User talk:KerryCommon

Edward Chapman (British Army officer)
Hi - Please can you add some references to your edits to this article. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 20:39, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Good job. Well done. Dormskirk (talk) 20:04, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem! (WatermillockCommon (talk) 23:33, 4 November 2014 (UTC))

Your experience with Wikipedia so far
Hello WatermillockCommon,

I am conducting research about newcomers to Wikipedia and I was hoping to ask you some questions. I’ve noticed you’ve had some good activity recently. Is there any chance you have time in the next month to speak with me? If you are interested or have any questions, please email me at gmugar [at] syr.edu or leave a message on my talk page.

I hope to be in touch soon,

Gabrielm199 (talk) 04:41, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

London Gazette
Hi! I've noticed that you created Cecil Moore (Royal Air Force officer). It looks good. I though you might be interested in special citation template when referencing the London Gazette: Template:London Gazette. Good luck with future articles and edits, Gaia Octavia AgrippaTalk 16:39, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! WatermillockCommon (talk) 17:21, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

User page
Hello again! Can I recommend that you add something to your user page. This could be a summary of your editing habits or you may be interested in adding some userboxes. This is because many people will see your red linked user name and presume that you are a very new editor. It may cause other editors to treat you with less respect and/or treat your edits with less respect. Hopefully this makes sense, and keep up the good work! Gaia Octavia AgrippaTalk 02:35, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you - I will do! WatermillockCommon (talk) 20:44, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

WP:DYK?
I think you should nominate Ullswater 'Steamers' to WP:DYK! Deryck C. 20:28, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the suggestion! I have just done it. WatermillockCommon (talk) 20:43, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ullswater 'Steamers'
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DYK for British Relief Association
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Matthew Gordon Banks
Watermillock, it is a fact that PM May's Husband and Matthew Gordon Banks were at school together for several years, though Phillip May is slightly older. Is it that much of a problem for you to not include this this his biography somewhere? These are the sort of details people like to read. His work in Parliament of Aviation and Shipping Safety for example does get a look in because an over addiction to references. Phillip May was a key factor in Gordon Banks rejoining the Tory Party even though he is no longer tribal and frequently critical of HMG. Charlbury4 (talk) 23:39, 23 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi Charlbury4, thanks for your message. I am not disputing that this information is fact (I do not know), but all Wikipedia requires is some kind of accessible reference which can corroborate the fact. If we have a reference (an interview, article etc) then I think that the information probably best belongs in either the Early Life or the Personal Life sections - what do you think? It just seemed a wee bit out of place where it was before... WatermillockCommon (talk) 21:24, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

John Chetham McLeod
Thanks for contributing to the article John Chetham McLeod. However, one of Wikipedia's core policies is that contributions must be verifiable through reliable sources, preferably using inline citations. Please help by adding more sources to the article you edited, and/or by clarifying how the sources already given support the claims (see here for how to do inline referencing). If you need further help, you can look at Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia, or ask at the Teahouse, or just ask me. Thank you. Dormskirk (talk) 21:47, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Sir Thomas Southwell, 1st Baronet
Dear WatermillockCommon. Thank you very much for creating the article Sir Thomas Southwell, 1st Baronet. I have tried to do some further work on it. You might want to have a look and do some checks. Please correct me wherever needed. I am still learning Wikipedia and am a foreigner whose English and understanding of Irish history might be wanting. Please, more specifically I wanted to ask your help about Sir Thomas's death date. Already in the article's first revision in 2015 you stated that he died on 7 December 1680. I wanted to add an inline citation but could not find a source for it. I hope you might still have an idea about where you got it from. With many thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 10:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Oops!
Completely missed that you'd made another Hamilton Gorges. Apologies! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:30, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem! I made them in very quick succession and should have done the disambiguation page first. Thanks! WatermillockCommon (talk) 22:11, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Gustavus Hamilton, 1st Viscount Boyne
Dear WatermillockCommon. We seem both to write biographies of Irish aristocrats in similar styles and encounter similar problems. Thanks for your recent intervention on the article "Gustavus Hamilton, 1st Viscount Boyne" where you bolded the first mention of "Baron Hamilton" and "Viscount Boyne" in the main text. I find this interesting because in the past I did the same thing, but then I was corrected by User:Peacemaker67 during the A-class review of Donough MacCarty, 1st Earl of Clancarty(see. He told me "Unbold 2nd Viscount Muskerry", I was astonished and replied "Done. I was so convinced bold was prescribed for the first mention of article title terms in the body in the MOS (under MOS:BOLD under Article Title Terms?) but I can't find it any more" and he insisted "To my knowledge, bolding in the body has always been deprecated". So I am now confused. Would you please point out to me where this bolding is prescribed, with many thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 14:17, 3 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi Johannes Schade, thanks for your message. An interesting one. I had always assumed bolding was prescribed, but only because that it is how I found it in the many articles I used as templates when starting out. Unfortunately I do not have any evidence (beyond weight of usage) to back it up; I'm not an experienced reviewer. I have mainly used bolding when referring to the creation of a new title (such as Edmund Pery, 1st Earl of Limerick), rather than when referencing inheritance. I know that bolding is still widely used, including in articles for new life peers (see Alistair Cooke, Baron Lexden, Bernard Ribeiro, Baron Ribeiro, Paul Strasburger, Baron Strasburger among many others). In my opinion, it's useful and should be followed, particularly when an individual may have been known by several titles over his or her lifetime, but I am sorry to have caused confusion! WatermillockCommon (talk) 15:53, 3 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Dear WatermillockCommon. Thank you very much for your kind reply and especially the examples that you cited. I used one of these examples, Bernard Ribeiro, Baron Ribeiro, to open a discussion with the Wikipedian Atchom, who added the bolded "1st Baron Ribeiro", in that article at a position after the lead. Upon that User:Peacemaker67 wrote a reply on Atchom's talk page, which you might have seen. He cites the rule in MOS:BOLD and carefully discusses some possible exceptions. I find the conclusion is unescapable: all the cases of bolding after the lead that we mentioned here are not MOS-conform and should be unbolded, even if I would agree with you that this bolding is often useful as the biographical subject changes name at this place. I have removed the bolding from "your" article Sir Thomas Southwell, 1st Baronet discussed higher up on this talk page. What do you think? With thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 20:52, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

