User talk:Kertenkelebek

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Please stop making biased edits at List of unrecognised countries. Wikipedia is not the place to push an ideological agenda. Please read Neutral point of view. Rebecca 11:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

NOTE OF THE CREATOR: Nobody is pushing any ideological agenda, what I feel obligated to change are the facts which are either deviated or intentionally hidden from people. I suggest you get an insight of the topic before interfering issues you have almost no idea from the other corner of the world under the effect of global propaganda. Not everything is as it seems. Therefore I will continue to edit what I know is wrong from a NPOV.User:Kertenkelebek 14:45, 16 June 2006 (EET)


 * Words to avoid. - FrancisTyers · 12:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Bertilvidet 12:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It might not be your intention, but your radical unilateral edits to Ataturk articles result in blank pages and dead links. Please stop immediately, or I will have to ask an administrator to intervene. Bertilvidet 12:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

NOTE OF THE CREATOR: Of course it's not my intention, I'm only redirecting all relevant articles to a single one under the name of Atatürk's full name: "Mustafa Kemal Atatürk". There's nothing radical in my edits and since they're eventually redirected to the same single page, there will be no blank pages present at the if you could ever show some patience. Show respect to him and stop re-redirecting.


 * Your edits have created a horrible mess. I try to clean it up. Please step back, take a look at Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Urgently you should familarize yourself with WP:3RR Bertilvidet 13:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * This is a last warning. Hope you will contribute with constructive edits in a collaborative way. Bertilvidet 13:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Please do not move an article by copying and pasting the contents. If you believe that the article should be moved, please list it at Requested moves. Thank you. - Mike Rosoft 13:55, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
Please stop moving Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, wait until discussion is finished, and let an admin do it then.--Matthead 16:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Selam
Ok, I see what you're saying now. Cheers! &mdash; Khoikhoi 07:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Hoş geldiniz
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Atatürk
I'm confused, you want me to change my vote? Why should the page be moved? Look at Britannica for example. I think the current title is fine. &mdash; Khoikhoi 21:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Support
Tartışmamanız için yazdım. Support buydu. Burası zibidiler cenneti. Atatürk de tartışmazdı. 19 Temmuz 1974 akşamı, yani çıkartma öncesindeki akşam, Rauf Denktaş'ın rüyasına girmiş, Denktaş, "Paşam, niye artık hala gelmiyorlar? Daha ne bekliyorlar?" diye sormuş rüyada. Atatürk de, "Konjonktür önemlidir Denktaş!" demiş. Denktaş hatıralarında anlatır. :) Cretanforever

The mess
As long as the debate is going on the Mustafa Kemal will not be moved. When you in this period change the redirects from articles such as Atatürk, it becomes a dead link. You did 17 such edits this night, which all now are dead links. Honestly, I am a bit fed up cleaning your mess. So would you please restore the links as a matter of showing respect to Mustafa Kemal. Bertilvidet 12:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * When I made those edits, the page was already moved to "Mustafa Kema Atatürk" by someone else, I just fixed the dead links and double referrals accordingly; but then somebody else re-moved it back against the will of the sensible majority which then created "the mess" you're talking about. Simply moving the article back to "Mustafa Kemal Atatürk" will remove all dead links and double redirects, it's this simple. His name is not a disputed issue and the majority agreed upon the move to be made, it is your turn to respect the decision. I still don't understand what would you ever gain by insisting on the mistake of referring to him with half of his name despite the consensus! Kertenkelebek 12:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * As you might have noticed, I have changed my vote. I really dont care if the "Mustafa Kemal Atatürk" or "Kemal Atatürk". However, let's be patient and wait until the vote is over before we make any moves. Bertilvidet 13:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Gökçeada&Bozcaada
İsim değişikliği başvurusunu siz yaptınız. Oylaması sürüyor.  Cretanforever

