User talk:Keresaspa/Archive 14

Ashkan Dejagah
I think Ashkan Dejagah was mentioned as the first goalscorer under Felix Magath at Fulham as opposed to the first Fulham goalscorer of the match. Kingjeff (talk) 21:15, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Fair point. I've restored first to the sentence but added "of Magath's tenure" at the end to make it clear that that is waht is meant. Keresaspa (talk) 23:58, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement
Thanks for the encouragement but I’m getting out of this rabbit hole before I get sucked in too deeply. Although I was warned it would be like this in advance, all the, “Yes it is, no it isn’t, yes it is, no it isn’t, yes it is, no it isn’t,” reminds me too much of the school playground. Evidently guys who get hooked on internet porn quickly loose the ability to have proper sex with a real woman. I think it’s the same for the whole web, you have the world at your fingertips and you slowly sink into isolation. I’m off to Normandy this weekend because on the other side of my front door is the real world while for most people on the web, for them Normandy is just one more word they tap on a keyboard. As I said, thanks for the encouragement, but I’m off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarcusPinktus (talk • contribs) 08:51, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Another Nazi
Hans Eisele (physician)Hoops gza (talk) 23:41, 10 March 2014 (UTC) He should be in Klee.Hoops gza (talk) 00:04, 11 March 2014 (UTC) I take it he wasn't in Klee? His German page has Klee in the bibliography.Hoops gza (talk) 01:24, 11 March 2014 (UTC) Johann Pauls - Hoops gza (talk) 02:30, 11 March 2014 (UTC) Unfortunately, his name may also be found in literature as John Pauls.Hoops gza (talk) 02:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Slightly esoteric source but done nonetheless. Keresaspa (talk) 00:47, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Just between us (and whoever else happens to read this) I take the references from Klee directly from the relevant page on the German Wikipedia as I don't have access to a copy of the book (I've seen one though and it includes party membership numbers for each entry so it's definitely a legitimate source). If the German Wikipedia doesn't give a page number then I can't use it and in Eisele's case it didn't unfortunately. Google Books turned up the one I used. Keresaspa (talk) 01:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No, can't find one for him. Keresaspa (talk) 01:11, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I tried that as well and found nothing. He's very short on sources generally. Keresaspa (talk) 03:03, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Heinz Röthke - I would appreciate your help with this one.Hoops gza (talk) 01:52, 28 March 2014 (UTC) Eugen Steimle - another one to scour the books for - Hoops gza (talk) 20:06, 4 April 2014 (UTC) Wilhelm Albert (SS officer) - looks like Klee might do the trick.Hoops gza (talk) 18:32, 7 April 2014 (UTC) Ernst Damzog - Hoops gza (talk) 19:18, 7 April 2014 (UTC) Friedrich Buchardt, probably in Klee 2007.Hoops gza (talk) 03:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC) Sorry, I forgot your issue with Klee.Hoops gza (talk) 03:56, 17 April 2014 (UTC) Thought you might care to know that I've added Himmler's wife to the mix.Hoops gza (talk) 00:53, 20 April 2014 (UTC) Obenritter did most of the work on it FYI. It is a featured article in German and he translated it. I meant that I added her to the list.Hoops gza (talk) 02:00, 20 April 2014 (UTC) Apologies, I see now that I could have done this one myself. However, how do you know with certainty that it explicitly states party membership for every person?Hoops gza (talk) 00:48, 23 April 2014 (UTC) Anni Rehborn, wife of Karl Brandt?Hoops gza (talk) 19:01, 23 April 2014 (UTC) Erich Kempka, Hitler's chauffeur.Hoops gza (talk) 19:53, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You got it - nice and easy one this time. Keresaspa (talk) 02:13, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The source used in his article did the trick. Keresaspa (talk) 00:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yup. Keresaspa (talk) 18:41, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I looked for him before and drew a blank. I've added him with the source from his article but it looks rather unreliable and will probably be removed. Keresaspa (talk) 19:22, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Had a bit of a job finding that one but got there in the end. Keresaspa (talk) 00:43, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a good looking article to be such a recent creation. Keresaspa (talk) 01:08, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Jakob Weiseborn - perhaps Klee.Hoops gza (talk) 22:39, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yup, in Klee. Keresaspa (talk) 00:17, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't have a copy of Klee but I've seen one before and the biographies all give NSDAP membership numbers. Generally speaking the unsourced numbers that appear in a lot of the German Wikipedia's articles are taken from Klee. Keresaspa (talk) 00:56, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I had to dust off my (non-existent) German language skills there but found one in the end. Keresaspa (talk) 23:10, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Adolf Metzner? - Hoops gza (talk) 03:22, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Detlef Okrent? - Hoops gza (talk) 03:55, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Paul Otto Radomski? - Hoops gza (talk) 15:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Richard Rau? - Hoops gza (talk) 15:37, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Fritz Ritterbusch? - Hoops gza (talk) 16:06, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Josef Schillinger? - Hoops gza (talk) 16:39, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Hinrich Schuldt? - Hoops gza (talk) 17:34, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Anton Thumann? - Hoops gza (talk) 17:53, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Fritz Witt? - Hoops gza (talk) 19:04, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll check later. Keresaspa (talk) 19:08, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Eduard Deisenhofer? - Hoops gza (talk) 23:52, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Fritz Klingenberg? - Hoops gza (talk) 23:57, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Martin Weiss (Nazi official)? - Hoops gza (talk) 00:09, 13 May 2014 (UTC) These are all Waffen-SS. It's likely that some of them never joined the NSDAP, but some of them did. My thanks as always for checking. Hoops gza (talk) 00:37, 13 May 2014 (UTC) Can't remember if I ever asked you about Walter Reder. Hoops gza (talk) 00:42, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * So far just Metzner and Witt. I'll check the bottom two in a minute but I can't find anything for the others. Keresaspa (talk) 00:13, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * NO, neither of those two either. Sources for all of these guys are pretty scarce. Keresaspa (talk) 00:16, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Hermann Dahlke - Hoops gza (talk) 00:49, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Ewald Lindloff - Hoops gza (talk) 00:51, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * None of those three either unfortunately. As you say with the Waffen-SS mob they tend not to bother saying if they were Nazi Party members or not. Keresaspa (talk) 01:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Otto Schumann - Hoops gza (talk) 01:38, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Karl Ullrich - there is a German article on him despite what the Wikidata says. Hoops gza (talk) 01:45, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I found one for Schumann eventually but nothing for Ullrich. The closest I came was a reference that he was an SA member but that's not quite the same. And Wikidata is pretty screwed up since they stopped editors doing it themselves. The bots often miss out articles on other Wikis now but there's no way to fix it. Often the changes round here end up being for the worse. Keresaspa (talk) 02:00, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

