User talk:Khalfani khaldun/Archive 1

Randy Monroe
If I had the time or desire to make the edits myself, I would have. I don't, so instead of having an article that should not really be deleted be deleted on a prod that I didn't contest, I contested it and stated my reasoning, and added an expand tag so that someone who can make the effort will come across and give the article its due. Feel free to take the article to AfD if you'd like, even now, but there are plenty of sources out there - the man just took his team the the NCAA tournament this past year - and the time that you'll be spending taking the article to AfD could be much better spent expanding the article yourself. --fuzzy510 (talk) 02:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

About section of Local churches
Dear Khalfani,

I have changed the about summary of the Local churches based upon the exact fact, the summary at local church disamb. page and the very first sentence in the article itself. There is no such "formal" organizational structure surrounded by Living Stream Ministry and Mr. Lee.

How the local church adherents practice their church-life and associate with one another (mutual fellowship among the churches) is a different matter altogether but as far as formalities and legalities go, there is no organization, head-quarters, names/brand, etc.. so let me know if you find the current summary acceptable and in NPOV. Thanks. HopeChrist (talk) 20:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Recent Disruptive Edits
The article Local churches is recently been attacked/vandalized by User:Ad.minster; furthermore, I do not understand how come the "Sunday Nights" correlates with the Lord's table meeting. Most of the recent edits disqualifies all of the previous citation but then I can see the addition in the "controversy section" without providing a citation, or even a tag, strange, .. !!

There are some questions to be discussed: Where is the advertisement? Which links are supportive; which links are of the Local churches? Where is this local church? Please see more on the article page and its talk page.

I would ask for the other editors of this page to look into his edits and bring a NPOV in the article and also somehow to reach the general consensus. I have reverted couple of vandalism earlier but this time it seems that discussing the subject might be able to solve the problem among the editors. Best wishes, HopeChrist (talk) 22:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Greetings,


 * I have been open to objectifying the "local churches" article to a NPOV. However, it is clear that user Adminster is simply pushing an agenda...adding pejorative terms, then links to sites that are clearly biased, not objective, and have an obvious goal of "converting" people who read the article. It's very similar to James Dobsons' "Exodus International" attempt to convert gays to straight: these type of groups deny the very existence of gay people, stating they are confused Likewise, the only thing "controversial" about the "local churches" is that some American Christian fundamentalists are biased against non-white (Chinese) persons. We do not see the U.S. government rounding up local church members. We do not see accusations of polygamy. We do not see mass suicides. This is not a "cult." Despite 80+ years of existence and 4 million+ members worldwide, American fundamentalists think it their personal birthright to call it "controversial." If there is no "controversy" outside the religous sphere, then it is questionable whether it is "assuming good faith" to label this group by its detractors. By this definition, sure, Sarah Palin is "controversial" as defined by Democrats, or Obama is "controversial" as defined by Republicans (a "Muslim"--again, why is that "controversial"?. Using an objective, NPOV, however, there is no controversy. Ryoung122 08:43, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You make a very interesting point, Ryoung. While I hesitate to blame the bias on non-white individuals, I will say that their main issues with local churches is their break from traditional practices of worship, etc. Also, I do see your point about the controversy. Scientology is a controversial group, having been labeled as a terrorist organization in at least one country in Europe, but the local churches seem only to stir up emotional and subjective issues in their opponents. I'm actually looking into it right now, but I'm fairly certain that due to its content and lack of citations the controversy article could be shortened to two paragraphs and merged into the main page. I'll bring it up on the talk page and since User:Ad.minster never seems to want to discuss things, I'll probably make the merge sometime in the next couple days into a section called "local churches and the legal system," in parallel with Scientology and the legal system. Khalfani  Khaldun  15:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Heat vision
Hi there. You placed a proposed deletion tag on the Heat vision article. The requisite five days elapsed, but because I did not believe that this would be an uncontroversial deletion, I sent the case to AfD for a wider discussion. Your comments are welcome. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  21:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

PS3
Can't to you place in a chip that makes it take Norwegian/European games? TK(film) (talk) 20:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

There is no need, PS3 has no territorial lockout

School AfD
Highland Middle School (Louisville, Kentucky) was a mistake. I've (tried) to correct it.  Grsz 11  05:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

PSP
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:PlayStation_Portable#PSP_has_2.2C_333_MHz_processors._Not_one

PSP has 2, 333 MHz processors not one. I am an actual PSP developer, do not revert my edits again. I have provided 3 links there with proof to back up my claims. One being development tutorials.

