User talk:Khoikhoi/Archive 13

Is Wikipedia here for Snark or Contibutions?
Reverting the vandalism back from the Tarkan talk pages: Can you tell me what exactly about the pure snark added by some anon who didn't even have the guts to leave his sig have any redeemable quality for you to revert back to - when what was removed was for vandalism purposes? I was so surprised as we all know how wonderfully helpful you've been in all things Turkish on Wikipedia... 82.145.231.24 07:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Because it is not contributing anything relevant or significant. That "corny" line which "sounds lame" was cited from a reputable collegiate paper in America (one of the oldest). Furthermore the sacarstic implication that Tarkan is a one hit wonder (in Europe and Latin America) which obviously is not the case - why does the vandal have a problem with this title? Possibly because like other people on Wikipedia - you play to your own prejudices. Plus why didn't the vandal put a sig? And finally it was considered vandalism enough to be REMOVED by a user. Frankly, I don't see this a legit comment at all, and it just makes you more illegit. Checking through your edit history it shows how biased you are towards any Turkish related pages, maybe you should patrolling pages you could actively contribute to in a worthwhile manner - and not to revert or reinsert petty comments made on the run. 82.145.231.218 16:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank You
Thanks for your welcome. :) Doluca 17:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Responded on behalf of Turkish people
Sheesh, that's become a circular argument regarding Turkish people. Yeah, is it just me or is Azeris taking a lot more time and effort than the last two? Not that I mind too much, but boy I'd sure like to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah, busy, busy, busy. Yet I find myself coming here anyway "for a minute" which ends up an hour or two at least. ;) Tombseye 20:26, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah I might go for a peer review next time, but it's the same thing anyway. I mean either way people respond and critique and you rewrite. If I do a peer review and then go to the Featured Article stage chances are the same problems will come up, only twice. A good solution might be to talk to the various folks who have brought up some valid criticisms (Tony's definitely there) before the nominating process and then go into the FA nomination. Either way there's no easy solution and the only way to make an article pass is through a lot of proactive involvement, that much is clear! Tombseye 20:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Man you ain't kiddin'. After all this work, Azeris should get two days on the Main Page! Tombseye 20:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Picture of Azari Refugess
Although I am concerned and upset about both Azari and Armenia refugees and beleive they are essentially the same people, on an academic basis I question this picture being posted on this article. It seems to be POV, and once again the article seems to be getting a non-neutral, biased Republic of Azarbaijan tilt to it again. I object to the posting of this picture and I also ask all editors to consider the changes being made recently. 69.196.164.190

URMIA-people
Dear Khoikhoi,

I noticed that you have made some seemingly-minor, yet rather significant alterations to the People-section of the Urmia page. You have, for instance, removed the portion which stipulates that the Kurds currently constitute a majority in the city. With all due respect to your credentials and reputation, I firmly believe that you do not possess sufficient knowledge in the case of the demographics of North-West Iran. Furthermore, the latest edition made by Heja helweda does- to be frank- disrupt the flow of the sentences, thus making them look less effective and credible. The following sentence, for instance, "Kurds are settled in and around the vicinity of Urmia" is a restatement of a fact, for the reader already knows that Kurds live in URMIA, hence the sentence becomes ambigious(as the article is entitled "Urmia"). The aforementioned quote does not give any historical context, unlike the previous edition. Hence, I would respectfully request that you revert back to my edition. Let me also add that I am not affiliated with any political/religious/etc. parties/ideologies. Hence, my contribution to Iran-related articles are objective. I remain,

Shahram12

Istanbul images
I added a category line "Category: Istanbul images" to the images I uploaded. But i dont know how to create a category. Can you help me with that? also, is that a proper name for a category. (btw, shall we also tag them as Turkey images?) DeliDumrul 06:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

witnesses
I honestly believe that there was a lot of bad will on behalf of the powers of the day, as they were eager to carve up the sick man of Europe. Sadly, religion played a major role as a means to an end in this struggle just like it did for Stalin and the Soviets when the Germans invaded during operation Barbarossa. I have noticed that the witnesses that the other side mention tend to be relgious figures or persons with deep religious convictions, others tend to be second hand wintesses getting information from questionable sources. Also, nobody is denying that massacres didnt take place. In those chaotic times Im sure a lot of bad things happened and both sides are to blame. It was quoted by a historian (I dont recall who) that an empire in decline is a very dangerous empire indeed. We have seen this throughout history and one could argue that we are seeing it today with the United States and the very aggressive stance of the current administration. I do have one question though to illustrate my point regarding the Ottoman empire: Suppose a hypothetical situation where Israel is being invaded by arabs and the shear existance and survival of the country is at stake, do you seriously believe that they would hesitate for a moment to use their nuclear arsenal? Would you blame them for doing so? The US used the nuclear weapon for much less: to diminish the cost in manpower that a conventional war would lead to. Let me know what you think! lutherian 06:29, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Placenames: Finally I think we're OK
Khoikhoi I edited both Alexandroupoli and Xanthi as we discussed. I believe now everything is OK. Since you are interested in Greek and Turkish related articles and since you have edited in the past the Greco-Turkish relations article, maybe you should edit/watch it more often:). Last time i checked it out there were massive nationalistic/propaganda views regarding Greek airspace violations (!!), the recent sad death of a Greek pilot, Smyrna/Izmir etc etc. I think your comments and edits would be most welcome.Regards.Mywayyy 11:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
thank you very much for your welcome... I have one question if you don't mind... I'm trying to edit and create pages of my local city and the local traditions .. obviously i can't find books or websites for referencing.. can i use my own experience and knowledge for that? thank you again Josef.b

Former subject

 * Selam Khoikhoi, about think of me there is a simple fact. These two toponyms, Machakheli and Machakhlistskali, are Georgian words. And we should write them in same form, like Gori, Poti, Alazani etc. Today, Turkish Machakheli is called Camili, but the name of Machakheli is used by Camili’s Georgian people as Machakhel (When they speak Turkish) or Machakheli (when they speak Georgian), traditionally. But, the part of Machakhlistskali in Turkey, is called Macahel Deresi, not Machakhlistskal. This guy, I see, is very aggressive in Turkish Wiki, he has no respect about Georgian articles in Turkish Wiki. There are many examples, if you want I will give you. And he doesn’t know literary Georgian language, I see when we talk Georgian in Talk:Adjara, but he talks about Georgian grammar. I cannot find any word to say about this situation. Yours sincerely.--SidE 19:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Turkic People
The information on the article and the subject page are different. The paragraph was not the summary of the article. A summary from the article (whenever it's finalized or at least mature) should be added. I want to revert your change, if it's ok? DeliDumrul 19:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Either we call it an overview or a summary, the information should match on both pages. As the main article should act as a source, the information on the subject page can not contradict. These kind of bits and pieces of information left around would let people to add little bits of POV to an untrackable number of pages.

And about the Ararat page, I explained the reason. The article is about Ararat Mountain, not the people that might have live on it. I'm saying "might" just because there are a lot of contraversial and disputed pages on related subject and there is no need to one more with two small sentences. I have a strong belief that you will at least partially agree with if you think twice. DeliDumrul 19:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

About the along with the many ethnic Armenians who lived in the area part; I'm not arguing this is a fact or not. This section of the article talks about the history of the mountain and upto the last sentence how it changed hands. I removed that part because it's irrelevant to the section.

