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 * constituency)|Lagan Valley]] and failed to capture one of the six seats by a narrow margin.

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 * William "Plum" Smith (sometimes erroneously spelt Smyth') born 26 January 1954 William Smith, Inside Man, Loyalists of Long Kesh - The Untold Story,

Klee books
Hello again, just wanted to say that I'm surprised that you have not simply decided to buy the Klee books at some point, as it would allow you to add hundreds of entries to the list of Nazis which you have constructed. - Hoops gza (talk) 16:07, 12 October 2014 (UTC) I believe the books are available through online booksellers in that case. Anyhow, I wonder if there are plans to translate Klee's work. - Hoops gza (talk) 17:04, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't read German so it wouldn't be worth my while. When I cull from the German Wikipedia I at leat have Bing Translator to help me but without it I wouldn't be able to read a word. That and I live in Belfast and German language books are pretty much impossible to find here. Keresaspa (talk) 16:24, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I've spent enough money on this place down the years. I probably would buy it if somebody did a translation but it's been out a while and probably would have happened by now so I wouldn't expect it. Keresaspa (talk) 18:11, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Maximilian von Herff
This guy's citation on the List of Nazis was challenged and removed. He's been on a list without a reliable source for a while now. - Hoops gza (talk) 21:28, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * No dice. His membership number is on the German Wikipedia but unsourced. Leave him on the list until somebody else gets a bee in their bonnet about it. Keresaspa (talk) 18:40, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

By the way, I have added some content to Friedrich Uebelhoer. - Hoops gza (talk) 22:41, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed that. Looks good, nice work. Keresaspa (talk) 22:46, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Reliable sources
User:GeorgeandGeoff is citing the Springbok Cyber Newsletter as a source in this edit. As the resident expert in this sort of thing, I wonder if you could offer your views on whether this qualifies as a WP:RS\reliable source. Thanks. Ground Zero | t 20:54, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Good question! The only available online version I can find is this and that would seem to fall under WP:SPS. Mind you, moving down to WP:SELFSOURCE it seems a bit less clear. The claims being made don't seem that controversial I suppose and I can't imagine there would be any other sources available for the claims. Mind you, the inability to confirm or deny its accuracy is potentially a reason for the source being dodgy. My personal opinion is that, as long as the claims being made based on the newsletter isn't controversial it should just about do but as reliable sources go I would classify it at best as weak. Reliable sources/Noticeboard might need to be called in on this one.
 * Forgot to mention, if it does remain we should probably add to the text being supported by the reference something along the lines of "according to the Springbok Club" so as the reader can make up their own mind.
 * I do have the feeling that I've encountered this user before under a different name as some of their edits (changing National Party to NPUK for instance or all the stuff about Alan Harvey) have been done previously by others. It is however just a feeling and I'm making no concrete claims about sock-puppetry. Keresaspa (talk) 21:18, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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Nomination of Michael Cole (public relations) for deletion
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 * No problem. I'd forgotten about this article until it was nominated actually. Certainly not one I would consider amongst my crowning achievements on here :D Keresaspa (talk) 03:39, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Hilja Riipinen
Hello Keresaspa, I noticed you created some of the Patriotic People's Movement biography articles. I just created one about a female IKL MP called Hilja Riipinen (I think it's interesting because there were so few women in the far-right). Anyway, I proposed it for DYK, however it might be a problem there are no English-language sources. I wasn't able to find any from Google Scholar in English either. Was she mentioned in your sources? --Pudeo' 15:21, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I uncovered a few minor sources that I've added to the article (very good job on that, by the way) but nothing substantial unfortunately. If there was an English language source with any detail about her I would bet my bottom dollar it would be S. U. Larsen, B. Hagtvet & J. P. Myklebust, Who Were the Fascists: Social Roots of European Fascism but alas I don't have access to it any more since I graduated. A pity really because it's a great source for all the more obscure figures and groups in Europe. Personally though I don't see why there should be a problem with the sources you used being Finnish ones. They all look pretty good to me and it stands to reason that sources about a Finnish politician are going to be mainly in Finnish. Keresaspa (talk) 02:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks for the edits, diversified it a bit! --Pudeo' 02:10, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'll keep looking in case I can turn any more up. Keresaspa (talk) 19:02, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Some names to try to cite for the List

 * Ernst Girzick
 * Otto Hellwig
 * Heinrich Seetzen
 * Horst Böhme (SS officer)

- Hoops gza (talk) 08:16, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Nothing on Seetzen but the other three are done. Keresaspa (talk) 02:45, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * New one, Alexander von Dörnberg, he actually held the title of baron, so I leave it up to you whether his page should include "Freiherr" in the title.

