User talk:Khoikhoi/Archive 9

From Soso
Hi I am Soso from Georgia, Eastern Europe and please do not change the article about Georgia that Georgia is located in Eurasia. Georgia is a part of Europe in every aspect and if you have any questions please let me know. Regards Soso

Again Zoroaster and Kurds :)
Please kindly take a look at the discussion going on in Talk page of History of the Kurds. I would appreciate your feedback.Heja Helweda 01:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Oi yeah sorry i guess i just caught up a bit in the spur of the moment. Yeah no worries ill work 4 the good of Wiki. Sorry about that

Please comment
Care to comment on the discussions at Talk:Batman, Turkey and Category talk:Kurdistan? A few more voices would be welcome. --Moby 02:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

They really don't like you much, it seems
Just thought you might want to know—in case you haven't already guessed—that ex-user Inanna (she of the recent "anonymous" entries) is organizing a coalition against you here. And she's talking of threatening you, too:

Yani genel bir propaganda amacý var.Dediðim gibi en iyi yöntem þu Khoikhoi'yi tehdit etmek olacak.Þu an aklýma gelen fikir bu. = "That is, there's a general propagandist goal. As I said, the best method will be to intimidate (can also mean "menace" or "threaten") that Khoikoi. That's what I'm thinking of now.''

I wouldn't exactly be shaking in my boots at the thought of the cyber-"threats" of an anti-Semite (she also called you baş belası yahudi, or "troublesome Jew", on that page), but I just thought you should know, if you didn't already. —Saposcat 04:28, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You can do as you like (copy to hard drive or keep on Wiki) with the translations; it doesn't bother me either way.


 * Inanna scares me a bit (or rather, quite a bit). The others involved in that conversation, though, are capable of reason (I know, because I've seen them both be reasonable), and what scares me most is their getting roped into her rather disturbed cabal. —Saposcat 07:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Oops, sorry. I didn't mean to misspell your name. —Saposcat 07:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Turkey-geo-stub split
There aren't only three stubs which this is splitting into - in fact there are seven. The other four don't show up on the initial page, but rather with the letters of the alphabet they go with. The one you're looking for for Adana is MediterraneanTR-geo-stub. Perhaps someone could edit the Turkey-geo-stub category page so all of them show up in the text portion before the categories etc? Aelfthrytha 05:28, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Regarding my nationality, I prefer to remain ambiguous and mysterious. :) Aelfthrytha 05:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I will comment, however, that I am not Martian. Aelfthrytha 05:35, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, not a movie person. Aelfthrytha 05:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain...
...from trying to communicate with me, you are not an impartial person

Turkish Human Rights Organization
Hey, I think you removed the Turkish Human Rights thing by mistake. &mdash;Khoikhoi 07:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Your "friend" did that; I've just been looking over your link... --Moby 07:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * My friend? Check his talk page... ;) Would you be able to re-add it? &mdash;Khoikhoi 07:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I meant your "friend" -- I had noted some of the interactions between you. The site you gave wants me to register and I don't have time for this step at the moment; I'll be back in awhile and will review things then. --Moby 07:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman
I think he misses Diyako, so he is recruiting users to help him out Special:Contributions/Aucaman -- - K a s h  Talk 08:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hi Kholkhoi - thanks for the heads up - strangely enough I just added materials on these towns to my own site (most of it still needing translation to English). I'll keep an eye on things here (put 'em on my watchlist) and hopefully will have some interesting stuff online to be incorporated into the wikipedia articles soon. --RaffiKojian 10:58, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, I did get permisison to use the Wegner photos on Wikipedia - the details are on my user page. --RaffiKojian 10:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Thanks for the welcome message on my talk page. I see you are quite busy here in wikipedia :) I also saw some of the discussions you had with my fellow countrymen.  Frankly speaking, I enjoyed the reading.  What's your interest in Turkey related articles?  It may be nice to share ideas. Anyway, see you around in wikipedia.  Cheers --Gokhan 12:53, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi again, Could you help me or direct me on how to create categories? I created 2 templates for my schools and I would like to make them categories as well, like "Wikipedians in Turkey" etc.  Thanks!  --Gokhan 07:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Personal Attacks
Just to illustrate how biased you truly are, here is the message of THOTH that I responded to:

"Certainly he has every right to believe in and speak about any fiction he so desires - with his buddies while playing backgammon and smoking his hooka at some sidewalk cafe along the Bosophorus...however we have more important things to concern ourselves with then responding to the tantrums of 5 year olds or their equivilant. I guess I have every right to go on an Astronomy page concerning the moon and claim that it is made of cheese or go on a geography page and claim that the earth is flat...or to contest that Hitler and his cronies killed 6 million Jews - I'm sure you would agree eh? --THOTH 01:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)"