Just like that the Kremlin retorted that although the Turkish symbol was the crescent, surely it did not mean that they laid claim to the moon. phrase uses an inappropriate word like "retort" and how Kremlin tried to humor itself is again irrelevant to what happened. They basically refused Turkey's protest (if they did, again I don't know and I don't wanna comment on it), their rude answer (international diplomatic ethics) should not be included. About the Kurds i was more concerned with the name of the site than it's contents. DeliDumrul 19:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you meant "Kremlin" not "crescent" (?). Anyways, I don't have enough background to compile such a section about Ararat. However, I have adequate background to see that it's not appropriate as it is. What do you suggest as immediate action? We can put a link to main article and tag the section as stub? DeliDumrul 20:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I've never been to the area, so i'm not sure if it's now predominantly Kurdish or not. To my knowledge, their number should be less than that when you go north to Ararat. I don't want to be a pain in the neck, but that might need a tag. Thanks, DeliDumrul 20:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks again DeliDumrul 20:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Bosphorous, Yeni Mosque and Ishak Pasha Palace look good. But I couldnt see the copyright information. Not that I know sh.t about copyright :) DeliDumrul 20:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll try to colorize the Ishak Pasha one. I tried another picture today and the result was terrible :( maybe this one will be a little bit close to success. DeliDumrul 20:59, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * :) I didn't know that there was one, but I thought there should be :) What I want to do is to have a historical color photo. I can take the new photo as a reference for colors. Actually, I'm just practicing and it's more fun to play around in Photoshop than to write articles (esp. for a lazy person like me). Taking "any contribution is a contribution" as my motto :) DeliDumrul 21:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know this is my second try. It should take from 30 mins to an hour. Depends on your speed and how much accuracy you want. What i'm doing is just overlaying colored patches on the original image. DeliDumrul 21:29, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * What do you think? Image:Ishak Pasha Sarayi colorized.jpg DeliDumrul 22:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I finally realized what was wrong with the picture. It should look much more natural now. Image:Ishak Pasha Sarayi colorized.jpg DeliDumrul 22:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The difference is at the lowest part of the photo. Before there was a loss of depth and the palace itself looked like it was hanging in the air. Anyways, it's a minor change but took me 10 mins of staring in the picture to find what was bothering me. Ok, I'm not gonna bother you anymore :) DeliDumrul 22:29, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Oopss, my bad! I'll fix it immediately. Is it supposed to be Ishak Pasha Sarayi/Sarayı or Ishak Pasha Palace? Thanks DeliDumrul 23:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You gotta keep it more clear when you are talking to me :) What do you mean by original? Should I assume Ishak Pasha Sarayi. DeliDumrul 23:26, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Re your question
1 + 2 + 3 + 4. However, see this, which hasn't been answered yet. Regards, :N i k o S il v e r:  21:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi there, man!
I really came to the point of not bothering myself on the concerns of some post-Özalian youth living abroad (especially in the western hemisphere) who feel themselves bestowed with a mission of defending the image of Turkey. I will try to have a look at the discussion but it seemed to be (at least, now) too complicated to "deconstruct". BTW, did you see Space Is the Place? Well, man I'm tellin' ya that's sumthin' good! Ciao!--Behemoth 22:45, 25 June 2006 (UTC)--Behemoth 22:46, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * My mind is so f. invaded by your American tongue that I saw the word "Yol" and I thought what da...? Is it another sci-fi film with a constructed language and what indeed this "Yol" refers to? Then I clicked on the link and I saw that it was Yol! Of course, I saw it. D'you know, my mom played in another Yılmaz Güney film Umut. It is perhaps more striking indeed, a more cruel version of Italian neo-realismo but you sure will have more difficulty in finding it...--Behemoth 23:16, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...Yılmaz Güney killed the savcı (this is not the "judge" but "public attorney") of Yumurtalık (his name is Sefa Mutlu) in the presence of many witnesses. This is true. It's not a vice of the police. He was a Maoist but never a "staunch" one, else he would engage himself to one of the Maoist organisations in Turkey at that time. --Behemoth 23:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Man, what happened to your user page? --Behemoth 23:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * OK. Did you see Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song? --Behemoth 23:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Dude, Melvin van Peebles is an important guy. He is one of the *censored* who felt the Black pride when he disembarked himself on the soil of France, like Josephine Baker. You see, I've never been to the States but my brother used to live there and told me how people stared at him when he dated a black woman; he is white :-) And this is, southern California. I guess that the s... called the "race relations" occupies an important part of an American's living. And dude, d'you believe there are 300,000,000 of them!!! ;-) --Behemoth 23:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I dunno who put the tag but in fact Adana massacres alarmed the end of İttihad ve Terakki and Dashnak alliance. You see, in that land deaths are statistics. What matters is the roles played in the power game. This is the main course of historiography. If the Shoah were to be emerged there, the people would talk about the strategic mistakes of Hitler, not the faces of the victims. It is sad. --Behemoth 00:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC) I thought you used to be in good terms with him. I cannot confirm that is Sedat himself, may be one of his employees. Did you see the new deed of USAK in International Strategic Research Organization about System of a Down? I love that *censored* thing too. Draw no trouble :D --Behemoth 00:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Khoikhoi. I sometimes fail to conceive the sensitivity of racial jargon for the Americans. I really appreciate people who care for me better than I do and also (you won't believe) occassionally even try to understand them...Also, that SOAD thing is really funny, huh? --Behemoth 00:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Dinner? I think I'll go to sleep. It's even too late now. Bon appetite...Ciao! --Behemoth 00:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Westbroek
Thanks! The reason I originally came to wikipedia 3 years ago was to add information on towns in Utrecht, so I'm glad that there are people who appreciate those articles. And today I have been adding maps to a number of other Dutch towns, so I've uploaded one for Westbroek as well. Eugène van der Pijll 23:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

It's interesting how there is almost no information on Westbroek on the web, while there are so many people with the last name 'Westbroek'. You may want to consider contacting this artist from Westbroek and ask her to contribute. DeliDumrul 14:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Placenames
Hi. what is this (1) that u write in the edit summary of 'specific' articles u revert? --Hectorian 01:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * At least the greek name is listed next to Istanbul in Cities of Thrace... Istanbul is also a city of Thrace, u know. and having in mind its significance and history, i find it ridiculous to have alternative names in other thracian cities, but not in Istanbul... i just do not find that NPOV. --Hectorian 01:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I do not care what other users may say (in this case, what Mywayyy may say). i have explained my position to u long ago (and also longer ago, but i am too lazy to search in your 12 (!) archives:) --Hectorian 01:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Khoi, we've done this conversation before... i AGREE with u! but why not add it in Istanbul? it doesn't make any sense... --Hectorian 01:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * How dare u!!!!!:p. maybe some turkish editors see the case as such, though...a history book would help them in this case! btw, i liked this edit summary of yours a loooot!:D --Hectorian 01:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've actually seen one of them say that, along with the user who called adding the Armenian name to Ardahan "vandalism". Hey, wanna help me tag all of Inanna's images for deletion? :D &mdash; Khoikhoi  02:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd be glad to help:D. but tomorrow, cause i have to sleep now... honestly, i liked one of her images... but i have found a better one for my userpage now:p --Hectorian 02:07, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Interested in joining WikiProject Armenia?
Hey Khoikhoi,

You seem to be interested in Armenian-related topics and I wonder if you'd be interested in joining WikiProject Armenia? If you do, be sure to place your Wikipedia username under the participation list and next to it the flag from the country that you live in. -- Clevelander 01:28, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * That's fine! :D -- Clevelander 01:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Khoikhoi, check this out :) Chaldean 14:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Again on Machakheli
Hi Khoikhoi. I noticed your message on the SidE talk page. He will probably give you the best answer but I can contribute too if I may. The people of Macaheli are autochthonous ethnic Georgians, actually an ethnographic subgroup of the Adjarans, who speak a dialect of the Georgian language and are predominantly Muslims, especially on the Turkish side of the border. You see some of them (eg, Macahel vs. SidE, who speaks also brilliant literary Georgian) prefer to identify themselves as "Adjars" rather then Georgians because in their eyes "Georgian" means "Christian". Ethnic policy of the Ankara gov and the notorious Turkish scholar Zeyrek have also contributed to that. The latter insists that the Adjarans descend from the Turkic people of Kipchaks who were recruited by the medieval Georgian kings as mercenaries (you might wish to check my article about Kipchaks in Georgia). However, there is not a single archaeologic or historic evidence to support this theory.

Some of the Macaheli Muslims left their homes when the Russians took control of the area in 1878. Their descendants currently live in Sakarya Province, NW Turkey.

