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Your recent edits
Brother, I've noticed you seem quite agitated in your recent edits. I can't deliver you from your angst entirely, but perhaps there are things I can put in order for you.

Your commentary at Adana massacre seems to suggest an alternative history to that understood by most of the world. The article is based on the observations of Americans, rather than Armenians. Ethnically-different people witnessed the pogrom of Armenians in 1909; hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people. Even some Americans were killed, and their killings were witnessed by other Americans, by French, British, Turks, and many other nationalities. What Armenians say, that does not have anything to do with what was witnessed and reported. The world is not so naive as to simply accept the word of a politically-interested party.

I understand it's illegal to speak of these things in Turkey; and I would not expect you to simply believe me, if I were to tell you that you and your family have been lied to for three generations. Nonetheless, I think you may be able to see, and agree, that it's quite wrong and even evil to suggest that "Armenians", ethnically, can somehow be "fascist" and "lying". This is precisely the soul of evil, to declare an "other" and ascribe to them such characteristics. You cannot hate any ethnic group, simply for its ethnic features. It's only as individuals that we truly define ourselves, and it's only as individuals that we can truly become understood.DBaba 23:15, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

"About My Edits"
Hi! My Dear Brother,

You !maybe! think you're civilized and think free in everything and we're a closed nation and we think everything in same way, our "zombie brains" only create and tell what benefits to our nation. But your free brains only can see propagandas in a subject. This "ARMENIAN GENOCIDE" subject is a result of propagandas of Armenian Diaspora and don't be accepted by many historians. Think like this now many historians say "Julius Sezar had never lived"(It is real, I read it in newspaper and a history magazine, but you can't prove if he lived or not because unfortunately you can not observe and test historical events, this is speciality of ΙΣΤΟΡΙА (History). I advise you as a brother don't ,fully, believe things except you sense it. I believe an event called "Armenian Genocide" wasn't happened in world history because I listened many things about it from first mouths, and people who I love. But I remine an old Turkish proverb "Do not trust anyone include your father.". Who know maybe my grandparents and all of my ancestor said and saying lie or maybe someone else.. Good Night from Turkey brother!.. KhaLduNTR 20:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

"we're"
I don't have any prejudice against a "we", which I assume you mean is the nation of Turkey or ethnic Turks. That's precisely my point, in fact! I was talking to you as a person, not you as a representative of Turkey or the Turkish people. Just you and I, no ethnic or religious identifiers. I have no preconceived notions of the Turkish people as a monolithic entity.

"Do not trust anyone include your father", that's quite a wonderful proverb. I wish I spoke Turkish. But I must tell you, I was interested in the Adana massacre, and I sat and I read each and every day of the New York Times over the course of the events in question. It costs just $7 for access to 100 scanned articles at www.nyt.com. The Adana massacre has nothing to do with the Armenian Diaspora, nothing to do with Armenian "lobbyists", it's just what Americans and Europeans and Turks saw at the time. With all the research I did, and with even your grandparents not disputing it, haven't I done enough to assert that it is clear, there was a massacre and hundreds of westerners witnessed it? There are even pictures in the newspaper. I can't even imagine what more evidence there could possibly be; the Sultan even addressed the issue. All of this is referenced in the article, right to the newspaper articles in question. What more evidence could there be?