Talk:Kemal Atatürk
Please do not remove comments from others on talk pages as you did here - users have as much right to voice their opinion as you do. It is considered vandalism, and is a blockable offence. Good luck editing! Ian ¹³ /t  19:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm giving you one last chance to stop removing other peoples comments from Talk:Kemal Ataturk. The next time you do it, I will block you. - FrancisTyers · 10:35, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid Article 301 does not apply on Wikipedia, and I thank you for not removing another persons comments. If you had wanted him to tone them down, you should ask him. Or request a non-partisan observer to edit them. Do not remove comments of people you are debating with. - FrancisTyers · 12:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * According to policy, Wikipedia is not censored, so you'll have to ignore the incompatible guideline, and take advantage of the fact that you can reply with comments of a similar nature. --Tēlex 12:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, I reverted your deletion of a comment. I do not endorse the comment, but opinions should be met with arguments and not simply deleted. Bertilvidet 13:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Cyprus
Northern Cyprus is no more a state than Nagorno-Karabakh, or Transnistria. All are regions which were taken with military might from their lawful owners, ostensibly to protect the population from oppression. All of them have contacts with the outside world. This does not make them internationally recognized states, though. Take a good read of Northern_Cyprus: with the exception of the occupier, Turkey, no country in the world recognises Northern Cyprus as an independent state. Please stop adding it to the List of sovereign states article. -- Jordi&middot; ✆ 11:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Kemal Atatürk
I think you should stop the nationalist bickering with NikoSilver at Talk:Kemal Atatürk. It's a shame really, especially considering that neither Greeks nor Turks have clean hands when it comes to that war (and I think you both know that, and it makes the whole affair rather hypocritical). May I direct you to the User:Michalis Famelis/Greek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation - I know it seems rather silly, but if Greeks and Turks are going to be editing the same articles, then they should at least not expect the worse from each other. --Tēlex 14:13, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I thank Telex for his attempt to bring a compromise between us. Indeed, I believe the hands of both sides are not clean. We needn't push this further for the interest of both of us. For what it's worth, I still believe Kemal was a very wise man and I still almost envy you for having him. Anything else is redundant. I propose we remove both our comments from the inflamatory Greek quote and on. Agree? :N i k o S il v e r:  12:33, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Turkey is described as a "beast" by leading Greek columnist
I want to draw your attention to a very agressive article just published by the Greek broadsheet Kathimerini in which Turkey is described as a "beast". Come round to User_talk:Apostolos_Margaritis to read it. Maybe you should inform other Turkish or Turkophile users of wikipedia about this quite outrageous -in my opinion- stuff. 15:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)Apostolos Margaritis 15:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * If you look at it carefully, it's a figure of speech. --Tēlex 16:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Gökçeada and Bozcaada
Hi,

I have seen the new evidence contributed by DeliDumrul; it contradicts the evidence by Septentrionalis (in the previous move discussion) and Telex. When there is conflicting evidence, all participants in the debate should make their own decision, and a majority of the people in the debate were convinced by the evidence that supported the current name. I will not reopen the debate; I will also not change my decision.

DeliDumrul posted his info after I had closed the debate. If you want that information to be included in the decision, you may have to open a whole new move discussion. Before you do that, however, I'll advise you to ask the voters, especially the opposers, if that information would change their position. If they are not convinced, repeating the exercise will have the same result (no consensus to move), except that you will annoy other editors, which is never wise.

As for your suggestion that I ignore the opinion of the opposing editors: I will not. I recognize several of their names from other move discussions; I have no reason to believe that reason (d) (anti-Turkish sentiments) holds for them. They are long-time wikipedians who have contributed to the discussions about the naming conventions; which contradicts your reason (c) (unfamiliarity with Wikipedia naming conventions). Also, I have not noticed any such unfamiliarity in their reasoning, which was based on naming conventions such as "Use English". The reasons (a) and (b) are personal attacks; using these as arguments seriously weakens your case; even if there was any reason to believe they were true. If I were you, I would remove them, and rephrase your comment on Talk:Imbros and Tenedos in a more polite tone. -- Eugène van der Pijll 12:58, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Would you inform the past voters about the external web pages I put down or should i do it? I, too, think you should rephrase your last edit on the talk page. It doesn't help anything but hurt the credibility of the facts you present and make the people new to the subject tend towards opposing ideas. I truly understand your reaction as these stupid things put in wikipedia, trying to bend the truth, drive me crazy as much. My best, DeliDumrul 16:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Millet ne mal oldugumuzu bilsin diye. :) DeliDumrul 18:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