Do you see the personal attack in it or do I need to point it out in the middle where he calls me a 5 year old. I dont know about you but I qualify that as a crystal clear case of personal attack! But offcourse, it doesnt suit your agenda to mention it because you are highly biased on the subject matter, everyone knows that! Lutherian 16:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Kizilbash and Tajiks
Hello Khoikhoi. Please send me an E-Mail, so I can send you two interesting and informative articles of the Encyclopaedia of Islam regarding Kizilbash and Tajiks. Since your English is way better than mine, you could use the information to improve these articles in Wikipedia. Thx Tajik 20:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dude
Maybe it's you, maybe it's not you. If he thinks that you are Armenian and you are an admin, well, de te fabula narratur. But still nothing that bad, just complaints. Ciao! Behemoth 00:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

email
Hey Khoi, whats your e-mail? i have some great pics and wanted to share with you. They are rare photos of Chechen war. Regards Noxchi Borz 01:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Khoi i sent you an email via wiki. Noxchi Borz 14:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

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Do you know the name of that turkish vandalizer which is considered top vandalizer of wiki?--Darkred 07:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I remember seeing some article about a certain user who never stop vandalizing, he has been banned several times but always creates new usernames, or edits with many different IPs. And it seems he only vandalizes the turkish related articles, however i wanted to read more about him but i forgot what his username was, and also thought perhaps this new guy and togrol are both him. --Darkred 07:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm not really, but it seems there are alot of them. :) Cheers --Darkred 07:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Eh, it seems hes using a new Ip to vandalize, can he bust me for 3RR for reverting his vandalism? --Darkred 07:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I see, thx. --Darkred 07:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes i know how, and it's better that i will report, since i already have a history of these stuff! :) --Darkred 07:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I havn't read the sipahis talk page completely, but saposcat told me he may have a point? did he have any sources for his claims and did you come to an agreement regarding the sipahis or other artices he edited? --Darkred 08:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok done, i wonder if it was worth all that trouble filling in the list, just to report one of his usernames! cheers --Darkred 09:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the Safavids were Persian Misinformation
I understand that you are just misinformed rather than with any agenda. The Azeri people Oghuz Turks. That has been proven by Lev Gumilev (who is neither biased nor a Turk) during his fourty year old research into the spread and settlement of the Western Hun Turks. Safavids belonged to the Salur tribe of the Oghuz tribe. They were not Persian, let alone speaking persian. Furthermore Ismail I was definitely Turkish as Yavuz Sultan Selim and he consistently conflicted on who had the right to rule the Turanian-Turkic peoples (aside from their constant belligerence on Shi'ite Sunni religious differences).

I am telling you these in good will, and I hope you will turn towards veritas instead of pleasing bickering users with some sort of half-truth concessive entry.

I hope you understand

--Vox Magna 07:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Refs
No problem ;) I have some concerns about cite.php and prefer it not be used until its better. - FrancisTyers 09:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Andre Agassi
hi, i reverted your recent edit to the page because i feel like it's not fully accurate. if we are to use your suggestion then we would have to call him (assyrian-armenian-iranian) which serves no purpose, i believe, when the two ethnicities are mentioned below in the article. further, both those ethnicities fall under iranian anyway, as citizens, so it would be the most accurate.

but if you want to discuss it more, just use the talk page so we can see how other users feel and come to some agreement, i was just rv'ing edits made by anonymous users who offered no reason. thanks George McFly 11:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC-5)


 * cool, and thanks for the links and tips, it's nice to see someone help George McFly 04:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Nonsense by permabanned Inanna
Listen up Kokosh, your intention is obvious.I've just understood that in Orhan Pamuk conflict.You cannot even guess how many sockpuppets i've there at the moment.You cannot confirm everyone in case your relations.At least, i press money and hire a couple of people for this job and even make them admins.I would never mind mikipedia if it wasn't seen at the top of searching engines as i've said before.Anyone can obviously see that here is attending for a propaganda.However, i offer you a deal.Otherwise you can guess what i will be able to do.I know too much more stuff than you know.You can write your comments there -->(You don't have to sign in).By the way, i'm not Karaman but he was a man of mine.I'm not as patient as him... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.102.254.195 (talk • contribs)


 * Yeah right, and I thought The Matrix had a dark dire conspiracy theory :-))) "Kokosh" is a man of integrity, who cannot be corrupted by cheap bribes, you're wasting your time, Inanna. Telex 16:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Aha!so, nightmares do come back! do not worry, they are just dreams. Inanna can harm noone and can do nothing:p --Hectorian 16:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, all her sockpuppets will simply be blocked and reverted, thereby preserving the neutral state of the articles :-) Telex 16:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

That's why he is deleting all official sources, editing 3 times higher the minorities in Turkey, adding provoking commnets and so on.

You can do nothing.By the way telex, why couldn't you give the nation what you belong to?