Btw, I've posted a few photos depicting the Adjaran folk culture on User talk:SidE. I think they can also further enrich your awesome ethnic gallery:). Regards, --Kober 05:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Khoikhoi! The people of Machakheli is Georgians, no doubt, not only the people of Machakheli, the most of people in Artvin province are Georgian origins. I don’t live in Machakheli, but my ancestors are from Machakheli. Thanks. --SidE 06:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Machakhel-Macahel (Machakhel-i is a product of Kartvelian lobby)
Selam Khoikhoi, there are many pictures of Machakhel-Macahel on that website: www.macahel.com You might use the link of "Fotoğraf Galerisi" at the menu of website.

Kober's and SidE's answers are not comletely correct. As a historical concept of Georgian is very controversial and it has religious root. Georgian, or ‘Kartvelian’ identity is defined in especially religious and linguistic terms. Religion held a major role in the formation of the ‘Kartvel’. Ajars accepted Islam and they have not used anymore this historical and religious word of Kartvel. Also before this, maybe they have used that word, only when they were a part of Kartl Kindom. They have already defined themselves Ajars! Yet in Ajaristan, Ajars have two identities. They are ajars as a social,territorial identiy and Kartvel as a citizenship, not in historical meaning. Ethnic policy of Georgia and Church try to convert the Ajars to that historical and religious identity. Also they have a lobby in Turkey, for spreading to their ethnic policy in Turkish Ajars. Mr. Zeyrek is a historian, who has introduced that foreign ethnic policy and lobby. He presents many historical evidence related Ajars in his book, Ajaristan and Ajars. He says also in this book, that Ajars descend from "egerian"!

And it is clear that the people settled in Machakhel don't use Machakhel-i, when they speak the other languages. There are many associations, publications and websites that use Machakhel, not Machakhel-i. Furhermore in Ajaristan side of Machakhel, they use Machakhel-a, again not Machakhel-i. They can not provide a proof for spelling Machakhel-i, except for Georgian language or in publications of that lobby!--Macahel 09:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Spes ultima dea


Ciao,

alex2006 14:56, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Greco-Turkish relations
Hi Khoikhoi, your recent revert undid quite a bit of work by myself, especially the rewrite of the "Aegean dispute" section - was that on purpose? I thought the old one was pretty poor, as it was confusing all the different issues (airspace, 12 miles, FIR etc) and was also unduly pro-Greek in some details. - As for the city names, I don't quite see why the article should systematically favour the Greek ones over the currently official Turkish ones in that section. In an article focussing on Greece, okay, but this one is about Greece and Turkey, so there's no need to favour the Greek perspective on the naming question, is there? Not that I'd care much either way, though. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:07, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sigh... Names... ;-( I'm not sure the concept of "officially known as" is very helpful for Ottoman times. The "official" name of Ist/Konst would have been "Konstantiniyye", wouldn't it? But of course we don't use that here, it would be a bit like insisting on "Freie und Hansestadt Hamburg" for Hamburg, or "Baile Atha Cliath" for Dublin, or... well, not quite. Anyway. The real Turkish name was surely Istanbul all along. (Stambul etc. in westernized form.) And Izmir - well, Turks didn't just invent these Turkish names after 1923, did they. I'm not sure if they had any concept of "official names" previously, but I'd guess they would have used the Turkish names in Turkish throughout. Anyway, I'd prefer to avoid the confusing shifts within the article and go for "Izmir (Smyrna)" or "Izmir/Smyrna" throughout, for places that were Ottoman/Turkish throughout the period in question. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way, you might be interested to see User talk:SotirisVa. He's a new user and honestly trying to do some useful NPOV job on that article. And I think he has a point about a few things. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * To tell you the truth, I'm loath to do another names revert on that article right now - I guess I'd actually be violating 3RR somehow or other. Anyway, let's just give the matter a rest for the moment. I should be doing some useful work anyway, or watching soccer, or celebrating my new (not quite politically-correct) "did you know" entry... :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Friends, here's my opinion on the subject: Ottomans captured Istanbul in 1453. It's more than 500 years now. It's perfectly OK to remember and mention the name "Constantinapole", especially considering its importance for the christian world, but calling the city like that today is a little awkward. It is the same as calling all of the cities in US with their old indian names, as Colomb landed on the continent in 1492, which is after Istanbul became an Ottoman city :) (please don't give me exception examples of cities with native indian names now, I hope you understood my point with this example) SotirisVA 20:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Placenames 2
U think i am overdoing it?... Yes, Κερασούντα is pronounced Kerasunt-a! (u know how to read greek script by now!). the turkish name is a corruption of the greek one. the second one, no... Melitene is 'Μελιτινή' in greek. Malatya is 'Μαλάτεια', prounounced as it is... I am curious to see what some editors will say/do when/if the greek names will be removed...:p. Check your email as well! --Hectorian 21:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * LOL. it is OK, is u do the same in e.g. Simi and Kalymnos... if not, it is just POVish, and i will revert your edits... --Hectorian 21:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I may can (i did not bother to see if i am close to 3RR as well), but i won't. i reverted the 2 last edits of yours. it seems that things are in tension, so, if i make any change in Simi or Kalymnos, someone will probably attack me, or even worst, the articles will be protected, as Alexandroupoli is. so, i just make respective articles seem like the greek ones. i will be waiting... the countdown has just begun...:) (by the way, i can find the greek names for every place in Turkey:p)... So, the comments by those who were talking about 'rules' and 'books' and 'different sections and articles' and 'not the same as Istanbul', are welcomed. --Hectorian 21:54, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't bet on that, cause i know u can... What i also know is that more than half the placenames will be greek, with a bit turkish accent or grammar (Atina, Yannina, Tripolitsa...). about the Aromanians, i guess u are talking about the Aromanians in greece. i am totally unaware of the existance of non greek identifying aromanians (although i was raised up among fellow aromanians!). the only one i know, is Margaritis... so this makes a percentage of 0,0003% or something:) --Hectorian 22:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Not at all. it is an idiom, a vulgar tangue with no written form. we learn it as children, through our parents (without this meaning that we only speak it at home... we speak in aromanian if we meet an aromanian and feel like talking in aromanian, with no restrictions in schools, army, public places and all this bullshit that some editors try to push). but if u considered that we have always been bilingual, in greek (that has a written form - at least standard greek- and can be taught) and aromanian, younger generations know (or better: can understand) aromanian, but prefer to speak in greek. --Hectorian 22:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It won't die out during this century (if i'll ever have children, at least:p). ok, seriously, it is in danger, but there have been some steps in preserving it. i think that it will be like Manx or Cornish language. close to extinction, but suddenly revived. but i bet that the aromanians will remain what they have always been: bilingual. btw, do u know Hebrew? or not at all? --Hectorian 22:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hehe, even i do know 'Shalom'! anyway, i gotta get some sleep... See u soon:) --Hectorian 22:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The sooner the better:) --Hectorian 23:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikibreak template
Do you think you could put a wikibreak template for 7 weeks for me? I would be exhuberant. Thanks! Afghan Historian 22:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Perfect Afghan Historian 23:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Mount Ararat
I think the new edit deleting several centuries of history is wrong. Can you investigate? Ssilvers 03:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * He did a great job rewriting the older history stuff and I helped with a little copy editing. My apologies for wasting your time.  Man, when I'm wrong, I'm wrong.  -- Ssilvers 23:02, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Macahel-Machakhel
Dear Khoikhoi, actually there is no politic problem about Macahel-Machakhel. Nobody considers them. They satisfy themselves on Internet, like this (making editwar for Machakhel-i).