Hopefully in the future you will do actual research before reverting edits


 * Just in case you ever happen to come back and read this:
 * a) Unfortunately, the references which I happened to have been reading were the ones that already existed in the article next to the data you were changing - and it was by those I chose to revert your edits. Please support such changes with references in the future so that you need not worry about mistaken reversions of your edits.
 * b) Please read WP:OR. I don't give a damn that you're a self proclaimed PSP-Programmer. Neither does anyone else here. That has no relevance when it comes to editing Wikipedia.
 * c) Please read WP:RS. Your development tutorials in no way fall under the realm of reliable sources.

It does have a damn when it comes to editing the hardware I develop on. It means I actually know the hardware (as opposed to you). It is completely relevant as it counts as a source. And they are not MY development tutorials in that I did not write them. And I'm pretty sure the API that lets you set the clockspeed of the second processor proves the existence of said processor.

"Please support such changes with references in the future so that you need not worry about mistaken reversions of your edits."

Please do research in the future so that you do not falsely revert edits from those who know more about the topic.

When Wikipedia's own hardware page supports me, I shouldn't have to cite it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Techni (talk • contribs) 08:40, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You really didn't read those links I mentioned at all, did you? Your personal experience, as per Wikipedia policy, is not a reliable source for anything. In addition, the psp-programmer website you mentioned is not a reliable source because it is not a "credible published material with a reliable publication process." Rather, it is much closer to a blog.


 * Supporting your changes involves including the references to your changes right there where you make them. If you don't do that, your changes will get reverted repeatedly, as the goal of Wikipedia is not so that users will have to do research to figure out where contributors are pulling information, but to be able to see right where the information is mentioned what their source is. Read: No one should have to do research in order to know your changes are correct. You are responsible for backing up your changes with credible sources. Unreferenced changes are liable to be undone repeatedly as per Wikipedia policy.


 * Please desist from further comments on my talk page as your arrogance is nothing less than headache-inducing. Khalfani  Khaldun  18:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

local churches (affliation)
The "local churches" were FOUNDED IN CHINA. How can they be "primarily U.S.-related"? There are local churches in China, Taiwan, Philippines, Spain, Russia, England, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, etc. There are more than 4 million members worldwide including over 1 million in China. Ryoung 122 05:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The issue was a language choice for the article, and since China does not primarily teach American or British English, and the United States is the country with the second-largest number of local churches (and is also the headquarters for the LSM, which, like it or not, is a central source of administration for the churches), American English is clearly more appropriate. I'm sorry I wasn't more clear in the edit summary. I like how you just chose to revert my entire edit without consideration for the other changes I made. If your complaint was for the English, you should have just switched that back, instead of adding back in a useless link. Your "contribution" did more damage than good. Khalfani  Khaldun  06:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want to make multiple edits, some controversial, some not, I suggest making ONE CHANGE AT A TIME. Whether you know it or not, the headquarters for the "local churches" is in Taiwan, where they have a 29-story building. But that wasn't the issue. The issue is that what people in the "local churches" believe, or what they teach, is not "original research" when it clearly can be found online, if you want to bother to check. Ryoung 122 09:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You're making this into a much bigger deal than you should be. Stop blowing things out of proportion. Look, I'll stop making the English edit, but that link is still bad and will continue to question that statement of their beliefs until a reliable source is there to support it. Khalfani  Khaldun  17:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Why is the link "bad"? Because it doesn't agree with your POV editing? I see you have a history of bad edits on this page. I suggest you find something else to do. Ryoung 122 01:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment. Removing links and then saying that a statement is "unsourced" or "original research" is unethical. Stop being a mosquito. Ryoung 122 01:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Stop for a moment and consider why the "local churches" are called "local churches." You are wasting my time.

How easy is this to Google?

