User talk:Khoikhoi/Archive 19

Sources for the correct translation of Great Romanain Party
Please read the talk page before doing reverts. I already pointed my sources there, including a link to the Romanian Parliament website. Additionally, since I am a Romanian native speaker I am myself able to confirm the correct translation and meaning. -Paul- 08:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

OTE
Please take a look at OTE article. Mustafa Akalp TC 10:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Name of Thes/niki; Wiki Policies Question
Hi Khoikhoi. Thank you for your attention to the Thessaloniki name issue here. I am a bit put off by discussion that seems to be mocking in tone (I guess I've just learned what wikistress is). I am also a new user. What Wiki policies should I read up on for do's and don't's? About how to handle conflict? Some of my edits are in places (not just Thessaloniki) where there seem to be real disputes. Jd2718 13:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish people
Hiya Khoikhoi,

I have no idea about Kurdish history, but this pattern of people introducing unsourced, controversial edits & then being reverted doesn't bode well. Not sure if/how I can help. Best regards, --Ling.Nut 13:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your vigilance on Kurdish people. I wanted to ask you about the language of your poem. I know it isn't Vlach, it's much closer to Spanish, and you say it's from Bulgaria--Is it Ladino? --Anthon.Eff 19:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
 I just wanted to let you know that my RfA was a success. Though you didn't participate directly, I appreciated your diligence in dealing with the Bonaparte sockpuppet's backhanded "support". Thanks! &mdash; Saxifrage

User:Marktheprices
You might want to give him a level 4 warning for his edit and previous edits. Just a suggestion.Diez2 22:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The New Zealand article
Hi, Khoi. I know that you've really been around the block here, so I'll ask: Do you know anything about the New Zealand or Australia articles (i.e., disputes, trolls, editing styles, etc.)? Do you keep those or related pages on your watchlist? Have you noticed any differences in styles among editors from different regions (i.e., how do Indians compare to Turks or to Aussies or Kiwis)? Is there more "clanishness" or insularity among certain groups? Thanks. Saravask 00:25, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks anyway. Saravask 14:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Hephthalites
OK, I'll try. But could you please do me a favour and have a professional and neutral look 'as an admin on the nonsense some users are writing in the article Hephthalites.

It's sad that you critisize us, but stay quite when leading Western scholars are insulted, and authoritative scholarly sources are dumped as "dogmatic and nationalistic".

Tājik 02:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * All sources are given in the article. The dispute is about the uncivilized manner of a few users who constantly remove other sources than those that only support their view. The Encyclopaedia Iranica and the Encyclopaedia of Islam are insulted as being dogmatic and nationalistic, and leading scholars, such as Prof. Frye, Prof. Enoki (THE leading expert on the Hephthalites), and Prof. A.D.H. Bivar (author of the article Hephthalites in Iranica) are dumped as Persian nationalists. THIS is hillarious.


 * Britannica does not give any information about the origin of the Hephthalites, the Columbia Encyclopaedia claims that they were "either Turkic or Tibetian". However, these two articles are not written by experts. The most authoritative works, meaning Enoki's "On the origins of the Hephthalites" (1955) and Frye's "The Heritage of Central Asia", describe the Hephthalites as an ethnically mixed confederation, ruled by an Iranian-speaking elite. The same information is given in Iranica and Encyclopaedia of Islam.


 * The mentioned users, however, delete all of these sources and simply copy and paste paragraphs from Britannica and CE into the article, further claiming that Enoki (a Japanese professor), Frye (an American professor), and the entire EI and EIr are dogmatic and Persian nationalistic. Just check his last edit.


 * Tājik 02:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

what???
what's going on? why did you rv? SosoMK 02:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I mean he does not discuss anything on the talk page and his argument has been crushed 24 hours ago. SosoMK 02:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I am still wondering why are you involved in ninja fighting against Georgia and Georgians, do you have some personal reasons against the country? SosoMK 02:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I bet you, shortly mikka, ghirla & Co are gonna show up and start making derogatory ethnic prejudices and they will probably be supported by you and then consensus: Authority Rule with No Legitimacy and Justice. SosoMK 02:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess you think that Georgians are evil people, who contriuted Stalin and Beria to the world, but even Stalin nor Beria did not do anything wrong to Hungary, Israel or the United States, so you attitude really makes me to feel mystified. SosoMK 03:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, you wonna war? Yoy want to piss me off. If you want to declare a war, you will get it. SosoMK 03:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I am Tony Montana :) SosoMK 03:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You need people like me on wiki, say hello to the bad guy SosoMK 03:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Yoruba language
If you aren't too busy, can you look at the external links section of Yoruba language. I keep taking out what appear to be political propaganda links (which may include some language classes). Am I right to do so? Thanks--Ling.Nut 06:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

YOU NONSENSE IS NOT RELEVENT, ROSKAM IS THE WINNER OF THE 6th ...I LIVE THERE YOU Don't read and stay out..

ABC, CBS, FOX, TV...

Pekmez
Can you check the recent changes on Pekmez article? Pekmez Kola stuff was put there and now page looks awful in my opinion. I will discuss with author of the changes but first I want to hear your comments.Ugur Olgun 19:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