Another link for photos of Macahel-Machakhel

Photos of Macahel

Azeris
Oh man, you left at the worst possible time. Well, not really as it can wait. Anyway, if you are at some internet cafe in Israel, then perhaps you can respond to this: Of course, if I don't hear from you soon, I'll take down the picture temporarily until you come back from your trip. Anyway, we'll see what happens. Have a great trip! Tombseye 14:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Have a nice trip
Please let me know the good food you had in Israel! --Gokhan 14:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

"Names of ...cities" AfD
Hi, these three articles you voted on the other day have been deleted despite numeric majorities for keep. See User talk:Mackensen for background. Would you be interested in a Deletion Review? I personally haven't got enough stake in the articles to initiate one on my own, but I'd certainly support if others did. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * have your say on the appeal here:[] Carlossuarez46 20:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Tibet
This user seems pushing pro-Dharamsala POV into the article. Could you please kindly take a look at it? - 219.79.120.230 07:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * "Pushing pro-dharamsala?? Wow! Where am I?? Me 03:33, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey Khoikhoi, I think User:True tibet is back, this time as User:My Tibet. Honestly though, can't something be done with people who personally attack other users on their talk pages? This is getting somewhat annoying.
 * Also, you might want to take a look at the v. interesting remarks left at User talk:True tibet if you haven't already. =) -- ran (talk) 12:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ran, how low can you go?, :) Ha! You have it now but you will lose it some day! I can gang up on you too, buddy. If Khoikhoi is trully pro independence she sure doesn't edit in that direction. What a strange combo, Ran and Khoikhoi! Come on! The article on Tibet needs improving! My spouse is Tibetan and says it's very bogus. Who should people believe? A Tibetan person whos family ran across the mountains on foot almost lost their lifes, it must have been fun for them, like it's for you guys, chatting away about someone elses lost home. Me 03:33, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

You know, Khoikhoi, all we would need right now is a real Chinese patriot to arrive and look at some of our edits on Tibet, Xinjiang and elsewhere. Then I will certainly be labeled a traitor of the motherland, and you will certainly be called a foreign imperialist, and of course, that Chinese patriot can then get into a huge flamewar with My Tibet, and the two of them will be able to keep each other occupied while you and I can finally get back to NPOV editing. -- ran (talk) 21:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

ASALA page
Khoikhoi my man, I recently got nominated for a 3RR violation :) by some user who is constantly pasting information on the ASALA page that is directly plagiarized from the internet. The information is events that pertain to the attacks but they come from Turkish websites which are heavily slanted and are akin to something like yellow journalism. Granted, ASALA committed lots of attacks but my comments against this purported Italian-American user was that he is violating copyrighted information and that the attacks should be worded differently. He is constantly threatening me and I have now been accused of "vandalism". Also, one of his sources is called "A myth of Terror" and the overtly racist tallArmeniantale.com, another source that denies the Genocide and very racist in nature, both works exclusively deny the Armenian Genocide in which he presents as a neutral and "independent" sources which they obviously are not. Can you please tell him this so he can understand I have no problems with the content but his constant meddling with the article tries to portray ASALA in a more negative light than a NPOV light and accusing me of forwarding a "political ideology". See here for comments and here for his plagiarized work  Thanks.--MarshallBagramyan 21:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks
Hope you're having a most excellent trip right now. Thank you very much for the support on my recent RfA, which I'm quite happy to announce has passed with a consensus of 67 supporting, 0 opposed and 0 neutral. I'm glad you took the time to consider my candidacy, and I'll be working hard to justify the vote of confidence you've placed in me. Let me know at my talk page if I can help you with any admin-related tasks, or simply if you have any comments on my performance as an admin. Thanks! TheProject 22:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

RfA Thanks


Central Asia
WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created! Aelfthrytha 21:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Pontian Greek Genocide
Im back to greece and as i had told you i did have a look on bibliography for this article. its quite simple: i couldnt find any academic books/articles or even an entry in an encyclopedia on the issue.actually in the encyclopedia it mentioned "deportation" but not "genocide" or even mass executions.--Greece666 00:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Georgia Move
As a past participant in the discussion on how to handle the Georgia pages, I thought you might be interested to know that there's a new attempt to reach consensus on the matter being addressed at Talk:Georgia (country). Please come by and share your thoughts to help form a consensus. --Vengeful Cynic 04:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

and another Poll...
Hi. There's a debate about how much "X-ian" one must be in order to be considered "X-American" (or X-Yian for that matter) and be categorized as such. The poll is here: WikiProject Ethnic groups/Rules for lists of X-Americans. Kindly weigh in! :N i k o S il v e r: 22:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Naming conventions
hi, i inform u that in accordance with Naming conventions (geographic names) i removed the names of the hungarian kingdom administrative divisions that were provided as alternate names for contemporary romanian administrative divisions from the leading paragraph in their coresponding articles Criztu 10:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC) criztu

Abkhazians
A collection of photos of Abkhazians, specially for my dear friend Khoi :) enjoy. The old woman on that photo is about 133 years old. She could sing and dance better than me. Ldingley 17:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Macedonia (terminology)
Well, that'll be the first article we're not bitching too much about! :-) :N i k o S il v e r:  22:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Problems with User:Hadi1121
Could you please have a look at People of Afghanistan, Hazara, and Tajiks. The above mentioned user is vandalizing by changing population numbers, nationalities (for example his claim that "Avicenna was a Turk"), etc. Thx Tājik 00:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Problems with User:Tajik === ==

Please look at Hazara and Afghans. After all these years of sourced figures, this user is vandalizing the figures in the article. Moreover, he is only accepting sources that favor his thoughts because he belongs to a different ethnicity - Tajik and the article is about a different ethnic group - Hazara. Please resolve this dispute. Thank you. User:hadi1121

'Virgin suicides' save Turks' 'honor'

 * 'Virgin suicides' save Turks' 'honor' (IHT)

Hi, I added the above to Batman, Turkey and would appreciated it if you could keep an eye on it and expand things as you see fit. I also added it elsewhere &mdash; Ka-Mer, Snow (novel), Accession of Turkey to the European Union... Enjoy your vacation. &mdash;Moby 07:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Little Willy

 * moved here from User:Khoikhoi by Moby

Willy honey, you keep deleting my text, this has only led me to believe that what I asked you has hit a nerve. I will say it again while I am still allowed before the NAzi's delete what freedom people have. I BELIEVE THAT LITTLE WILLY HERE AKA WILLIAMTHWEATT. IS FALSIFYING INFORMATION. I HAVE ASKED HIM ABOUT THE SUBJECT, AND ALSO WHERE I SHOULD ASK HIM ABOUT IT SO AS NOT TO BREAK WIKI RULES. NOT ONLY IS MY QUESTION CENSORED, BUT NO ANSWER FORTHCOMING. I BELIEVE THAT THIS USER IS ABUSING THE SITUATION. I AM NOT AN EXPERIENCED WIKIPEDIA USER AND BELIEVE THAT HE IS USING THIS TO HIS BENEFIT. I AM COPYING AND PASTING THIS TEXT IN AS MANY USER PAGES AS I CAN. PLEASE DO NOT INTERPRET THIS AS VANDALISM, I AM ONLY TRYING TO ROOT OUT HOSE WHO SEEK TO SUPRESS THE TRUTH. I AM NOTHING BUT WITH THE POWER OF INFORMATION WE WILL SUCCEED. PLEASE ASK WILL THE QUESTION ABOUT HIS CLAIMS OF KHMER LANGUAGE ABILITY, THEN YOU WILL SEE THE SMALLEST LIE ON THE PATH TO INJUSTICE AND CORRUPTION. PLEASE RELEASE THE TRUTH AND STOP WIKI-CORRUPTION. Theonlyzarni 01:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)]

Hey
Welcome back, Khoikhoi!:). Hope u had a good time the first days, cause things are really awful there now... btw, remove the msg that u are away from your talk page as well:p --Hectorian 00:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hectorian was quicker ... welcome back, K-man! Where can we read the accounts of your travels and where can we see your pix?


 * Here's to continued good cooperation! Cheers, Krankman 00:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone has sent for the cabal!
A Mediation Cabal case in which you are named as a participant has been opened. Please read and participate at Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-17 names of administrative divisions of Romania. Your friendly cabalist, Stifle (talk) 20:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply
Hi Stifle,

We actually had a huge discussion on this last year at Talk:Harghita County/Vote. To me it seems that Criztu is pretty isolated on the view that historical names should not be mentioned in the lead. Also, he hasn't edited since the 19th. Do you suggest we have another vote? &mdash; Khoikhoi  21:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer to keep discussion about this on the actual mediation page, if you don't mind. Also, voting is evil. Stifle (talk) 21:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Please click on the link at the end of the last sentence of para.2

the wider urban agglomeration has a population of 1.3 million

The data in the cited reference link contradicts the claim that Thiruvananthapuram has 1.3 million population. Please edit it. Actually nowhere it is mentioned that Thiruvananthapuram has more than a million population.