Witness Lee Speaks on the Definition of the Ground of the Local ChurchThere is no record of more than one local church in a city—thus, .... The governing principle of one local church in one city stands firm and inviolate ... www.local-church-ground.org/definition-ground-local-church.htm - Similar pages Witness Lee on the local church: Revelation 1One local church equals one city. The size, the jurisdiction and the boundary of the local church must equal that of the city. ... www.local-church-eating.org/local-church/ - Similar pages Witness Lee and the Practical Expression of the Church—There Is ...In one province you may have many churches, but in one city you should not have many churches. One city should only have one church, one local church. ... www.local-church-expression.org/one-local-church/index.html - Similar pages Witness Lee on the Proper Practice of the Church Life—The Genuine ...In any city there is only one city hall. This preserves the oneness of the city. A local church is built on the ground of its locality. ... www.local-church-practice.com/genuine-local-church/index.html - 16k - Cached - Similar pages Witness Lee and Watchman Nee: the history of the local churchesThey are members not only of the one universal church, but also of the local church—that is, members of the church in their city. ... www.local-church-history.org/ - Similar pages

Now, you have no excuse...I have provided you with multiple, multiple citations. If you continue with your line of editing, I may have to report you. Ryoung 122 01:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * STOP RE-ADDING A NON-EXISTENT LINK Your edits are not useful to Wikipedia, and in fact, you are the only one violating Wikipedia policy. Feel free to report me if you must, but any administration intervention would be on my behalf. My citation question is not on what the local churches are, but the statement "Its members see themselves as part of God's move to recover lost truths and experiences and practices from the Bible..." While, being an active participant in the church life, I know this to be true, but it needs a source to back up the statement. Unfortunately a google search does not produce appropriate results for wikipedia as none of those pages you found meet the requirement that it has a "reliable publication process" as stated in the WP:RS policy. I'm not pushing any kind of POV agenda other than Wikipedia standards and policies, please stop being a pain in the ass and either make yourself helpful or go away. Khalfani  Khaldun  02:05, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: I thought you were trying to delete the "one church, one city" line. By the way, as you said yourself, "I know this to be true." Wikipedia only requires citations for controversial/disputed matter. Not every line ever written needs a citation. Read a book, is EVERY line, word, or phrase cited? NO. By the way, the Supreme Court just ruled that, just because a park has a Ten Commandments monument in it, doesn't mean that it MUST have all other monuments of faith in it. Ryoung 122 08:34, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * What bothers me is when people like you don't even bother to check before claiming there are "no sources." Of course you're wrong. This isn't about what you believe; it's about the fact that you keep trying to delete material that is correct and sourceable.

For example, http://www.lordsrecovery.org/history/iv.html

So, wrong again...you're 1 for 3 now. Ryoung 122 08:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think you quite grasp the purpose of the template. I'm not "deleting" anything. I'm not claiming there aren't any sources. I'm stating the simple fact that in the article, that statement is not backed up by a source and should be. I don't see what the problem with that is. Would you care to explain it to me? I think you're jumping to conclusions about my purposes in editing instead of assuming good faith.  Khalfani  Khaldun  15:56, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I need to explain something. The statement that I'm requesting a source for isn't be called into question in terms of its veracity or even its verifiability. I'm requesting a citation because... well, frankly I'm under the impression that any statement main in the opening text of an article should either be elaborated on in the main text of the article (since the opening is supposed to be a summary of the whole article) or provided with a source that provides ample information on the statement. As this statement has neither of those, and as such I believe it should be backed up by a source. Khalfani  Khaldun  16:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

My edits to Final Fantasy XIII
My response to that: Man, I really suck. That has bad judgment written all over the place. I wasn't challenging the single-player thing (Should of removed the tag there). Didn't know what DVD-DL was ('Course I knew after I took the effort to click the link). And I apparently can't read the word "controller" right. Otherwise, I need an eye exam. Severely sorry. ~ Itzjustdrama C  ? 23:58, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha. It's cool. Sometimes I jump the gun on reverting edits, too. It happens to the best of us. Khalfani  Khaldun  03:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a note, please no more reverts on Final Fantasy XIII. I've blocked User:Chardish for his 3RR violation and in the spirit of equanimity, I will administer edit warring blocks to all parties for subsequent reverts. In any case, the fact tags are gone; that there are no comments there isn't a big deal. Let it go. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 07:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Nonsense
I've just removed db-nonsense tags that you added to two different pages. This speedy deletion criterion is limited to pages that don't say anything meaningful at all. Both of the pages you tagged had content that had some meaning, even if you thought it was wrong or not suitable for Wikipedia. Please be more cautious in your use of this particular tag, but keep on working to improve Wikipedia! Thanks. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:44, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up. I'm sorry if I overused it a bit last night, but I know for a fact that when I read Process Patterns (which I just noticed needs to be moved to Process patterns) it made absolutely no sense to me. It may have been the time of day, since I've actually slept now, but it's still hard to piece together what the original author was even trying to say, and doesn't demonstrate any significance. Would it be better to mark these articles with prods right away, then? Or should I let them go and assume that they'll develop into something more significant in the future? I just discovered the new pages list last night so this is the first time I've ever gone through them and tried to help weed out the cruft. Khalfani  Khaldun  20:47, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