An interesting fact of life
Hi. If you remember the incidents on Talk:Mircea Eliade and Talk:Islam in Romania: User:Timor Stultorum is currently "replaced" by User:Timur Stultorum... And User:Azotlichid appears to be their twin brother... Dahn 20:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi and thanks for the reply. It appears that a reply of his on User talk:PelleSmith ("One more thing, PelleSmith: being myself a Romanian, I think of having a quite good understanding of that sort of compatriots like dahn: consciously or not, they interpret perfect urbanity like yours as a sign of weakness. Look at the way dahn is rushing you on the Eliade matter.") is similar to the insults on my page. It also looks to me like they have the same way of constructing a phrase. I'll see about running it through the system, and thanks for the suggestion. Dahn 13:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Opinion please
I've formulated a proposal and need to know what other people think about it. See User:NikoSilver/Disputed regions - Summary style (and click talk for your comments). The proposal is a result of a lengthy debate/poll in Template talk:Countries of Europe, but it extends obviously beyond Europe, so I made a subpage before I post it in WP:VPP. Thanks. •N i k o S il v e r• 23:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Erxnmedia's edits in Atatürk article
As you've already realized, this user tries to attach links to genocide articles without any reference or proper mention of Atatürk's involvement in the article. I left a comment on User talk:Erxnmedia, but I'm not sure he would get my point. Could you please try to take care of this issue? And he recently called the revert of his edits as "vandalism" and put the page in protected status, which I didn't even know could be done by a non-admin. I regret that I still haven't reply to your question about an anon's edits in the Turkish language infobox. I will hopefully look into the matter soon. Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 23:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Caligvla
He has now brought accusations of some sort of politically motivated conspiracy into the Armenia talk page. This is just getting more ridiculous each minute. -- Augustgrahl 23:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Map
Thanks for fixing the image. Cheers.--Eupator 23:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I mean how are they "his maps" when they are uploaded in commons? :rolleyes--Eupator 23:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Placenames
Sorry, I was just about to go to bed myself. It's pretty late here. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Spain
The only thing I'm trying to "prove" is that "Spain" is pertinent to articles on Spanish autonomous communities... who could refute that? Another user deleted that entry, prioritizing uniformity to pertinency...

If you find this issue "pointless", why did you delete my "pointless" change? Sure you don't think this is pointless for any reason.

Regards

Lquiroga 01:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello: the "standard criterion" that supports your change (a reference mentioned in the "Intro" section must not appear in "see also" section) is not met by other references in that same page (references that Asterion didn't delete, you guys don't act based on the same principles). Other prominent pages like the "United States" article don't meet this principle (please, take a look at it).


 * Please let me know which is the Wikipedia standard on this point, if there is any, to solve this issue.


 * Regards


 * Lquiroga 10:39, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The United States article (or the New York article) are examples of articles in which references included in the "intro" are also listed in the "see also" section, and nobody corrected that. As I see, there is no any standard to design the "see also" section of an article, and that shows me how arbitrary was Asterion deleting that entry and how arbitrary is Wikipedia.


 * Lquiroga 16:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Candaroğulları
Thank for comments. You are right. Contents of these two articles(with some small differences) app. the same. I put "Merge" tag. Regards Mustafa Akalp TC 09:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Rebecca Cummings
You have previously edited the Rebbecca Cummings article. The article has been put up for deletion. I would like your unbiased input on the article at Articles for deletion/Rebecca Cummings. Along with the discussion on the deletion page you can find information and discussions on this at Talk:Rebecca Cummings.

She may not be the most notable person on Wikipedia but she fits the notability criteria from the Wikipedia guideline Wikipedia:Notability (pornographic actors). Her notability is listed in her article and restated at Articles for deletion/Rebecca Cummings.

Thanks for your input!--HeartThrobs 21:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Ingria

 * Can you explain me why other users repeatedly delete my links to other language wiki, but you tell me about blocking policy?!!--Ottorahn 22:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Persian people
See the corresponding talk page. What's your opinion about the last proposal? Jahangard 02:43, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Could you please take a look again (also see the article and its recent history)? It seems that nobody cares about the inconsistencies of the article. Jahangard 07:04, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, maybe we should follow the definitions from other sources, like this for example. What do you think? Khoikhoi 22:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That page is not usefull for us (it's just a disambiguation page and we have a more complete disambiguation page here). Also, you should note that websites such as http://www.thefreedictionary.com and http://www.answers.com/ jus copy whatever they find (mostly pages of Wikipedia). Because of that, their content is almost the same as Wikipedia (with a delay). Jahangard 03:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Maps
You around? I think I have a solution to the edit wars on the maps...
 * Use the current version I uploaded, the dispute seems to be grey area not the actual location, so by removing the grey, all involved are happy. I am sure I can get David on board with this too.--MCMLXXI 02:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay great, glad we can agree, I'll let David know on WikiDE, I'll go ahead and change AZN and GEO too., as for me I am just a friendly wikignome ;) I use differnt names on each Wiki, spend most of my time in Commons and Simple English Wiki--MCMLXXI 03:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey Khoi, got a question for you. How come you uploaded both this and this? As near as I can tell, they're exactly the same thing. --InShaneee 17:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's kind of bad practice; 'duplicate' is actually a Speedy Deletion criteria. Mind getting rid of one? --InShaneee 04:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Armenia strawpoll
NB This poll has now closed, it being Friday 10th November and about 10.30am where I live. The numbers are as follows: As such, no mandate has appeared for making the requested changes to the article. As previously advertised, Caligvla and I are taking a break from this dispute for a week. After this, the case may be taken to the mediation cabal, although I hope to avoid this eventuality. Walton monarchist89 10:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support 6 (although User:Hamparzoum's existence has been disputed by User:Tekleni.
 * Neutral 1.
 * Oppose 10.

Azadeh Moaveni again
Hi KhoiKhoi. Azadeh Moaveni's page was vandalized again. This time by a user using a similar name as yours. He was blocked too. I would suggest that we put this site under a semi-protection. What do you think about it? Shabdiz 13:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, I agree. You are right, compared to some other pages and what I read here and there, this seems to be minor. Thanks.Shabdiz 15:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Editing protected pages
While I agree with your recent edit removing "Romanians" from the List of unrecognized countries, you might want to look at this: Protection_policy. In essence, by editing substance in a protected article you are forcing your point of view on the majority of editors who can't edit protected pages, which generally should not be done. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 18:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, don't be sorry—I've been tempted to do it myself. Well, I've been tempted to revert to the version I like and then protect, which is even worse. =) └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 19:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Tekleni 3RR violation on TRNC.
He is getting quite annoying. --A.Garnet 19:29, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Tekleni and sockpuppets
Man, that's at least three sockpuppets in a row he clearly knows we know are him. This is awfully ridiculous. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 20:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Assyrian people article
...in no way can you be considered a neutral party in this dispute. You're just looking for a reason to start something with me.23:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Archiving
All i see is a mess! I am really not following the chronology of events! I can't follow the mess re to the archiving process!!! -- Szvest 23:29, 10 November 2006 (UTC) <font style="background: orange">Wiki me up ®