I'm glad you're not angry with me! Thanks for talking, DBaba 21:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Think in Neutrality
Hi Brother, Of course I'm not angry with you. We are living in a free world and we're talking in a free encyclopedia :) Of course you can think different. Our teachers teach us at school "Who thinks free can construct a peaceful, wealthful and fraternal civilization". In our universities who wants can say there was a genocide or not. Last year that was a Armenian Genocide Conference at a Turkish University(Boğaziçi University) and many Armenian people said there was a genocide freely and this year at same university Kurdish people gave a conference and they supported Kurdish Terrorism at east of Turkey. Nobody jailed them, nobody said anything bad. Leader of Kurdish Terrorists Abdullah Ocalan he was arrested and now he is lifetime imprisoned but he is free to talk with his lawyers and give directions to Kurdish Terrorist Organization(PKK) with his lawyers. And he regularly writes in a Kurdish Newspaper, you can buy it in all Turkey. He is free !so much! isn't it, at official sources of Republic Of Turkey you can see his terrorist organization killed 37000 people(most of civilians) and everyday killing 2 or more people now. They organizing in North Iraq but Turkish Army can't do anything because Miss Rice don't give permission! We're waiting for a permission and everyday watching the deaths in television. Mr. Pamuk said there was a genocide, law prosecuted him and but he is free now. Government understood to prosecute him wrong and they work for remove law 301 "denigrating Turkishness" from law book. Turkish Socialist, "Workers Party" Leader Doğu Perinçek and his son Mehmet Perinçek worked at Russian Official Archives and with original copies from archives, they published a book called "100 Belgede Ermeni Meselesi". In this book it can be seen Russian's gave munitions to Armenians, galvanized to attack Turks and found a new country. Real archive logs published in this book. And after this Doğu Perinçek went to Switzerland and said "Armenian Genocide is an imperialist lie." and after this he jailed. Which is more free?? Turkey or Switzerland?? Nobody can be jailed because of thought, unless take action in bad ways!! You said I'm trying to talk with you as a person not a Turkish. Ok, brother you know the rules of "Free Discussion", thanks. I talked about Armenian Diaspora because many Armenian people living in Amerika and because of this they can show Armenian thesis to people easily, and defend them easily. This is same in world too. Armenians are good organized and show their thesis to people, but Turkish people don't enough organized to defend them. Sigmund Freud says in his books what repeated regularly will be accepted in "Unconscious Mind" rapidly. People hear it so much from a good organization and accept in their mind. Is it true or lie, not important. Mind will accept this affirmation! That's all! Please don't believe every photograph you see in newspaper. A photo of Founder of the Republic of Turkey(Ataturk) were published at many newspapers and showed at Armenian Conferences last year and before. At this photo Ataturk sitting in a chair and dead Armenian children lie front of him. But this year someone found original of this photo in Turkey Official Archives and it shows Ataturk sitting in a chair and his dogs(everyone knows he had dogs) lying front of him. I saw a photo at a genocide website and I shocked, at this photo dead people lying on ground and soldiers laughing near them, but this soldiers was wearing Russian Army Caps(I don't know its special name)but under the photo I read Ottoman Soldiers Near Armenian Corpses. Ottomans never wore like this. It is funny. :) My MSN is "er_cake@hotmail.com" you can add me if you want. Good Day Brother! KhaLduNTR 10:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Maurer and Rogers
I'm certainly interested in everything you have to say, but you didn't actually mention the Americans who were killed in 1909. Do you doubt their deaths? Remember, Americans witnessed their killings, right there in Adana, and witnessed the killings of unarmed Armenians. It sounds a little like you were avoiding the matter.

It's a shame to hear you defending the Turkish government. There's more to achieve in being self-critical. Only Turkey got itself in the world news for its reaction to a schoolboy's prank on YouTube. Americans would laugh if it was George Washington (heck, that'd be damn funny!), but for many in Turkey the state has been elevated to a new religion: "our sacred symbols", as a Wikipedia editor once carried on. Doesn't that strike you as unnatural, or dangerous?

And as far as "many Armenian people in America", I hear that so much from Turkish websites, but most Americans don't know what an Armenian is, because there are so few. America is enormous and diverse: you've got about 200,000 people who speak Armenian among 300,000,000; but in the USA 1.2 million speak Tagalog, 2.5 million speak Chinese, 30 million speak Spanish, and dozens of other languages are more spoken. It always sounds a bit paranoid to hear about the Armenian stranglehold on America, at websites like Tall Armenian Tale. In fact, all of what occurred in Anatolia is attested to by witnesses from dozens of countries, not just Armenians; no one would listen to a politically-interested party. The 1909 Adana (province) massacre for instance was witnessed by hundreds and hundreds of people from many different countries. Peace, DBaba 13:47, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

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Population of City of Adana
Cite you are referencing for Adana's population is not just for city of Adana. That's urban population within Adana Province. I calculated the urban population of city of Adana, by adding the urban population of Seyhan, Çukurova, Yüreğir and Sarıçam districts. Karaisalı district, although within Greater Municipality borders, is not counted in urban population of city of Adana. Seyhan668 (talk) 20:58, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

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