Welcome Back
Khoi, what’s up? Welcome back. How was Israel? Did you feel the tension in Jerusalem? It’s my dream to visit the holy city, Bethlehem and Nazareth. Some day I’ll go there. I came back from n Ireland and Ethiopia. Ethiopia is an amazing place indeed. The old Abkhaz women claimed to be 130  but I was not sure how accurate was that. I didn’t talk to her, she did not speak Russian. She only knew Abkhaz. But she was singing and even dancing. That was something. In Abkhazia and Svanetia you can meet people who are over 100 years old. In Soviet times, it was very common. I remember one yogurt commercial in US in 1980s. There was a Georgian old man, eating this yogurt and smiling. The commercial clamed that if you eat this yogurt, you may have lived just like that Georgian grandpa, over hundred  Its all due to fresh air, well balanced diet, lots of physical work and relaxed life. People in Abkhaz, Svan, Khevsur mountains never worry about anything or have ever knew what stress means. However, after the collapse of ‘evil empire” this has changed dramatically. Ldingley 15:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Khoi, question: I have photos of Ethiopians (some mine, some by others). Should I upload to Commons or here? I’m very bad on tagging these images. What do you recommend? Thanks Ldingley 17:38, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The other one
The other one ;) Dahn 19:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, dude, I want to avoid stroke-inducing situations tonight :). I've seen that page before, and I did some commenting on the poll that was taken on some other page. I'm involved in precisely the same kind of dispute with precisely the same guy on Talk:Transylvania (starts under Talk:Transylvania and keeps going) and on its offshoot Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-17 Transylvania article. I cannot handle any more of that particular user's sophistry just now, but your opinion on the link you provided has my full support. Dahn 20:04, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * In the end, I couldn't refrain from leaving a comment. It itched too much :). Dahn 20:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * They suck the self-restraint out of me every single day... Dahn 20:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

References problem
Thanks for updating the reference style on Cave of the Patriarchs massacre but I'm afraid you've deleted several of them - you've replaced references with tags. Could you please go back and restore the references that you deleted. -- ChrisO 22:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's the diff to help you out. -- ChrisO 22:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the use of this image
Calling this image part of the 1920 Bolshevik occupation of Baku is completely erroneous. The hats worn by the soldiers appear to be 1930s-WWII era and not the pointy ones worn by Soviet soldiers during the Russian Revolution. The vehicle has to be at least 10-15 years early for its time. The rifles are German Mausers (nearly all Soviet soldiers used the Mosin-Nagant back then), the machine guns held by them are Czech made ZB vz.26 which didn't arrive in use until 1923-1926. They look like soldiers arriving back since many of them are decorated. Someone doped you dude.--MarshallBagramyan 23:04, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Gaumarjos Macahels
Hi Khoikhoi!


 * Macahel is only true man says facts?! But these facts are very different in English Wiki and Turkish Viki. Why? I can’t understand. The problem is only that, Ich glaube. Sorry, we couldn’t know all Georgian words to write without –i. GAUMARJOS MACAHELS!
 * Pardon me, there is a web site also: Macaheli
 * Yours sincerely! --SidE 11:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Elie Wiesel
I'm not really disputing that Chomsky and Finkelstein said any of that, but I think that the criticism just seems like normal stuff that would be directed towards someone who is both prominent and pro-Israel, it doesn't really seem all that original.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 17:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I didn't mean to imply that it wasn't directed specifically towards Wiesel, I just mean that the criticism was only said because Wiesel is pro-Israel.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 18:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

No, just that it is important to understand that he is being attacked for his personal politics rather than anything that he has done wrong.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 18:15, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Whoa, good timing! Welcome back (in one piece)
Hey man, what up? Good to hear from you. You sure chose an 'interesting' time to go to Israel by the way. How was it? Anyway, yeah look at the Pashtuns page, it's now got a zillion pictures some guy put in. Azeris has some issues as well it seems. I've been in and out myself for a while. I'm in the middle of getting some essays written and moving to New York so it's been hectic. Anyway, enough about me, give with what happened. I'll bet you didn't imagine in a million years that you'd be going there during a conflict, eh? Meet any hot Israeli or whatever chicks? There has been a lot of changes in a lot of articles too. Too many to name. Sometimes this place changes in like 2 seconds. Anyway, you should replace the picture on Pashtuns with the one you had before someone complains about the copyright issue. Great to hear from you man. Let me know asap what went down. ;) Tombseye 22:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Mmmm, scantily clad Israeli chicks... Heh heh. Sounds like a blast. I'm frankly jealous and it's gotta be cool to tell people, "Yeah I was there when the fighting broke-out. I was, of course, completely not afraid." That's really cool though man. So how were the Bedouin? Did they try to make you eat stuff that we might say is unusual? Nightlife in Tel Aviv better than anywhere else in the country? Oh and I noticed the debate about Wiesel on your discussion page. Yeah I've read a lot of Finkelstein's work myself. You should read this section about in Noam Chomsky's book Understanding Power. It'll so piss you off to read what the faculty at Princeton did to him just for being academic and no apology after vindication either. He really goes after Wiesel too over the Holocaust Industry as he calls it. Finkelstein's parents are also Holocaust survivors so it really bugs him when people, as he sees it, use it for political reasons. Avi Shlaim's the Iron Wall is also a good book on the issues of the Arab-Israeli conflict. More controversial is Benny Morris who has written stuff on the conflict as well and believes that complete expulsion is what should have been done if Israel is remain Jewish etc. I saw Shlaim at as a guest speaker when I was in the UK. He's pretty good. Thanks for the luck. Given the odds I'm up against, I'm gonna need it! Oh and I think I took care of the Azeris deal. Any word on the fair use of the pictures of the old dudes for Azeris and the wedding party for Pashtuns? Ciao. Tombseye 23:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, Khoikhoi, for your welcome. Maias 01:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Wali Khan article
Hi Khoik ..I've been struggling with my article on Wali Khan and getting help as far as other pashtun articles are cocnerned. Getting help is a real struggle! I won't be on Wiki as much either..do you have any suggestions on people I can collaborate with? --Zak 13:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, out of date
Your source is out of date, if you still bother to search try one from 2001 or later not 1992!

Your source:
 * According to the latest 1992 census, 1,624,959 persons living in Romania identified themselves as Hungarian while according to estimated data, the number of persons whose native-tongue is Hungarian exceeds 1.8 million.I


 * In Transylvania, ethnic Hungarians make up 20 percent of the population. They constitute a closed compact bloc mainly in the Szekler Region.

This one is old, now there aren't any 1.8 million but 1.39 millions-- Eliade 17:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC).

