User talk:Kerry Raymond/Archive 15

Speedy deletion nomination of Charters Towers Central


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Postcodes in Queensland
Hi Kerry - A question. Over recent time you seem to have changed a number of locations in Queensland to show that they have no postcode - see the first 20 or so in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearch&limit=250&offset=0&target=https%3A%2F%2Fauspost.com.au%2Fpostcode However I believe this is incorrect. Take Wyuna, Queensland} If you click on the post code reference and then request Wyuna it shows 4723 for that location. I prefer the reference to show which takes the user straight to the required information. Alternatively you can replace the "postcode/Wyuna" by "postcode/4723" if you know the postcode. Am I missing something?Fleet Lists (talk) 06:53, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Postcodes are not as stable as you might like to think they are. They seem to come and go for areas with very low/no population. I did a big push last year to put postcodes into every Queensland place article (or note if they didn't have a postcode). If I wrote a place did not have a postcode, then at the date in the citation, the Australia Post website didn't list a postcode for it. If that situation has changed, please free free to add a postcode into the infobox and remove the commentary about having no postcode. Wyuna QLD has evidently only recently been assigned a postcode. While it appears in their online lookup today, it does not appear in their downloadable list of postocdes which provides a document dated September 2020, which is consistent with my observation that it had no postcode in July 2020. Right now I am working on ensuring all Qld place articles have census 2016 data. When I've finished that, I might come back and look at the places without postcodes and see which ones have acquired postcodes in the meantime. With postcodes changing, electoral boundaries changing, censuses coming out every 5 years, there is an ever-increasing maintenance problem for Wikipedia for things that superficially appear as "stable" information, as I guess you know yourself with the public transport info. It frustrates me that I spend so much of my time doing this kind of maintenance and not writing more interesting content. Kerry (talk) 07:51, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Kerry. I have updated all the ones in the list shown above so they now all show the latest postcodes. I know what you mean about maintenance as I still need to do another postcode lists which use the http prefix which no longer work as the website now only accepts https, as well as a some localities in Sydney which had boundary changes resulting in new URLs which someone else included in Wiki but for some reason the council website changed the links before they were even archived so they need to be changed - a job for tomorrow and still over 1700 localities which need to have the post office histories changed to Phoenix Auctions. I also know that a lot of My School references no longer work. I dont have the answer to that as yet. That will keep me busy for at least six months.Fleet Lists (talk) 07:49, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for doing that. Kerry (talk) 09:11, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Surprising links
Still trying to get my head around how Sir Walter Scott was mistaken for a politician from Maitland. --Find bruce (talk) 03:23, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's actually easily explained. My heritage-article generator does not "read" in the way that a human does. It creates wikilinks in the History section of a heritage article by attempting to match words in the text against article titles within the Category:New South Wales (directly or indirectly). It is allowed to ignore parts of article titles in parenthesis, so when it sees the words "Walter Scott" in the history text and sees the NSW article Walter Scott (Australian politician)", it says "aha, this must be the Walter Scott being talked about" and links it. This heuristic works very well most of the time, as the content of the history section of a NSW SHR article is generally talking about NSW topics (a NSW politician is far more likely to be mentioned in a NSW heritage history than a Scottish poet), but of course there are exceptions (like this one). In the same way, in the Description section of those heritage articles it looks for words and phrases that match articles from architecture and construction-related categories, enabling it to correctly link to "pilaster", "string course", "king post" etc. In theory the person who uploads the generated text on Wikipedia is supposed to check the generated links, but, because the generator actually does a good job at getting the links right, it's easy to become complacent and not check carefully. Kerry (talk) 04:29, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Tattersall's
Hi Kerry, I'm just dropping you this note because I have too many other things on the go to investigate further just now, re the Tattersalls Club article. I am assuming that it lacks the apostrophe because the name on the building does not have one? Having just added that section about the Landscape Art Prize, it struck me that the club website uses the apostrophe everywhere, and so the article should probably use it where it refers to the club (unless there was an historical shift to adding the apostrophe at a certain point)? In the meantime, I have just added a redirect to the article from the version with apostrophe. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:40, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's how it is because that's what the heritage register called it. But the club itself appears to have an apostrophe. I don't care which it is, feel free to change it as you will. 09:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks thanks
Appreciate it,