It depends, if it hasn't been wikilinked to other languages on a certain Wikipedia, sometimes it still works for me. For instance, I wiki-linked Otto Schumann just yesterday. Hoops gza (talk) 01:33, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Still possible I suppose, although I still reckon the original way was more straight forward. Keresaspa (talk) 01:37, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

At your leisure you may want to go through the Waffen-SS at List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients of the Waffen-SS, one at a time. I am quite confident that you have not tried these yet. In fact, several of these say in their articles that they joined the party (without citations, of course). Otherwise, I would be linking you to every article on that page! Hoops gza (talk) 18:34, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll get round to them. It might take me a while as I have a few things on the go here at the minute bt I will do it eventually. Keresaspa (talk)

Here's a new one: Falk Zipperer - Hoops gza (talk) 04:21, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't find one for him. I'll keep looking as there's bound to be one somewhere but Google Books gives nothing apart from his SS membership. Keresaspa (talk) 17:14, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Karl Künstler, Alexander Piorkowski - Hoops gza (talk) 02:32, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No, couldn't find either. I hate it when Klee is a reference but they leave out the page number so as we can't just use it. Keresaspa (talk) 20:01, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

One more to address: Houston Stewart Chamberlain - Hoops gza (talk) 01:14, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * He's a guy I've read plenty about down the years but I've never yet encountered anything describing him as a Nazi Party member. By all means they used his works as their template but by the time they had any significance he was far too ill and disillusioned for political activity. I'll have a look but I'm nearly certain he was never an actual party member. Keresaspa (talk) 01:25, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm baaaack
Hi Keresaspa. I am in the process of creating a new article. What do you think? Hillcrest Bar bombing? I hope to do one on the Rose and Crown attack.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:23, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't know you'd left! I'm not on here nearly as much myself these days as I can't really be arsed with all the drama any more. As I said before when you mentioned wanting to do it I'm not really sure the Rose and Crown bombing merits an article but don't let me put you off. Keresaspa (talk) 00:48, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Well I hadn't left completely but had stopped creating articles and really just updated info and made corrections. When I came back from my summer holiday last year I discoverd that another editor (who has since been banned from all Troubles-pages) had gone around removong chunks of info and adding stuff about how the UDR had a strict vetting process. I'm sure you know to whom I am referring! As for the Rose & Crown, rhere is no info out there!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:33, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh when you get the time could you provide me with a page number? I need the page number of Chris Anderson's book Billy Boy where he describes Billy Wright shouting "Up the UVF" at the British Army tower upon his release from the Maze. Thanks a million. Google Books doesn't give the number.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:04, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm sure information for the Rose & Crown bomb exists but, on a personal level, I just don't think it needs an article. I'm not a fan of having an article for every single incident in the Troubles as it essentially comes down to a value judgement of what deserves one and what doesn't. Then you end up with the usual sectarian rod-waving contests about whether dead Fenians are more important than dead prods or vice versa. For me big ones like Bloody Sunday, Bloody Friday, McGurks etc are fine but I'm just not into the idea of every incident getting an article. There's probably a couple on here already that I personally don't think need articles to be honest. But as I say, that's just my opinion so if you're happy to do it then good luck to you. As for the other bit I'll get round to it but I leant out my copy of Billy Boy recently so it won't be for a while. But remind me in a few weeks as I'll probably forget! Keresaspa (talk) 20:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Keresaspa. I think you're right about the Rose & Crown. There is no info out there so it would be pointless doing an article on it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:33, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * If you do have stuff there are plenty of places to add it without creating a new article. It's just mentioned in passing in Ormeau Road so if you've uncovered anything it would be a great addition there. Or 1974 in Northern Ireland, which doesn't even mention it and, like pretty much all the "year in Northern Ireland" articles isn't very good as it stands. For my part I think my philosophy on article creation has changed in the last year or so. In the past I got carried away with it and there are some articles I personally created in the past that I now think probably weren't needed - specifically some of the more minor C Company figures I created, all of which have more or less the same content and a couple of non-NI ones about very minor groups that only existed for a few months. But as I say that's just me and you've made more edits that I have so if you think I'm wrong (wouldn't be the first time) get stuck in. Keresaspa (talk) 19:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh and I texted my mate that I leant the book to and he informs me (reliably, I hasten to add) that the "Up the UVF" bit is on page 28 of Anderson. Keresaspa (talk) 20:33, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