University of Texas at Austin
Here is what I was meaning, were it states "and styled 'The University of Texas"'' Texas Constitution of 1876, Article VII provided that "The Legislature shall, as soon as practicable, establish, organize, and provide for the maintenance, support, and direction of a university of the first class, to be located by a vote of the people of this State, and styled ‘The University of Texas’..."
 * Ok, I understand now. The problem with your edit, then, was just a) you spelled styled wrong (without the d), and b) it shouldn't have said "and styled as," but just "styled." The word is used as a synonym for 'named' (see the primary definition of 'style' here), though, so I'm not entirely sure how much of a difference it makes whether or not it is included in the article. =/ Khalfani  Khaldun  01:19, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Smallville
Thanks for that. They did the same for the season 7 page. I'm aware of the deadlink, I've been trying to find an archived version of the page, or at least a substitute for it. As for the IP "adding up" the viewers, those numbers on the season seven page are not accurate. To clarify, they are the estimated numbers that appear the day after an airing, and not the official numbers recorded that don't appear until 1 week later. I've been meaning to go in an swap them out.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  16:42, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

edward c green
terms of harvard contract were extended by university and funder contrary to information in original wiki post. therefore harvard related misinformation was deleted. Ijklmail (talk) 08:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC)ijklmail

Yahoo! Answers
Will do. I think your right, it is clearly vandalism. I imagine no one will complain about removing the template. Alan 16 talk  20:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Scott Ambush and Spyro Gyra
Since the subject of this article was a member of the band Spyro Gyra, while they were nominated for a Grammy 4 times, I think you might want to take this one to AfD if you believe this should be deleted, rather than cleaned up. It doesn't qualify for CSD, and both I and the author contest the PROD. Sorry to butt heads. Best regards. -- Oliver  Twisted (Talk) (Stuff) 08:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's ok. It's not so much that I think it should be deleted outright, but a lack of reliable sources leads one to believe that it doesn't meet WP:Notability. I'd sooner see it merged, though, since Spyro Gyra seems to be the reason he is notable at all, than worry about an AfD debate. Might that be a possible option? Khalfani  Khaldun  09:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Please feel free to propose a merge. Either method will buy the author a few days to find some print references. I grew up listening to this band, so I know there are plenty of sources out there. -- Oliver  Twisted (Talk) (Stuff) 09:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Yenepoya University
Often, the best way to deal with a copyvio article such as Yenepoya University about a notable topic is to cut it down to a non-copyvio stub rather than to delete it entirely. This is what I have done in this case. -- Eastmain (talk) 16:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

3RR
Thank you for the input when I was accused of breaking the 3RR. If I'm honest, I'd probably have taken leavesleaves words to be correct without checking. Thanks, Alan 16  talk  08:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Tagging for speedy deletion
Hi Khalfani khaldun. Thank you for your work on patrolling pages and tagging for speedy deletion. I just wanted to inform you that I declined to delete Suryaa (Tamil film), a page that you tagged for speedy deletion under criterion A1 because of the following concern: Please remember that A1 is only for cases in which there is no context to be determined in any reasonable way. It does not serve as a criterion to delete pages that otherwise fail CSD nor if context exists but is not as good as it should be. In this case the article is clearly about a film, thus establishing context. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion and especially what is considered Non-criteria. In future you should rather tag such pages for proposed deletion or start an appropriate deletion discussion. Regards  So Why  07:25, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I just don't feel like just knowing a page is about a film is sufficient context. For instance, the example given at WP:CSD uses "He is a funny man with a red car. He makes people laugh" as an example of no context, however you clearly know it's about a man. The problem I found with that article was that it was clearly about a film, but did little in the way of telling you any information about the film; instead it provided info about the people who worked on it.  Khalfani  Khaldun  07:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It did provide more than enough information: The name, country of origin, the year, the lead actors, the language, the director etc. It is enough to identify the subject uniquely, which is the point of context. That it's missing content to make it useful is another problem, but none that can be addressed by speedy deletion. An entry with "He is a funny man with a red car. He makes people laugh" on the other hand does not allow to identify the subject, i.e. what it is about. That's the difference.
 * PS: No need to talkback me, I'm watching this page. But if you use talkback, remember not to substitute it (or copy the code); just use instead. Regards  So  Why  07:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks for the clarification. I'm now one step closer to knowing exactly how to treat each new article I come across. ;) BTW, is there any chance I can get you to approve me for NPWatcher? I know I'm still not getting every CSD (or non-CSDable) bang on, but I'd guess about 1/50. I just want to see if it can help me out at all. Thanks! Khalfani  Khaldun  07:44, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. Before you dive heads-first in there, you might want to read one or more of the following essays on speedy deletion: WP:WIHSD✅, WP:10CSD✅, WP:A7M✅ and WP:FIELD✅. They provide helpful tips to avoid > 95% of common CSD mistaggings. Regards  So Why  08:05, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help/support! Khalfani  Khaldun  03:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * (←) Sure, you are welcome. If you need any further assistance, feel free to ask. Regards  So Why  07:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Eranjinkeezhil‎
This article was created and speedily deleted twice already under the name "Eranjinkeezhil ,Kadavathur". Tad Lincoln (talk) 04:46, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Previously speedy deleted items are not covered by any CSD. They must be deleted via deletion discussion for that to apply. Khalfani  Khaldun  04:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