 * I'm a cosmopolitan, I have no nation. Telex 16:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I can guess but anyway.AND Kokosh, as Bonaparte's said: "Turks can be killed but cannot be beaten" ;)


 * Yeah --> First Balkan War... whooosshh... Telex 16:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW what can you guess. For all you know, I could be an Orhan Pamuk style Turk. Telex 16:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Khoikhoi, thanks for the link;-). i was trying to find it at the same time (but u acted quicker, as always!). Telex, pls, do not feed her...As u can see, she is 'starving' now that she got banned:p --Hectorian 16:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

DumluPınar: 60,000 Turkish Soliders who had nothing, have annihilated compeletly only in 45 minutes 250,000 greek soliders who had all kind of equipments from their lords...

There was a tachnical problem in Balkan Wars.If you give rights to other nations(such as we), no doubt!


 * Please do not answer her. &mdash;Khoikhoi 16:50, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Its one of those days
When I feel that Wikipedia is seriously not worth the trouble :( -- - K a s h  Talk 18:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I saw the sockpuppet user check thing.. What does "Possible" actually mean? it looks like the function isn't as good as I thought it'd be -- - K a s h  Talk 09:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Geber II
Hi! When I modifeid Jabir-related articles, you went around spamming all iranian editors about it. Look what ManiF did here Sulfuric_acid. Ethnicity is irrelevant there. He only wants to transport his hobby (ethnic-wars) to all articles. And you thought I am the bad guy!jidan 18:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with u. Problem is some people don't think that way. jidan 02:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thessaloniki
The anon is right. there must be a sort of misunderstanding: the Thessaloniki Prefecture is much larger than the urban area or the municipality. the number u edit represents the municipality, whereas his represents the prefecture. but u both agree on the urban area's number (strange enough:p). we have to edit the official numbers here, cause unofficially the metropolitan area has about 1.5 mil. (including illegal or not immigrants, students from other places of greece, etc). --Hectorian 22:50, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hehe;-).No, it is fine. compair the prefecture and the city  articles, with their population numbers. The anon mentioned the population of the prefecture of which the city is capital. (if i could, i would rename the prefectures of greece, so that none of them would have the same name with its capital...it is confusing!) --Hectorian 23:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Aren't you going to answer Inanna's invitation above? :-) Telex 23:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

What a load :-) They really do seem to take this seriously, when I'm reverting what I view as nationalistic drivel on Adana, I'd never have imagined that it means so much to them. Don't forget to check under your bed and in your cupboards tonight, you troublesome Jew, Inanna may be there ;-) Telex 00:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I honestly can't understand though how she plans to intimidate you - I daren't imagine ;-) Telex 00:07, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Haha!i read the translation...it is really funny!'a nice bite of amusement at 4 o'clock in the morning!'.so,according to the troll,the administrators,some turkish editors,the majority of all the other editors,the non-turkish sources,etc are all making a propaganda!and all these,under the leadership of u,my friend!lol,tell me,how u succeed in this?;-) --Hectorian 00:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't feed the troll, raunchy guys... :)))

Thanks!
Thanks for the welcome! :-) Flamethrower 00:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Iranian peoples
As this page seems destined to become a nationalist platform, I was thinking it should just get nixed. What do you think? Tombseye 02:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I wanted to see what people would say to your idea and that seems to have been basically as controversial as adding the Azeris. Frankly, there is no clear reason to include Azeris except that SOME of the Persians (and Iranian Azeris I guess) think the Azeris are an Iranian people because they still don't comprehend what Iranian peoples refers to and I doubt they even read the article in some cases. Basically, the simplistic rationale is that there were Iranian tribes there once and the Azeris were part of Persia etc. and thus ergo Azeris are an Iranian people since, to some of them at least, Persian and Iranian is synymous. Remember that we added mention of the Azeris first and then a section to discuss them and mention of Turko-Iranians, all to no avail. Basically, I guess they want to list the Azeris and then probably add completely unverifiable (and thus original research) info. that they are descended from Iranic tribes, while ignoring the other possibilities including a Caucasian background as well as some Turkic admixture and obviously the language. Very selective interpretation for nationalist purposes, not that Azeris aren't guilty of that at times as well. I mean reading the article the way I wrote, you get what the Iranian peoples are, right? Where would the Azeris honestly fit in there? Possible Iranian people? Argghhhhhhh! Tombseye 02:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I think what you need to understand is that people have different views and opinions on the topic, not that YOU are correct and WE are not. Also, there is evidence that Azeris spoke an Iranian language and changed afterwards (link in the relevant talk page), so even though it seems obvious to me, atleast I totally appreciate why it may not be to other people, and I respect their opinion, but I also expect half of the same from others instead of thinking like this -- - K a s h  Talk 09:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Kash, I think you probably know that I'm far from anti-Persian or anything of that sort. The evidence linking the Azeris is very flimsy and they are generally considered a Turkic people as the language criteria is what usually determines these matters. The assimilation section is where we can and do discuss the Azeris. We've already made the compromise by mentioning the Azeris and discussing them as a Turko-Iranian people. Yes, and it's also possible that the Azeris spoke a Caucasian language and switched later. The genetic tests done in Azerbaijan (not Azerbajian, Iran) show them clustering with the Armenians and others moreso than Persians. All of that aside, they speak a Turkic language as well. Due to this ambiguity, surely you can see that there is no clear way to saying that they are an Iranic people as the evidence is very weak and conjectural at best. The Azeris have three different sides to their identity if we lend equal credence to the Caucasus Albanians, Oghuz Turks, and Iranic tribes. This is hardly enough to LOGICALLY consider them an Iranian people. I don't think this is about having different views, this is more about the reasons why there are different views and the clarity of those views from an academic standpoint. This looks to me, as someone who is neither Persian or Azeri, as a clear-cut case of nationalism. Tombseye 20:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh and Khoikhoi, if you have any other alternate suggestions or perhaps we should get an arbitration committee or something let me know. I'd like to get this resolved so that the little free time I have to spend on wikipedia goes towards writing articles rather than edit conflicts. ;) Tombseye 20:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Bazaar!
After seeing "The population of Piranshahr is totally Kurdish." I knew something was wrong, so a quick look at the history shows:

"62.179.100.98" - contributes Articles such as: Kurdistan Democratic Party of Iran, Mahabad, Piranshahr, etc.

"62.179.100.99" - contributes Articles such as: Mahabad, Piranshahr, West Azarbaijan Province, etc

"62.179.100.100" - contributes Articles such as: Mahabad, Piranshahr, Iranian Kurdistan, and some rather strange articles..hmm

Then we have:

"62.179.100.101" very similarly close to last IP, contributes Articles such as: Mahabad, Piranshahr, Iranian Kurdistan, Jericho, West Azarbaijan Province

I don't know. If that checkuser thing really works, perhaps worth a look..scary thing is that the dates are all similar hmm

ps. Sorry for spamming your talk today!  - K a s h  Talk 14:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Re:Merhaba
Hi. My great-grandmother used to speak Adyghe language, do some dances and cook some food. My grandmother is not that authentic I'm afraid. Some of the Adyghe in Turkey have organizations and they also try to revive their culture. Especially with the latest developments in Turkey, it may be easier. Some of them are more partisan but I think there are also people who are milder on this. I'm also interested to learn more about this issues. My father's wife has Crimean Tatar roots for example, the whole country is like a huge melting pot. I wish we could go along with others (you know who) as well --Gokhan 14:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Take a look
Have you clicked this link today? Dmcdevit·t 18:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, I thought I'd inform you that, because I did the translation quickly so as to get you up to speed on what was being said, I made some mistakes in the translation of the "Wikipedia Sorunu" (which translates as "Wikipedia Problem", incidentally). Nothing big or meaningful—the threatening implications and the POV coordination were clearly there and I didn't get those wrong; just a few wrong tenses here and there and a few things phrased a bit wrongly—but mistakes nonetheless. If you'd like, I can go through it more carefully and try to get it absolutely right, which may be a must insofar as it could be (or actually, has been (i.e. TuzsuzDeliBekir's block extension)) used as evidence against those involved. —Saposcat 18:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I've made the corrections; not so many as I'd feared, and like I said, none of my mistakes in translation change the import of the messages in any way.


 * Incidentally, while I was going over the text again, I think I may have realized what Inanna meant by "hacked" sources (she'd used the mysterious phrase in a few other places, as I recall): probably, it has something to do with unsavory elements—and you can guess what she would mean by such—getting some sort of information that doesn't jibe with her way of thinking onto websites that are otherwise trustworthy. Anyway, I'd rather not go on too much about that, since that's a mind that I definitely don't want to probe very deeply into.


 * Take care. —Saposcat 19:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't see Greek names in articles such as Smyrna or Istanbul. Lesbos has no connection to the Turks except being once part of the Ottoman Empire. What arguments can you bring up in defence of your edits? Saying that there's Greek and Armenian names in other articles (on regions that were once inhabited strictly by Greeks and Armenians) is not enough of an argument. Miskin 16:18, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me I meant to say Izmir, old habits die hard. None of the articles you mentioned mentions the Greek or Armenian name in its head, as in the case of Lesbos (which sort of implies that either Turks still live there or that Turkish is one of the state's official languages). Although I wouldn't have a problem for the Turkish name to be mentioned somewhere in the article of Lesbos (although I can't possibly imagine of a context), it is absurd to have it in the head. I hope you can see why Smyrna, a 2800 year old Greek city would have more of a reason to mention its Greek name (maybe to begin with because Izmir is the corruption of the real name). I can't find a similar analogy in the case of Lesbos. In respect to the island's history, a Italian, British or even Frankish version of the name would have much greater relevance than the Turkish one. Miskin 16:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll change it back and put the article on watch. Miskin 16:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC) I checked where I had to in order to be fair, and I verified that Greek cities with Turkish population do include the Turkish name, see Komotini and Xanthi. Miskin 16:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