The only one in hand is official Census from 2001. -- Eliade 17:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Since there isn't any official data for the region Transylvania but only for the 41 individual counties, I computed like that: I made the sum of all the counties from Transylvania and made the %-age of Hungarians of it. It's actually about 15% in whole Transylvania, because there are also Hungarians in Bucharest :) -- Eliade 17:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't forget, there are now in 2006 about 1.3 million Hungarians in Romania. -- Eliade 17:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Just look at demographics, in 1992 there were 1.7 million (6.7%), after 10 years, 1.4 million (5.5%), now we are in 2006, in 2010 it will be probably 1.1 million Hungarians. Don't forget this happens also to Romanians, who were very motivated to immigrate especially after 1990 when economic conditions were pretty harsh.-- Eliade 17:51, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Like other nations they stopped reproducing that much in difficult economic conditions, a little part it may be have gone in Hungary, but Hungary's economic level is not much better than in Romania (even now, it's only 1,3 times better), so I don't think that they went in Hungary, for let's say work if they did.-- Eliade 17:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you understand now better: "transition period" from communist state to free-market based economy. -- Eliade 17:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

What do you want to know about transition? I can share with you some thoughts...Just let me know, and, I'm glad to find someone interested in this region.-- Eliade 18:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

So, you do have a connection with Romania! That's so great, ussualy americans are ignorants to others but them. Regarding to the trend I'm pretty sure about it. It will continue but not in an assimilation way if you would think in those terms. Now we build European Union, everybody is free to go and work everywhere, regardless if you want to study, work, vote in other country :). Preservation of each nation is a condition to the principle of EU: Unity through diversity. The Hungarian minority will be compensated by other new in Romania, from Asia,..but also from Germany, Italy, France. There are more and more people coming from these countries to make a bussiness here and they ussually find a great romanian woman and they get married quickly. So, they are making new families and everybody is happy.-- Eliade 18:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

State or Republic? what is California? I know it's state, but why on flag is Republic? Do you speak spanish also? Are there problems with spanish-language people? Can you easily integrate in California? -- Eliade 18:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding to your question if Hungarians in Romania face discrimination similar to other countries, I would say that in other countries and also in Romania, minorities are protected. A minority is a valuable resources, a connection to the others. Much effort was done in order to diminish any form of discrimination, if you would refer to ethnic discrimination it's not about Romania any more. As a future member of EU, Romania adopted very positive measures to protect minorities, and not only to the Hungarian one. This is very positive thing. Look at US where is federation of states was build on this principle. In US there are a lot of romanians, poles, germans...

Now I do think that the most important word is: integration. You can be in US and still read a newspaper from Romania, or Iran let's say, very easily. If you don't integrate then you'll be isolated. If you accept the challanges of this new world which are globalisation, integration, cultural opennings and exchanges, then it will be good for you and you'll take profit of it. Else, you'll get isolated. Why have you gone to Israel? -- Eliade 18:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Kartvelian lobbyist encyclopaedia!!!
Gamarjoba Khoikhoi! Here is a page of Georgian Soviet Encyclopaedia. There are four articles: Machakhela (musket), Machakheli (valley and community), Machakhelistskali (river) and Machakhlispiri (village). Kolay gelsin!--SidE 07:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

List of persecuted Turkish writers
The article wasn't deleted, as you may or may not have heard elsewhere, so I'm canvassing opinions for what to rename it to/merge it to on its relevant talk page. All reasonable suggestions will be entertained. BigHaz 10:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Feedback
Hi can you look at this article and this article:. Some unfortunately Turkic nationalist users are taking articles from this site which is a propoganda site and cut & pasting it to make weired articles. For example the Scytho-Iranian theory articles tries to make the claim that the fact that Scythians are considered Iranians is a big conspiracy and uses old books and selective references. The article violates wikipedia's NOR policy but I am not sure who to talk to about this matter. --Ali doostzadeh 11:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help. The whole article  is actually just a conspiracy theory article with cut & paste material from another web-site.  Please see the web-page if possible.  Is there way to nominate it for deletion?  --Ali doostzadeh 02:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:AIV
Do not post IPs that have not recently vandalized. Do not say that they didn't stop after a final warning when they actually did. IPs are often dynamically assigned, or by people who are just passing through briefly. There is no point in blocking an IP that hasn't edited in three hours when it is likely that the block will either be useless, because the IP wasn't going to do any more vandalism anyway, or that the block will prevent a totally different person who never vandalized from using Wikipedia. —Centrx→talk &bull; 21:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

question
Khoi, whats up? What do you think about this conflict (Israel-Lebanon)? Im interested in your oppinion. 200 Kids are killed so far, and it has really depressed me couple of days now :( When war started, I sided with Israel. I still belive Hizbullah should be wiped out. However, the cost if too great. Ldingley 02:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Cypriot Turkish
Thanks for bringing it to my attention, its a good article to have, us Cypriots are proud of our different diallect. --A.Garnet 11:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry for interfering... It is indeed a good article concerning the language, however, i would like to point some things: It is not spoken only in Cyprus (and not only in the Northern part of the island) but also by the turkish cypriot diaspora in UK, Turkey, etc. Another thing (quite important for this article) is that the turkish cypriot dialect, as far as i am aware of the topic, is not the official language of TRNC... standard turkish is, right? --Hectorian 13:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Your right, Cypriot Turkish is spoken in Britain, with a sizeable population in Australia too. Greek and Turkish are the official languages of Cyprus. Officially neither the RoC or TRNC differentiate between Cypriot Greek/Cypriot Turkish and mainland Greek and Turkish, their language is only considered a different dialect of the two (as far as i'm aware) --A.Garnet 21:51, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * To Khoikoi, i tried to reformulate the Karavas sentence, i see that you have seen it. Thanks, --A.Garnet 21:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah GC and TC did live together, but they were always socially at arms length from one another. British rule of the island never created a nation, all it took was nationalism by one side (calls for enosis (union with Greece)) to spark nationalism in the other (calls for taksim (division)). Also it depends what period he was referring to, official Republic of Cyprus history likes to paint the point upto 1974 as harmony until the Turkish army came, which is obviously untrue. Intercommunal conflict started as far back as the late fifties when TC's were drafted into the British police force to fight GC's seeking union with Greece, and fighting hit its worst in the 60's. I'm sure there was a time when TC and GC lived peacefully together, but on the back of the Greco-Turkish rivalry, Christian/Islamic divide and nationalism, conflict was probably never too far away (having said that, i'm far too young to know the period this old man was talking about :)) --A.Garnet 22:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

-Inanna-
You saw my remarks in Talk: Pontian Greek Genocide page:) Inanna seems to have aroused interest within Turkey too though, and that's what is even more interesting. I glimpsed through the whole affair. I do think that, whatever the differences of opinion and style, some expressions are better left non-used. You are assuming too many ungrateful tasks Khoikhoi (mischievously sometimes), that must be one of the main reasons. Regards :) Cretanforever

Sorry Khoikhoi! You should ask that to mongers of Category: Kurdistan and Category: Kurdish inhabited regions and likewise shit. If they know so much on Turkey, they should be able to locate a few Hungarians. I am opening wikipedia just to make sure that there isn't any enormous junk. No hard feelings! On another note, you should go and say hello to my sister. She is in Foster City. Cretanforever p.s. I did indicate the district where descendants of those Hungarians are.

Well, if you have to drop by near Bobstay Lane some day, give me a call beforehand:) --Cretanforever 11:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh boy, don't you know California as big as Turkey :-) No hard feelings!!! --CalWikiUser 06:37, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Khoikhoi, am living at Redwood City? Where do you live? --CalWikiUser 06:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Scytho-Iranian theory
Hello, Khoikhoi, I appreciate your advice, and would like to discuss (or, rather, seek consultation about) your comment. I would rather talk than write, can I call you or have you call me? I have a ton of specifics that lend to a quick Q&A session and may be formilized, if needed, later. Thank you, Barefact 20:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I would actually prefer to write—it can be by email, IM, etc. if you want. If you really want to talk, you might try asking someone else about the policy, a good place to go is Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). Sorry about that. —Khoikhoi 23:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Barefact"
 * Hello, Khoikhoi, I appreciate your answer, and would appreciate further advice. What e-mail I can use? I do not have IM, or inclinations to spend time staring at the computer. I think I am still confused how this "Talk" works, seems that I am never sure I am doing it right or that I am doing it in the right page. To start, the article is mine, completely original, and it is a "tertiary" level, it is assembling from bits of published works, not one of them was academically written by less than a PhD. The original disclamer on the citations allows to use the citations (or in whole) free for educational purposes, and that diclamer is mine too. So, what the e-mail I can use? Thank you,Barefact 00:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry Khoikhoi, just wanted to respond to the above person. Actually besides the copyright the article by the above user was false since it claims there is a western conspiracy to be politically correct and claim Scythians as Iranians whereas I doubt every western scholar (and there is hundreds of them) has been paid to make such a case.. Unfortunately conspiracy theories are big specially in the ME.. --Ali doostzadeh 05:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Scytho-Iranian theory Copywrite infrigement label
 * This is to certify that I hold the copyright to this Scytho-Iranian theory material, and I have permission to use this material under the terms of Wiukipedia license.