One Cup
How do you know "many" don't use one cup. How many is many. That is POV also. What do they do if they don't use one cup. Please explain or provide a reference. I was just interpreting the words. You seem to be adding your own original research, or do you have a reference that speaks to that. If so it should be provided. Otherwise, stop with the POV edits. Appropo (talk) 08:00, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You'll find that in Wikipedia there is a concept called the burden of proof. This basically states that it does not fall on the editors who removes uncited material to try and prove it first, but the original editor who added the material. I have not added any material to the article, and thus my edits have not been to push any POV. Stop trying to wikilawyer me by twisting facts and policy. Khalfani  Khaldun  08:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Living Stream Ministry Footnotes
Just a paste to make sure you take a look at my discussion of the Living Stream Ministry edit concerning footnotes and subject headings, since I don't know how you guys are triggered to come into a discussion. How does that happen anyway?

[Page owner removed copied text from other talk page.]

Localchurch (talk) 16:48, 5 April 2009 (UTC) Localchurch (talk) 16:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The page is on my watchlist so I make sure to check in on what users are suggesting/saying over there. It's useful for keeping an eye on pages you frequently edit or those that are subject to frequent vandalism, and that way I can keep my talk page focused on personal issues people have with me and my editing. Khalfani  Khaldun  17:43, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Appropo (talk) 16:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Stained glass
I must just ask why you are pressuring a brand new editor to merge an article they have just begun. I am a major contibutor to the generic article on stained glass and as such, I am aware that the article is seriously taxed, lengthwise. There is simply no room for any detailed discussion of the vast area of creativity, the major decorative and figurative art of the medieval period- Stained glass windows. But because this editor is not wiki-experienced, naturally she says "Yes, whatever you suggest!" What you are suggesting is a bit like merging Ferrari with car or Beatles with popular music. Amandajm (talk) 07:01, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not "pressuring" anyone. Pressure would be going to his talk page and pushing him to do such, so watch what accusations you're throwing around. I simply made a suggestion on the talk page of the article, and that is all. I haven't even been back there in awhile. As for my problems with the article itself, a lot of the information is/was overlapping (history of stained glass, etc.), and I feel it is redundant to have both articles covering the same material. BTW, Stained glass isn't taxed because of length, it's taxed because of the excessive (even if appropriate) number of images on the page. Also, your analogy fails because Medieval stained glass refers to the style of a certain period, not a specific example of stained glass - so it would be more like merging two-door sedan with, well, sedan, which you'll notice is the way things are now. Khalfani  Khaldun  18:11, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The new editor had no sooner created and commenced writing the page than there was an attempt to redirect it and a discussion of merge/redirect. Being a brand new editor, and having other editors imediately swoop in with suggestions, naturally the editor said yes, possibly presuming that the people making the suggestions were specialists/major-contributors/strongly-interested in the subject. The first editor to intervene did so when the page was only two minutes old.


