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Reply to your Articles for Creation Help Desk question
Hello, Keshakoko1! I'm Primefac. I have replied to your question about a submission at the WikiProject Articles for Creation Help Desk. Primefac (talk) 20:15, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Reply to your Articles for Creation Help Desk question
Hello, Keshakoko1! I'm Timtrent. I have replied to your question about a submission at the WikiProject Articles for Creation Help Desk. Fiddle  Faddle  18:10, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Larry Geller has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Larry Geller. Thanks! Fiddle  Faddle  18:14, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Talkback
Fiddle  Faddle  18:26, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 18:42, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Please do not paste draft articles onto my talk page
I will help you, but you must use the steps I have given you. These are in my last message to you on my talk page.

I will help you if you work through those steps. I will not help you if you do not follow them.

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I have deleted the material from my talk page. I do not want it there and will not work with it there. My way or no way, please. Fiddle  Faddle  19:21, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Talkback
Fiddle  Faddle  20:04, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Larry Geller has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Larry Geller. Thanks! Fiddle  Faddle  13:22, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Help me!
HELP! I want to make a simple DELETION of my draft article on Larry Geller. Nothing is easy in this site. What a simple question and would take two seconds to delete in all other sites takes you hours to sift through all the write-ups to figure out how to delete. PLEASE HELP and please make it in laymen's terms. I always get these guys who get a kick out of talking another language and want to make it more difficult. I thought HELP is suppose to help rather making it more frustrating. Please help. Thanks!

Please help me with...

Chris Coffey 18:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi. User has just deleted your draft. In the future, you can tag it with  . Happy editing!  Kharkiv07  ( T ) 20:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Talkback
—  Jeff G. ツ (talk)   13:31, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

howdy
Hello Chris -- I might be able to help out here, with the Larry Geller article. Wikipedia is kind of like another planet, right? :-)    Lots of strange people speaking a strange wiki-jargon.  I did some work looking for references, and there are probably enough to get the article reviewed and accepted.  However, somebody has to do the work, to write the article.  And in particular, to write it with each sentence having a footnote-reference.  Usually, the best advice is exactly the advice that FiddleFaddle (also known as User:Timtrent) was trying to give you:  learn how to do that work yourself, with guidance from a more experienced wikipedian like Tim, and then do that work.

But from your distressed tone, I get the idea that you were hoping you had done enough work already, and are wanting somebody else to shoulder the rest of the job. Take over writing the article for you. Take over making the books and such that you provided as references, be properly formatted. Take over making sure the article complies with all the bazillion wiki-laws and wiki-rules and wiki-this and wiki-that. If that is the case, please say so. :-)     There are a couple of ways to seek help from other folks that might want to write an Elvis-related article, starting from the groundwork you have already done.  Finding such a person is not guaranteed, but we can try that route, if you personally have little interest in becoming a long-term wikipedian, yourself, and learning how to work on wikipedia articles more deeply.

In any case, I'm happy to try and help you out, and it looks like Tim and Jeff are also trying hard to help. You can leave me a note on my user-talk-page if you like, about how you want to proceed, just click 'talk' in my signature, click 'new section' at the top, leave me a note, and click 'save'. Thanks for the work you have put into this, sorry everything is complicated and takes forever, but as you can probably understand, there are a LOT of people trying to get their name into wikipedia (or their boss/friend/relative/etc), so there is some method to the madness. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 10:48, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

recent efforts
Chris, you can see what is happening, if you click on Draft:Larry_Geller, and then click 'view history' at the top. That tells you what users changed things, and when. See WP:HISTORY for the helper-documentation.

