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 * Done. -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  12:12, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Abaniko
made it into a stub. Could use some extra info. Online sources for the fan is very few.--Lenticel 07:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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Garryowen
Hi, Can you let me know why you deleted a perfectly good chunk of material I had put up onto the Garryowen page? The article is now much more balanced and includes more of the early history, rather than just being a brief history of its connection with the US Army. --hydeblake 11:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello, let's be clear about that, I didn't DELETE any material, I simply REVERTED the article back to its original state before your edits. It seems all your additions are not supported by in-line citations. Don't worry, I won't revert it back anymore, but do append citations to your edits. -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  03:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

That's fine - by a request for in-line citations to be included would be better than deleting without any explanation!
 * Can't you read? It wasn't deleted, it was reverted. It's a simple task of reverting it back and appending your citations. And please sign your posts. -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  08:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

What a silly question – of course I can read! That is why I put things into an online encyclopaedia! Delete or revert – same difference. You removed something without thinking about what you were doing. My original point still stands: if you had asked for in-line citations or referencing, then that would have been a far better way of doing it instead of removing the text. I know how to revert - which is exactly what I did after your actions, which I think were unthoughtful and unnecessary. --hydeblake 14:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well now... when you made those edits, you were an unregistered user. How could I "request" you for in-line citations when you might be using a dynamic IP? Now it seems you are a registered user, so your contributions will be "respected" by other usrs. What else do you want me to say? If you feel offended, I should tell you that this sort of thing happens all the time, don't let it affect you, simply revert the edit if you find it out of place and go on with your contributions. -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  07:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, interesting. Actually I was registered and if you look at the History log, you'll see that for yourself! --hydeblake 08:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ooops. My bad. -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  08:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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Balut
Dear sir,

This is regarding my edit to the article Balut.

Earlier today you sent a message to me asking why I persist in adding irrelevant information to the said article. (Italics yours.)

Perhaps it did not come to your notice that my edit was merely an additional response to an existing fact contained within the said article, which is as follows:


 * The Filipino and Malay word balut(balot) roughly translates to mean "wrapped".

In conjunction with the above sentence, I added the following sentence so that no confusion may arise among the uninformed as to the usage of the word balut mentioned in the above sentence:


 * However, Malays have never taken the word to mean "duck foetus" and, being Muslims, they do not eat balut, even though this food is technically halal.

The edit is thus, in my opinion, relevant to the article.

I patiently await your thoughts on this matter.

Yours sincerely,

161.142.96.106 16:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * That is exactly the reason why I removed the reference to the Malay language. however, you did revert the edit again. If you are committed to contributing to Wikipedia, please register and create a user account so your edits may be credited directly to you and not so some unknown dynamic IP. It also lends credibility to your edits. -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  03:18, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your response.

It is true, however, that Malay shares the word balut with Tagalog, and that they both mean the same thing, "to wrap". I thought it was an interesting titbit of etymology.

I propose retaining the original sentence: The Filipino and Malay word balut(balot) roughly translates to mean "wrapped".

Patiently awaiting your thoughts.

Yours sincerely,

161.142.96.180 07:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * (Sigh). You seem determined to include that tidbit of etymology. I give up. =) -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  08:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, at least we have something in common. Haha. Speaking of which...do you eat balut? I can't imagine what it tastes like. Dying to know.

161.142.97.206 10:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yup, you can see the user box on balut on my user page. Tastes good, but quite filling; the most I can eat in one sitting is two. -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  02:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Translation Request 2
Greetings Kguirnela!

Can you please help me translate these passages into the unique Hiligaynon language?


 * "Receiving the Holy Spirit, evidenced by speaking in tongues, is the guarantee of our inheritance of the Kingdom of Heaven".


 * "Water baptism is the sacrament for the remission of sins and for regeneration. The baptism takes place in natural living water, such as the river, sea, or spring. The Baptist, whom has already received baptism of water and the Holy Spirit, conducts the baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. And the person receiving the baptism should be completely immersed in water with head bowed and face downward".