 * This article should be restored once Wikipedia is found to have copyright permission


 * Barefact 16:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Note this article is up for deletion. You may want to weigh in. -- Slowmover 19:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

ASALA article
Sorry, I thought that the previous version was the one I originally revised (which is the one that you reverted to). Keep an eye on it. Most of the article previously had information directly lifted from Turkish websites (such as the Chronology section). -- Clevelander 20:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

hungarian names for administrative divisions of ROmania, and for geographical places administrated by Romania alone
I will revert to no hungarian alternative name for a county of ROmania, just as Britannica does. U could instead provide the hungarian name in the demographic or History section, where mention of hungarian minority is given. Criztu 21:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I will revert to no hungarian alternative name for a geographical place entirely in ROmania, just as Britannica does. u could instead provide a note to how ethnic minorities living in Romania name that place in their language Criztu 22:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

listen, i proposed mentioning the name by which hungarian minority living in Romania refers to counties of Romania in the Demographics section. If u dont find that satisfactory, i can not do anything more to explain you my reasons. You can see i dont remove any hungarian name for a city in Romania, as i consider them Legacy names, I am trying to explain my actions, i told you about Naming Conventions in encyclopedias, since Wikipedia doesnt have clear naming conventions, Britannica expertise cant be dismissed. since Britannica does not provide hungarian names for administrative divisions of ROmania, i will folow Britannica naming convention until a explicit Wikipedia naming convention will be enforced Criztu 18:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Brest, Belarus
Hi! Please note that it followed from two month long discussion at the talk page to list all city names other than Belarusian on a separate page of city alternative names, and provide a link to that page. --KPbIC 22:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Orhan Pamuk
Please don't leave misleading edit summaries like this one where you said you had "(fixed some POV issues)", and you had clearly inserted some. If you want to reinsert them, then please make sure you reference them all. VERIFY is non-negotiable policy. Tyrenius 00:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Nicely done. I'm sure you understand why I wanted to be insistent on this. Tyrenius 01:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

You too. Let me know if you need amin assistance any time. :) Tyrenius 01:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Was a pleasure
Regarding Kos, I'm always happy to help :-) As for Bonaparte, I arrived too late; Dmcdevit has already dealt with him. Whenever you need my help, don't take problems asking. Ciao! :-)--Aldux 18:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You will loose Khoikhoi at the end. Aldux caro mio, mi piace tutto di te, per favore, lascia perdere...adesso Bonaparte non è qui. --211.216.60.149 07:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

About Agir
I added some links, from a English-Kurdish dictionary and also a reference to the name of the province in Kurdish. Hope that helps :)Heja Helweda 22:39, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Edessa
Hello, Khoikhoi. have u got any idea about what happened in this article?: Edessa, Greece. --Hectorian 23:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the advice, Khoikhoi. Always helpful:). btw, nice new pic in your user page... a typical american one (many guns)!:p --Hectorian 23:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hehe, i know. I bet he is from Savannah ! ...oops, i meant Adjara;). --Hectorian 23:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow! no, i was about to choose between Atlanta and Savannah, and then thought that we are not talking about the capital... so, i picked Savannah! what a coincidence indeed!;) --Hectorian 23:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

question
You are right, they are different but closely related issues; but I'm sure about calling Turanism as Turancılık in Turkish and the Turkish name for Pan-Turkism shall be Pan-Türkizm.--Hattusili 05:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

good point, I think the map shall be replaced by a proper one including Hungarians, Finns, etc. I'll try to find a new one. And what do you think about merging the articles? I think we can place Pan-Turkism as a subtitle in the Turanism article.--Hattusili 05:49, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you think of this?
I think it's User:Alexander 007 as he/she requested a transfer of username: User:Winona Gone Shopping. Check this User:Winona Gone Shopping/Osama Bin Laden, Take One and this. Your thoughts? E   Asterion  u talking to me? 11:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not sure. Totally bemused here. I guess she or he is just kidding about, maybe trying to see how long before a trigger-happy new admin block the account... E    Asterion  u talking to me? 23:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Aha, I see. E    Asterion  u talking to me? 00:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

You are back and I am on my way
Frankly, i didn't recognise that you came back. Where have you been? Were you in Israel? After a week, I am joining the army and my adventure at Wiki will be delayed for an indefinite time. Ciao! --Behemoth 12:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Because I am obliged to. Ha, ha. Haven't you heard of anything called conscription? How was it in Israel? Are you now convinced to make an aliyah? :-) --Behemoth 20:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Iraq, Lebanon...I don't know. I even don't know how long I will be a "soldier". Maybe six months, maybe a full year. It fully depends on the position I'll be assigned to and it will be revealed on Thursday. On Saturday, I am gone :-( --Behemoth 20:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll drop you a message when I get the news. Take care. Ciao! --Behemoth 21:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Page Protection (re: Comment on Tyrenius' Talk
I'd suggest taking the issue to WP:RFPP. Such a large change should be proposed properly. Regards, alpha Chimp  laudare 19:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * list 'em as a single request, with multiple articles mentioned (same as the pokemon request that's currently on top). Let me know if you have any further questions. alpha Chimp  laudare 19:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Drop it Khoicoiule, what's the matter with you? --217.113.234.7 19:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was offline. It seems to have been sorted out? Tyrenius 20:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I've done that. You might want to check history here. Some haven't been reverted. Note the redirect from IP to your user page at the top of the list. Tyrenius 20:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! :)
Sorry I didn't earlier, as I didn't notice until reading the history just now, but thank you for undoing the vandalism on my user page. Orderinchaos78 21:16, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Noisettes
Are you sure he is Bonny? Can you provide a dif with Bonny's trademark? abakharev 22:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Many Examples
I know about Lefteris Antoniadis. (bet u had not heard about him before;)...). Even if his original name is greek, it is not even in parenthesis! ...and i know that when the turks are talking about the greek orthodox in Turkey, may have everyone but not him in mind, although he is greek orthodox (but not included in the minority!): his name 'Lefter'<-Lefteris<-Eleftherios (greek word for freedom and commonly used in Greece, and there is also a greek saint (for both Orthodox and Catholics), who served as Pope ...). but what's the point? if u say that he is, some will say "no, his name comes from 'le-ft-er' or something, as they say for the name of Istanbul... In fact there are many examples of turkified Greeks: Sinan (may was Armenian), Anthopoulos Costaki, Barbarossa, Grand Viziers like İbrahim Ethem Pasha and Pargalı İbrahim Pasha, Zaganos Pasha, Valide sultans like Kösem or even Huma Hatum, Mehmet the Conqueror's mother ! but of course, none of them was a Janissary, a slave, a turkified by force or even a non-turk:p! the problem is that at that time 'turk' was perfectly equal to 'muslim'... some modern turks though, still believe this ottoman misconception (mixed with kemalistic unhistorical claims that the turks are aboriginals in Anatolia!). anyway, i think i got carried away;). i may create an article including all these people. afterall, the existing sources are rather valuable (but i know that such an article will be vandalised daily....). Adios --Hectorian 02:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I added the name in greek characters. i am not 100% sure that he is greek orthodox, but i am 100% sure that he is not muslim. if he had converted to islam, he would have a muslim name, not a greek one (especially not this one!). he may be atheist, who knows...? the fact is that the turks consider him a turk, just because he has turkish citizenship (but they do not do the same for all those players of turkish extraction who play for the national teams of Germany or Switzerland for example, and who do not have turkish citizenship...:/). i think that the current title is the best for the article, since this is the name under which he became famous. but it would be NPOV enough to redirect Lefteris Antoniadis there, and keep the greek name in parenthesis (in the first line!). i also have it in my watchlist now... meanwhile, check your email;) --Hectorian 03:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I found a link concerning the past and present situation of the Greeks in Turkey, from the Human Rights Action. it would be interesting enough to use some material from this in articles concerning Turkification or Human rights in Turkey. However, i am not sure if this source can be considered reliable enough or not. What do u think? --Hectorian 03:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Azerbaijani people
I agree. --GoOdCoNtEnT 07:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

ASALA
Hey KhoiKhoi. Thanks for keeping an eye on the ASALA page. Some folks are trying to put in POV original research (like the chronology).--TigranTheGreat 08:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Very beautiful Fenerbahçe SK done
Thank you very much.