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Heinrich Deubel
Thank God for the watchlist, eh?Hoops gza (talk) 04:05, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Exactly, what is going on with that article? Madness. Keresaspa (talk) 18:54, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

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Interesting note
I know that this is not the source of your username, but did you know that if you go to the Hungarian Wikipedia, the "Search" term is "Keresés"?Hoops gza (talk) 04:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know a word of Hungarian so new to me :) Found a ref for Erich Kempka BTW. Keresaspa (talk) 18:34, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Discussion
There is an ongoing discussion at Talk:List of Nazis about the list's criteria. Your input would be appreciated.Hoops gza (talk) 21:40, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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 * * Jim Rodgers (politician)|Jim Rodgers - UUP

Lindsay Mason
Hi - thought you might be interested in this new article; Ulster loyalism and National Front membership! Warofdreams talk 20:01, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Good stuff. He's somebody I always had in the back of my mind for an article but always struggled for sources. Still, you seem to have found plenty and it looks great. I think his name crops up in a book or two I have kicking around somewhere so I'll see if I can add anything. Keresaspa (talk) 23:28, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the extra info - I've put it in for DYK, so it might make the front page in a few weeks. Warofdreams talk 20:35, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. And thanks for the Belfast City Council election, 2014 edits. I would have tabulated them myself when I added them but all that stuff really confuses me. Keresaspa (talk) 23:27, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Can you help?
Knowing your interest in and knowledge of British right wing extremists, I wonder if you could take a look at a couple of articles. I created National Liberal Party (UK, 1999) and expanded Graham Williamson but feel that someone else should look them over. Emeraude (talk) 11:23, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll have a look tonight. I'm sure I have something about Williamson somewhere but it might take me a while to find it in the mess! Keresaspa (talk) 18:47, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * As you can see from the message below I just signed up for a HighBeam account so there might be something useful on there too. I'll check tonight. Keresaspa (talk) 18:57, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

You've got mail!
Nikkimaria (talk) 14:34, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, nice one. Thanks for approving :) Keresaspa (talk) 18:58, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Ronald Bunting
Dates of birth and death clearly included? Where? Quis separabit? 00:47, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I read it wrong, hardly the end of the world. Revert me. Keresaspa (talk) 01:35, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Billy Snoddy
Thanks again for your work on Lindsey Mason, which has now appeared on the front page. I was investigating the possibility of an article on Bill/Billy Snoddy, and I wondered whether Snoddy the UDA member and Vanguard candidate was the same person as Snoddy the DUP councillor and Forum member? They were both from Newtownabbey, but I can't find anything either way on whether they are one and the same. Warofdreams talk 18:12, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Good question! I can't seem to find a definitive answer but my gut tells me they're two different people. Highbeam turns the DUP guy up as a Citizens Advice Bureau head (possible job for an ex-UDA leader) and a school governor (less likely) and has a long enough article about his wife in which no mention is made of him being UDA (here if you have access). I also found a picture of him - for me he looks a bit young to have been a UDA boss in the early 70s although maybe he's just wore well and he does look a bit of a hardcase in that pic! Overall I think probably not but I wouldn't totally rule it out. Keresaspa (talk) 18:42, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look - you've found a bit more than me and, given the number of Snoddys in the area, I guess there is indeed a good chance that it's someone else. Warofdreams talk 19:54, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If the UDA member is different, there's a bit of a lack of sources about him. Keresaspa (talk) 20:10, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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