User talk:Kezollinger

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January 2013
You have been blocked temporarily from editing for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.  Tide  rolls  22:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You cannot edit from any IP address or registered account while you are blocked. While the conditions I set for your unblock remain the same, I would say that you will have to be very convincing since your first act with this account was to return to the article you offered to stay away from.  Tide  rolls  22:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

A solution, if you choose to do it, is to lock the Season 3 page, and unblock me because I help out a lot with the Chopped and Top Chef pages, and they are both on tonight and tomorrow. Any possible way? Thanks! Kezollinger (talk) 00:01, 2 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger
 * I cannot unblock an editor that refuses discussion and ignores policy. Besides, as I've stated above, you've already violated your own proposal while blocked.  Tide  rolls  00:05, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I didn't ignore it, because I left a note on my 50.81.90.92 talk page, stating that Melissa should be the in HIGH group in an episode, and when I was unblocked, I just did that. I didn't ignore policies because I talked with you about it. And I didn't offer to stay away from it. I just said that I would make reasonable edits, and follow what you have put already, and that you could watch what I do on the page. The reason that I ignore messages is because I didn't realize that they were at the bottom, and I thought that it was the words at the top. I don't understand why I'm blocked for a week because when I visited the page on Sunday, there was someone who completely vandalized the table, and put fake data for the episodes all the way until the finale. So, I reverted it, being helpful. After about 2 or 3 edits, I know not to edit it again, if you guys revert it. I try to take in what you guys put along with what I have in mind, maybe being disruptive or not. Please consider this. Thanks! Kezollinger (talk) 01:40, 2 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger
 * Unconvincing. Before this last block the last time you edited a talk page was June 27.  You have never responded on your IP user talk to any message before this latest block.  This edit requests a ban from the article; I interpret that as an offer to avoid editing there.  There was no vandalism reverted by your edits; at most there was a difference of opinion on content and format.  Disputes are resolved by discussion.  You thought new messages were at the top of a page although the top of a page never changes?  See how that sounds?  Read WP:Vandalism, WP:Identifying reliable sources, WP:Consensus, WP:Bold, revert, discuss and WP:Dispute resolution.  I'm still open to unblocking you but you will have to exhibit much more comprehension of Wikipedia's editing guidelines before that will happen.  Tide  rolls  02:20, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I realize when it says new messages, but I was just confused. If you unblock me, I will stay away from the Next Great Baker page until January 8 (the amount of time of the block), but I don't understand why other pages have to suffer because of this. I set the baseline for the data on the Chopped page that helps admins build off of that, and I bring more information to the Top Chef page, that is helpful. If I go back to edit the Next Great Baker page before January 8, or anything past that date that is disruptive, you have full freedom to block me if I do not use the talk page or an edit summary. I do understand Wikipedia's editing guidelines, and I've been using edit summaries ever since I was blocked in June. I may have just forgotten about using a talk page because I think edit summaries are faster. Consider unblocking me? I will stay away from the Next Great Baker page until January 8. Thanks! Kezollinger (talk) 02:58, 2 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger
 * Other pages have to suffer because you are unable, or unwilling, to edit within Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Let me be clear about something; administrators do not judge content with the exception of very strict circumstances.  In general, when it comes to content we have no more "power" than any other editor.  Let me be clear about the conditions of unblock; I do not care what article you edit, you will have to convince me that you will respond to the inquiries of other editors and use sources to support your changes and additions.  Here's a hint; "I forgot" will not suffice as an explanation.  Tide  rolls  03:10, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I understand where you're coming from, but, I don't know if there is much more I can say. I gave you some ideas (locking Season 3 temporarily, observing me on the Next Great Baker [won't edit until January 8, and will use edit summaries and talk pages more after that]) I am definately aware of Wikipedia's editing policies, and I respect them. I guess in the heat of the moment, I forgot to go down and look at my messages. (I'm not trying to use this as an excuse.) I don't know. I have learned from my lesson, and I have given you, if you unblock me, full freedom to block me if I do an edit that doesn't make sense without using an edit summary or a talk page. I know my obnoxious, repetitive editing made the Next Great Baker page suffer, but I will try my hardest for that not to happen again. Because I made one page suffer, now about three or four are, and I know that is my fault. I am aware that everyone has an equal amount of power, but I am saying that with the same amount of power, I help out other pages and add on to them, without being disruptive. I have given you all I have to say. Please consider unblocking me, I am very sorry. I am aware of the policies and will follow them, and will use more of the talk page if the edit summary isn't enough. I will be sure to respond to messages. I would greatly appreciate it if you unblocked me. Thanks very much! Kezollinger (talk) 04:15, 2 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger
 * From what account do you plan to edit?  Tide  rolls  04:19, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Probably 50.81.90.92. It's just easier for me. Kezollinger (talk) 04:20, 2 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger
 * You have inquiries that are pending at User talk:50.81.90.92 that I expect to be addressed before you make any edits to the mainspace. If you edit an article before sufficiently addressing the concerns on your talk page, I will reinstate your block.  Tide  rolls  04:30, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I understand. Thank you! Kezollinger (talk) 04:35, 2 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger

Are you going to unblock this account, or should it wait? Kezollinger (talk) 04:11, 10 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger

Block
The block on this accoount is now indefinite.  Tide  rolls  05:47, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Why won't you guys respond to my unblock request? Kezollinger (talk) 23:52, 2 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger

Unblocked
Please remember your unblock conditions and remember that your editing privilege is dependent upon your observation of them. Now, mentorship. You have been editing here long enough to acquire the editing basics. If you are unclear on any of the fundamentals, please ask. The basic problem you need to address is use of talk pages. When an editor requests comment or explanation regarding your edits, you will be expected to respond. When an editor reverts an edit you have made, you will expected to start or participate in a discussion on the article talk page. Participation in discussion does not entitle an editor to undo the reversion of their edits (see WP:Edit warring). When one of your edits is challenged, you should attempt to build a consensus before returning to edit the article (see WP:Consensus).  Tide  rolls  21:11, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I understand. Thank a lot Tiderolls! I really appreciate it! Kezollinger (talk) 23:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger


 * Kezollinger, I've offered to help you over and over on your talk page; mentorship is going to be key to your avoiding another indefinite block. Find a good mentor; in the meantime, you must, must, must start by understanding how much your behavior frustrates other editors and by reading the basic editing rules.  For all you claim you understand them, actions speak louder than words, and your actions suggest you don't.  Please take the time to read carefully, and if you have questions, I'm happy to help along with Tide Rolls.  --Drmargi (talk) 07:00, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Kezollinger (talk) 23:22, 14 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger

Blocked
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abuse of editing privileges. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.  Tide  rolls  04:57, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No source cited for the changes made here. I cannot mentor anyone that is incapable of following simple, unambiguous instruction.  Tide  rolls  04:57, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

You said I should cite my sources. When in fact, there was already a source cited. I used a clear edit summary to explain that, yet you still blocked me. Let's talk. Kezollinger (talk) 05:21, 16 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger


 * Tiderolls was right to block you again. You did not cite a source for the new episode of Chopped.  I gave you a link and directions how to do exactly the sort of sourcing you needed to do by modeling what I do on Iron Chef America, yet you blew it off.  Telling us you have a source in an edit summary then playing "take my word for it" isn't how sourcing works.  You've demonstrated that you are incapable of following Wikipedia policies, for all your proclaimed willingness to do so.  --Drmargi (talk) 05:29, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I have been editing Chopped for almost 2 years now, and I have never seen any admin or contributor cite a source in the episode data. It seems to be the biggest deal right now (and I know I've been causing lots of trouble) that I cite a source, when in reality, there are sources on there already that seem perfectly fine. I said there were sources to the episode list, and there were! On both the series and episode pages! Could we talk more? Kezollinger (talk) 05:33, 16 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger


 * Doesn't matter. The terms of your unblock were clear:  a) you must discuss any upcoming edits here, with your mentor and; b) you must provide sources for your edits.  Telling us you have a source and someone can contact you is not sourcing your edits.  I've directed you to essays on how to edit, source, and more which you clearly haven't read.  Tiderolls offered you all sorts of help and what did you do?  Not what you were asked.  Blocking was the only choice Tiderolls had left.  --Drmargi (talk) 05:45, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Tiderolls had suggested to me earlier that I could do an adoption with an administrator, and I am willing to do that. I would like for someone that is completely new to see what I do on Wikipedia, and see their take on it. Tiderolls did warn me that he was going to be tough as a mentor, and he was right. I did understand most of the things Tiderolls said, but it just seemed like it wasn't going anywhere, and that may be because of me. But definitely consider what Tiderolls said about the adoption. If you say yes, I will let you know who I would want to be with. Thanks! Kezollinger (talk) 05:52, 16 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger


 * I'm not an administrator and you don't have to account to me. I'm just trying to help you understand where you went wrong.  Tiderolls is the blocking administrator as well as your mentor, and will have to decide what happens next.  You had the chance to take advantage of his support, and the offer of mine, and I can see no evidence you did anything you were asked to do.  Two other administrators have looked at your work, and the terms of your block were laid out by an impartial administrator.  I'm not sure another admin will see things much differently that the three who have looked at your editing already have.  Let me ask you a question:  did you look List of Iron Chef America episodes to see how I sourced and referenced upcoming episodes or not? --Drmargi (talk) 06:09, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I did Drmargi. It was very helpful. Try and see if you can get Tiderolls to agree on the adoption. It was his idea, and I think it will be fine. So, when Chopped Champions: Part 2 premieres, you would take out the source for that, and do the next one for part 3, right? Just curious. I want to learn from my mistakes. Kezollinger (talk) 21:56, 16 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger


 * So why didn't you do what I did? The whole point of my suggesting you check what I did for ICA was that you would have a model.  As for Tiderolls, that's up to you.  He's given you specific guidelines to follow and so far, you've followed none of them.  I can't see how he's going to unblock you yet again.  You haven't demonstrated your capable, or willing, to follow even the simplest procedures.  --Drmargi (talk) 05:26, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * At this point I am FULLY AWARE of Wikipedia's Guidelines. You must use a veriable source. I've got it now. I just read the ICA a couple of days ago, (I should've read it like a week and a half ago) and I get what you're saying. If you can, please consider unblocking me. Thanks! Kezollinger (talk) 22:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger


 * I'm not an administrator, so an unblock is not up to me. --Drmargi (talk) 01:47, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Tiderolls told me that, I was just saying that maybe Tiderolls could know. But I think it would be best of me to just make an unblock request tomorrow or something for someone like Dennis Brown and Tiderolls to review. I am all for the adoption. Thanks Kezollinger (talk) 04:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger


 * Good luck. --Drmargi (talk) 06:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Kezollinger (talk) 20:06, 18 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger

I understand that an agreement is an agreement. I will try and contact him. Where is the email-me? And, when I asked Drmargi about unblock, even though he/she are not an admin, he/she seemed fine about it. I have learned my lesson about citing sources and will do it the way Drmargi wants me to do it. Kezollinger (talk) 21:39, 22 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger


 * Wait a minute; don't put words in my mouth. I said nothing about the appropriateness of your being unblocked.  I'm not an administrator and it's not appropriate for me to do so.  I simply tried to elaborate what steps you need to be taking to be an editor in good standing who follows Wikipedia policy, then informed you in wholly neutral language that I did not have the power to block/unblock.  --Drmargi (talk) 21:51, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * You said "I am not an administrator, so an unblock is not up to me". I'm not saying things that you didn't say, that was just my interpretation of it, even if you can't unblock. Sorry if I may have offended you. That was just what I thought. Where is the "e-mail me"? Kezollinger (talk) 00:55, 23 January 2013 (UTC)Kezollinger