The now closed Tjapukai Aboriginal Cultural Park, which I had never heard of, seems to deserves its own page, not just the redirect I created to the relevant section of History of Cairns. Regards, 220  of  ßorg 06:58, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Conflated Scope Repair Queensland Mountains and Localities
Hi I see you've worked on a bunch of locations in Queensland, Australia. A handful of them conflate the mountain and locality in both the intro and the about. I'm trying to cleanup WikiProject Mountains and dual category tags just don't make sense when the focus is a locality. It would be more consistent with the articles of the rest of the world with the project if the mountain name was used on a redirect with potential markup to the locality. This way the mountain name would be searchable and linked to a separate page with its own Wikidata ID and easier to identify where an article to expand on the topic is needed. Would you be interested in helping clean up these articles to match since you've worked on them before? I'm compiling a list on User:Wolfgang8741/TODO and fixed a few already. Wolfgang8741 says: If not you, then who? (talk) 13:50, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you need to raise this at Australian Wikipedians' notice board for two reasons. First, the issue is not confined to Queensland (which is the focus on my interest) and is primarily aimed at improving coverage of mountain (not an area of interest to me beyond noting basic facts about mountains like coords and height in articles about town/suburbs/localities). Secondly because the combining of the natural feature and the man-made feature in a single article goes back to quite early days of Wikipedia, there may be some long-established local consensus around doing it that way. While I do not normally create such an article myself, equally I do not change them if it's already done that way, because it happens enough that it looks like it may have arisen from consensus. I think the reasons you give are all good reasons to make the change but I need the Australian community to be happy about it and it may be useful to engage a wider group of people in the task in any case as I don't generally edit articles about other states (QLD alone keeps me very busy). BTW I'd suggest avoiding the use of terms like "conflated" and "repair". Perhaps "combined" and "improve" might be more diplomatic, particularly if a consensus is involved. Kerry (talk) 02:49, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your thoughtful reply. I may not have been clear in my improvement process, which I am following the consensus with combined article on geography and locality, but the inconsistency is how the introduction is being written in these few articles locally where a mountain and location are described in the same article. The intro lacks a focus on the location over a mountain as is the suggested practice when combined. The tagging practice of mountain category is mostly done by redirect across the mountain project and only a handful of locality and mountains coexist. The practice using the redirect tagged is the most common across the Mountain project. I reached out to you given you were a recent editor across many of these articles and might have been interested patrolling to keep the practice consistent in the area you focus. I plan to raise this cleanup to WikiProject Australia as well and discuss to gather consensus, it is why I did change the list. Thank you for your input and good luck with your work. Wolfgang8741 says: If not you, then who? (talk) 18:30, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Ha!
Thanks for that. Apologies for not responding your email during lockdown last year - it came in during a very busy work period and I just kept forgetting to reply...for however many months. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 13:12, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Coober Pedy Oodnadatta One Day Mail Run


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Something you might like to expand?
Hi Kerry,

Deer Reserve National Park

(I've long been tempted to start an essay WP: Pathological Conciseness, but I worry that if other editors expanded on the subject, it might end up too long-winded and discursive for my liking.)

Apologies for this long-winded and discursive post. I will attempt to be more concise in future.

Pete - my middle name is "be at all times be as concise as possible" - AU aka,

Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:52, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Growth Newsletter #18
Welcome to the eighteenth newsletter from the Growth team!