 * Concerning the content:
 * The generic article deals very briefly with some of the material which is in this new article. The new article goes into a great deal more detail about:
 * Medieval writers who mentioned or gave instructions for creating stained glass
 * How colours were achieved in ancient glass
 * The historic development of styles.
 * There is a great deal more to be said about this subject. And yes, you are right of course, in pointing out that this is not just one single important artwork, or the artwork of one single important artist; it is a whole period spanning about 500 years, thousands of different examples and the whole continent of Europe.
 * Can I suggest that you give the article time to develop?


 * Concerning the pictures in the generic article Stained glass- any article which attemtps to deal with a vast pictorial subject, (about 1200 years in this case) describing techniques, developments, designs and regional differences, needs to use a lot of illustrations. Galleries with descriptive text are ideal for this purpose. Every single picture has been chosen to illustrate an aspect of the text, or demonstrate a development in technique. See also Thematic development of Italian Renaissance painting.
 * Amandajm (talk) 17:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Dude, seriously. Calm down. It's been at least five days since I've even looked at the article, let alone mentioned merging at the talk page. I haven't even thought about it since I replied to you. Stop getting your panties in a knot over defending something I'm clearly not all that concerned about. I took your suggestion to give it time before you even came to my talk page in the first place. Khalfani  Khaldun  19:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Sexist comment Your comment is sexist. As such, it is inappropriate on Wikipedia. Amandajm (talk) 01:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you are talking about, the edit summary just caught my attention, and I felt I needed to add my 14.5 cents worth (I talk too much...). Anyway, Amandajm, I think you are being over sensitive. It is a commonly used phrase, and I've heard people use it when talking to men, not just women. So, it seems only inappropriate for me to end with, stop getting your panties in a knot. Alan 16  talk  01:19, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going to have to say that you're overreacting quite a bit. Alan's right. As a matter of fact, I've probably used the phrase more frequently with males than females. I read the comment you left on Alan's page, and I honestly have to say that I have never once heard someone in the States under the age of 70 use the word "knickers" in their daily speech. As such, "panties in a knot/bunch/twist" is used for both males and females. It's not usually considered sexist here, and you're going to have to accept that as a cultural difference between us instead of getting offended. Khalfani  Khaldun  02:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The Orthodoxy of the Church
Thanks for your help on The Autobiography of a Person in the Spirit. It was recently deleted. I think the same needs to be done for The Orthodoxy of the Church since it is the same in nature as was the other. Could you please set up an AfD for The Orthodoxy of the Church. Thanks, Appropo (talk) 22:33, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

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Rescheduled Colorado Wiknic
The Great Colorado Wiknic 2016 has been rescheduled from June 26 to August 7 due to a conflict with Wikimania 2016. My apologies for the inconvenience. I hope you can join us on Sunday afternoon, August 7. Yours aye, Buaidh  21:55, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Colorado Wiknic
Who: All Wikipedia and Wikimedia users and their families and friends are invited.

What: The Great Colorado Wiknic 2016.

When: Sunday afternoon, August 7, 2015, from 12:00 to 4:00 pm MDT.

Where: The Wiknic will be held at our home in Arvada. Please contact Buaidh for further information or assistance.

Please add your username to our attendees list so we know how many folks to expect. You can subscribe to our Wikimedia Colorado e-mail list to receive e-mail notice of future Wikimedia Colorado activities.

Sponsor: WikiProject Colorado

Your hosts: Buaidh & BikeSally (You can unsubscribe from future invitations to Wikimedia Colorado events by removing your name from the Wikimedia Colorado event invitation list.)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/The 50,000 Challenge
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New deal for page patrollers
Hi ,

In order to better control the quality  of new pages, keep out the spam, and welcome the genuine newbies, the current system we introduced in 2011 is being updated and improved. The documentation and tutorials have also been revised and given a facelift. Most importantly a new user group New Page Reviewer has been created.

Under the new rule, you may find that you are temporarily unable to mark new pages as reviewed. However, this is nothing to worry about - most current experienced patrollers are being accorded the the new right without the need to apply, and if you have significant previous experience of patrolling new pages, we strongly encourage you to apply for the new right as soon as possible - we need all the help we can get, and we are now providing a dynamic, supportive environment for your work.

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Invitation to the Seventh Annual Colorado Wiknic
Who: All Wikipedia and other Wikimedia users and their families and friends are invited.

What: The Seventh Annual Colorado Wiknic.

When: Sunday afternoon, June 25, 2017, from 12:00 to 4:00 pm MDT.

Where: The Wiknic will be held at our home in Arvada. Please contact Buaidh for further information or assistance.