My ban
The ArbCom has decided to unaminously ban me from all Iran-related articles, despite my being one of the most active contributors in that area for over a year, and despite my having always provided sources for my edits whenever possible. They have not even had the decency to launch a new ArbCom case against myself personally where I would be able to properly defend myself. I have effectively been censored and silenced. Hopefully all the hard work I've put into these articles will not be undone by those who never cease to push their POV and personal opinions. As I will soon no longer be active on WP, I would like to say that it was very nice collaborating with you, as you have been one of the very few neutral editors I have had the fortune of knowing, and I trust that you will continue your efforts in helping direct WP towards NPOV, despite the extreme difficulty in doing so. Take care, SouthernComfort 18:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Kizilbash
please visit this page and pass the judgement on our little problem there. Thanks abdulnr 22:31, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Hi
Hello Khoikhoi,

I personally do not belong to no minority group of Iran but after coming to US I feel I can understand them better. As to your comment, I am afraid I disagree since based on what I have read about Judaism, being a Jews unlike being a Musim or Christian implies descending from Issac(like being "Seyed" in Iran but with the difference that being "Seyed" has nothing to with being a Muslim). So, Jews believe they are descendents of Issac who was Hebrew. Now, saying Iranians are descendents of "Aryans" automatically proves Iranian Jews are not Iranians. All the issue is about the word descendent. To persians this may not have much importance but to Jews it has. --Aminz 23:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree "most Persians are descendants of the Aryans" but saying Persians are descendants of the Aryans is BAD. Why must we use the word "descendants" here? Re "I can tell you that things in the Torah are not necessarily historically accurate" I have heard that Book of Esther is so, BUT how one can know which parts are accurate and which parts are not. In any case, I think we must avoid excluding "Persian Jews" from being Persians. They are Persian exactly as much as I am Persian. Not anymore discrimination! --Aminz 23:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * There is discrimination here. That sentence excludes "Persians" from being "Jews". I'll strive towards NPOV there as soon as I am done with my final exams. --Aminz 23:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I, too, want to at least try though I know all persians (including me) are racist at least to some extent. Let's see. --Aminz 23:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I was serious. Persians don't like Arabs since Arabs attacked Persia. You can easily see this in the soccer matches between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Arabs also don't like Persians since they think their race is better than Persians I think. Khoikhoi, "to some extent" all Persians are racist. I think Chinese are also racist to some extent. I have only felt this sense among Persians maybe it is true everywhere. Maybe, maybe not! --Aminz 00:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * btw, 40 million people is not accurate. I think 70 million people is more accurate. --Aminz 00:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, you are right ;) --Aminz 00:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * "Az sohbate ba shoma khosh-hal shodam". Az sohbate ba shoma man ham khosh-hal shodam (nice to talk to you too) --Aminz 01:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure "از صحبت با شما خوشحال شدم". Take care, --Aminz 01:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

OCS
Thanks for the speedy revert on Old Church Slavonic. I'm very irked these people don't realize that Wikipedia has to use the terms preferred in contemporary scholarship, no matter how much they as individuals disagree with the nomenclature. CRCulver 01:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Yeah, hey &mdash; thanks. I decided to not follow the customary form-pasting of RFA thank-you notes. I think a blanket or spot thank-yous are a much better idea. Again, if you need any janitorial stuff taken care of, then by all means ask. Take care. Saravask 03:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

No, i do not mind either:).Thanks --Hectorian 03:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

It was just a matter of time...I had not seen of it, but i had read the translation of what they had been discussing on that forum, and i was totally disgust! it is nice to see that policies are working and that admins are doing what they should do. btw, i hope Inanna will stop bothering u...I wonder, won't she ever get tired? For Gods sake! --Hectorian 03:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Hehe. I mean bothering in the wikipedian way of meaning: leaving u ridiculous msgs... She insists so much in talking against u! she seems like she got obsessed against the 'troublesome jew', although she is the only one who has such troubles with u! of course, the admins cannot be everywhere-everytime, they need some info sometimes:) --Hectorian 03:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Translation
"Ne drazni gusey" (Не дразни гусей!) literally means "Don't rag the geeze". The closest in English I know is "Don't wag the dog!" Cheers and thanks! --Irpen 04:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Hayır, görmemiştim
But I guess this is good news. By the way, there are some poor translations in. When Inanna says "...intimadate him with facts about", she means "facts" about Jews. The maddi destek TDB demands is not "tangible support" but financial support. I think TDB will now go to his buddies and tell them that he is blocked by the evil Judeo-Armenian lobby for being a Turk and also produce lots of sockpuppets. Ciao! Behemoth 06:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC) To notice, Turkish nationalists don't like Nelson Mandela you admire. When he rejected the "Atatürk Peace Prize" (which was also awarded to Kenan Evren) in 1992, Turkish media was full of inflammatory comments against him. Cartoonist Bedri Koraman (a "leftist") drew a cartoon depicting Mandela as a cannibal in Milliyet. Some commented that a "female communist Jew" was behind this decision; they mean Gill Marcus. Ciao! Behemoth 07:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know that Saposcat guy. Why him? Is he a Mandela-loving Turkish nationalist?