 * The solution to that is what i did (not just being bold but Archive 5 is soooo short!). I hope it is ok now. -- Szvest 23:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You can restart discussions. You can copy and paste them. There are a lot of ways but is it acceptable to witness an edit warring about stupid stuff? -- Szvest 23:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Back to my first comment then...So what was the reason of archiving a short discussion? -- Szvest 23:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I've just transfered the thread of this discussion to Sangorious's talk. Let's see and sort this out. -- Szvest 23:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Defense of Van & Van Resistance
The edit history was messed up somehow. Please give me a sec while I fix it—thanks! :-) <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">Khoikhoi 00:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'm done now. Please let me know if I made any mistakes. Ciao, <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">Khoikhoi 00:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Could you add the protection until the problem with user:houtom's points (deletions) will be solved.--OttomanReference 00:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

same link from Yoruba article; in Akan languages
Hi Khoikhoi,

Same link from Yoruba article; in Akan languages. Lather, rinse, repeat. --Ling.Nut 03:38, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Outerlimits
Hello my friend. This user is vandalizing two articles: LGBT rights in Iran and Human rights in Islamic Republic of Iran through "sneaky vandalism" and ignoring other peoples edits (such as one valid point raised by Gbambino). These articles are already not neutral, but the first one is the worst in terms of intentionally defaming and degrading Iran and Iranian peoples and Iranian civilization. It is a million miles away from neutral. Please do what you can to restore some sanity here. Khaili mamnoon. Khorshid 11:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In fact, it is Khorshid who appears to be reverting without discussion. If there is "sneaky vandalism", it's not me who's doing it. - Outerlimits 11:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Aromanians
Hello Khoikhoi, first let me say thank you for supporting me in getting the sysop status. I am sorry that I wasn't able to give the list of problems in the Aromanians article, but I promise to do this till the end of the week. I was not able to do this sooner because of some health problems, but now everything's better. Thank you very much for everythign again, Dumitrachi T. Fundu Eeamoscopolecrushuva 12:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Protected page: Iranian Azerbaijan
Hi Thanks for the welcome message. I was wondering if adminstarators can apply a POV by protecting an article on a given time. For instance, as regards "Iranian Azerbaijan" article, the arian theory about the origins of Azeris is being protected while there are other theories as well. I don't care about the racial origins but I don't like to see a POV being protected.--Faucon7 22:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Its not POV. The only POV thing about it was the external links that were added under the name "South Azerbaijan" which is fictitious and an invention of the 1930's/40's of the Soviets.Khosrow II 01:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Khosrow ... it seems you are following all my contributions, ok I am happy to have audience(lol). Well you know, we will not always accept that what we are expressing is our POV. I agree that there is not much genetical differences between persians and azerbaijanis (both northern and southern),(some people do not agree). Neither Azerbaijanis are pure turks nor persians pure arians. This land has been a crossroad of ethnicities and the result is a mixture. But one should concede that Azeris have a different idendity as distinct from persians. Any denial of this fact will amount to assimilation. Ans as an Iranian Azerbaijanian let me say the cultural simmilarities between me and a north azerbaijanian is much more than those between me and a persian. This fact can not be a justification for seperatist policies. The time when nationalities were based on ethnicity and race has long gone. We can live within the same borders as long as we accept the differences we have, as long as we accept eachother the way we are.--Faucon7 22:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, boy, here we go again. First of all, I am not following your edits, I have several pages on my watchlist. Secondly, There is no such thing as a North Azerbaijan and a South Azerbaijan. Throughout history, there has only been one Azerbaijan, Iranian Azerbaijan. You as an Iranian Azerbaijani should know your own history. Secondly, the people in the R. of Azerbaijan and Iranian Azeri's, the real Azeri's, do not have anything in common except language, the history of Iran, and Iranian Culture. Persians and Azeri's have more in common than Azeri's do with other Turks. Culturally, Azeri's are still Iranics. Just because their language changed does not mean the people changed. I have done lots of research regarding Azerbaijan's history, if you have anything more to discuss, or any questions, please feel free to ask on my talk page (so we dont bother khoikhoi). You must know your history, and you must not be fooled with historical revisionism and politics. Please feel free to ask. (Also, I am no joke, I actually have researched the history a lot. I have read historical texts, I have read many sources, including unclassified Soviet documents, etc... Everything I know comes from reliable Western, medieval, and ancient sources)Khosrow II 00:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

User:71.162.66.250
You are very welcome. All the best, Gwernol 01:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. <b style="color:green;">IrishGuy</b> <sup style="color:blue;">talk 01:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Oops
I have done it again. Please revert that illicit edit immediately, for the better of wikipedia. 87.78.158.236 02:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, where are you? Hurry up, wikipedia is taking damage from my horrible, horrible trolling! 87.78.149.79 02:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Kondovan
Please keep your eye on it in case they try to reinsert the Azerbaijan geo stub into the article. I dont know why they insist on having another countries geo stub in an article about a place in Iran. Thanks. By the way, you post some very interesting things on your User page.Khosrow II 03:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I was actually referring to Karcha, not Faouvan (which seems to be a good editor). Karcha is really being a nuisance, now he is trying to change the Rumi article, and look at the Turkish langauge page, I changed to English so that it would make more sense (before it seemed like it was saying that Greece, Bulgaria, etc... all spoke Turkish) and he reverted me... Also, o, I wasnt being sarcastic about your user page. You must do a lot of reading, where do you come across all these poems?Khosrow II 04:07, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Borat98
I had Borat98's contribution list opened in a tab, ready to refresh in anticipation of his next vandalism...but it never came. Took me a minute to figure out why. Quick service on the block! -- Jim Douglas <sup style="color:green;">(talk) <sub style="color:gray;">(contribs)  05:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