 * "The sacrament of feet washing enables one to have a part with the Lord Jesus. It also serves as a constant reminder that one should have love, holiness, humility, forgiveness and service. Every person who has received water baptism should have their feet washed in the name of Jesus Christ. Mutual feet washing is practiced whenever is appropriate".


 * "The Holy Communion is the sacrament to commemorate the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. It enables us to partake of the flesh and blood of our Lord and to be in communion with Him so that we can have eternal life and be raised on the Last Day. This sacrament should be held as often as possible. Only one unleavened bread and grape juice is used".


 * "The Sabbath day, the seventh day of the week (Saturday), is a Holy Day, blessed and sanctified by God. It is observed under the Lord's grace for the commemoration of God's creation and salvation and with the hope of eternal rest in the life to come".

Your help would be very Gratefully Appreciated, Thankyou very much. --Jose77 05:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll be translating this soon.=) -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  01:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello Kguirnela. I am a bureaucrat on the Māori Wikipedia, and we have just blocked Jose77, because, as he has admitted on my talk page User talk:Kahuroa, he uses many account names and other tactics to get people to translate for him - it is up to you but I don't think he should be encouraged. Kahuroa 11:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I see. If you think such behavior should not be encouraged, I will abide by that opinion. -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  03:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It is really entirely up to you - he has now given reasons for the use of multiple names which may make sense - that he is well-known in his field and does this to avoid embarrassment. He has been unblocked, so you should decide on what you feel is right. Kahuroa 05:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok then, thanks for the heads-up. =) -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  11:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Greetings Kguirnela, now that my issue with User:Kahuroa has been resolved I hope you could resume helping me translate those passages into the Hiligaynon language. Thanks in advance. (The reason why Kahuroa gave you that message was because I was using a public computer at the University Campus which had a fixed IP Address. As we all know, these public computers are often manipulated by vandals and hence he suspected that I was the one causing the vandalism. Nevertheless the problem has now been resolved after I gave him the correct explanation. I hope you can understand.) --Jose77 08:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh i see. Very well, i may get around to it after a while. -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  09:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Hiligaynon Test-Wikipedia
Hi Kguirnela,

The Hiligaynon Test-Wikipedia had been created a few months ago. However no native speaker has discovered the site yet. I hope you can also help contribute to the test-wiki.

Regards, --Jose77 06:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * We hope you can support the Request for Hiligaynon Wikipedia. Thankyou for your contributions to the test project. Regards. --203.109.217.207 22:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

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 * Done -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  03:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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Why do you delete GoBacolod.com?
Why do you delete our site Gobacolod.com in the Bacolod City profile? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emjoven (talk • contribs)
 * Please read the message I left you in your talk page. And please sign your posts. -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  09:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Gobacolod.com complies with the wikipedia's policy.
I have read the Spam policy and I don't see a reason for you to delete our site on the Bacolod City profile, we have original content that cannot be published on Wikipedia.

Please Point to me where we violate the policy and I will no longer include our site in Wikipedia.

Thanks.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Emjoven (talk • contribs)

Additional comments The title of the page itself is a giveaway: Gobacolod.com - Online Community of Bacolod City. In other words, a forum/portal that requires registration and where members who signed up can contribute content ("Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), discussion forums or USENET.") Clearly not allowed; I deleted a lot of similar links myself. Anyone can submit content on the article and pass it of as a legitimate "news" item. If this was the official link to Bacolod City's city government, I would let it go. Also, per WP:RSEX, "Material from bulletin boards and forum sites, Usenet, wikis, blogs and comments associated with blog entries should not normally be used as sources. These media do not have adequate levels of editorial oversight or author credibility and lack assured persistence." It's not clear how well-moderated this site is, plus the fact that it contains a forum also helps with this consideration. Thanks --- Tito Pao 10:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Reply
You're very welcome. Service with a smile! And happy editing!  Lra drama 10:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The correlation between the commencement of regular private and public educational activities and...
Heheheh...I noticed you made two RFPs for two related articles at about the same time I wrote one myself. Looks like there's a connection between the first week of classes and an increase in vandalism for Philippine-related articles ;-) --- Tito Pao 10:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hehe. =) I had a spiky time this afternoon dealing with a spammer insisting on putting an external link to a commercial website in the Bacolod City and Negros Occidental articles. We had quite an edit war and the spammer made the transition to vandalism. whoa-boy... -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Talk  10:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Dont boast about it kurt...maybe the edit war your talking about is just starting...