- Hoops gza (talk) 04:55, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the rule is on that score, actually. Looking at the German barons category there seems to be an even split between those with Freiherr in the title and those without. Considering most of his life was lived in a German republic I would be more inclined to leave his title out but if somebody else wants to include I wouldn't mind. For me though, leave it the way it is, for the sake of convenience as much as anything. I'll look for a reference later on. Keresaspa (talk) 19:39, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Keresaspa (talk) 01:35, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

At the rate you bang these things out you might actually get this done. Fantastic work. I added a photo to Hans Huttig. I am curious, though, as to why you do not get involved in including images or infoboxes for these subjects. - Hoops gza (talk) 23:27, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Only so many hours in the day! If I get into all that infobox and image stuff I have to sacrifice writing articles and that's what I'm better at. Keresaspa (talk) 00:21, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

A better source for Franz Hössler would be nice, when you have the time. I cannot confirm that it refers to his NSDAP membership, it might be his SS membership, as it is at the end of the sentence. - Hoops gza (talk) 22:13, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That source is fine as it covers the whole sentence (in both the English and German Wikipedias). Keresaspa (talk) 00:23, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Conrad Weygand - Hoops gza (talk) 08:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No, nothing on that one. Keresaspa (talk) 19:27, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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Commandants/Soldiers of Evil
I am translating the German articles of some commandants that do not have English sources. I will post the slate of them your way for your knowledge when I am done. But you might be able to squeeze another commandant out of this book, is Wilhelm Göcke mentioned in some detail in it? His German article lists the book in the bibliography, but I do not have the book to check. If you make an article on him, I can then check it against the German article. - Hoops gza (talk) 03:55, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Here they are:
 * Arnold Büscher, needs a source
 * Nikolaus Herbet, already sourced and added to the list
 * Wilhelm Schitli, needs a source
 * Albert Sauer, already sourced and added to the list

- Hoops gza (talk) 18:50, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately Soldiers of Evil has only two mentions of Göcke - one stating his salary as a camp commandant and the other mentioning that he had to abandon his studies in order to fight in the First World War. Not nearly enough for an article, although if you want to translate his German one I can add them. As far as I remember I made articles for everybody who the book covers in detail a year or two ago. Nonetheless I'll see what it has to say about the other four and will look out for references to add the two to the list. Keresaspa (talk) 19:58, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I've checked and no luck. Sauer is the only one mentioned in Soldiers of Evil and it's just a quick anecdote about him and some mates sitting in the second class carriage of a train when they had only paid for third class tickets. In context it is being used to demonstrate that SS members expected special treatment because of their status but it would add nothing to his Wikipedia article. No sign of any sources for Buscher or Schitli either. Keresaspa (talk) 20:13, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Splendid, I will translate the article from German and then you can add in the references where appropriate. It wouldn't look very good with just a bibliography. I will let you know when I am finished with the article. - Hoops gza (talk) 00:40, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Done, Wilhelm Göcke. - Hoops gza (talk) 01:17, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Could you please take a look in your book and let me know what you have on Günther Tamaschke? - Hoops gza (talk) 02:50, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * A bit about his wife, something about his being disciplined for non-payment of alimony (apparently his private life was a bit chaotic) and the text of a personal reprimand from Himmler accusing Tamaschke of profiteering. Not enough to make an article but enough to bulk an existing one up again. Keresaspa (talk) 20:45, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Marks meaning Reichsmark? - Hoops gza (talk) 22:49, 6 December 2014 (UTC) Tamsaschke now has an article. - Hoops gza (talk) 22:51, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I presume Reichsmark, but God knows to be honest. Keresaspa (talk) 01:51, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Tamaschke sourced and added to the list. I take it no luck on Goecke? - Hoops gza (talk) 03:48, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Nothing mentioning him as a party member, no. Keresaspa (talk) 16:55, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Günther Tamaschke
Hello: There is a timeline problem with the "info" from a source you added to the article. As you may know, the SS, was officially reformed and renamed the "Schutz-Staffel" in 1925. Per the article it states, ..."he was one of the first members of the Berlin SS in 1927". It goes on to state: "Tamaschke married and became a partner at his father-in-law's wholesale store in late 1922." But the part you added it states: "The marriage had initially been delayed when an SS investigation uncovered that Hirschberg's grandfather had committed suicide and that two of her uncles had been sent to concentration camps for involvement in left-wing politics, both of which made her unsuitable in their eyes to marry an SS officer. Eventually however the marriage was allowed to take place."