You're abusing your privelages.
I didn't insult him. I meant that exaclty as it was worded. That was very similar to his edits. It removed Assyrian and replaced it with Aramaean. You can check his previous edits yourself. I'm going to pass this on to another admin if you continue.סרגון יוחנא 08:30, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes
Hi Khoi. Can you please have a look at the pages of User:Óðinn and User:Dimts? Their userboxes contain attacks on a living person, Mikheil Saakashvili, and violates Wiki policy on WP:USER and WP:LIVING, IMHO. I asked one of these users to express his political sympathies and antipathies without offending the President of Georgia but he refused to follow my advice. Despite politics, and the tension that is on at the moment, I think provocative and divisive actions such as those should be avoided. Thanks, Kober 09:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Howdy Khoi. I think I will leave them alone. This userbox portrays these users very well. They specialize in slamming Georgia, especially Dimts, an author of this xenophobic userbox, who has not made any significant contribution to Wikipedia, but specifically attacks Georgia related talk pages. Thanks,--Kober 05:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot, Khoi. Trying my best...:) --Kober 05:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ha ha :)) He is one of the strangest guys I have ever met here. I remember he once attached a template "Iranian states" to Russia and Armenia.--Kober 07:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Greeting, Khoikhoi. Since you find the idea of somebody running around WP and senselessly accusing you of being a POV pusher to be amusing, you will surely laugh with me at our friend Kober, who is quick to do exactly that against anyone with the audacity to criticize his political idol. Now, since you claim to understand what he is saying, perhaps you could kindly explain to me and User:Dimts how is the userbox in question xenophobic? Unless Saakashvili is some sort of holy embodiment of Georgian spirit, requiring everyone to cower while as much as thinking of him, the concept totally escapes me. Óðinn 07:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ahh what a shame people like him live here near by in Toronto :) What’s up Khoi? What’s new buddy? So being an admin rules eh? :) If you need anything, email me at my old email. Just wanted to say hi! Cheers Khoi! Regards. p.s I did not know that you were Romanian and Pro-Georgian POV pusher according to Persians hehe Ldingley 22:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Tallarmenian tale site
Dear Khoikhoi. Can you please tell me why you think this site is racist. Can you give some examples that you find disturbing. Not for arguement I wish to learn so that maybe I can want the web master. thanksneurobio 22:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Khoikhoi, if you are not kidding, or not again making some WP:Point, I am very pleased to learn that you are of Romanian ancestry. I myself have a few very nice Romanian friends over here. Cheers, Atilim Gunes Baydin 00:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that was my first guess, actually. Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 00:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yep, I have one Hungarian friend who was living in Romania before coming here. She's also quite nice. Atilim Gunes Baydin 00:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You are starting to act really silly. The "proud to be Romanian tag" when you have an anti-Romanian bias just proves that.Dapiks 01:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure you are. And by the way nice way of suggesting about "doing something about this guy (Constantzeanu)" to Mikka. Very wikipedia-like. For sure that's how an admin is supposed to act like.Dapiks 01:48, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * How should an admin act? Well for starters an admin should not take sides. Secondly if you do have a biased, at least refrain from participating in these articles since obviously you cannot mediate. Thirdly, an admin should not plan with another admin to "do something with this guy" just because you do not agree that "your actions to provide false sources are shameful". That is not wikipedia-like. And fourthly, an admin should not have a negative attitude towards an ethnic group, should not come up with false sources just to push his pov. Should i continue?Dapiks 01:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should.Dapiks 02:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Many thanks for the near instant reverts for my user/talk page. Kuru <sup style="color:#f5deb3;">talk  04:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

block
You blocked User:172GAL for three days, why? I read blocking policy, this is not suitable(Please clarify if I am wrong). Regards. Mustafa Akalp <sup style="color:blue;">TC 05:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Your block is not suitable since he attacked to yourself.
 * This is a very light penalty. Ask for another admin for permanent block or much longer (atleast).
 * Dear Khoikhoi,

Of course I know his/her comments before my first message, I mean you were subject to that message also.Those words cannot be acceptable ones in anyway.It would be more suitable if another admin blocked that uncivil person permanently. Forget that words.Be calm. Regards. Mustafa Akalp <sup style="color:blue;">TC 06:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot
Thanks a lot, for the info on User:RickK. I was wondering why... codetiger 07:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Rumi
It's your turn again, Khoikhoi. User:Karcha is really vandalizing the Rumi article. See here!

I have already reverted twice. I am really tired of this! Please take a look at ALL the changes he did in that article, especially removing 3 scholarly and authoritative sources (among them and article written by Prof. Bosworth in Encyclopaedia Iranica, as well as one written by late Prof. Annemarie Schimmel).

Tājik 11:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Racist comments by User:NisarKand
Because of his racist comments gaiants Tajiks (he called all Tajiks "rats"), I have reported him to admins. Please take some time to have a look at this:

Thx.

Tājik 17:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Altaic
Hi, I know i missed some of them. Actually, i was confused which info-box i edited exactly. Anyway, i'll continue fixing them later. Cheers! E104421 22:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Open proxy
Can you please block User:24.138.193.68, as you can see here, it's an open proxy.--ManiF 23:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome; very kind. Banality 03:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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Circassians
Answered. Mukadderat 07:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: A request
Whoops, I seem to have missed your message -- did you still want me to look at anything, and if so, where? Luna Santin 07:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

3RR
I just saw your message on my talk page. Quite silly. Your "friendly" warning about the 3RR seems more like a try to intimidate me, but this is just hilarious, because you were the one who was reverting, not me. (And because you have started reverting, you always had performed one revert more than me). It seems that either you do not understand Wikipedia's concepts or you apply them only when they suit your needs. (Ever heard of the Be Bold principle? That was all I did - noticed a mistake, explained in the talk page and corrected it). I should have edited one more time and let yourself perform the third revert, then propose your blocking, but I don't have time for this kind of foolish nonsense, like others seems to have. -Paul- 10:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Page move
Hi! Could you please move First Bulgarian State, Second Bulgarian State and Third Bulgarian State to where they were before a new user moved them without discussion and rationale (First Bulgarian Empire, Second Bulgarian Empire and History of Independent Bulgaria respectively)? Thanks :) Todor→Bozhinov 21:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! Todor→Bozhinov 17:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

About Protection
Hi, why all of the problematic articles have always been protected after an iranian's last edit? I want neutral admins...--Karcha 22:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Alaha Article
Why are you blanking the article? If it needs sources I will source it. Stop blanking it.סרגון יוחנא 23:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * None of what the article is claiming is "preposterous."סרגון יוחנא

Talk:Persian Jews
As I wrote in the edit summary:

"Your credibility is impaired by deleting text; it is dishonest; and creates an irrebuttable inference that your assertions lack credibility."