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you for the barnstar and thank you for fixing all those typos; I suspect I am the author of many of these typos. Kerry (talk) 02:35, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Lamb House, Kangaroo Point
FYI, SOLD! See here. Regards, 220  of  ßorg 10:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Duplication of 2016 census data in many Qld locality articles.
Hi Kerry. After removing dup census info from a couple of articles I realised that many more have this duplication. I assume you are aware of this and are OK with it. Can you let me have your views on this for my future guidance. Thanks, John. Downsize43 (talk) 02:42, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There isn't a problem with duplicating content from other parts of the article in the lede para (nor adding it to the infobox). I'm putting any census data with the census citation into the history where it can remain as a permanent part of the history after the next census. But after the next census, the census statements in the lede and infobox will be the 2021 data. Kerry (talk) 09:56, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I thought so - just seems strange in really small articles. :) Downsize43 (talk) 21:12, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I like to hope the articles will get bigger some day. Indeed, it's what I'm working on at the moment but there's an awful lot of them to do. Kerry (talk) 07:44, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing news 2021 #2
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Thanks for the thanks!
Thanks for your thanks x2 Kerry! Just doing my bit...Cabrils (talk) 06:43, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

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Castlemaine Perkins brewery
Do you happen to have a copy of the QHR text for this lying around anywhere? I've wanted to unentangle the mess of Castlemaine Brewery material for a while (numerous breweries dating back to the same two guys, at least three of which are heritage-listed, and all of which were floated into completely different companies with completely different histories) and I just noticed that it seems we never used the (perfectly good) QHR material on the Milton brewery. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 01:43, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The current Castlemaine Perkins brewery at Milton isn't on the QHR (as far as I can see). The former Castlemaine Perkins brewery in the Brisbane CBD is on the QHR and has been uploaded at Castlemaine Perkins Building. The Milton brewery is on the Brisbane Heritage Register but is not CC-BY so I cannot generate from the BHR, but there's plenty of material there if you are willing to do DIY. Kerry (talk) 02:17, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops, my bad! I mangled the two together in my head. Thanks for the explanation. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 02:18, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * More source material if you are interested - the text is from State Library of Queensland and is CC-BY but the photos will be individually copyrighted, but most of the photos are dated pre-1955 so out-of-copyright. Also this 1937 book of Castlemaine Perkin's history is out-of-copyright and digitised so its text and images are ok to copy-and-paste. Kerry (talk) 02:32, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That's really helpful. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 02:39, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you don't already know it, you need to select the "A" on the left-hand tool bar in the Trove digitised book reader to get the OCR-ed text. Kerry (talk) 02:49, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

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Regarding short description writing
What if I was only editing the short description? As I recall, I only wrote a short summary of the article as a “cemetery in Australia” without citing any sources, which falls within standard procedure for description writing on this site. I would personally be open to adding a citation and revising the wording as needed, but I don’t see the former as necessary. Jarrod Baniqued (talk) 10:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was trying to revert the previous edit but on a mobile device I managed to click the wrong edit to revert. I have restored your short description. Kerry (talk) 10:06, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021
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Photo
Hi, ive removed a photo following this message on my talkpage "Hi, I'm looking at the photo of Enith Clarke and Alexander Sverjensky on With Clarke's Wikipedia page and have been informed by Sverjenskys son that this photo is not of his father. Thanks Su Compton", regards Atlantic306 (talk) 23:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * That's the same person who asked me (apparently at random) to upload the photos in the first place and provided the information on who was in the photo. But with photos, it's generally better to first fix what's on Commons (remove the guy's name) and then decide what to do with the articles that use the phto. I see no problem with retaining the photo on the Enith Clarke article so long as we don't name the guy. But the photo should be deleted from Alexander Sverjensky if it isn't of him. If things don't get fixed on Commons first, sooner or later someone will come along and add the photo or guy's name back again. If that suits you, I will do that. Kerry (talk) 00:22, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * That's interesting, if you could fix it as you suggest, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 00:25, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Done, apart from waiting on a Commons administrator to approve the renaming but it should all flow through automatically after that. I removed the photo from Alexander Sverjensky. I didn't re-add it to Enith Clarke as there are other photos there for her there. 00:43, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Dagmar, Queensland for deletion
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Growth Newsletter #19
Welcome to the nineteenth newsletter from the Growth team!