.......subseven —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.2.43.138 (talk • contribs)


 * I'm sorry you feel that way. If implementing Wikipedia policies is boasting to you, then I don't know what spamming is. -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  05:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't even try starting an edit war. In particular, be civil to your fellow Wikipedians and give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Thanks --- Tito Pao 06:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

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SGT. McKENZIE
As the creator of this page, I'd like to state that I'm very pleased with the job you've done. Excellent work ! The article looks extremely professional.

STEALTH RANGER 13:02, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the kind words; just trying to make Wikipedia a better source of information.
 * -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  04:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Pugad Baboy Sunday Comics
I don't know, but I'm sure it's on sale on some if not all bookstores here in Manila. I've picked up my copy back in December. - 上村七美 | talk 12:50, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... not a shadow of it down here. =) Okay, thanks. I'll have to pull some strings over there. -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  12:53, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, then let me create the article for Benigno Ramos: Bounty Hunter. I'm making it right now in my sandbox. - 上村七美 | talk 16:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course; however, it's gonna be a spoiler for me. hehe. Btw, how much is it? The book I mean... =) -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  03:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * About P399.95 when I bought it. - 上村七美 | talk 09:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello there, I couldn't help noticing your quest to find PBSC. National Bookstore in Shangri-La Mall in EDSA is full of copies right now. Sadly they are missing Pugad Baboy 10, the only one I lack in my collection. Hope this helps! Nintenboy01 21:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the heads-up. It's ironic, all National Bookstores here in Bacolod are chock-full of the large-format Pugad Baboy X's. I could send you a copy via LBC (after you deposit the appropriate amount in my bank account of course. hehe.) -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  02:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, that's not a bad idea at all. I'll try snooping around the Metro a bit more first though. Maybe I'll get lucky. Thanks. Nintenboy01 03:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

San Lorenzo Ruiz - Obando Fertility Rites
Hi, mind enlightening me what relationship San Lorenzo Ruiz has with Obando Fertility Rites? -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  02:05, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, pardon me. I should have written a note to you (I forgot/wanted to have dinner/hungry). Well, I added it there sometime ago because the article is related to "saints and the Philippines" (well, in my opinion only). The Obando Fertility Rites article has a section on saints (although they are not Filipinos).  But it is worth enlightening a reader about the many faces of the Catholic religion in the Philippines. Dragonbite 02:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... good enough for me. =) My first instinct was to remove the link since IMHO, the article should have links to Filipino saints alone, to achieve focus. I'm leaving the link as is, of course. Thanks! -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  02:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

My Image
Are you are some kind of arrogant image police? I know what sort of fruit it is. Put the image back. You shouldn't delete things done by experienced editors w/o some sort of discussion - it wan't like I was say the fruit is poison or a racist. I will take another shot with a ruler in front of it if you insist. Albatross2147 09:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC) Albatross2147


 * Wow, you are one touchy dude. And who said anything about being a racist? And I don't insist on you putting a ruler in front of the fruit to prove a point. Arrogance? If I were that arrogant, I would not have bothered to post the initial message on your talk page. Be civil to your fellow wikipedians. If you believe I was mistaken, you can always undo my edit. -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  02:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Oakwood Mutiny
Could you return the reference made to Capt. Faeldon. The sources have been put in the discussion page. Please also note my comment on the term "mutiny." Since the cases are still under trial, both in the Regional Trial Court, Branch 148 in the sala of Judge Pimentel and the General Court Martial No. 1, the term to be used should be "alleged mutiny." After all, the term "alleged" apears before the word "corruption" in describing the Arroyo administration. Dont you think we should be fair to both sides?

Irwinrommel's comment seems also valid. Trillanes and Maestrecampo were very vocal on television regarding the name "Magdalo." They both said that it was the press that dubbed them that. They never used that term. At least not until Trillanes ran for senator.