The deleted text is material to the debate on the discussion page; if you fail to restore it, I will restore it as my own comment.

Your conduct in attempting to suppress this text is further evidence of your violation of Wikipedia policies.

--Lance talk 00:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Your threat:


 * BTW, if you revert one more time you will break 3RR. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">Khoikhoi 00:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)3

constitutes abuse and disruption. Again, restore the relevent text.--Lance talk 00:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Treaty of Noteborg
It seems like our friend Jakko or some of his friends recruits new supporters somewhere in the depths of Finnish wikipedia/web. There are new ones every day. -- Ghirla <sup style="color:#C98726;">-трёп-  09:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Outerlimits
I think this user is a sockpuppet because every time I revert his vandalism of the article he is right there to revert me instantly. And before he already used a sockpuppet IP. That is suspicious. BTW this is not issue of allowing POVs to be heard - a person cannot come out and claim this and that about a legal system as I wrote now on the talk. Facts are facts and opinions are opinions and this person should keep their opinion to themselves. Khorshid 10:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I do not know who he is a sockpuppet of. I was hoping you had an idea. BTW I got your email. I will send a reply tho not sure what it is about?? Khorshid 10:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Timurids
Thx for not protecting the Timurids article. I have removed your recent edit from the intro and placed it in the "Culture" section. I've also put some more information into the articles. Please take some time to go through the article, maybe correcting spelling mistakes, etc. That would be really great. Tājik 16:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I feel atacked too
I feel attacked by this[] Antarcticwik 20:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
Don't know if this is of interest to you, but you seem like a balanced editor on Greek and Turkish matters, so I thought I'd ask for your opinion. I put what I believe to be a balanced, sourced paragraph in the Mustafa Kemal Atatürk article that says, basically, some people accuse him of instigating the Pontic Greek Genocide and the Armenian Genocide, and some people argue he did not, and it's been removed every time. If you'd like to put in your two cents I'd appreciate it. --AW 20:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Welcome!
Hi! Thanks for the warm welcome. But how did you do that? Do you use a Bot? Cosika 02:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I see. What does "welcomeg" stand for? Cosika 02:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I thought it was "welcome guest". :) Cosika 02:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Your certainly right. It looks like there's also a welcomeh. I don't know what the difference is. Cosika 02:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It's all for new people or can you place them wherever you want? Oh and who can place these messages? I want to know if I can do it too. Cosika 02:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey I like how you have quotes in your user page. I tried looking at the source but I could not understand a thing! Is there a template for this too, or did you write that whole thing by yourself? Cosika 06:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Could you take a look
Could you take a look at this, taking into account the userbox here? Thanks. Although I'm not sure that any rules are being broken, the addition of this image in the article in question seems to be somewhat partisan, and unnecessary (the Pro-Life section on Abortion debate doesn't have any photos of dead fetuses, if you catch the parallel). Basically, I feel that it's being added to try to tip PoV. What is your opinion? yandman 12:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:Hungarian
O god, my name's NAGHI, who is a 100% romanian name, I'm romanian at about 100%. Calling me of hungarian ancestry is a bit insulting. Arthur 16 November 2006

Lol, indeed
Your email clearly made an impact. ;) I was just going to pass through and then I had an email about the FA review on the Pashtuns so I thought I'd do a quick make-shift edit. Lots of pointless additions that say nothing other than just sit there. The Attan section is just one long meandering paragraph about speculative views on the origins of the dance and the actors pictures seem extermely excessive as well. I, of course, can't stay for long as then I'll be sucked into working on Central Asia and then that'll be the end of me! Tombseye 22:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Moldovan referendum
Hi Khoi,

I agree with your changes, things must be said explicitly. It's about Romania and Transnistria.

This being said, the article should be renamed into either:
 * Moldovan referendum of 1994
 * Moldovan referendum of 1994 on independence and territorial integrity

Let's continue this on the talk page of the article.

Dpotop 22:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It's been a long day for me, too. Please, read the question that was asked. It had 2 parts: independence (maybe union, but I prefer using the official question, as we have its text), and territorial integrity. Therefore. Either we cite both expressions, or none. It's not logical to cite only one, whereas "territorial integrity" is the rationale for the continuing frozen conflict in Transnistria (I mean, it's as important as independence). Dpotop 23:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Nice to see a question solved. Dpotop 23:07, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Fact check in Moldovan referendum, 1994
Hello. Yesterday you put a mark in a statement of Moldovan referendum, 1994. I do agree with you that the statement is not really factual. My impression is that it belongs after the facts, with all the interpretations for which sources exist. However, my impression was that you would like to say something about Romania in the introduction. This is why I added this statement (to achieve an agreement with you). If I'm mistaken, then it's perfect: we can create a section "Interpretations of the referendum", where all interpretations and media echoes would go, including that statement, the position of the soviet jews (the link you sent me yesterday), etc. Dpotop 10:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Anons
Can anons vote on deletion pages?Khosrow II 01:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So can I remove their vote?Khosrow II 01:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I have a feeling that these three may be the same people:
 * The way the talk, the way they edit, and once I responded to something user 81.215.112.148 said and Zaparodjik responded back to me. Funny huh? Anyway, can you check their IP's to see if they are the same person or if they are using similar IP's (it could be the same person using to separate computers).Khosrow II 13:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

