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It looks like you've been around for quite a while and have learned how to operate on Wikipedia, but I noticed that you didn't have anything of your Talk page, so I figured a Welcome was in order. Thanks for the grammar neatening at Kilogram. Enuja 18:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

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You'll have to read the discussion and consensus regarding the band. The NWOBHM era was from 79-82. JP had a thriving career as an international touring act long before that. Your personal opinion is respected. But Wikipedia is built on discussion and consensus. See WP:CON. Hope that helps your misunderstanding. The Real Libs-speak politely 15:39, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

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That's fine but then they should be listed as an influence, like Budgie. Oh and was it January 1979 or December? Would something in January 1983 not qualify then?

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After reading the NBWOHM discussion page, I see that my initial assesment of the situation was absolutely correct. You have a personal vendetta, (you said it really irriates you) and will continue to grind this axe until eveyone gives up. There is no consensus on that page and there are a tremendous amounts of anonymous posts. Simply put, it is your opinion and you will not listen to anyone else.

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Hello there; I welcome discussion on edits, and I'll make some observations about what I "slashed" from that article, since as you mention it was a few years back and I barely remember it; so I'll look back on the changes I did now.

Your issue is, as you say, is that "the shift to numbers above 30 was a significant change" and you say "When I first read the article, it said that there was no basis for number selection in the NHL and that lower numbers were not more valued. This is untrue to this day."

this is a history of the article; what it looked like before I edited it is on the left, and what it looked like after I edited it is on the right. The article, after I edited it, read "Historically, in the National Hockey League, starting goaltenders wore #1, and the rest of the starting players wore low numbers (generally 2-30). In recent years, it has become more common for players to wear numbers in the 30s, an 40s and 50s."

I feel like this agrees with what you are saying. I'm very sorry, but I don't see where I deleted ANYTHING to do with the move from wearing under-30 to over-30, and the only mentions about Gretzky and Espo is still there; Hodge wasn't even mentioned in the article when I edited it. I'm not sure what part of my edits you're upset about; maybe you had the wrong editor.

I'm also confused by your statement "so describing how this happened with references is not any more trivial than talking about number of peoples jerseys in general" - the only reference that was there when I edited the article referred to Lemeiux wearing upside down 99 (66). The link is dead now and I can only assume it was dead then which is why I deleted that link.

If you let me know what specific edits bothered you, I can try to address it further... Thanks TheHYPO (talk) 19:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I still find it odd that we're discussing two-year-old edits, but I will try to respond to your points. I"m afraid I still don't understand what your problem is with my edits. Your first post seemed to accuse me of deleting information about how under-30 numbers were typical and how this changed. Even though some of the information I deleted talked about how Gretzky went from 9 to 99 and Espo from 7 to 77, it never once mentioned that this is significant for any reason, such as starting the trend of using numbers over 30. All it is is a trivial story about how Gretzky got his number, which is a fact for his article, not an article on numbers. There was no context given to establish why these events were significant in the NHL. You say "the point of that story was to show the direct link from Esposito's decision to Gatsby's number selection which, because of his eventual stature in the game, sped up the inclusion of non-hockey (as I call them) numbers in the game." - nothing in the portions I deleted talked about "speeding up the inclusion" of anything in the game, which made it trivial. I don't know who Gatsby is and he isn't mentioned in the article at all either as it existed before I edited, or after I edited it (again the link is here as to what I actually deleted.) Maybe other people deleted stuff first that made the content about gretzky and esposito seem trivial when I got there. The fact is that there is not one citation in that section I deleted, so even if it did say "this led to the popularization of numbers over 30 in hockey", that would be one person's opinion without any citation to back it up. I suggest you might want to discuss the article on its own talk page and get other editors to help you work out the information you want to pop back into the article. I'm sure there are people watching that article that would like to discuss it. Cheers - TheHYPO (talk) 19:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Reverted your mistaken addition
I thought I made it better but it looks like I forgot to delete part. It is still poorly written.
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 * You have another reply from me waiting for you on my talk page. Cheers.  Wifione    .......  Leave a message  18:17, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

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