Mandela rejected the award and told that Turkish government has human rights violations against its Turkish citizens. What a filthy lie! I guess those communist Jews around him misinformed the little, poor Negro. As you know, Kurds can be presidents, ministers, etc. There is no discrimination against them. In fact, there are no Kurds... Take a look at this, Metb82 warns TDB to obey the 3R and civility rules, "some admins are after us". Ciao! Behemoth 03:46, 07 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry about the mistakes. I'm not perfect. In any case, I think we could have expected nothing else from the two of them. Just maybe watch out for the other party in that particular triumvirate, although I think that he/she is a bit more reasonable than the permabanned ones (one can only hope ... ). —Saposcat 19:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * thanx Saposcat :) Metb82 09:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Ozůr dilerim kardesim for some of those peoples comments against you, which I have read. From what I know of you, I know you realize that Turkish and Azeri people are generally reasonable and not Anti-Semitic.

Well how do we recognize Safavid turkish heritage, without alienating Persian one. Tajik insists upon Persian-ness of the dynasty.

So I propose the following: The Safavids were a Iranian dynasty from Azerbaijan that were supported by large Turkic-speaking tribal power base. Such version would allow avoiding mentioning their ethnicity. abdulnr 22:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

current version on the Safavid Controversy is a bit of weaseling, isnt'it?. abdulnr

Redirects
Hello, can you do me a favor and fix double redirects here. For the context, see Talk:History of Russo-Turkish wars. Thanks, Ghirla  -трёп-  08:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, they were. Thanks for your time. You may want to check talk page, too. -- Ghirla -трёп-  17:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Ganser
Yes it is. The website has a loads of information about Gladio in all kinds of countries, it is very interesting. Tazmaniacs 19:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It is very interesting. I only knew a bit about Gladio concerning the Red Brigades before, but now I have a much larger picture. In a very different kind of thing, you may be interested in having a look at the Clearstream scandal. Salud y libertad! Tazmaniacs 19:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome.Would you like to add something to discussion page of USA?

Inanna is back!
Just look at this. Ciao! Behemoth 09:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Now that's just hilarious. Also somewhat unfortunate that she is back as anti-vandalism efforts will have to be redoubled. Tombseye 18:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Ha, yeah I figured as much. Inanna has a distinctive way of writing that is both shrill and illogical. It's a lethal combo that makes for maximum aggravation! Her tirade on the US page being a case in point or the lack thereof. Tombseye 18:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Holy crap, she's nuts! And apparently she's not alone. Man, does she sound like a Nazi: he's a troublesome Jew. Their attitude reminds me of something I recently watched on PBS about the Armenian Genocide and there were the pro-Turkish (1 American and 1 Turkish prof) and pro-Armenian debaters (1 Turkish and 1 Armenian prof) on. The middle ground seemed to me that there were groups of Armenian rebels who aligned themselves with the Russians and the Turks took it out on the entire population in essence. What was interesting was that the Turkish prof. simply thought it was not worth discussing even and felt it was meant to denigrate the Turks, while the other Turkish prof. was simply saying that everything in Turkey's past should be talked about as all nations have good and 'bad' events etc. Has nothing to do with the people of today unless of course they support mass murder etc. I think due to generations of propaganda that was fused with nationalism to move Turkey away from its Ottoman past, many people simply support these bizarre views that there are no minorities in Turkey and that the Kurds are Mountain Turks etc. On the one hand it's to promote a sense of national unity and, in some cases, benevolent brotherhood. In other cases, it's more virulent and meant to relegate others to a subordinate status. Regardless, Innana's completely irrational. Tombseye 18:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Aucaman
This arbitration case is now closed and the decision is published.

For the Arbitration Committee. --14:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Re:Melting pot
It's an interesting heritage... By the way I lived 5.5 years in the Netherlands, I spoke some Dutch :) Nice country.  --Gokhan 17:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I lived in Rotterdam the whole time, at the city center, at this place --Gokhan 17:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you ever go there? I also knew some people half dutch half american.  It should be interesting to speak different languages with your relatives, a true global family... Btw do you have any knowledge about jewish cuisine? I'm interested in culinary matters and I'm sure I'll like that cuisine as well.  --Gokhan 07:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Iranian peoples
I don't know what we can do dude. There isn't much room for compromise as some of the people just want to include the Azeris fully as an Iranic people without nuance or anything. I have a suggestion though, perhaps the article should be renamed Iranic peoples and the term Iranian peoples could redirect to the page, while Iranian people could redirect to the demographics of Iran. In addition, we should discuss expansion of the Turko-Iranian page to further explore and clarify the issues at hand. Let me know what you think. Tombseye 18:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That would be cool if we could come to some compromise. I just can't figure out what that would mean at this point since we did add mention of the Azeris, gave a section to discuss the Turko-Iranians etc. Some guy added a link to a map though that shows not only Azeris, but the Caucasian Dagestanis and other non-Iranian peoples as Iranian. Apparently, this sort of thinking can be extended quite far. Yeesh. Tombseye 18:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey that could be a good addition to the article. I mean it's at least relevant to the discussion. Also, you know who left me a little note. I feel so special knowing that she looks at my discussion page from time to time! ;) Tombseye 23:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