s'up
hey what's up.. Just a quick question, don't get me wrong but, why did u make that last addition to ataturk article without a source? The way it looks now makes him out to be an alcholic or something :)) On the other hand, what do you think about the other debate in that article? cheers! Baristarim 01:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I took another look at the discussion page, there was a source cited, so it would be better if it were to be included.. So forget about the raki thing I mentioned, it's ok.. Baristarim 01:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Fine, the usual :). I just felt I needed to take some time off, I was getting myself caught way too much in some disputes. I was also extremely busy with real life stuff.. What kinda sucks is that I let it drop all of a sudden, I was going to get back to some people about certain articles, I was actually trying to get something done in separation of church and state and separation of church and state in the us articles.. Well, as for the alcohol thing, it's fine. It just weirded me out coz I saw that edit coming out of nowhere, but I took a look at the discussion and all, so it's cool. He wasn't an alcoholic but he liked raki, apparently my great-grandfather would joke about it since his house in Uskudar had a view of the Dolmabahce Palace and he would joke that him and Ataturk would have a raki face to face at night. :)) but it's ok, along with the other debate, i kinda just got disoriented. So no worries.. As for the criticism debate.. Well, I have generally been against the creation of such sections in any article, since I believe that if there were to be criticism, they should be inserted directly into the relevant existing sections, instead of being bundled up together. But doing that correctly would take a huge amount of work, and might lead to more edit wars and et al, so at the end of the day I think such a section would be ok. It is sad that it had to get protected though. :(

Hungarian

 * Some people really don't understand... What you mean with my name backwards just like Hungarians?? Im Romanian I told you and I don't know what you want to know now.

No no come on tell me what you don't understand im really curious. Excuse if I went a bit to far but i don't know from where this idea came..

ooo ok so that's it.. No, me too I was writing my name with my family name first, but then I came to Canada where they put their given name first, so I adopted that. You didn't offended me at all, it was just that I didn't understood what you meant. Arthur 16 November


 * On the other hand, congratulations for an overdue adminship!! :)) I know that the RfA got heated a bit at the end, but it's good that it turned out ok. I still haven't seen the RfA since my last comment and haven't taken a look at how it was at the time of closure. Well, it's all over now. cheers Baristarim 02:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Northern Maramureş
My pleasure, though it's not quite where it should be. I would like to point out that the number of articles dealing with roughly the same area is growing rather high: Maramureş (disambiguation), Northern Maramureş, Máramaros, Carpathian Ruthenia, Carpatho-Ukraine, Zakarpattia Oblast, Maramureş County, Maramureş (historical region), etc. Granted, they all deal with distinct entities, but a few of us should make a concerted effort to reduce overlap, harmonize the information contained within, create links to the other articles where needed, etc. Also, maybe we could have one page where all the differences between these are summarized, though I'm not sure what you'd call it (perhaps the pre-existing Maramureş page could be used). Biruitorul 06:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, I'm not quite sure either. I will get in touch with him and a couple of others to see what they have to say. Biruitorul 06:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Template:Kurds
Please tell us what you think about this template on Template talk:Kurds. It looks wrong to list non-Kurds (or pre-Kurd) peoples as "Kurdish". They werent Iranian peoples and is only a theory that they are ancestor of Kurds. Kurds dont have their own country and there are differences between Kurds in Iran, Iraq, Turkey so listing this peoples sounds POV. This reminds me of Kurd nationalist who try to claim Zaza as Kurd! Also you did not answer my questions in my email. Khorshid 10:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of everything, thanks for protecting Sparta. Miskin 12:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Good quote.
I like that quote on your user page. It's very true to an extent in a good way and a bad way.סרגון יוחנא 15:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks
User:Karcha has made personal attacks against me on the Articles_for_deletion/Ethnic_politics_of_Khuzestan. He has made attacks before and I have warned him before. Khorshid 16:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It is a bit rich of Khorshid to demand civility, when s/he has been more than willing to dish out insults with little provocation. S/he can dish it out but s/he cannot take it.--88.109.195.209 18:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ahwaz, is that you?? Khorshid 20:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Edit wars in Ak Koyunlu
We have a lot of edit wars going on in various Central Asian/Middle Eastern articles. I asked that this article be protected, and noted in my request that you participated in adding/deleting the name at least once without any dicussion on the talk page. If we don't discuss these issues on the articles talk page then we can never come to agreement. You have some valid arguments and so did one other poster, that I see here, but because they're not on the article's talk page I had no idea that this was going on.

My post on WP:REquest for protection page:

Ak Koyunlu (edit|talk|history|links|logs) I recomment that Ak Koyunlu be protected due to edit war over inclusion of a name and banners and no discussion of the issue on talk page, including an administrator Khoikhoi participating in removal or addition without talk page discussion.[1] KP Botany 17:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

KP Botany 17:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Fact check in Moldovan referendum, 1994
Hello. Yesterday you put a mark in a statement of Moldovan referendum, 1994. I do agree with you that the statement is not really factual. My impression is that it belongs after the facts, with all the interpretations for which sources exist.

However, my impression was that you would like to say something about Romania in the introduction. This is why I added this statement (to achieve an agreement with you). Given that you don't like it, I suggest we do it the proper way: Remove it from the intro, create a section "Interpretations of the referendum", where all interpretations should go, according to due weight. If later there are discussions about the POV, at least the referendum facts are not disputed, just the various interpretations.

I'd like to have your oppinion before editing. Dpotop 18:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You ask me what I think. I'll compare the facts with what I think.
 * The facts: There was a single question, with 2 main points (continued independence and territorial integrity). You could only accept everything or reject it. From our perspective, this is unfortunate, because we don't know who voted for which clause. Neither you, nor me.
 * What I think (which is not relevant for wikipedia, but since you asked): I think that at the time independence was needed to remove the main reason supporting Transnistria secession: Incorporation to Romania. The objective of the government was not to keep a crippled Moldova (most industry is in Transnistria, as you know). Recall that it's the period where the autonomies are stabilized (Transnistrian and Gagauz), where Russia and the 14th Russian Army (G-ral Lebed) are still in Transnistria protecting their de-facto independence. I think the government needed some argument to support its position in international negotiations. Also, I believe that the objective of the government was to preserve the independence of a viable Moldova (i.e. with Transnistria). Dpotop 09:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * A clear proof to the international community that Transnistria must remain Moldovan
 * A proof of the fact that Moldova should remain