Please add your username to our attendees list so we know how many folks to expect. You can subscribe to our Wikimedia Colorado e-mail list to receive e-mail notice of future Wikimedia Colorado activities.

Sponsors: The Wikimedians of Colorado & WikiProject Colorado

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Eighth Annual Colorado Wiknic
Who: All Wikipedia and Wikimedia users and their families and friends are cordially invited.

What: The Eighth Annual Colorado Wiknic.

When: Sunday afternoon, July 15, 2018, from 12:00 noon to 4:00 pm MDT.

Where: The Wiknic will be held at our home in Arvada. Please contact Buaidh for further information or assistance.

Please add your username to our attendees list so we know how many folks to expect. You can subscribe to our Wikimedia Colorado e-mail list to receive e-mail notice of future Wikimedia Colorado activities.

Sponsors: The Wikimedians of Colorado & WikiProject Colorado

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An invitation to the Ninth Annual Colorado Wiknic
Who: All Wikipedia users and their families and friends are cordially invited.

What:

When: Sunday afternoon, July 14, 2019, from 12:00 noon to 4:00 pm MDT.

Where: The Wiknic will be held at our home in Arvada. Please contact Buaidh for further information or assistance.

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Sponsors:  and

Your hosts: Buaidh & BikeSally  We hope to see you. (You can unsubscribe from future invitations to Wikimedia Colorado events by removing your name from the ) PS: The  has been nominated for deletion. You may wish to comment at


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The future of Portal:Colorado
On June 25, 2019, Portal:Colorado was nominated for deletion. (Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Colorado.) We have upgraded the portal and added several new features including selected Colorado articles, biographies, and images. If you believe the Colorado portal is valuable to Wikipedia, please help us upgrade and maintain the portal. Add your suggestions for improvement to Portal talk:Colorado. You may nominate additions at: Yours aye, Buaidh  talk contribs 17:01, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Portal:Colorado/Selected article
 * Portal:Colorado/Selected biography
 * Portal:Colorado/Selected image
 * Portal:Colorado/Selected mountain
 * Portal:Colorado/Did You Know

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WikiProject Colorado Zoom meeting 05/12/2021
WikiProject Colorado will hold a Zoom meeting at 7:30 PM MDT on Wednesday, May 12, 2021, for those interested in working on Colorado Wikipedia articles. Your suggestions and comments are appreciated. Information about some of the things we need to do is located at and

Topic: WikiProject Colorado May 2021 Time: May 12, 2021 07:30 PM MDT

Join Zoom Meeting https://us04web.zoom.us/j/78055623422?pwd=VUtPQVZrZzU1ZWVhZ0F1MExIeUQ2UT09

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WikiProject Colorado Summer Zoom Meeting
WikiProject Colorado will hold a brief online meeting at 7:30 PM MDT on Tuesday, August 10, 2021. See what your fellow users have been up to and share your interests and suggestions. Some requests are listed at and

Topic: WikiProject Colorado Summer Zoom Meeting Time: August 10, 2021 07:30 PM MDT

Join Zoom Meeting https://us04web.zoom.us/j/74506020308?pwd=eTFPSlkzOUg0bTE2SVdXUnl2SVY4Zz09

Meeting ID: 745 0602 0308 Passcode: Colorado

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2020 United States Census for Colorado
I've posted the results of the 2020 United States Census for Colorado at WikiProject Colorado/2020 Census. You may wish to update your existing Colorado articles with this data.

Yours aye, Buaidh  talk e-mail 04:53, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

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Brief online meeting of WikiProject Colorado
What's up with Wikipedia and WikiProjectColorado? Join us for a brief online meeting at 7:30 PM MDT Tuesday evening, November 9, 2021 at https://meet.google.com/wyz-dfek-fdp

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WikiProject Colorado online meeting 02/08/2022
What's up with Wikipedia and WikiProject Colorado? Join us for an online meeting from 7:30 to 8:30 PM MST, Tuesday evening, February 8, 2022, at meet.google.com/ksx-wksh-eba

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WikiProject Colorado online meeting 05/17/2022
WikiProject Colorado will hold a short online meeting from 7:30 to 8:30 PM MDT, Tuesday evening, May 17, 2022, at meet.google.com/zwd-ojag-enp

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WikiProject Colorado online meeting 08/16/2022
WikiProject Colorado will hold an online meeting from 8:00 to 9:00 PM MDT, Tuesday evening, August 16, 2022, at meet.google.com/bqn-jhaw-ewc. Anyone interested in Colorado is encouraged to attend.