California
I have been invited for a visit soon and I am thinking about it.. How is the weather forecast looking? Hehe I think I will be at S.Ca though :) -- - K a s h  Talk 20:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No actually it will be my first visit - it's very excitening! I hope I have time to do abit of research on where to visit. My cousin has just been accepted at UCLA I think and the main reason for my invitation is his party!! -- - K a s h  Talk 21:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Santa Monica Pier looks good! yeah I have heard of the Persian community..definately cant wait. The community in London is nowhere as big I believe so its gonna be fun :) -- - K a s h  Talk 21:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

1248
RVC was "Vandalistic Crap" and BE was "Blanking edit". 68.39.174.238 22:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just to get peoples' attention, although the "_ _TOC_ _" seems to do it about as well. Also, there are others, RSBE, etc for "Series of...". 68.39.174.238 23:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Question
An anon in Izmir added this to your user page quite some time ago. Is it vandalism? &mdash;Khoikhoi 00:05, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I guess so, because I do not know the anonymous user or have told anyone to do it but I don't mind the edit because he/she did a favor for me; wrote a sentence in Turkish which briefly talks about me, you know, it is hard to type with Turkish letters on a English keyboard :) so thanks to anon. The anon also wrote my name with a url to my picture which isn't hard to find if you search it on google, if it is the ultra nationalist Turks somehow trying to threaten me :) Ozgur Gerilla 00:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

(ශ්‍රී ලංකා in Sinhala/ இலங்கை in Tamil)
(ශ්‍රී ලංකා in Sinhala/ இலங்கை in Tamil)

Re - Artical Edited in "SRI LANKA"

Articals in this edition should be written in English.Plus if you dont know both languages rather than having one language and other having question mark train???????,Its better not to have both.

Reference Converter
Hey I'm wondering that since you made those changes via Reference Converter, how exactly do I list sources again? Do I simple use the method and reuse RefConv. after I added the sources?

Anyways, thanks for your effort.--MarshallBagramyan 01:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Assyrians page
Thanks, will do. That page could possibly be nominated as one of the worse page in wiki. I mean it has it all; false info, contracting itself, poorly written, too long, you name it! Chaldean 03:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh brother, here we go again.... Chaldean 13:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Selamünaleyküm birader!
Remember this friend of ours? I found a discussion on the talk page of 6-7 Eylül Olayları. During the course of the discussion he says something against Jews and another person accuses him of being anti-Semite and thus şerefsiz ("you don't have honour"). The other guy is warned by admins for insulting him and the guy tells that he should take back his anti-Semitic remarks. Then what happens? "Our friend" writes "I am not taking my word back...I am proud to be an anti-Semite" That's how things work at Turkish Wiki. I guess that's why they are shocked when they come here. Ciao! Behemoth 07:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You guys are great! Greetings to both :) --Gokhan 11:23, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

He's talking about the greeks.Not the jews.You should learn Turkish if you want to make translation...

User:Cool Cat's disruption of Kurdish categorization efforts
Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

Care to comment? --Moby 11:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Heja helweda
He is insisting on including that paragraph. I believe the source is not "solid" and "verifable" as Jimbo insists that disputable information should be, or be removed. Please see Talk:History of the Kurds, perhaps I am wrong. -- - K a s h  Talk 11:30, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Photo
Hello Khoikhoi.

I noticed that you nominated one of my photos as a featured picture candidate, and just wanted to drop you a line to say that I am really honoured by that. Also thank you making the pic lighter, as it rightly was tilted I just adjusted it. Thanks! Bertilvidet 12:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism by 87.228.138.69
Hi, the anonymous user 87.228.138.69 (see contribs) edited several Turkish related articles by inserting pro-Greek Cypriot links. I reverted them. Is there a way to block or stop this user? Was I legit by reverting? :) --Gokhan 14:22, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information about vandalism/spam issue. They were government links surely, but I think governments have POV issues as well in this situation :) --Gokhan 06:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Why do you keep removing what I edit
if I am suppposed to get your permission or talk with the board to get permission to edit a part of the page then why is there a edit button write next to the test, this whole wikipidia thing is not right a few people write an article with some kind of personal judgement and emotions

I thought wikipidia was a matter of truth not self opinion

help
User:Catalyst in Society username edited re username change Coppertwig (talk) 03:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC) is vandalising the Serbia page. He wrote this and this, and also this in the Chaldean article, as well as many other articles, as can be seen from his contributions. We gotta do something before the situation gets worse. All he does is vandalism. -- serbiana -  talk  03:54, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Selam Khoikhoi!
I hope you have time to have a brief look at this discussion I started. Unfortunately, I guess we now have pro-CHP POV pushers. Görüşmek üzere. Behemoth 07:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Stephen
Can you please give me an advice for Stephen II Kotromanić (see through its history, please)? --HolyRomanEmperor 08:10, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I will not write anything on Cyprus Wiki page.