As concerns reunification,

Triple revert on Tabriz article
User Khosrow II has reverted my edit for a third time. In Culture section I insist it should be stated that the language of the city, Azeri is a turkic language. Many readers may not know this and many will not follow the link. The fact that there is an article for an issue does not prevent us from giving information about that issue in other related articles. As you are an adminstrator please help to solve this problem. --Faucon7 18:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I understand that you are trying to make a compromise. But you will agree that my version is better. I was explaining what the language of the city is, you are explaining what it is not. You know, some people are trying to deny that people there are speaking a turkic language. It is interessting to know that local people call the language Turkish. Indeed in Iran when you say someone is speaking turkish, you mean he is speking Azerbaijani. Anyway I'll prefer if you remove the reference to Tat language and replace Azeri with the scientifically recognized name Azerbaijani language. Latter I will add a language subsection under culture so there will be no complaint about disruptive sentencing. --Faucon7 23:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks it's better this way. It seems you know the country. Does your Id has anything to do with the city of Khoy? Yes The language is called Turki/Turku/Torki in Iran which means Turkish. nobody denies that Azerbaijani is a turkic language but some people try to censure this fact. Why else should anybody be offended when I explain that Azeri is a turkic language? Anyway as we see, wiki sites have their pros and cons... Cheeers--Faucon7 18:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Khoikhoi. No at least in Iranian Azerbaijan Azeris are not offended when their language is called Turkish. Indeed Turk and Turkish are considered to be generic terms. It's not like calling an Ukrainian, a Russian. It's like calling both of them Slavs. In Iran when you want to refer to the language spoken in Turkey you have to say Istanbuli Turkish. Without this qualification Turkish refers to Azerbaijani. Indeed Turkish and Azerbaijani are popularly considered to be two dialects of the same language. The two languages/dialects have exactly the same grammer and a very high lexical proximity. There are some slight differences in pronounciation. The recent popularity of Turkish TVs in Iran has incresed the inteligibility of Turkish in Iranian Azerbaijan.
 * In north azerbaijan the language is officially called Azerbaijani. But this is kind of like Portuguese being called Brazilian in Brazil, Catalan being called Valencian in Valencia or Persian being called Tajiki in Tajikistan. Cheers --Faucon7 01:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * How can it be censoreship if it is wikilinked to the main article? Some people just dont seem to understand what Wikilinking is...The same thing happened with the Qajars, we might as well not link anything...Khosrow II 04:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well yes the usage is different in English. In Azeri and Persian, Turki is related to all turks. we don't have different words for Turkish and Turkic. Well the inteligibility of Turkish in Azerbaijan depends on some factors such as the 1. Personal intelligence; 2. Age: younger people are better in understanding it due to the influence of turkish satelite Tv Channels. 3. Education in Azeri: Written Azeri is more simmillar to Turkish than informal spoken Azeri. 4. etc. as I have told the grammer is the same and most words are common the only dificulty is the different pronounciations and intonations. If you are an azeri speaking to a turk first you will feel he is speaking too fast. but you will get used to it after a while. I remember when I have been to turkey in my childhood I could communicate with turkish children. It's also interesting to know that when a turkish speach is broadcasted on Azerbaijani TVs it is not translated because an average azeri is expected to understand Turkish. I can challenge anybody who claims he fully knows azeri but does not understand Istanbuli turkish other than a few words.
 * I am casual about calling the land either "Iranian Azerbaijan" or "South Azerbaijan". The fact is that This land is currently situated within the borders of Iran. and Iran (regardless of the origin of the word) is a multiethnic country. Iran is not Persia. So I will not be offended if the land is called Iranian Azerbaijan. And although I am not a seperatist, I am aslo cool on calling it South Azerbaijan. After all the land is geographicially situated on the southern part of the greater Azerbaijan. In everyday life and unofficial situations, when one wants to refer to northern part she usually calls it O tay or O tay Azerbaijan which loosely means "Azerbaijan on the other side of the river". Conversly Bu tay Azerbaijan means Azerbaijan on this side of the river. I wish this is useful. Cheers, --Faucon7 18:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Help
Hi Khoikhoi, i've question. If i'm thinking that an admin is unilateral and not neutral, what should i do? Where should I complain about this? Best Regards...--Karcha 20:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry
Ok I didn't know this. 23:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

South Osetia flag and coat of arms images should be deleted
These attributes are not recognized by international community. I deleted these images, but you recovered them later. Why? Wikipedia should provide truthful content, not disinformation. Maribge 21:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)Maribge

South Osetia page
All right. If so, then I think it would be fair to reflect points of view of the both sides. I mean, official flag and coat of arms images should also be added to the page. Maribge 22:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)Maribge

Re:Message
Yeah, I just overreacted. I've decided the best way to deal with Parishan for now is diplomatically. I have tolerated his addition of Armenia to the antisemitism article (I plan to add pieces on both Georgia and Azerbaijan this week to even things out). -- Clevelander 00:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Ottoman Muslim casualties
Khoi, be sure to check this out when you get a chance. Best, Clevelander 00:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It should be deleted. Lots of Turks died, of course, but this doesn't mean that there should be an entire article about it as if to imply that it was a massacre or genocide.  The claim or implication that something such as this happened was created by the government of Turkey as a tool to combat recognition of the Armenian Genocide.  The one man outside of Turkey who supports these claims is Justin McCarthy and I'm sure you're aware of his agenda (the man would no doubt deny the Holocaust if he had the chance). -- Clevelander 00:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Take a look
It would be nice if you took a look at Templates for deletion, since I have serious reason to believe that there have been vote-stacking going on, there are many people who are voting without even explaining their reasons, and sadly, they are the usual people, for one reason or another, that have a beef with everything Turkish. Baristarim 00:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Help
User:Baristarim is launching personal attacks on me at the Articles for deletion/Ottoman Muslim casualties page. Please do something before the situation gets out of hand. -- Clevelander 04:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It was not a personal attack. Khoi, have you take a look at the links that I provided in that post? Aren't they condescending and racist? And did u see Clevelander's post to my talk page where he dared to suggest that I am calling him a racist because he was Armenian???? Is that fair? But I hear your point though, so no worries. Baristarim 04:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Khoi, I didn't call anyone a racist - he's calling ME a racist, just so he can discredit me and just so the article will remain on Wikipedia to reflect his government's standpoint! This isn't fair. -- Clevelander 04:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Then tell him to stop, please. He's provoking me, so I'll admit it's my fault for throwing gas on the fire by responding to him.  Just please stop him from launching personal attacks on me. -- Clevelander 04:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I'm going to bed, I've had enough of this for today. -- Clevelander 04:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Case of possible speedy deletion
I received this message from GilbertoSilvaFan:

"MTS Driver Recruiters is an advertising spam article created by User:Mtsdrivers and he's put a few links to the article here and there, for example on Truck driver. Not quite sure what to do, but I thought I'd let you know since you're an admin and everything. He originally put a link to the MTS Drivers website on the Truck driver page but I deleted it. It seems he's back and is determined to advertise his site on Wikipedia :-)"

You can check his full message in my talk page. I saw the article and, for me, it is in the category "Speedy deletion" (blatant advertising). I've already tagged it. I think you should check it as an administrator. Another administrator is also notified by me.