By the way what the heck is going on inside the article??? There are couple of statements starting with In all likelihood or other phrases like makes any other conclusion unlikely, government implemented a policy of intimidation, thus it can be said that the Turkish policies have been successful. Furthermore there are no citations at all. This is nothing but POV, I guess the best cover up explanation would be original research which needs to be deleted anyways. However, first the names should be cleaned up. DeliDumrul 18:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I just checked your user page. I know people from METU-AE, do you have a mail address so I can pass them (or mail me through wikipedia)? DeliDumrul 23:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Check out Porfyrios' edits on Gokceada and Bozcaada. I think he did a good job but not enough. Also see my comments on the discussion page. DeliDumrul 14:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

1922 İzmir Yangını
Great Fire of Smyrna sayfasında ne yapmak istediğinizi anlamadım. Bir tahmin yürütüyorum ama ifadelik kıvamda değil. There's no point in putting the text of Mustafa Kemal's telegrame. Very few people here (and fewer still among those who will consult the page) are sufficiently equipped to interpret it. They won't even know what 17.9.38 is. The way I see it, such bulks of incongruous info will now be used to erode any angle that doesn't suit a commonly stylized outlook. I will only change "his" to "her" in referring to Marjorie Housepian and I won't touch the rest. It can be re-written anytime anyway and I don't think I will contribute more here. If you are interested, here is a genuine absurdity that may require your astute attention and ample energies. User:Cretanforever

Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922)
Thanks for drawing my attention to the subject. The aim should be presenting unbiased information with right resources, without POV, let's see what's the case. Kültigin (talk) 10:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I've read both of the articles, seems your version is the most comprehensive one and neutral enough, I'll stick with that. BTW I've also noticed some other articles that need attention to be improved, mind if I help? Kültigin (talk) 10:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

son mesajina binaen dogruluk tag'ini kaldirayim mi bilader? DeliDumrul 12:56, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Şu anda sayfa istediğimiz gibi sanırım. Tekrar bir sorun olursa, lütfen beni haberdar edin. Saygılar. Doluca 10:58, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Mesajınızı aldım, sayfada bazı düzenlemeler yaptım. İzlemeye alıyorum. Filanca 14:13, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Yaptığım tüm düzenlemeleri geri almışlardı. Kaynak göstererek yeniden yaptım. Bu arada Rumca kaynak kullanmaktan çekinmemişler, ben de Türkçe kullanıyorum. :) Bu maddeyi takip etmek isteyecek başka tarih meraklıları da bulabilir miyiz? Yararlı olur. Filanca 22:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi
can you please provide an email adress for future cooperations? Actually I hate people who have higher Iq than me but anyway...neurobio 13:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at this, it will be nice if you can vote

İlham Əliyev
Hi,

This is a message I try to send to every Turkish native speaker about a dispute I have on Wikipedia about the spelling of Azerbaijani proper names. In this dispute, some people find unbearable that the President of Azerbaijan is spelled "İlham Əliyev". Their argument is that "Ə" is not an English letter, so Azerbaijani language doesn't use the Latin alphabet and so the article can't be named with such a spelling. And they propose to rename this article into "Ilham Aliyev" (note they don't propose to rename it into "İlham Aliyev", nor into "İlham Äliyev").

I'm strongly against the move, because either it means every foreign names with diacritics or special letters must have a name with only the 26 letters of the English alphabet (ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ) and such articles as "Charlotte Brontë", "Leoš Janáček", "İsmet İnönü" or "Derviş Eroğlu" must be renamed "Charlotte Bronte", "Leos Janacek", "Ismet Inonu" and "Dervis Eroglu", or even "Dervish Eroghlu" ; or it means only Azerbaijani names are concerned and it is a move specifically against Azerbaijani names, because Azerbaijani doesn't use the Latin alphabet.

