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Nomination of Seed of Andromeda for deletion
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Proposed deletion of 63 Cetus


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NGC 124
What is it? Please make the article clearer. If you look at the other items linked from List of NGC objects (1–1000), they all start "NGC nn is a ...", which is the way to go. Thanks. Pam D  00:46, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

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Changing established date formats
Per MOS:DATEVAR, please do not change a clearly established date format when you add info boxes to articles, as you did with the this edit at Jean Mariette and this edit at François Hédelin, abbé d'Aubignac. Perhaps you don't realize that one can add the option "df=y" to Template:Death date and age to display the day-first date format. --Robert.Allen (talk) 17:06, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

I came to say the same thing: European topics should have day/month/year date format, which you achieve in templates by adding parameter df=y. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No, not necessarily European topics, just ""articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country", and also "If an article has evolved using predominantly one date format, this format should be used throughout the article". Infoboxes generally aren't used in classical music articles so I've reverted your attempts to add them where other established classical music edditors (e.g. Gerda at Jean-Philippe Rameau) haven't intervened already. Infoboxes are actually very controversial on Wikipedia ... there was an arbitration case about them, and many users object to their use for various reasons. Graham 87 03:16, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It is becoming clear that this editor is disruptive, altho in my opinion the user tries to obscure it by intermixing valid edits with subtly invalid ones, such as removing accepted accents and using incorrect date and number formats. The result in any case is that it wastes other editors' time. He has been warned. If it continues, he should be blocked. --Robert.Allen (talk) 06:48, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

More concern about your edits
I've gone and mass-rollbacked almost all your edits because of stuff like this, where you removed a cedilla from a name, and these edits, where you changed meaning. Any more of this and you'll be blocked. Graham 87 04:54, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * And this ... you don't capitalise "von" in a name like that. Detrimental copyediting with misleading edit summaries is not a good mix. Graham 87 05:09, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I took a closer look at your edit to Jean-Philippe Rameau and wholesale-reverted it. You removed spelling-out of numbers in violation of the Manual of Style and also added parents who are not notable in their own terms to the infobox, in violation of the documentaion at Template:Infobox person. If you haven't read and understood the documentation of an infobox, you shouldn't use it. Graham 87 05:36, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

How about we try first to educate a young contributor, before we talk of blocking? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 3 May 2020 (UTC) Trying:
 * 1) Kev, don't put more than one thing in one edit. We are lazy, and will revert all for one thing we dislike.
 * 2) The topic of infoboxes has been discussed controversially, especially for composers of classical music. Instead of long explanations, just read Talk:Mozart. This was written in 2020. Hard to believe but that's the world we are in. There's also Beethoven, a good model which found community consensus, but I advise caution in the field of classical composers, period.
 * 3) If you want to add infoboxes, there's plenty of room: Category:Wikipedia infobox backlog.
 * 4) Keep in mind the thought by one of our greatest editors, Brianboulton: Wikipedia Signpost/2013-07-10/Dispatches. His articles about classical composers often come with an infobox, see Percy Grainger. In a nutshell: keep them concise.