The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in Wikimedia projects.

Structured tasks

 * "Add a link" is the team's first structured task. It uses machine-learning to suggest wikilinks as easy edits for newcomers. It was deployed in May 2021 on four Wikipedias and then in July on eight more Wikipedias after we evaluated the initial results.  So far, we've seen a high level of engagement from newcomers. Communities that have the feature suggested valuable ideas for improvement.  We'll work on improvements and then contact more communities to deploy it.
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Nomination of Noah, Queensland for deletion
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Nomination for deletion of Template:QldElectoralRedistribution
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Western rail, Qld
the GeoGroup does nothing without data, there's only one GPS (Barakula) on the page, unless you manage to point the geogroup at another dataset Dave Rave (talk) 20:38, 9 November 2021 (UTC) { GeoGroup | article=Category:Railway stations in the Hunter Region } - but with the correct category name need a new set of categories in Qld sub groups like some of the NSW ones have been - damn there's not an existing set of stations on a line, though we could easily figure it out Dave Rave (talk) 23:45, 9 November 2021 (UTC) The school will be some of the major points are towns, not railway stations, so there's GPS points being in article notated. I doubt the inline map template idea will work better than this category display which seems to be quite good, at least understood, easily maintained. Dave Rave (talk) 07:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * looking, let's try
 * My plan is actually to add a route table within the article with coords for each station into the article for the railway line, but your idea of using the Category is an interesting approach but, as you say, if there was a category. I suspect many of the railway stations on that line would struggle with notability so using a category approach wouldn't work so well unless they all have articles. Then if anyone has the source material to create individual articles, they are free to create individual articles. My problem at the moment is that I am not getting a lot of Wikipedia time due to a family illness. Too much to do and too little time to do it. So my progress may be a bit slow on this. If you want to do anything in this space, I do have a spreadsheet with coords of all current railway stations in Queensland as well as some (but not all) historic ones. If you would like a copy of this, email me at kerry.raymond @ wikimedia.org.au and I will sent it to you (about 2000 entries in it). I have a citation for the dataset, which I can send you too (so it's just a copy-and-paste to cite).Kerry (talk) 00:42, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * the main stops have pages so that was easy, copy paste on the category got that down, I'd like to know how to make the inline route map, that also included the GPS but that would be duplicating work, I was starting a look at using wikidata but that got me to where it is already, so just the long words using the category name, does the geogroup go further down ? Dave Rave (talk) 00:59, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Well it certainly reveals some interesting things are in that category, such as a school, but presumably such things can be sorted out. Aside, it took forever to load the Open Street Map (I am guessing it takes a while to process the category; did you experience that too? I am not sure exactly what you mean by "inline route map". Do you mean one like Template:South Coast railway line, Queensland (which can't take coords), or one like in the body of South Coast railway line, Queensland which is just a table and can include anything you want including coords, or do you mean a geographic visual map showing the route across the surface of the earth using something like Template:Maplink or similar etc (which is something I don't know how to do but would definitely like to learn how). Kerry (talk) 06:05, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * my loading took 'no' time, same with NSW Main Western, loads of points, no time
 * I did have an instance of the page taking forever, didn't load, but I think that was a wiki server error, not the GPS data Dave Rave (talk)