The timeline does not properly fit. Please check your source as to dates. If he joined the SS in 1927; if he married by late 1922; then he would not be under SS investigation as to his in-laws; further, the first concentration camp was not around it those times.

Also on another note, I believe the "Personal Life" section can be intergrated into the main body text so there is no redundancy. What do you think? Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 14:45, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Second wife obviously. Keresaspa (talk) 19:14, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note also "my" source (I'm not Tom Segev, so I fail to see how it can be mine) doesn't give any dates and perhaps the alimony payments he refers to are relating to the first marriage. But remove whatever it is that's bothering you. Keresaspa (talk) 19:18, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Also note that "Personal Life" sections are pretty ubiquitous on Wikipedia, but remove it if you want, I'm really not bothered. User:Hoops gza did most of the work on that article so take up any substantive changes with him. Keresaspa (talk) 19:30, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I never said you were Segev; the addition was however; as I said above, from "a source you added". Further, it is not "obviously" a second wife, at all. As for the "Personal Life" section you added, I don't feel that strongly about it, just mentioned it as it seemed redundant. Kierzek (talk) 20:28, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I've answered all your questions. As I said, do what you like. Goodbye. Keresaspa (talk) 00:11, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Fixed it now. You should probably ignore most of what I wrote above, you just caught me on a bad day! Keresaspa (talk) 01:13, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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Red letter users
Oh dear I see another dreaded red letter user has struck again. If you need support on Alex Kerr let me know.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:50, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know if I can even be bothered any more, mate. In the last couple of weeks I've had people on Frankie Curry, Robin King and Charles Harding Smith all claiming insider knowledge and making edits accordingly as well as Alex Kerr (loyalist) being tagged for speedy deletion because somebody decided it was libellous despite being reliably sourced from top to bottom (I haven't even bothered reverting the Curry one such is my malaise with the whole lot of it). Now Ken Kerr is under attack too by a user who is probably the same as the Alex Kerr one under a different. I've reverted their edits but I'm not getting bogged in it as the whole Billy McFarland crap over the summer soured me totally on it (not least the snide attitudes of some of the tossers who got involved in the RfC and spent most of their time having a go at me for not obeying their little rules properly even though I was the one trying to uphold verifiability). These Northern Ireland articles are really becoming a lot more trouble than they're worth. Keresaspa (talk) 20:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The Alex Kerr page has been nominated for deletion by someone who implies that he is privy to information about Kerr and has even hinted he may be Kerr himself. I have commented on the talk page. I tell you this place is full of weirdos....--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry about taking so long to get back to you but I haven't been near Wikipedia since "Kerrgate" kicked off as I've been taking time away to cogitate my actions both with regards to this debacle and to my future involvement in Wikipedia as a whole.


 * Before I go on I'd like to rewind a while to the last time you and I talked at any length back when you suggested a Rose & Crown attack article and I spoke against the plan as well as suggesting that you and I had been a bit over-zealous in the past with our Troubles articles creation. I think I inadvertently offended you back then and if so I apologise unreservedly as you've been unquestionably the best person I've worked with on Wikipedia and I would never want to annoy you in any way. However it was something like this happening that I had in mind when I said all that. We have been creating articles about a lot of people who lived on the edge and it was in the back of my mind that at some point one of them might show up who wanted as little as possible said about their past. Unfortunately that is what we're looking at now.