I hope that helps. Needless to say, articles on classical composers I write or expand come with an infobox, such as Dmitri Smirnov. The latest wisdom is "live and let live" (2018), in other words: do articles you create as you please, and leave those that others created alone. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 3 May 2020 (UTC) Trying also some thought for reverters, Graham, Jerome Kohl, others:
 * 1) It would be nice per the "live and let live" (by Voceditenore) to revert only when you were a major contributor to an article, and otherwise try to repair. None of the changes I saw were an imminent danger ;) - Too many details in an infobox? Remove those. Wrong date format? Correct. Wrong names? Correct. I tried, but now you reverted me as well ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I generally live and let live when an established editor who often edits these articles (e.g. yourself) adds an infobox. I do not believe in "live and let live" when relatively inexperienced users who don't understand why classical music articles (and some others) generally don't have infoboxes waltzes in and tries to add one. If we did that, a lot of classical music articles would have infoboxes by fiat, just because we pandered to relatively new users; also see Fait accompli. Graham 87 10:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Graham, firstly. I think your premise is wrong. "classical music articles (and some others) generally don't have infoboxes", - you may mean classical composers when you say "classical music". And even for composers: look at Bach, Handel. Beethoven, Schumann, Reger, Pärt, - to mention only a few big names. I don't think "generally" is true. There is a guideline from 2010 which tries to handle classical composers differently from the rest of creative minds, but it's not binding, and makes little sense (to me) because most of these people were also performers and/or teachers, in other words, persons. So, back to our case, if one of the major contributors to Rameau objects and reverts an addition, fine, but you and I who never edited the article could simply correct. To my understanding, the 2013 (and never changed) arb ruling about "find consensus on each article's talk page" even ended the guideline for classical composers, - all articles were equal under that ruling, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I mean all classical music articles. I don't feel like checking into the history of that guideline but it's been there for a long time, as far as I can remember. In my experience the only classical music articles containing infoboxes I've read on the English Wikipedia are ones that you've had a hand in (either the article or helping create/find consensus for the infobox); I know you mentioned Brianboulton up above, and there are probably other classical music editors who use or used them. I'm not happy about mentioning this because of how much I respect you in general, but I feel the need to point out that there are remedies involving you in the infobox arbitration case, so I don't think you are completely neutral in this. I myself am generally meh about infoboxes; I'm only enforcing guidelines and general practices as I understand them.
 * Graham, if you mean all classical music articles, you are years behind. Nobody has argued about musical compositions or operas in a long time, the last time for the former was beginning of 2018, and opera even before. Completely wrong that it's only "my" articles. The remedies you mention were rescinded in 2015. I'm really tired of it all, do you understand? That arb case was (or should have been) only about opera, and now every opera I care about has an infobox, and not only by me ;) - + musical compositions, + around 200 Bach compositions. - Last word: a guideline is only a guideline, nothing to be "enforced". Please enforce only violations of the Manual od style, and vandalism. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry to see you blocked, Kev. I was never blocked so far, so am not experoenced with the procedure. I don't think you should change whatever was written, but word a new unblock request. If I was you, I'd talk to Graham in prose, below what he said. He's an old good friend of mine, and listens. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Kev, the reason I may be seeming to be hard on you is not just that you're adding infoboxes to classical music articles, but also because, along with your infobox additions to a wide range of pages, you're making disruptive edits (ranging from invalid date format changes to the introduction of spelling errors). You have made so many changes in such a short period of time that the only practical way to deal with them efficiently, as I understand it, is to wholesale revert your edits. If you continue down this road and don't demonstrate that you've read these messages, a block will unfortunately be in order. If you do take this advice on board, you can continue editing and become a more productive member of the Wikipedia community. Graham 87 16:04, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * While I'm here, may I ask why are you making these edits, and how are you figuring out which articles to edit? Graham 87 16:25, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Blocked
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abuse of editing privileges. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Graham 87 17:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Since you have just been revertingedits and not communicating, I had no choice but to block you. Graham 87 17:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Since you have just been revertingedits and not communicating, I had no choice but to block you. Graham 87 17:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The problems were not just with the European pages, they were with all of them; for example, in this edit to Ashikaga Yoshikatsu, you introduced a Manual of Style violation. Your attempted unblock request above didn't work; I'm not going to fix it because that wouldn't be productive for any of us. Graham 87 18:44, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I see that you've figured out how to request an unblock. I'll leave what to do with this request to another admin,now that you've actually succeeded in getting the attention of one. They can feel free to take whatever action they like without consulting me first. Graham 87 05:06, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I've fixed your unblock request. You copy the unblock template to the bottom of the page, not edit it inside the block message, and you don't make duplicate copies of the whole block message. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Talk page access revoked
 Your ability to edit this talk page has been revoked as an administrator has identified your talk page edits as inappropriate and/or disruptive. ([ block log] • [ active blocks] • [ global blocks] • [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/autoblock/?user=&project=en.wikipedia.org autoblocks] • contribs • deleted contribs • [ abuse filter log] • [ creation log] • change block settings • [ unblock] • [ checkuser] ([ log]) )

