which is correct. I do remember reading something about Bp. Kessler having oversight of the NW Province (AK, ID, OR, UT, WA), and Bp. Painter being Abp. of the SW Province (AZ, CO, NV), as well as Bp. of AZ. Is Bp. Mahon still in CO? --Hald 20:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, Bishop wasn't at church this evening, but I asked our parish deacon, and he said that Illinois has not been reassigned to the Central Provice to his knowledge. If you like, I can follow up with Bishop on Sunday. --Hald 04:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm unaware of any oversight of Missouri by Bp. Meyers as well. I do know that Bp. Davidson has in the past attempted church plants in Springfield Missouri. The only departures in the Central Province I'm aware of are three individual priests leaving in the past two years for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the present crisis. As to the rest, that's outside of my province, so I don't really know. --Hald 22:05, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Bp. Myers has oversight of one mission parish in Missouri, in Joplin a few miles from the Okla. border. Bp. Davidson gave permission for this new parish to fall under South Central because the priest already had a relationship with Bp. Myers, recently moving to Joplin from Louisiana (in South Central).  Timotheos 21:01, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I have no further changes for the map as it lines up with everything I understand it. --Hald 03:53, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Tone of CEC Article
Kenneth,

Actually, I disagree with your statement below. I think that the CEC article is taking on a distinct "hack-job" tone, reminiscent of the tone of the anti-CEC blogs (though nowhere near as harsh). It appears to me that a certain bias is creeping in to your edits. The article is far from being the dispassionate recitation of facts that it should be. One must remember that the great majority of CEC members and clergy are not as dissatisfied with the Communion as the blogs make it seem. These blogs portray a "sky is falling" mentality about the CEC. The blogs represent only a small minority of people, some who have never belonged to a CEC parish! (One seriously wonders about their true motivation.) A large number of lay and clergy in the CEC are completely satisfied with the church and plan to stay.


 * "I think the CEC article is beginning to take on a better, more balanced form - do you?"

While I disagree with the notion of having a "current crisis" section in the article in the first place, I did not delete it. I tried to soften the hard tone that it originally had. Personally, I believe that airing out dirty laundry such as this in a public forum is rather undignified behavior for Christians. This is especially true for an ongoing situation such as this where many innocent people are being needlessly hurt. Therefore, I would opt to delete it altogether. It really serves no good purpose and can only hurt rather than help. One must understand who the audience is for an article such as this. The typical wikipedia reader wants a quick, informative, balanced view a subject. They do not want to read about "he said, she said" difficulties that are currently going on--especially when these difficulties will eventually iron themselves out in a few months. A wiser approach would be to wait until all of this completely settles down in a year or so and then write what happened. -72.197.26.135

Kenneth,

I'll quit boring you with this last comment... I just read your comment on my talk page. I agree with open discussion in the Church. Wikipedia, however, is not the church. It is the same as trying to handle very sensistive, private matters in the middle of the marketplace in the Early Church. --72.197.26.135

Messing up the artcle
Hey Kenny -- Good grief, it's sad to see the CEC article turn into another forum where the stalwarts of the two sides take potshots at each other. I think the original 4 or 5 of us authors had come to a place of pretty good balance. But now we've got an additonal few who keep either adding Zampino stuff or deleting it; adding comments about the Costa line being a schismatic excommunicated sect, or deleting those comments; saying we receive the 7 ecumenical councils, or not. Back and forth, back and forth. I'm glad you've tried to step in and interject some reason on the Talk page. But I think most of these new guys aren't even reading the talk page; they're just adding their stuff and saying nyah nyah look what I did. So I've pretty much decided to stay off the article for a few days until these guys settle down. I'm afraid anything I add would just be wiped out without comment a few hours later. I don't mind fair-minded people critiquing a phrase or shedding new light on facts; but the past couple of days are going way beyond that. People do crazy things when their emotions are all keyed up like this. Fun times, no? Timotheos 16:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Table of bishops
Kenny, you've got more experience with Wiki ways than I do, so please share your opinion. We've been asked to Wikify the Charismatic Episcopal Church Bishops table, which right now is a stand-alone article. What do you think the best approach would be? Pull the table into the main CEC article? Or add an intro to the table so it's formatted more like a stand-alone article should be? Timotheos 17:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Shout outs
Eh, I don't know where else to put my reply to you, so this is where I'm putting it. I just took the page and dumped it into my word processor, and pushed the spell check button. I've been employed as a software developer for nearly 20 years now. I'm working as a contractor (primarily in Oracle PL/SQL) at Sprint in Overland Park, Kansas where I have been since Apr-2004, but that contract runs out at month end, so I'm currently on the market for a new position. I'm also quite new to the CEC having been found out about it just about 2 years ago. --Hald 16:01, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm referring the Babelfish, which I used to generate that text, as I don't speak/read/write/understand Spanish at all. That picture you found of me is almost ten years old now. (I need to put a more current one up), and I am told that I look younger than I actually am. For my current age, reverse the digits of your own. As to my own view? Well, perhaps I would prefer for it not to be known at this time. Just let me say this. I have only just come into the CEC less than two years ago preceded by two years in the desert after a most painful departing from ECUSA, and I am not, therefore, terribly inclined toward another sojourn in the hinterlands. In the word of Sunday's gospel lesson, "To whom shall we go?" If you wish to ask more of me, you may of course email. Discovering my email address is a most trivial task. (How is all this for cryptic?) --Hald 22:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Ken, great to see that you're still alive! ;-D I hear things just got really REALLY interesting down there. Has the entire diocese withdrawn, or are there a few stragglers?