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WikiProject Colorado online meeting 11/15/2022
WikiProject Colorado will hold an online meeting from 8:00 to 9:00 PM MST, Tuesday evening, November 15, 2022, at meet.google.com/yoe-aphc-wey. Anyone interested in Colorado articles, history, or photographs is encouraged to attend.

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Wikimedia US Mountain West online meeting
Wikipedia users in the United States Mountain West and High Plains will hold an online meeting from 8:00 to 9:00 PM MST, Tuesday evening, February 14, 2023, at meet.google.com/kfu-topq-zkd. Anyone interested in the history, articles, or photographs of our region is encouraged to attend.

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Colorado Collaboration invitation
WikiProject Colorado invites you to participate in our current collaboration to locate and document the following two original 1861 Colorado Territory county seats: If you have any questions, please contact User:Buaidh (talk or e-mail).
 * Parkville, Colorado, the original county seat of Summit County, Colorado.
 * San Miguel, Colorado, the original county seat of Costilla County, Colorado.

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Colorado collaboration
We wish to thank everyone who contributed to our two prior Colorado collaborations to document the Amache National Historic Site and our three lost original county seats of Parkville, St. Vrain, and San Miguel. We invite you to help with our new collaboration to document the seven following former county seats: If you have any questions, please contact Buaidh  talk e-mail
 * California Ranch, Colorado near Franktown – Douglas County seat 1864 to 1874
 * Dayton, Colorado near Twin Lakes – Lake County seat 1866 to 1868
 * Hahns Peak, Colorado – Routt County seat 1878 to 1912
 * Lourette, Colorado – Lake County seat 1863 to 1866
 * San Juan City, Colorado – Hinsdale County seat February 10, 1874 to 1875
 * Ula, Colorado at 38.15°N, -105.5019°W – Custer County seat March 9, 1877 to 1878
 * Wason, Colorado near 37.8931°N, -106.8428°W – Mineral County seat March 27, 1893 to 1893

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Wikimedia US Mountain West online meeting 05/09/2023
Wikimedians of the U.S. Mountain West will hold an online meeting from 8:00 to 9:00 PM MDT, Tuesday evening, May 9, 2023, at meet.google.com/kfu-topq-zkd. Anyone interested in the history, geography, articles, maps, or photographs of the Mountain West or the future direction of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement is encouraged to attend. Please see our meeting page for details.

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Wikimedia US Mountain West online meeting 08/08/2023
Wikimedians of the U.S. Mountain West will hold an online meeting from 8:00 to 9:00 PM MDT, Tuesday evening, August 8, 2023, at meet.google.com/kfu-topq-zkd. Anyone interested in articles, history, geography, maps, or photographs of the Mountain West or the future direction of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement is encouraged to attend. We may try to organize one or more Wiknics. Guests are welcome. Please see our meeting page for details.

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US Mountain West online meeting November 14
Wikimedians of the U.S. Mountain West will hold an online meeting from 8:00 to 9:00 PM MST, Tuesday evening, November 14, 2023, at meet.google.com/kfu-topq-zkd. Anyone interested in the Mountain West or the future direction of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement is encouraged to attend. All guests are welcome. Please see our meeting page for details.

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Denver gathering
We will hold a casual Wikipedia gathering at the Gonzales Library at 1498 North Irving Street in Denver, on Sunday afternoon, February 11, 2024, from 2:30 to 4:00 PM MST. See details at Meetup/Denver.

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U.S. Mountain West Online Meeting
Wikimedians of the U.S. Mountain West will hold an online meeting from 8:00 to 9:00 PM MST, Tuesday evening, February 13, 2024, at meet.google.com/kfu-topq-zkd. Anyone interested in the Mountain West or the future direction of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement is encouraged to attend. All guests are welcome. Please see our meeting page for details.

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WikiProject Louisville Newsletter
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Wikimedia U.S. Mountain West Online Meeting
Wikimedians of the U.S. Mountain West will hold an online meeting from 8:00 to 9:00 PM MDT, Tuesday evening, May 14, 2024, at meet.google.com/kfu-topq-zkd. Anyone interested in the Mountain West or the future direction of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement is encouraged to attend. All guests are welcome. Please see our meeting page for details.

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