If you have an opinion about it, you can vote and read the arguments on Talk:İlham_Əliyev. I thank you in advance. Švitrigaila 00:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism?
It is not vandalism to remove spam messeages from people's talk pages. I understand that you may well disagree with the way I delt with the spam but to accuse me of vandalism is beyond the pale. You've been hear how long? A couple of months? Perhaps you might consider that I have more experience of these sort of things than you, have seen people try to win arguments before by spamming people who they feel may agree with their position, have seen votes ignored by the rest of the community because they were solicited in this way, have seen huge userbox wars where userboxes have been mass deleted by admins who wanted to stop exactly this kind of spam and then resoted by other admins who disagree that this was the best approach after a massive outcry by the userbox displaying newbies who objected to their babies being deleted. Disagree with me, argue with me, shout at me if you like, but dont you dare accuse me of vandalism! I've delt with more vandals than you've had hot dinners mate. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 20:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

İzmir burning
If you want to contribute to an article, do so without having to add your original research neither selectivally deleting sourced informations. Consider that other users who have added them are using their valuable time to contribute in a project that doesn't give them the slightest monatary insitative. When I add informations and relevant materials in an article, I don't like them to be removed without proper discussion, neither do I like witnissing the article in which I have contributed has lost any encyclopedic value. Don't take this as an accusation, but a friendly Stop deleting resources warning. Truly yours. Fad (ix) 21:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, but how your working on it justify deletion? Fad (ix) 15:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Gelmek
Oy!

157 IQ'lu dostuma
Kertenkelebek, bir ODTU Elektrik-Mezunu olarak, sayfani gordum ve cok guldum. Bence IQ'un 157 olsa bile sen onu oyle yazma... Sahi, Einstein'in kacti IQ'su ? IQ'su bu kadar yuksek olan bir insan bunun gercekten bakanlara komik gorunecegini tahmin ederdi herhalde. Ayrica -native-'in de uzerinde yaptigin professional level of english mukemmel dogrusu. Insanin aklina neden IQ'su 157 olan bir insan OSS'de sicar da ODTÜ Havaciliga talip olur geliyor dogrusu. Dostum ucuyorsun, biraz yere insen iyi olur. Komik oluyor, iyiligin icin soyluyorum --128.211.201.37 22:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Ne yazık ki bir kişisel sayfan dahi olmadığından cevabımı buraya yazmak zorunda kalıyorum ama her ne kadar büyük ihtimalle sayfamı tekrar ziyaret edip okuma zahmetine katlanmayacaksan da belki okuyanlara ibret teşkil eder diye teselli buluyorum. Sayfaya IQ yazmış olmamın amacı zaten insanların yüzünde en azından bir tebessüm bırkamak, orada bir ciddiyet zaten söz konusu değil bu bir. Professional level of english olarak sayfada kullandığım hazır bir template ve numarasının native'den yüksek oluşu daha üstün bir mertebede olduğu anlamına da gelmiyor. Benim tek yaptığım benden önce başka birileri tarafından oluşturulmuş bu template'i kullanmış olmak ki anlamadan bilmeden fikir sahibi olduğunu zannetmek senin yanlışın bu iki. İnsanların zekalarını kazandığı bölümlere bakarak değerlendirmek kadar yanlış bir bakış açısına sahip bir zeka küpüne niçin cevap verdiğimden emin olmamakla birlikte bilgin olsun diye söylüyorum ÖSS'de ilk bin içerisinde yer alan bir öğrenci olarak ODTÜ'nin (Elektrik de dahil) istediğim bölümünde okuma fırsatına sahip olmama rağmen Havacılık ve Uzay Mühendisliği'nde okumuş olmam tamamen benim bilinçli tercihim ve ne kadar doğru bir tercih olduğunu tecrübelerimden görmüş durumdayım. Ne ÖSS'de bir sıçmışlığım söz konusudur, ne de sıçmış olması birinin zeka eksikliğinin göstergesidir, bu da üç. Tabi zamanında hayatı ÖSS olmuş, kişiliğini ancak kazandığı üniversite ile ortaya koyabilen, kendi kariyer alanını dünyanın en üst meslek mertebesi olarak görüp diğerlerini hemen "zorunluluktan talip olunan meslekler" şeklinde aşağılama hakkını kendilerinde bulan insanların bunu anlaması ne kadar zordur ancak tahmin edebiliyorum. Amacım seni kırmak değil ama her ne kadar alaycı bir tavrın varsa da son cümlende iyi niyetini belirtmiş olmasaydın cevabım da çok dah farklı bir üslupta olurdu bunu da bilmeni isterim. Yine de ilgine teşekkürler.  Kerten k e le b e k        Ⓣ 10:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