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 * WatermillockCommon has made over 5000 edits since 2014 with a remarkable 96% of them to article Mainspace. Many of his 500 articles display his interest in Ireland and the English Civil War. His recent interest is designating the category for the various Chancellor of the Exchequer of Ireland into the article for each. He is to be commended for taking the additional time and effort to create articles for the missing personages as he uncovers them.

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Proposed deletion of Gillman baronets


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Siege of Derry
Dear WatermillockCommon, thank you for your recent improvement to the article Siege of Derry. We seem to share an interest in Irish history. You made a valuable contribution that is most welcome. May I ask you for an additional favour. Could you go one step further and support your interesting statement with a citation? Not that I doubt its truth, but WP:V demands it and the section has a maintenance tag "This section needs additional citations" added by User:Johnsoniensis back in 2016. Besides why did you upper case "crimson flag"?

I looked with interest at your two biographies of the 1st and 2nd Baron Monteagle of Brandon. Coat of arms are provided in both of them and in the article Baron Monteagle of Brandon where you also contributed. Like you, I have contributed to several Irish aristocratic biographies, but I have never thought of adding their coat of arms. I do not know much about them. The three mentioned articles seem to show precisely the same coat of arms. I have the impression that this is not alsways the case. Individual title holders seem to sometimes vary their coat of arms, e.g. by quartering their coat of arms with that of their wife's family. How can one know whether a particular coat of arms found on the Internet is the "right" coat of arms for an individual, a title or a dynasty? With many thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 18:10, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear WatermillockCommon, FANTASTIC! Thank you so much for adding the citation. You are really helpful – and so fast. Best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 09:30, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Johannes Schade, thank for your messages. No problem regarding the Derry citation; I should have added it to begin with.
 * Regarding heraldry. I am no heraldry expert, but the "simple" explanation is this. A coat of arms is granted to an individual; this coat of arms is usually inheritable by their male heirs, but for women, it can only be passed on to future generations when the woman is an heraldic heiress. Quartering of an arms happens when an armiger marries a heraldic heiress – such a woman is entitled to transmit her father's arms to her own children, who add them as a quartering. Because the descent of a title usually follows the senior male line, it is possible for many successive generations of fathers and sons to bear the same coat of arms – undifferenced and unquartered – as they inherit the title. As you rightly point out, sometimes variations can take place, but only when the senior male entitled to the arms marries an heraldic heiress (or in the case of younger or illegitimate sons "differencing" their arms).
 * In the case of Baron Monteagle of Brandon, this coat of arms is the unaltered arms granted to the first baron. His senior male line descendants have not married heraldic heiresses, and therefore the arms of the following title holders have remained unchanged. The College of Arms are the authority on this; it is only their records that show categorically how a coat of arms may have altered over generations. However, Burke's etc will often describe the coat of arms as granted or matriculated when a title was created. This answer isn't perfect, but I hope gives some clarification! WatermillockCommon (talk) 15:43, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear WatermillockCommon. Oh, this is an eye-opener. I had no idea. Thank you very much for telling. Best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 17:46, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Charles MacCarthy, 1st Viscount of Muskerry
Dear WatermillockCommon, thank you for your contribution to the article Charles MacCarthy, 1st Viscount of Muskerry. You added "Their son was Daniel MacCarthy Reagh." You are perfectly right and you created an article for this notable man. Well done. I rephrased your addition slightly (it was not clear to me who "they" was in your sentence) and added a citation from O'Hart. I hope you agree. Please have a look. I want to keep things short in these lists of children. Unluckily, Daniel's father seems not to be notable, otherwise Daniel could get a better treatment in the list of children in his father's article.