T.rebelyell 13:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The word "alleged" has been added before the word "mutiny". "Bagong Katipuneros" has replaced the "Magdalo" label, and a reference to Captain Faeldon's statement has been included. All the given references have been incorporated. Just one stumbling block: the page http://www.pilipino.org.ph/opinion_faeldon4.php, primary source for most of the text moved to the talk page is a copyrighted page. We may not reproduce the content from there verbatim. As a compromise, an external link to that page has been added. It is also used as a primary reference and appears as a footnote. I hope this is satisfactory. Btw: is the article accurate in portraying the sixteen-rayed-sun flag as the actual symbol used by the Bagong Katipuneros?-- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  04:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I have contacted the managers of the pilipino.org site to give their permission, they will contact this site directly. The sixteen rayed flag is accurate.


 * As for your editing: Beautifully done.
 * T.rebelyell 04:26, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you, just trying to make Wikipedia a better encyclopedia. -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  04:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Philippine-mythology barnstar protection amulet

 * Thanks for the barnstar! -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  04:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the heads-up. =) -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  01:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:Csab google.JPG
Tagged for no fair use rationale. -- VegitaU 23:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

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Uploading images
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I note you've uploaded quite a few - perhaps we could create a spider fighting category at Commons. Let me know if you need any help. Richard001 05:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer. I guess I should move those images to Commons... What do you suggest we do first? -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  09:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The first thing to do is create an account if you haven't already (and you might find it handy to link to it on your user page here for quick navigation). I uploaded one or two before I created an account at Commons so it wasn't a big deal to move them. I see you've uploaded many though - if only you had got this message earlier! (See for a list of all your image uploads - you can navigate there by going to your contributions and choosing image name space from the drop down box. I have to pay quite a bit for the bandwidth I use, so I can't really help in uploading there for you. I believe there are bots that can help with the process (see Commons helper). I haven't used it that much but it should make any moving a lot easier.


 * I'm more interested in finding out how we can get people to upload at Commons from the beginning. We have a message that shows up when you upload any image - Please consider uploading your image to Wikimedia Commons. Commons is an archive of freely licensed (not fair use) images that are automatically available to all projects. Yet thousands of Commons compatible images still get uploaded here. I'm not sure if people don't see the message, don't want to bother or what. I had a template made so I can explain this to people without typing out the same message every time, and it seems to have some effect, though I'm sure we can still do more. Perhaps having a bot post it automatically for every upload that is obviously Commons compatible would help. Do you have any suggestions? What were your reasons for uploading to Wikipedia? Or were you just unaware of Commons? We need to understand this better so we can get more users uploading there from the beginning. You'll notice there are many thousands of images that could be moved there, but there is no automated process to do it, so most of them remain here.


 * Commons is extremely helpful - it allows sharing not just with other languages, but other projects in English like Wikibooks etc. It also provides a very good stand alone media repository, and I use it all the time to search for images for articles. Ideally users could just use their Wikipedia account for Commons as well, and I believe they've been working on that for a long time (see Bugzilla and m:Help:Unified login). The only other option is forcing people to upload at Commons, but since we still have non-free images here that would probably just encourage people to upload here under a non-free license. And having images here is a lot better than none at all. Richard001 03:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I was aware of Commons from the start, but opted to upload to Wikipedia since uploading to Commons entailed creating another account and logging in separately each session. Maybe it would be more user-friendly to redirect users to Commons every time they click the "my own work" link in the interface. I'm not sure if that will work or even if its possible; but it just might encourage users to upload to Commons instead of Wikipedia.


 * I'll move the free images I've uploaded here to Commons bit by bit; I've examined the tools and I think those work just fine for the job. I'll have no trouble locating all those images; I keep a gallery in my user page. Thanks for the reminders about Commons; I guess this method is the most effective way of getting people to upload free images there. =) -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  03:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help. I don't know that the redirect idea would go down too well, but it's interesting. If I can't get any support for a bot mediated notification system I'll just have to try to get more people to help me spread the word. Richard001 05:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * More power to you mate. =) If there's anything I can do to help, hanggang sa kaya ko ("to the limit of my abilities"), I'm good to go. =) -- • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  12:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)