List of persecuted Turkish writers
The article wasn't deleted, as you may or may not have heard elsewhere, so I'm canvassing opinions for what to rename it to/merge it to on its relevant talk page. All reasonable suggestions will be entertained. BigHaz 10:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair use in templates
Re:. At Wikipedia, we adhere to copyright and trademark law as it is written in the United States. This is because the vast majority of Wikimedia assets are located in that country. Wikipedia policy is written, in so far as it has to do with copyrights, with regards to copyright law in the U.S. Thus, Fair use criteria item #9 applies, and you may not use copyrighted images outside of the main article namespace. If Middle East Technical University wishes to release all rights to the image, they may do so. But, at this time we have no proof of that. If you have any questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. Thanks, --Durin 17:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

ASALA
Did you make the table yourself? Nice work. There are still some parts to be cited though... And where is the information about the bombing in the Orly Airport, the reason why they are also called as "Orly Group"? Kültigin (talk) 13:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Re:
I'll review it in a moment. Also, i'm well aware of 3rr. Thanks anyway. However, it seems that you violated the 3rr and I will promptly report you.--Eupator 16:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You wont be one for long if you keep violating wiki policies. The funniest thing is that you have already been blocked for 3RR once, yet you repeated that offense.--Eupator 17:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was very new to the community back then, I wasn't even aware of the key rules, people learn things. Unlike you however, who are still unaware of what the 3RR stands for. It is there to protect editors from the likes of you.  Kerten k e le b e k        Ⓣ 17:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You're on the verge of violating another wiki rule. Introduce yourself to and consider this your last friendly warning: WP:CIVIL.--Eupator 17:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no time for such nonsense, if you have something to say, say it... I'm here to contribute to Wikipedia not to engage in meaningless chatter with other users. That's the end of it. Period.  Kerten k e le b e k        Ⓣ 17:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: 3RR
Hello Kertenkelebek,

Thank you for taking your time to explain your case to me. I have reviewed the reversions, and while you are correct that two different versions are reverted to, I still stand by the fact that you violated WP:3RR. If you take a look at the detailed description of the 3RR policy, it states that whole or partial reversions both count in the scheme of things. While you reverted to two different versions of the article, they were in large part similar, and you still performed four reversions. I'm sorry that your 24 hour block impeded your work on Wikipedia. Hopefully next time it seems like an edit war is looming, you will take things to the talk page to discuss them first. That is always, always the best solution!

You are correct that users TigranTheGreat and Eupator came very close to also violating 3RR. I've left them both messages alerting them to that fact, and suggesting that they too direct their disagreements to the talk page next time.

I hope you understand my reasonsing. Feel free to ask any more questions that you might have, I will be glad to answer. Good luck editing, and working out the disagreement. -- Nataly a 14:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry that you feel I missed an important point of your thoughts, and I thank you for re-explaining yourself. However, please, try to avoid personal attacks.  Though they were directed at other users, your statements on my talk page were rather harsh; whether or not they are accurate is not for me to judge.  When simple discussion fails you, there are plenty of other options other than re-reverting.  Resolving disputes lists a whole host of ways, from the most informal all the way up to arbitration.  If things are getting out of hand, calling in a third parting, or filing a Request for comment or requesting mediation (from the mediation cabal or the Mediation committee).  When you get frustrated, calling in an outside neutral party is a good thing to do, so as to avoid edit warring.  I hope that you find information that allows you to take the step you feel most appropriate, if you have any questions about dispute resolution you are welcome to ask. -- Nataly a  21:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

blanking on your userpage
Hello Kertenkelebek. I reverted an edit to your userpage made by an anonomymous user, as the edit consisted of blanking of large parts. I assume it is vandalism, and thus reacted by reverting. I beg for your apologies in the case that you endorse the edit. Bertilvidet 09:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

MKA
Please take a look Talk:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Regards. Must TC 20:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

VikiProje Türkiye'ye davet / Invitation to join WikiProject Turkey

Imbros Move to Gokceada
I see that you've participated in such a vote before. So I'm informing you of a new move request here: Please go to the bottom of the page. TheDarkLordSeth (talk) 07:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)