If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you should read the guide to appealing blocks, then contact administrators by submitting a request to the Unblock Ticket Request System. If the block is a CheckUser or Oversight block, was made by the Arbitration Committee or to enforce an arbitration decision (arbitration enforcement), or is unsuitable for public discussion, you should appeal to the Arbitration Committee. Please note that there could be appeals to the unblock ticket request system that have been declined leading to the post of this notice. Graham 87 03:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Resubmitting exactly the same block request as clearly shown by this diff wastes the time of administrators and also violates the clear instructions given to you by Yamla in their decline notice. For these reasons, I have revoked your access to this talk page. Graham 87 03:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * , just as a heads up I've restored their TPA so they can appeal again on-wiki based on UTRS. If they continue to be disruptive you or any other administrator can revoke it again. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:58, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for giving me back TPA TonyBallioni (talk)! I will make a new unblock request based on the one on UTRS. Kevt2002 22:17, 23 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Non-admin question: I see you undid Graham87's edits 28 times from 16:43, 3 May 2020 to 17:14, 3 May 2020. What happened here? SQL Query me!  15:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I was fixing the problems with the articles that I have edited in the past. After I undid the revisions, I was going to fix the incorrect dates and other errors. Kevt2002 0:19, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevt2002 (talk • contribs) 04:08, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You also failed to sign your comment and modified another user's comments in violation of the relevant guideline. More importantly for this request, you actually created several sockpuppets. Graham 87 04:25, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @User:Deepfriedokra used a double space in his reply. I removed it since it is more grammatically correct and didn't think much of it afterwords. Sentence_spacing. Kevt2002 (talk) 15:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Damn these essential tremors. 😀 -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * House style is to live and let live re one or two spaces after sentences. As it says there, it doesn't make a difference to the output anyway. Graham 87 16:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Graham87: When I created the Laharmo account, it said the name was already taken. I added a 1 to it, and said the same thing again. I then replaced the 1 with a 2 and it worked. This is why they were made around the same time and didn't edit anything. Kevt2002 (talk) 15:37, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This stretchs the bounds of credibility. Graham 87 16:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Also see the talk page for one of said sockpuppets. Graham 87 04:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * --jpgordon can I do the standard offer? Kevt2002 (talk) 16:57, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Unblock discussion
I did what? Where? When? The only UTRS I see for this account-- was not handled by me. I also would have told you to describe what you did to merit a block, what you would do differently, and what constructive edits you would make. The current unblock request falls far short of that. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I see you have not addressed your abuse of multiple accounts. Perhaps it was a UTRS for one of them? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:49, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I made a new account since I didnt think I would get unblocked. I requested to get unblocked 4 times. The first 2 got no response. The next 2 were rejected but gave no reason (@Yamla and @Only). Kevt2002 (talk) 00:14, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You said "You should request unblocking via your original account." on User talk:Laharmo1. Kevt2002 (talk) 00:09, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User has indeed been evading their block. Evading a block because "I didn't think I would get unblocked" is a sure sign the user should remain blocked. I strongly suggest their open unblock request is declined, given their demonstrated unwillingness to abide by our policies. --Yamla (talk) 09:17, 19 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I made a new request. Kevt2002 (talk) 16:36, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Note to reviewing admin: checkuser shows no evidence of problematic behavior. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106;&#x1D110;&#x1d107; 18:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you know if my request will get reviewed or not? Some of my previous requests werent reviewed. Kevt2002 (talk) 23:19, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I've edited your request to make it more readable; this will increase the likelihood one of the admin volunteers will consider it. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106;&#x1D110;&#x1d107; 23:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Kevt2002, a couple of questions:


 * 1) It seems like you have made numerous mistakes on Wikipedia where you did not conform to Wikipedia concensus and manuals of style. What will you do differently to ensure that your edits are appropriate?
 * 2) Why is it important for editors to respond to talk page messages before continuing to make edits?
 * 3) One of the concerns that led to your block was reverting Graham87's reversion of your edits, with your stated goal of making changes to your original edits. Instead of doing this, how can an editor ensure that the appropriate text is in the article? Hint, it is not by having multiple edits.
 * 4) Why is it inappropriate for blocked editors to create or use alternative accounts? What should editors do instead?

Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 18:09, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * 1: I will maintain consistency within an article unless there is a good reason to do otherwise. Specifically, Replacing non-english characters and changing date formats.
 * 2: It is important for editors to read and respond to talk page messages. This is so if an editor does something wrong, you can let them know. If the editor in question doesn't read their talk page, they would have know way of knowing that they are doing something wrong.
 * 3: If you are unsure of which format to use, you should check the Manual of Style. If you make a mistake, someone will tell you on your talk page.
 * 4. It is inappropriate for blocked editors to create or use alternative accounts since you will no longer be facing the consequenses of your actions. If it was an appropriate thing to do, blocks wouldn't be as usefull. Instead, you should make an unblock request on your talk page or use UTRS. Kevt2002 (talk) 23:46, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Here is my response to the query. Kevt2002 (talk) 21:51, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * OK. Pinging, the original blocking admin, for input. Daniel Case (talk) 06:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Kevt2002/sandbox


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Talk page access revoked
 Your ability to edit this talk page has been revoked as an administrator has identified your talk page edits as inappropriate and/or disruptive. ([ block log] • [ active blocks] • [ global blocks] • [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/autoblock/?user=&project=en.wikipedia.org autoblocks] • contribs • deleted contribs • [ abuse filter log] • [ creation log] • change block settings • [ unblock] • [ checkuser] ([ log]) )

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, you should read the guide to appealing blocks, then contact administrators by submitting a request to the Unblock Ticket Request System. Please note that there could be appeals to the unblock ticket request system that have been declined leading to the post of this notice. Graham 87 23:39, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Unblocked
Hi Kev, I've unblocked you per the above discussion, as an absolute last second chance. Be good and don't rush through things. Graham87 (talk) 07:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you! You won't be dissapointed. Kevt2002 (talk) 14:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Reblocked
So this edit shows you going back to your old tricks again ... changes of spelling of numbers and failure to read infobox documentation (search for "parents" above). You cannot be trusted. Graham87 (talk) 07:23, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Numbers of nine or greater are spelled as a number. "Integers greater than nine expressible in one or two words may be expressed either in numerals or in words (16 or sixteen, 84 or eighty-four, 200 or two hundred). When written as words, integers from 21 to 99 that are not multiples of 10 are hyphenated (including when part of a larger number): fifty-six and fifty-six thousand but five hundred and five thousand are not." Kevt2002 (talk) 13:45, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I added the parents for genealogical reasons. See Henry Percy (Hotspur) and Edmond de Burgh for examples. Kevt2002 (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Lastly, if someone does something wrong, you should let them know on their talk page. You did this when I was blocked previously. You just blocked me without warning. Kevt2002 (talk) 13:59, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, they arent "old tricks." I am not trying to be distruptive. Assume good faith Kevt2002 (talk) 14:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Just because the Manual of Style gives you two options, it doesn't mean you have the right to impose the one you prefer on the encyclopedia, as you have done. This situation goes well beyond assuming good faith, more like giving them enough rope; your rope has run out. Graham87 (talk) 15:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I apologize for not following the changing of numbers from one style to another. I read the style for numbers and assumed that it wouldn't matter what style you could have chose. Kevt2002 (talk) 16:04, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Why didn't you tell me on my talk page? I know that if "an editor does something wrong, you can let them know." Kevt2002 (talk) 16:04, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The Unblocks are cheap essay says that the editor can be given additional feedback for minor issues. Kevt2002 (talk) 22:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Response to RickinBaltimore: Graham previously tole me to not "rush through things". What I thought he meant by this was to make only a few edits over a few days so he could give me feedback. I started changing the spelling of numbers but nobody, not even Graham told me it was wrong on my talk page so I assumed what I was doing was ok. The reason I was blocked in the first place was because I didn't read my talk page. The only person to give me feedback on my edits was User:Aza24. I continued this for around 2 weeks, and then without warning, Graham blocked me.Kevt2002 (talk) 14:17, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I cannot speak to the user's other edits, but their edits of the Guido of Arezzo page seem to have been in good faith, and once I explained their mistake (on part of the edits), they appropriately accepted it.  Aza24  (talk)   03:29, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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