 * Looking at the Tablelands page, it's geogroup works but because the GPS is in the text. I think it is not a well laid out method, looking at the GeoGroup help a table for data is given, I've used that on Jamison Valley but it makes a lot of space that isn't really useful to the article. Tablelands also works well as the GPS notes are displayed in sections, so looking at my sandbox page does this look like a neater method ? to save making a lot of station pages just to not include the school / post office but make the text prettier ... Dave Rave (talk) 01:02, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I use GeoGroup a fair bit. But there is a bit of interplay between how the article is written and how useful the resultant GeoGroup is that has to be considered. Most of my uses of GeoGroup are for articles about towns and localities where there is quite a bit of structure in terms of headings, subheadings, and there aren't relationships between the points themselves (beyond the groupings that naturally arise through the heading structure), e.g. Boonah. Railway line articles are different because the best representation of a railway line is to actually draw the line on a map (which would be my preference if I had the skills). Because GeoGroup renders on top of Open Street Map, for a current railway line, Open Street Map should already include the line so just putting on the coords for the stations is probably OK, e.g. for Western railway line, Queensland. However, just marking the stations is more problematic for a closed line e.g. South Coast railway line, Queensland as the reader may infer that the lines shown on Open Street Map are the line for the South Coast railway (but are actually highways or the new Gold Coast railway line). I'm not a fan of hiding the coords in the article. If the only goal was the GeoGroup, then that's maybe OK, but what if the reader wants to see the actual coord, not a dot on a map? I incline towards not taking away information from the reader, so I would prefer to leave them in. When I am doing an article with a GeoGroup and there is a sequencing of the coords (such as in a railway line), I give some thought to the sequence of placing of the content and the coords so the ordering in the GeoGroup is sequential and not random. See the South Coast railway for this. I tend to try to list them north-to-south or west-to-east (depending on the overall route of the line) as that creates a more logical sequencing in the GeoGroup. The category approach gives alphabetic sequencing in the GeoGroup which I don't like, e.g. for the Western railway, Charleville comes before Cunnamulla and Toowoomba (the two end points), but that might OK for some categories where there isn't an inherent ordering of the points being displayed. But the solution to the problem may be at hand. I asked if anyone was able to do a session on making maps with Maplink etc and User:Canley volunteered, so I will let you know when that's scheduled. That might give us more options on the best approach in different circumstances. Kerry (talk) 02:43, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I find alphabetical, you can't go wrong, as you're not stuck looking up and down a list for the one you've missed. I do like that line grouping where it's by the page sections. I have managed to make a kml file, Oberon railway line which looks like it doesn't work anymore? Dave Rave (talk) 03:13, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems to work for me. I see a wiggly line that starts near Tarana railway station to the north and ends at the south near Gilmore Malachi Memorial Hall with various other points of interest marked on a yellow background. Is that what you expect me to see? Kerry (talk) 03:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * sounds like it, all three of my browsers aren't showing it, I get text or downloads, it should look like an OldStreetMap line on a map. I snuck those points out of a larger kmz collection, so the gold coast line could be extracted too Dave Rave (talk) 09:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * oh, up there, the route map button, i was looking down the bottom at the kml link below the refs. silly me Dave Rave (talk)

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 * trust thatthe state library has underwater breathing apparatus

in the 1990s when I was doing research in central java - one of the important archives I knew about had been lost in the 1960s due to an overflowing river and archives being kept in a basement - when I was visiting in the 1990s they were putting material in first floor location
 * the television images are really horrible  JarrahTree 11:28, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * State Library of Queensland and the flooded Brisbane River 1.jpg Thanks for your concern. We are OK in terms of river flooding as, although we live near the river, we are high on a hill, but houses near to us but lower are suffering and the suburbs to the west of us are now cut off from supplies, which is also a risk we faced yesterday, but the shift of the rain south towards NSW seems to have reduced that risk for us, but has of course created a crisis in other places like Lismore. Yes, being adjacent to the river, the state library is not well-positioned for flood waters (see the 2011 photo) but they are well-aware of their risk, and have disaster planning around it, and the building usage reflects it, the lower levels being car parking and public spaces and the collections (especially the rare specialist ones) are in the upper levels. Kerry (talk) 05:19, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Very relieved - to hear you are safe - it sounds and looks very scary from Western Australia. Lismore sounds absolutely terrible, and the devastation in Brisbane on tv now is outright devastating. JarrahTree 11:05, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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