 * I've left my take on the AfD page itself but as I stated I'm not saying any more there because I don't want to get dragged into that sort of nonsense too much. But I'll say to you that this right to be forgotten thing is something that I really feel needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later and that the Wikipedia community, Jimmy Wales or both need to come out forcefully one way or the other as to whether or not the ECJ ruling is going to determine the future of Wikipedia. If it does I rather suspect it will sound the death knell for Wikipedia as a source of biographies because anybody whose notability is based on anything unflattering will be free to demand their article's deletion whilst those for whom that's only part of it will be able to demand woefully incomplete articles. I was recently peripherally involved in Articles for deletion/Michael Cole (public relations) and I let it go at the time because it didn't seem vital but it is possibly the first example of right to be forgotten leading to a BLP deletion. For me that's a very dangerous precedent and one that needs to be stamped out right away otherwise the value of Wikipedia as a biographical resource will be compromised to such an extent that it will be totally useless. To tell you the truth this current one is make or break for me and if they opt to delete Kerr's article on the basis of right to be forgotten then I'm gone. After all, what would be the point in any of us wasting our time on biographical articles if their subjects can just demand their removal because of the lives they chose to lead? If Wikipedia is just to be filled with emasculated puff pieces then that's not something I want to be part of. Hopefully sense will prevail but the way censorship and information manipulation are taking over the internet I'm not sure that it will.


 * Jeanne, I'll leave it there for now as I reckon I'll go back into self-imposed temporary exile whilst the denouement of the whole farce plays out as I don't think my blood pressure can take it! If you don't hear from me on here again you'll know I've jacked it in. Either way it's been a pleasure and privilege to work alongside you these years and you remain a credit to Wikipedia. Namaste! Keresaspa (talk) 20:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No no no Keresaspa I wasn't in the least offended regarding your suggestion about the Rose and Crown. It made sense seeing as there is precious little media content on that particular atrocity for reasons which I believe involve a deceased high-ranking loyalist greatly esteemed by Gerry Adams. In fact your caution appeared to be very prescient considering what has happened to your Alex Kerr page. IMO we are dealing with a person representing Mr Kerr and not the man himself. I received several warnings of lawsuits from a person claiming to represent the Miami Showband survivors after I published in an online blog my theory behind the UVF's ambush which involved Brian McCoy and Robin Jackson. It indeed bodes ill for the future of Wikipedia if subjects can dictate what goes into bios and indeed nominate their deletion with little or no opposition from other Wikipedians. So far only you and I are battling for Kerr's retention. As for a person's right to be forgotten, I noticed that when John James Somerville died of cancer last month the media wasted no time in reviving his UVF past and prominent role in the Miami Showband massacre. I once received an e mail from a man claiming to be Torrens Knight and he asked me if I worked for MI5!!! The book written by Anne Cadwallader is pretty much a duplicate of my Glenanne gang article. What I'm getting at is that our articles are obviously being read by many people. Ruth Dudley Edwards donated money to Wikipedia after having read my Robin Jackson and Jonesborough ambush articles. I thibk you are one of the best writers at Wikipedia and I would hate to see you go. From the fisrt time we collaborated on a page I was instantly impreesed by your writing and research abilities. I do think Wales needs to tackle this looming problem re bios. The main issue with the Kerr page seems to be that he didn't assist Wright in forming the LVF; this is patently absusrd as he along with Wright were ordered to leave NI. If Kerr had been an ordinary foot soldier with the UDA the UVF Brigade Staff would have hardly issued such a threat. Feel free to contact me via e mail.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:20, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Guess who! Sorry for leaving you in the lurch on this one but I needed a bit of time away from here to think about whether or not to continue. Given that you won the day in the end and, for once, good sense prevailed I was probably a bit premature in my doomsaying above. On top of that you've made several good points above so it's probably a better idea to stay in place rather than leaving altogether. I can take people asking for changes to their articles where there are no sources or even poor ones but Kerr's LVF involvement is a matter of public note. Be sure thy sins and all that. As to your idea below, sounds like a good un and I'll certainly sign up. Keresaspa (talk) 01:38, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm glad it was kept and that you're on board with my project. It was so laughable when the nominator kept insisting that the article put Kerr's life in danger by saying he helped found the LVF. If Kerr survived after taking his supporters and South Belfast UDA's guns over to the LVF, he will surely withstand this article!!! Anyway thanks for the barnstar.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:45, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * He turns up in the Tele regularly anyway and I'm sure plenty of UVF top lads read that! Daft argument. And the barnstar is well deserved. Things are a bit hectic in real life at the minute so I'll probably only be contributing sporadically for a while but your project is worthy and I'm happy to get involved. Keresaspa (talk) 01:36, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