I'm Joe Webster. I'm 18. I joined the CEC alongside Holy Trinity, PA (Fr. Mike Brecht), somewhere around 1999/2000, and my family decided to move to Christ The King Church (CTK), MD (Fr. Ed Meeks) sometime (a litte more than a year?) after that. I got involved with Laudate during the summer of 2003, and was confirmed into the CEC by Bp. Zampino that fall. I took over Administration responsibilities of the LaudateNation.net website from Fr. Marc when he departed a couple years ago, and that basically brings us up to present. I'm still LaudateNation admin (though certain people aren't too happy about that), and will continue to be, atleast until things settle down. :-)

My parish left on the heels of Bp. Zampino's departure, and is now a part of the CCC (grin- for real! its the Communion of Corpus Christi), which is similar to the GLF. I stand with my priests, who I've come to sincerely trust over the past three or four years, and with Bp. Zampino... but more importantly I stand for the truth, no matter where it takes me. I've not yet walked away from this matter primarily because the truth has not been fully uncovered, and that is hurting alot of people that I know. They dont know what to think, who to trust/believe, and lack the resources to pursue the truth for themselves. This crisis has hurt alot of people... alot of my friends. Even though I am not sticking with the CEC, I feel that the truth still needs to be further revealed (and in indisputable form) before this thing is dropped, so that most of us can have some closure in this ordeal. Thus, I shall see this thru.

I certainly would not mind hosting the map on my domain. I did indeed take maintenance of the List of Allegations upon myself soon after it was compiled by Ken F. But I've not updated it since late July, due to lack of time. I'm currently attempting to set up a wiki so that editing of the list can become a collaborative effort beyond Ken and myself. Unfortunatly, my webhost needs to move me to a server with PHP5 before I can do that, so I'm waiting on them at this point. If you want to e-mail me the PSD, my addy shouldn't be hard to find... Your sister should have it, if you cant find it on either the A-F or LdN forums. RoaringOasis 04:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Kenny, yes I did have the old CEC name still listed there on my User page; I just couldn't think of what else to put there in its place. But you've spurred me to change it now. :-) I guess in another month or two I'll be changing the name again... alas.  Are you guys still in San Antonio?  And does St. Patrick's still exist, or have you moved on to other hunting grounds?  Hasta pronto amigo.  Timotheos 00:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Other denominations/platicar
Algunos de nosotros, aunque hablamos solamente inglés, saben utilizar los pescados. :-) --Hald 04:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Magnifico! Podemos edificar/crecer esta pagina en la Wiki manera, para uso futuro. Buen idea! Timotheos 03:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Not Boring?
Kenneth,

When I first read the reference, I thought it was saying that the article was recently withdrawn, rather than the Bishop. After looking at it again, I see that the paranthetical was after "by" and, thus, was refering to the author and not the article. I think if we put the "recently withdrawn" after his name, another knucklehead like myself won't make the same mistake. Pax. Cecfan 16:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * OOPS, I accidentally reverted your new map to the old one. I don't really know how I did it.  Can you fix it?  Cecfan 22:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

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ohayogozaimasu
Good morning/evening/afternoon. :)

It's me, Bobby's brother (Kenneth).

Long time no see. Seems things have been interesting, and I have missed a lot. ^^;; -- Emry 15:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

'Tis me again.
I am fluent in English, and I dable in programming, though I am more of the C/C++ and similarly structured variety. ^_^ Organized chaos in the form of bits and bytes. hehe.

Truth be told my interests are rather varried. If you have an article in mind, I might have a clue.:-) Jack of all trades and all.  (Yes, I know the other half of the equations, sad to say.)

@.@;;

I was semi-amazed at the state of the church. I am SOOOOO out of touch. My first knowledge of the current circumstances was my brother emailing me a link to your article. Emry 08:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

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Hey Kenny, I've taken a stab at creating a new article for the Communion of Christ the Redeemer. Check it out, and enhance any way you can think of. Hope all is well in the big S.A. Later my man. Cliff+ Timotheos 01:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

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