Thanks!--Yannismarou 09:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * OK! It seems that Future Perfect deleted it. So, your additional notification was redundant!--Yannismarou 09:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Non-existing sockpuppetry of E.
The follow-up and a detailed anaylsis by Future Perf. about the allegations about E104421 is here. Especially look at the temporal patterns. I know that you made no decisions on this, but I am sorry to say that more attention should have been made since this accusation was made by Tajik, who has had a beef with E for sometime now. It is extremely possible that E told a friend about Wikipedia and that's how the other user got involved. Shouldn't we re-include the vote that has been crossed out? Baristarim 10:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Look at what Baristam writes here: LOL!!!!!!!! Khorshid 11:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Forks of Kven article
Hi,

The banned user:Art Dominique (the "Kven user") has forked several Kven related articles that should be redirected either to Kven or Kvenland, or to historical Ostrobothnia. Could you protect the redirections currently in place to prevent further forks, thanks. The redirects are: Historisk Kajanaland, Kvæner, Kveenit, Kainulaiset, Kainu, Cwens, Qvens, Quens, Kvænland, Qvenland, Kwenland, Quenland, Kainuunmaa, Kveeni, Kveenit and Cwenland. --Drieakko 15:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your quick actions. --Drieakko 19:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

What can be done for this person?
User:Clevelander is following my edits, and deletes the messages, and changes my messages I wrote on the talk pages. He also destroys the content by removing the citations and moving pages, or redirecting the content to another page without any discussion on the talk pages. --OttomanReference 18:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

ISO codes for the Turkish language
Hi, I had some time to investigate if it makes sense to use the "ota" ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3 code for the Turkish language, about which you asked my opinion about a few weeks before. SIL, the body responsible for the assignment of these codes, treats the two languages as separate, assigns separate codes, and clasifies Ottoman Turkish as a non-living historical language, which also makes perfect sense to me. The "ota" code is already properly given in the Ottoman Turkish language article infobox. I agree with the anon who tried to remove these from the infobox of Turkish language, but was reverted by you, and I now made the necessary modification in the infobox myself. Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 18:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Aromanian
I see you reverted User:Europeanul's comment from the Talk page. Why? FWIW, the section he asks about does look really suspect. CRCulver 18:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Indeed, I see his contribs now. CRCulver 19:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Ottoman Muslim casualties
The page was moved and copy pasted by another user without discussion. If you fix it I would be pleased. The original form is Ottoman Muslim casualties. --OttomanReference 19:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

This move was performed without any discussion.

It is nice that you value democracy, but not everything is democracy. Ottoman Empire was a pre-nation state. Its understanding of the population (subjects) based on Ottoman Millet (Ottoman Empire) perspective. Ottoman statistics, understanding of the world categorized its subjects as Ottoman Armenian casualties and Ottoman Muslim casualties. This is not because Ottoman empire was performing Christian-Muslim comparison, as there was Jews, Ottoman Jews.--OttomanReference 19:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

If it was democracy, there would be no minorities, and some ethnic groups could be easily deleted from Wikipedia, by voding. If you want to help, you can talk this matter with the User:Clevelander.--OttomanReference 19:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You really need to explain what are we going to agree on. User:Clevelander want to see the problem through ethnic eyes, like Armenian-Kurd-Turk-Arab. There was no statistics on Turk-Kurd soldiers-they died on the same battle field. Ottomans collected the statistics of Muslim Millet deaths, they count the bibles and Qurans. If I'm not wrong you are a Kurdish nationalist. Do you have any statistics on how many Kurdish civilians or soldiers died during World War One? Having this talk is very very disrespectful to the context of World War one. Kurds - Turks and Arabs (even today size of Arab revolt is under sucrinity) died on the same battle fields soldier to soldier. The estimated difference in Muslim Millet is 4.000.000 before and after. Do you know how many Kurds died? Now tell me, what do you want me to agree on. --OttomanReference 20:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Turkey
Oh, I didn't know he/she was banned. I was going to change the edits anyway (but you took it back to early?). The disambiguous link and others seem reasonable to me. Cosika 21:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted the "otheruses1" template. Can you add that in for me? Next time I'll make sure to fix everything at once. Two edit conflicts in a row! Cosika 21:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot. I didn't know the person was banned. I'll be more careful in the future. Cosika 21:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Image for deletion
Could you please speedy delete this image? -- Clevelander 21:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Munich
Would you be interested in helping out atWikiProject Munich? And you don't have to know anything about Munich. Maybe you could help out on bringing Munich-related articles up to Wikipedia Policies and guidlines standards or maybe another area where you could help improve Munich-related articles. Kingjeff 22:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Late belated congratulations man!
Sorry, I missed it. Cool deal though. You'll make a great admin. though I'd say. Well there goes any free time for you. On a side not, I may look in on Azeris at a later date when I have time. I'm going to try to fix Pashtuns AGAIN as people just seem to not understand what the scope of the article is and are ignoring comparisons to other encyclopedias. Sure wish I had more spare time, but hey such is life. Again, congrats to a well deserved position of power. Now to crush all those who oppose... I kid, I kid. ;) Tombseye 22:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFPP
I declined your request to fully protect Battle of Sakarya. See WP:RFPP for details. By the way, it's nothing personal.  Nish kid 64  23:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)