My new project
I would love to have you on my new project which I set up today as a means of expanding, improving and monitoring Troubles articles. WikiProject Council/Proposals/Northern Ireland Troubles --Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:17, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

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Nazi bluelinks that need citation to prove they were Nazis
I have restored the requested page to User:Keresaspa/Nazi bluelinks that need citation to prove they were Nazis, so that you can take responsibility for it. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:00, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much :) Keresaspa (talk) 00:16, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Re: Chris Hudson
Thank you for creating this article. I added it to Wiki Loves Pride 2015/Results, which tracks new and improved LGBT-related articles during the month of June as part of the annual Wiki Loves Pride campaign. If you create or improve other LGBT-related articles this month, please feel free to add them to this list as well. Thanks again! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:06, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem, thanks very much. Keresaspa (talk) 02:11, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

McAliskey shooting
I added the requested refs for the McAliskey and Smallwoods articles that verified the names of the UFF gunmen that carried out the McAliskey shooting. By the way, nice article on Chris Hudson. I was hoping somebody would do a page on him as he's quite notable.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:13, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I only tagged them before some trigger-happy type removed them because of BLP crap as normally I don't tag the best editors. Hudson was in the back of my mind for a while but I just never got round to him. Bit of an education for me personally as I always thought the trade union guy and the vicar were separate people! Keresaspa (talk) 19:01, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * A very interesting and unusual man. Nice job you did on the article. I had red-linked it hoping a page would be created for him. As regards the McAliskey shooting, I read that Graham was the lead gunman and Watson the back-up.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:20, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I've never read that SAS book so their names were new to me. Keresaspa (talk) 02:30, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

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UDA South Belfast Brigade
Excellent work!! I'm glad you created the page. I had wanted to but I just don't have enough books for sources.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:39, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem. Once I saw the redlink I knew you were in the market for it so I thought why not. I would have carried on but sleep beat me last night. Keresaspa (talk) 13:43, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * If you want to have a go at copyediting the "Feud with West Belfast Brigade" section you would be doing me a big favour as I'm afraid I just copied it word for word from Jack Mac's article. Similarly do you have sources for the stuff you told me about the origins of the group and it's early commanders on your talk page? If so I reckon that it would really improve the "Origins" section, which looks a bit weak right now. Keresaspa (talk) 15:46, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes I'll add the refs now. I did a bit of copy-editing, will do more later.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:51, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Good show. I've still to do a post-2003 section and maybe revise using Wood and Ulster's Uncertain Defenders but right now it's ebay time so that can wait. Keresaspa (talk) 16:51, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * What do you think so far? I thought it notable to include Murphy's negotiations with the Army during the strike. Oh I need to ask you something regarding Hatchet Smith. Lost Lives gives his address as Benburb Street.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:11, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Just the job, looks great. Having reread the passage about Smith in McDonald & Cusack it's not clear that the absolutely meant he lived in Roden Street so I've rephrased it a bit to indicate that he was kidnapped there and lived nearby (Benburb Street being about a five minute dander up the Donegall Road). Keresaspa (talk) 23:49, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I've seen the work you've done on it with photos and all; it's a cracker article. Nice job!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:55, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Taking my lead from you on that one as you're rather the master of image choice to spruce up articles. I'll probably beef up the lead at some point and maybe have a slight prune of the last section which is a bit overly detailed but apart from that we've done good work. Keresaspa (talk) 18:10, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

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