We seem to encounter each other again and again in these Irish biographies. It is a pity that you use a different citation style. With many thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 21:08, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Johannes. As ever, a fine rephrasing - all good.
 * Yes, our interests do appear to overlap! Reassuring to know my additions have a second pair of eyes on them... ! WatermillockCommon (talk) 23:31, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Daniel MacCarthy Reagh
Dear WatermillockCommon, thanks for having created the article Daniel MacCarthy Reagh. I understand that this Daniel is a younger brother of the Finghin that appears at the bottom of the family tree in the article Donal MacCarthy Reagh of Kilbrittain and that he is notable because he was an MP in the Patriot Parliament. His mother is Ellen, daughter of Charles MacCarthy, 1st Viscount Muskerry, but she is certainly not a "MacCarthy Reagh", as you call her (in error?).

I have problems with the three citations that you give:

(1) You say citation 1 is to be found in the Journal of the Cork Historical and Archaeological Society and give a page but no author and no year, volume or issue. Is "Cork MPs" the title of the article? This is in fact (as I just found out):

– Morres to O'Callaghan

(2) Is a page from a website called "LibraryIreland" (https://www.libraryireland.com/Pedigrees2/irish-parliament-king-james.php). This is not the website of the National Library of Ireland. The page refers to O'Hart. Daniel MacCarthy Reagh should appear in the list that O'Hart gives at O'Hart gives at the end of the 2nd volumume of his Irish Stem starting at page 833 (https://archive.org/details/irishpedigreesor02ohar/page/833) but I do not find him there. We find him, however, in the 1st tome page 120, right column "2. Donal (who raised a regiment of Foot for James II.), m. Maria, dau. of Colonel Richard Townsend, of Castletown, and dying in 1691 was interred at Timoleague; ".

(3) Nice website for searching, but in the end the cited sources and not this website should be given.

Dear WatermillockCommon, would you not agree that this citation style, which seems to be is not satisfactory. I feel this style is good for beginners but not for editors of your calibre. You should use Sfn. See for example how it is used the recent FA Frederick the Great.

Best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 21:32, 24 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Dear Johannes Schade, thanks, as ever, for taking the time to send me a message and for highlighting the "problems" that you have with both my contributions and referencing style.
 * (1) Excellent, if you have found a better, more acceptable way of styling and presenting the core reference I used, then please go ahead and insert it. Many thanks for finding an easier to read and more satisfactory reference for the source.
 * (2) Am I misreading something or does the link you sent me above from the Irish Stem starting at page 833 not refer to the 1797 parliament, rather than the 1689 one? I am not sure why one would expect to find a 1689 MP on a list of members for 1797... perhaps I have misunderstood the point? O'Hart's list from the existing reference link shows Daniel MacCarthy Reagh as the second member for the Borough of Bandonbridge in 1689. I have never claimed that the website is the National Library of Ireland.
 * (3) I have noticed your preference for using Sfn in your many excellent contributions. I also note that you state my reference style is "not satisfactory". Personally, I have always tried to adhere to WP:CITEVAR, and create articles of an acceptable stub or start class with a decent number of references to get them going. If other, "more professional" editors then wish to take on a page and improve it, they can do so.
 * I hope you've had a good weekend. WatermillockCommon (talk) 18:44, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear WatermillockCommon, thanks for talking to me. I was wrong with (2) and you were right. O'Hart's list concerns the MPs of the 1797 parliament and is therefore the "wrong" list for us here. The "right" list is found at page 772 (https://archive.org/details/irishpedigreesor02ohar/page/772/). I think it is better to cite O'Hart (a book) than to cite a website that is "publishing" O'Hart and might be gone tomorrow.

Of couse we have to adhere to WP:CITEVAR. As most articles start with a citation style because this is what newbies are taught to use (I also started like this; see Scrabo Tower), I have endlessly to ask for permission to change the citation style (see e.g. section "Proposal for a change of citation style" on Talk:Henry Folliott, 1st Baron Folliott). I have asked and obtained such permission on 16 articles. I wonder whether I can take your "can do so" above as your permission for the case of Daniel, or do you prefer I ask officially on the talk page? Perhaps I should in order to formally comply with WP:CITEVAR but not tonight any more I am tired. With many thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 21:28, 26 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Dear Johannes - take this as a free pass from me to improve, add to, amend etc any of my articles, as you see fit. We have much overlap, and it makes sense to collaborate without the bureaucracy. Reference styling is your thing - unfortunately it is not mine (yet) and there is still much to learn. If I see anything with which I'm not comfortable, I'll raise it with you and we can talk it through.
 * I agree regarding the O'Hart reference - your source is better and I will use it from now on. WatermillockCommon (talk) 21:35, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear WatermillockCommon, wonderful. Thank you so much for your attitude. Thanks for the "free pass". I will start with some work on Daniel. Let us join forces and improve Wikipedia. We will discuss freely and honestly where needed. Friendly greetings, Johannes Schade (talk) 08:54, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

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