Here are most of the changes for November, in reverse-chronological order, which I've copied here for your convenience:


 * (cur | prev) 06:40, 16 November 2015‎ Jeff G. (talk | contribs)‎ . . (14,880 bytes) (+14,868)‎ . . (rescued from my web browser) (undo)
 * (cur | prev) 19:23, 13 November 2015‎ Keshakoko1 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (42 bytes) (-14,838)‎ . . (Delete Draft and Sandbox - this was NEVER accepted so no one contributed (unless someone from Wikipedia did)? Do I need to create new account and start over under different name to get this through? Simple question of how to delete this? Thanks!) (undo)
 * (cur | prev) 19:11, 13 November 2015‎ Timtrent (talk | contribs)‎ . . (14,880 bytes) (+14,880)‎ . . (Undid revision 690493054 by Keshakoko1 (talk) You may not blank this. Others have contributed) (undo)
 * (cur | prev) 19:03, 13 November 2015‎ Keshakoko1 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (empty) (-14,880)‎ . . (Deleting whole article) (undo)
 * (cur | prev) 04:16, 13 November 2015‎ Jeff G. (talk | contribs)‎ . . (14,880 bytes) (+194)‎ . . (moved EL down; added cats) (undo)
 * (cur | prev) 03:52, 13 November 2015‎ Jeff G. (talk | contribs)‎ . . (14,686 bytes) (+65)‎ . . (→‎Additional viewing: http://www.amazon.com/Elvis-Presley-Last-24-Hours/dp/B000PKG9B4/) (undo)
 * 8 more edits by Jeff, snipped
 * (cur | prev) 13:44, 12 November 2015‎ Jeff G. (talk | contribs)‎ . . (11,148 bytes) (+507)‎ . . (c/e, w) (undo)
 * (cur | prev) 13:22, 12 November 2015‎ Timtrent (talk | contribs)‎ . . (10,641 bytes) (+268)‎ . . (Commenting on submission (AFCH 0.9)) (undo)
 * (cur | prev) 13:11, 12 November 2015‎ Jeff G. (talk | contribs)‎ . . (10,373 bytes) (+1,720)‎ . . (→‎External links: expanded) (undo)
 * (cur | prev) 08:42, 12 November 2015‎ 75.108.94.227 (talk)‎ . . (8,653 bytes) (-203)‎ . . (remove some copyvio, the facts can be added back, but cannot be copy-n-pasted from other websites (even defunct ones). pointer to previously-deleted article. very likely passes GNG, suggest mainspace, will leave more sources on draft_talk) (undo)
 * (cur | prev) 18:14, 10 November 2015‎ Timtrent (talk | contribs)‎ . . (8,856 bytes) (+1,318)‎ . . (Commenting on submission (AFCH 0.9)) (undo)

As you can see, User:Jeff_G. has been working hard on the draft-article, trying to help out. I have been working on digging up some sources, and will retrieve them soon. You are free to help, or just watch Jeff go to work. It takes awhile to learn the complex system wikipedia has, but you're getting there. :-)     75.108.94.227 (talk) 22:54, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I got an admin to give back the sources you contributed to Draft talk:Larry Geller,  —  Jeff G. ツ  (talk)   14:23, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Nice work Jeff, appreciated. I will leave some further answers for Chris, at the link below.  p.s.  Also, ping User:Timtrent to keep them in the loop, if they wish to join the fun. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 20:47, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

answers as of November 18th
Hi Chris, I have replied to your questions (most of them), over here -- User_talk:Jeff_G. -- on the usertalkpage of Jeff. You can ask further questions, also on that same User_talk:Jeff_G. page, by clicking the 'new section' button on the top righthand corner of *that* page. Everything is getting worked out now, just bear with us. :-)        75.108.94.227 (talk) 20:47, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 20:51, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Talkback
I have left you a two part message there. The first part is more useful to you than the second. The last para of the second is a para I would like you to read, though, please Fiddle   Faddle  21:54, 28 November 2015 (UTC)


 * And another reply Fiddle   Faddle  23:05, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Google, Yahoo, Bing etc
Hi Chris,

Search engines work in mysterious ways. As one of the top global sites they do pay Wikipedia special attention, but no-one can quite predict how or when they index the site. They don't "publish articles" exactly, What they do is examine sites worldwide and create a searchable index.

All web sites, and Wikipedia is no exception, await the largesse of the search engine companies and site owners are sometimes surprised by being indexed almost at once, and, at other times, frustrated by a particular page not being indexed at all. Small webmasters, the total amateurs, are perplexed about this. Good webmasters create what is known as a sitemap, a file or set of files, that are submitted to search engines regularly. Wikipedia does this.

Even so, Wikipedia is in the hands of the external companies who operate search engines. Having a sitemap notified to them is not the sae as their acting upon it, as we have found with Larry Geller. The thing, though, is that we do not create Wikipedia articles for search engines. We create them as a hobby, and for the benefit of those who come to Wikipedia and look for the Larry Gellers of this world. I saw your question to and decided to come over here to try to answer it.

I'm surprised that (eg) Google has not yet picked up the article, but it is just surprise. It's not particularly special because their lack of picking up every page on every web site is known to all serious webmasters, though not to ordinary folk. I am surprised only because Wikipedia seems to have more pages indexed than almost any other web site. One day Larry Geller's Wikipedia article will be picked up, probably. It seems just not to be today.

We may be able to influence that. I've asked Jeff if they will consider submitting a WP:DYK for the article, something I can do, but, because of their work I;d very much like them to receive credit. I'd ask you to do it, but I suspect your Wikipedia skill set is not sufficiently broad, yet, to accomplish it. That is not meant to sound patronising, but I can see that it could be interpreted thus. The area is arcane in the extreme and most new editors would run a mile from it.

You seem disappointed about search engines. Instead, rejoice that the article is up and that this is down to your original work. Fiddle  Faddle  10:08, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

congratulations Chris
On completing your first article! :-)     Nice work.

You recently updated the article, to show Geller's current residence. However, because wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it should record the history, as well.

Here is what Jeff wrote at first:



Here is your change that you made:



Here is my change to that same sentence:



The historical stuff was retained, but I also kept the Sedona fact you were adding. One subtle bit: notice that I put the Sedona part *after* the reference, because unless the website being referenced has *changed* it is important not to add new information as if that new information came from the website. Make sense? 75.108.94.227 (talk) 00:39, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure who is sending me this message? I have a question of why I can't delete the reference to Stevie and keep as I put it - is this because of reference in Elvis and Me?  If you want dates for that, it was 1963-1972.  If so, we should include Larry's marriage to Shira since 1995.  If it needs to be referenced in different format we should include married to Shira 1995 - present.  They live in Sedona, AZ (not Los Angeles).  Please let me know if we can leave as I changed and saved it earlier today.  Thanks!
 * Chris
 * Chris Coffey 01:22, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Chris, you can call me 75.108, that's my slightly-strange wikipedia name. I helped Jeff a bit, with digging up some books.google.com URLs about Larry Geller.  I'm also the one that wrote the silly poem for TimTrent.  The mention of the first marriage, should stay in, because of the referenced to Elvis and Me, exactly correct.  Deleting sources is frowned upon, when they are newspapers / books / magazines / television / academia / governmental, because those sources are considered wiki-reliable and listed at WP:SOURCES.  Now, what you WILL see is that often "sources" like facebook / twitter / youtube / imdb / forums / blogs very much are often deleted, since with rare exceptions those are *not* counted as wiki-reliable, for the encyclopedia.
 * Thanks for coming up with the years, that helps. So then, the question is, what should we write, to talk about these new fact in a boring neutral just-the-facts tone?  I suggest this:




 * Does that look accurate and complete? I found a JCSVV newsletter that shows their new location; it would not normally be considered a WP:SOURCE, but for a basic factoid like the city Geller lives in, is okay.  Thanks, 75.108.94.227 (talk) 02:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi again Chris, apparently Jeff_G. is spying on us! :-)       They have made some edits which add a couple sources, and re-worked hte marriage-sentence again.  Click here to see what they did, or you can click on Larry_Geller then click on 'view history' near the top to see the recent changes (click 'prev' next to a change to see the WP:DIFF information).  Thanks Jeff for keeping up the good work.  However, just so Chris begins to understand how wikipedia works, I will point out here, that just because Jeff made some edit, doesn't mean that is the end of the discussion.  Chris, you are free to propose a different way to word the paragraph in question, or to further discuss whether your first edit is preferable for whatever reason(s).  Or if you like the way Jeff did it, you can say so.
 * p.s. And actually, Jeff dared to change something that *I* wrote!  :-)      Apparently travelling is not USA-language, whereas traveling is USA-compliant?  Jeff, Firefox (en-US config) disagrees with you, the spellchecker gives a red-underline for the traveling-spelling.  Are you sure travelling is incorrect, and traveling is correct?  traveling and travelling, for example, versus Merriam Webster.  75.108.94.227 (talk) 12:59, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am quite sure. traveling says "travelling (Commonwealth)" under "Alternative forms" and travelling says "traveling (US)" under "Alternative forms". Geller worked most of his life in the US, so the article should use the US spelling with one instance of lowercase "L" rather than the British Commonwealth spelling with two instances of lowercase "L". My Google Chrome Version 46.0.2490.86 m is fine with both spellings. I don't know what your Firefox's problem is. Also, for future reference, I am male, and I prefer the personal pronoun "he" to "they".  —  Jeff G. ツ  (talk)   16:37, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I read the wiktionary that I linked unto, but as you know, since it is anyone-can-edit, it conceivably might not be wiki-reliable! :-)      M-W.com lists both forms but is silent on which is preferred, though it implies the singular-L-form is more normal in USA-lang by listing it first.  Speaking of singular-they, by long-standing habit I tend to use that style, since for instance Chris turned out to be she, and Lady Catherine De Burgh turned out to be he, among other folks I've run across recently... singular they is a reasonably compromise that keeps me from needing to guess, though it very much also is an *annoying* compromise, to some people's wiki-ears, so I'll try to make an exception that Jeff_G. is henceforth grammatically homme when referenced in the second person.  :-)      p.s.  Somebody recently caught me spelling candidate as 'candiddate' ... wish I could find a way to blame THAT on firefox!  Feel free to trout when needed, if spelling mistakes slip by myself and firefox, or if I lapse back into singular-they.  Best, 75.108.94.227 (talk) 17:50, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Looks ok
Looks ok and thanks.....thanks also to Jeff G. I appreciate it! I assume it's ok now and no more edits left to do? Thanks!

Chris Chris Coffey 15:19, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Chris, the Larry Geller article is officially in Wikipedia mainspace, and it is definitely okay. There are, however, always more edits remaining to be done... if new WP:SOURCES are found, including refs that have not yet been written as of 2015, they can of course be used to expand the article.  If mistakes are noticed, they can be corrected.  Wikipedia is inherently WP:NOTFINISHED.
 * But yes, everything is green-across-the-board, with *that* article. It might help if there was some work done on the Memphis Mafia article, to show the connection between Geller and the other folks who knew Elvis.  There are also articles which mention Larry Geller but only say "Larry Geller" (black text) which should be wikilinked to Larry Geller (blue text), now that the dedicated Larry Geller article finally exists.  Here are some of the other articles wikipedia has:


 * In any case, you can definitely mark down this 2015 adventure in adding your first article to wikipedia, as a success. :-)      If you get interested, and want to help out further, feel free to be WP:BOLD and work on some other articles, new ones or existing ones (for instance see WP:ELVIS); whatever takes your fancy.  75.108.94.227 (talk) 18:04, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Nothing to do on Larry Geller now
But have a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Larry Geller which may get the article 15 minutes (well, 12 hours) of fame on the Wikipedia Main Page. Nothing for you to do there, either. It's an arcane process best left to the cognoscenti. I sometimes venture there, but with some trepidation. Have a look at the main page to see how "Did you know?" is presented in general. Fiddle  Faddle  19:51, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Larry Geller
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 1 January 2016 (UTC)