List of states where language is a political issue
Jinkies Thanks. Sometimes my hands move faster than my brain. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 19:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Malatya & Trabzon
DMCdevit asked someone to look into it because he's a bit short of time at the moment. It seems pretty clear that these IPs are the same, although nothing is conclusive. One of them has been blocked already. Of course, with a dynamic IP, the user can continue to login to cause problems.

I don't believe Mac Duach has made any further appearances, although it regularly occurs that someone stops by to put Gaeltacht towns to their "right names", not understanding the difference between "official" and "English". Bastique &#09660; parler voir 19:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Re: semi-protection. You've got them on your watchlist.  I'm not sure that semi-protection is yet called for, but if it continues to remain a problem, certainly...  Bastique &#09660; parler voir 19:27, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

You've got a Thank you card!
  Open your card! Dear Khoikhoi, thank you so much for your beautiful words, your kidness and your trust in me. My Request for Adminship is finally over, and the support and appreciation that the community has gifted me will stick in my mind as long as I live. I have no way to properly express how grateful I am to you for all you've done for me, and all I can tell you is, I'll try not to disappoint you nor anyone else with my use of the buttons... and if I mess up, make sure to come here and give me a good yell! :) Seriously, tho, if you ever need my help, either for admin-related stuff or in any other way, you'll always be welcome to message me, and I promise I'll try my very best. Dear Khoikhoi, this is the perfect opportunity to finally speak to one another after reading your words for months and months. I am sure that we'll be able to talk often, and trust me, it'd be my pleasure. Both your contributions and, most important your warm way to deal with others made me notice you long, long ago; and being supported by a person I look up to, like you, meant the world to me. I sincerely hope this is but the beginning of a friendship, and such thought fills me with joy. I've got one question, tho, dear - if that's not you at your page, who is he? I'm just utterly curious :) With a big hug, your friend,  P h a e d r i e l   ♥   tell me  

Help...
Could you give some advice on how many countries should be included in the infobox at Greeks (the first 10 or the first 20 etc...). Check Greek diaspora to see the latest figures - they don't all fit in the infobox, and I think the present one is oversized. --Telex 21:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Greek names
Hi Khoikhoi. i saw that the greek names have been removed from various articles (Izmir, Malatya, Trabzon) by IPs and 'just registered' users who have also pushed POV in Graeco-Turkish related articles. I'm not going to revert again at the moment, cause i do not want to break the WP:3RR. i appreciate that u spent some time in order to inform admins about that. what irritates me a lot, is that when the turkish name is removed from e.g. Chios, someone immediately reverts, and if the anon who wants it "his way" comes back, the article gets semi-protected, the IP blocked (or the user, as u know, indefinately banned)... If the way to attract the attention of the admins is to rv the articles about the greek islands and cities in Western Thrace, i'll do it myself, and i bet that it would be rather hypocritical if someone gets me blocked or even tells me off... --Hectorian 00:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, i am patient;). Thanks --Hectorian 00:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Are u interested in seeing something that looks like the greek equivalent of George W. Bush (concerning the "linguistic murders")? check this out;). --Hectorian 16:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * 

if she had not committed all those Greek language related murders, some users here would say that she is another Greek nationalist, claiming Istanbul back!:p (btw, in the interview she said " 'Constantinoupolis', as we all say).--Hectorian 11:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Help with move
Hey Khoikhoi, can you help me with moving Yerevan Brandy Factory to Yerevan Brandy Company? I translated from Russian to YBF but in English the company is registered as YBC.--Eupator 02:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. For some reason I thought you are.--Eupator 03:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:World War I
Please do... By the way, thanks for your welcome! SPECTRE 03:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It's settled, then. We'll leave your version. See you around, pal! SPECTRE 03:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

All right, I'll keep that in mind. SPECTRE 03:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Zeytin and Manicotti
Hi there, I've noticed you editing various pages I've been looking at too, Izmir for example. I think the users User:Zeytin, User:Mehter and User:Manicotti are sock puppets of one another or maybe somebody else, and saw you said something similiar. Who do you think the main user is? Both of those users are making clearly POV edits without discussing them (and caused Greco-Turkish War to be protected, for example) and I'd like to stop them. --Awiseman 06:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your message. Back to editing :) Heja Helweda 03:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Scytho Iranian Theory
The whole article breaks the rules of NOR. He admitted himself that he wrote the article, therefore that is origional research and agains the rules.Khosrow II 04:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * yes, i know about its copy right status, but what are we going to do about the way it was written, by the person it was written, and for the website it was written. how do i nominate the article for deletion?Khosrow II 06:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I do not see your whole discussion, but what I see is total ignorant nonsense. The article is of a "tertiary" nature, it reviewed and summarized the observations found in scientific literature, almost every statement may be supported by academic citation, except for very few general but pertinent statements, like the unproductivity of the theory, which in 150 years did not produce any archeological link or ethnological attesting to connections with the present-day Pashtu, Persians, Dari etc. The abscence of the mentioning of the differing views makes the whole illumination of the Scythian/Sarmatian/Alanian question deficient of all the historical richness of the subject. Nuking the whole article, or vandalizing it by deleting factual portions of it does not serve any good purpose. The Iranian theory was concosted by racists of the past century, the pseudo-Araian racists who crested their racism during and after the WWII, there is no secret of it, and it is not only an unspoken fact. Deleting verbatum factual citations from eminent Academician Abaev that Iranian layer in Ossetian is only 10%, with another 10% borrowed from other IE languages is a vandalism intended to deceive and to fool. To gang up on undesired subject and do organized vandalism is no better, especially when it is caused by misguided militant patriotism. I stongly object to repeated arbitrary deletions by ignorant militant patriots. Unable to substantiate a complimentary view, this gang just keep censoring and nuking the facts that contradict their beliefs, justifying it by deceptive demagogy. Instead of fair and balanced view, we get organized ideological censorship.

Barefact 15:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Greek and Turkish foreign placenames issues
Hi, you once participated in discussions of when and how to include foreign placenames in Greek and Turkish geographical articles. There's now a centralised discussion at Greek/Turkish naming conventions, and your input would be appreciated. Thanks, Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

GHe's RfA


Hi
Thank you, see you around.--Kagan the Barbarian 04:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Adnan Oktar
It looks like Blnguyen's protected it for you. In the meantime, I've blocked three of the sockpuppets indefinitely as such, and I don't think there are quite as many as Blnguyen suspects. But I can live with it. :-) theProject 06:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Georgian Jews
Khoi, I didn’t know you were Ajarian :) I need your help. I have a problem with this article Gruzim which talks about Georgian Jews. I know that community very well in Georgia. One of my best friends here in Canada and also in Tbilisi are Georgian Jews. I have never ever heard the name "Gruzim" or even an indication which could tell me that Jews in Georgia called themselves "Gruzim." They don’t call themselves "Gruzim" or even use this word in their vocabulary. Georgian Jewish community is one of the oldest in Georgia (traces its roots from the days of Babylon and Assyrian destruction of Jerusalem). They always used the name "ebraeli" (a Jew in Georgian) or "qartveli ebraeli" (Georgian Jew). Georgians also referred to them as "ebraeli", "qartveli ebraeli" and in the west of Georgia as "uria." Now Georgian Jews in Israel only use "ebraeli" and none other. I don’t know from where the author took this name "Gruzim." Was it from the Russian name for Georgian "Gruzin"? We should fix that name and rename the article into "Georgian Jews." Here is the web site of Georgian Jewish community on New York: Kartuli.com - Portal for Georgians and Georgian Jews all over the Worldhttp://www.kartuli.com/site/



Re: a reminder
Thanks, I will abide by the rules in the future. The man threatened me with something inane and crude, and I got carried away in presenting him with the summary of why it is I don't really care. I had requested the page protected, but the Corsican Monarch just up and deleted my request. Dahn 17:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC)