User talk:Kevin McE/Archives/2017

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Re: UAD
Long time no speak, Kevin. Hope all is well with you. In regards to the suffixes; as far as I am aware, the issue with the template created by Sander.v.Ginkel in March 2015 appears to be the inability for suffixes to be used. I know and  (shall ping for further words) had voiced their concerns on teamlist talkpage, but I don't think anything had resulted further from this. The suffixes in the ct templates predate my involvement in such templating, but I do see from the Cannondale ct page history when it was created in 2009 by Theilert, there was no blank line. Only "a" and "b". I think it may have been deemed duplication especially with the active current name at the top of the ct; that's how I have always interpreted since I've started updating such templates.  Craig (talk)  21:57, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Fine thanks, but probably better for spending less time on Wiki.
 * I was halfway through putting a message on the Cycling Project talkpage about the problem of cyclingteamlist when I realised you had solved it. Maybe we should move the discussion there to widen it.
 * I would consider duplication to be a very minor drawback, compared to the expectation that every editor using the UAD template for the rest of the year remember the short lived Abu Dhabi name. Kevin McE (talk) 22:23, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Good to hear. I must admit, I have been trying to wean my way off here, but the Wikidata debate fuelled a lot of fire to me, so I have been picking it up again ever so slightly. Who knows what may occur in the coming months though - but as you say, it may be for the best for spending less time on here.
 * It had only came to my light, with the ongoing review in Sander's articles - mainly stub creations, that are undergoing a community review, that several members of the Cycling project have been looking into. While looking through the archives for the above discussion, I have noted previous discussions about the cyclingteamlist template, and also the suffixes here between September 2015 and January 2016 and also here in July 2016.  Craig (talk)  22:53, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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Advice
Got a warning I'll be banned for putting the fact that Rob Young was determined by the report to have tried to hide his data and was proven to have cheated. How the hell do you get the actual report linked without this fella banning Woodywing (talk) 15:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Woodywing, I have a name. Again I'm telling you to read the policy at WP:BLP since you don't seem to get it yet. I told you, at Talk:Robert_Young_(endurance_runner), that it's the tone of your edit. Mind you, that policy applies throughout Wikipedia: on talk pages too. Drmies (talk) 20:12, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Drmies (he has a name, apparently, but hides behind a pseudonym here) seems to have serious wp:own issues (he is willing to admit that the biography might not be true, but not to let me remove it, and is defensive of what he himself describes as "the Worst Stub In History"), and very little experience of the subject. He seems to believe that Wikipedia serves its readers by appearing naive.  Kevin McE (talk) 06:27, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement
Kevin McE, I have tried to explain to you how important a policy the BLP is, but it seems to have made little impression on you. Please see the arbitration request I filed against you. Thank you, and I wish it didn't have to come to this. Drmies (talk) 02:28, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Don't bother to respond to this as I won't see it for a couple of weeks. I've ummed and ahed about weighing in on the AE report but decided not to because I won't be able to respond further. However, I want to give you some advice. Going to the BLPN noticeboard to make gross BLP violations ("serial liar") is not a clever way of making yourself popular, either there or at AE. Quite a bit of what you wrote there appears to me to be trying to insinuate that Drmies is another in a line of socks on the Robert Young article; whether that's what you intended or not, it's how it read to me. Drmies is one of our more active admins (I started looking through his logs to see how long he's been an admin, but got bored when a few thousand admin actions only got me to the start of the year), not a sock trying to recreate a crap article. Treating him as though he is such is, again, not a clever way to make friends at AE. Your comments on the article talk seem to be almost willfully misunderstanding WP:RS. As the "anonymous admin" who initially thought you maybe kinda had a point and pestered Drmies about it, I came into this dispute thinking Drmies had got the wrong end of the stick and asked him to reconsider and drop things at AE. But you're fast losing my support here. In fact, if it'd been me that saw your comments at BLPN today, I'd have just blocked you for it.

So here's my advice: Tone it down. Work civilly and collegially with other editors to improve the encyclopaedia. Don't make gross BLP violations on talk pages or in edit summaries. Make a statement at AE that commits to working with other editors and tries to conciliate and resolve the conflict rather than exacerbate it.

As with all my advice so freely given, you're absolutely free to ignore it. I am in the happy position that this is almost certainly my last edit before a break of a week and a bit so whatever you decide to do, it will not be my problem. However, if you ignore it, I will not be answerable for the consequences. Please accept that it is advice given in a spirit of good will and with the intention of helping you to avoid sanctions at AE and the Robert Young article to come to a satisfactory state. GoldenRing (talk) 18:35, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * He made some pretty reprehensible accusations against me: that set the tone. I have absolutely no intention of suggesting that Drmies is another in that series of sockpuppets, nor am I sure how anything I said looked as if I was saying that.  It is simply unfortunate the Drmies seems determined to ignore what we can learn about someone from them. Kevin McE (talk) 19:08, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The request for Arbitration enforcement has been closed. Please read the advice given in the Result section. In particular, if you make more edit summaries such as "What a proven liar tells a journalist is not necessarily true" you are risking a block under our WP:BLP policy. You are on safer ground if you stop editing this article, though you can still contribute on the talk page. It is possible that someone will nominate the article Robert Young (endurance runner) for deletion, which would reduce the risk of BLP problems. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 02:38, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

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I resent your calling my summaries amateur. I worked media for the IAAF for the better part of two decades. This is not COI, I am not working for them now, but I know what I'm doing. Trackinfo (talk) 19:21, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


 * In terms of writing in an encyclopaedic tone, I really don't think that you do. If you have been paid for journalism, I apologise for calling it amateur (although technically, if you are not being paid for writing on Wikipedia...), but this is not the place for such prose and cliché.  A journalistic style is not appropriate in an encyclopaedia.  Kevin McE (talk) 19:30, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * In your zeal to remove the color from my prose, you are removing a great deal of information--actual content as well as making mistakes. You too need a great deal of coaching in your writing style. Trackinfo (talk) 20:29, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * This is not the place for detailed sports reports: that is not the function of an encyclopaedia, so much of the detail you wnt to include is redundant to the purposes of this publication. If you want to submit something to Bleacher reports or similar, that is a more suitable destination for your wish to give detailed reports on an event.  Kevin McE (talk) 21:31, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

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List of Presidents of the Generalitat de Catalunya
Obviously, we have to agree that we disagree when it comes to the color issue. You are saying they are "unkeyed", and asking for a "key" to be provided in order to reinstate the colors. Please be more specific, what do you mean by "key"? I am afraid that I don't understand you. --Sundostund (talk) 02:07, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I think it wouldn't harm you if you show some more politeness in your behavior and responses. I didn't engage in an edit war with you - after just a few edits, I started a discussion with you on your talk page in order to solve this issue. I don't find edit war OK in any situation, and it is quite strange that you think its OK to engage in edit warring after some sort of "education over the terms of the disagreement", according to your response on my talk page.


 * Anyway, it would be more productive to solve the issue in question. If I understood you correctly, you want some sort of explanation/guide regarding the colors, and with it you would accept to have the colors reinstated as part of the article, right? No problem - please be more specific about what kind of explanation/guide you want, and I would be happy to add it to the article, and to reinstate the colors afterwards. --Sundostund (talk) 15:34, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * eg, from your own recent contribution history, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_Prime_Minister_of_Croatia#List_of_Deputy_Prime_Ministers Kevin McE (talk) 12:48, 28 October 2017 (UTC)


 * So, if I add the "Parties" key, as it exist in the Croatian article (or in some similar way), you will accept the restoration of colors in the Catalan article? If your answer is yes, I can only say - wonderful! There would be absolutely no problem to do that. I just want your confirmation of this. --Sundostund (talk) 16:01, 28 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Of course. There is no objection to the use of colours if they mean something, and that meaning is made clear to the reader.  Otherwise it is just pointless decoration.  It is all in the MoS. Kevin McE (talk) 16:10, 28 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I added the key you wanted, and I hope you like it. If you want some changes to it, I'm sure it will be possible to do that. --Sundostund (talk) 17:42, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

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If the song isn't about the Gold Rush, then that speculation should be removed from the lede paragraph. Cheers. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 23:18, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

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