But it is not your right to edit TRNC Wiki page as well.

Hello Kholokoi
I call it "Peace Action". You call it "invasion".

Can you tell me How many people died before 1974? Ans: Thousands of Turks & Hundreds of Greeks

Can you tell me How many people died after 1974? Ans: Turks: less than 3 & Greeks: less than three.

So, Now answer my question: Do you still insist that it is an invasion? OR: Will you understand that it is a really peace action?

Sorry MR Khoihoi
Yeah sorry man, i guess i just got a little errrrrrr, carried away lets say. Yeah i'll try and work 4 da good of Wiki. Yeah i dont wanna b considered a vandal- i probably wouldve changed it anyway. Sorry.

Yeah Yeah I get the point
OK OK IT WAS JUST A FRIGGIN JOKE AND IT WAS OFF IN TWO SECONDS JUST CALM DOWN ITS ALL FIXED.

Image Sources
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The page concerned is Ioannis Fourakis. If you have time go and see what I mean. Γεια !

History of Azerbaijan
Do you think it’s time to request unprotection of History of Azerbaijan? There are a number of changes to be made, but the page is locked. Grandmaster 19:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
I will try that if he continues to refuse to discuss. Say hello to my favourite Hellas. --HolyRomanEmperor 11:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Zoroastar and Kurds
First he added it as a "legend", now he is adding it as a fact! unbelievable! -- - K a s h  Talk 15:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I have put him up at Usercheck thing -- - K a s h  Talk 17:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * :( .. - K a s h  Talk 17:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

User talk:88.196.18.191
Hi, Is that some sort of BOT? It visits my page regularly, each time with a different IP. ThanksUser:Mikereichold | User_talk:Mikereichold 22:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Semi-protection is not something I'd considered. Thanks.User:Mikereichold | User_talk:Mikereichold 01:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Nakhichevan
The source is Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary that was published in 1890-1906 years. So it cannot possibly refer to 1918. The article in Brockhaus does not explicitly said what year it is refer to, but the previous paragraph tells about the 1896 census for the population figures, so I assume the ethnic mix of the people is for the 1896 year (and in any case no later than 1906).

The paragraph says: Russians — 0,22%, Kurds — 0,56%, Armenians — 42,21%, Aderbajdzhan tatars — 56,95%, Georgians and Gipsies 0,06%. 42,2% of pouplation — are of Armenian Cristianity, 57% are Shea muslims abakharev 01:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Human rights in Turkey
I checked and it looked like troublemaking (bordering on vandalism) from a couple of anon ips. Edit warring about Words to avoid is kind of a waste of time. Maybe they've calmed down now though. If you like I'll unprotect and see what happens. - FrancisTyers 01:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding our separatist status
Lol, that's just freakin' weird. Yeah, having read that I am also convinced that they have no clue as to what the usage of Iranian peoples means. I really believe, at this point, that a possible solution is to use Iranic peoples as it's not all that uncommon and we can have Iranian peoples redirect to it. After all the attempts at some compromise, this is pretty much all that's left. Otherwise, we'll have to sit there and argue the same points to people are only thinking of Iran when talking the Iranian peoples. I know understand why that collage and pictures that were put up were mostly Iranian Persians as well. Nothing wrong with that except, the number of Persians was vastly disproportionate. Lemme know what you think. Tombseye 02:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Man, I'll say one thing for you, you never give up the good fight! Okay, I'll try to respond to the anons. Actually, another thing was that I found that there were a lot of references to Iranic in academia (under a search on googlescholar.com). What makes the term viable is that it also makes confusing the modern Iranians of Iran much harder as it's a different term and it's a blanket term like Hunnic etc. Just something to think about since I think the anons are, as we've said, simply not getting what Iranian peoples means in terms of the article even after the compromises such as including the ancient Azaris. Also, there is the possibility that casual readers may also not get it, but I find it hard to believe that people who actually read the article can't comprehend it. Definite case of cognitive dissonance. Say, I just got a message from abdulnr regarding a picture for Turkmen people. He has some pictures and since you're the man with the better picture editor, I figured you might want to help out as we try to bring that article (and History of Turkmenistan) up to speed. Tombseye 03:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah three pics I have in mind - two are in History of Turkmenistan article (a girl in national dress and Turkmen National poet Makhtumkuli) and obligatory Turkmenbashi.Let me know if you need more...and thanks a lot for the offer of help abdulnr 17:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

GEORGIA IS EUROPE!!!
Hi. My name is Soso and I am from Tbilisi, Georgia. Dear User:Pasquale and User:Khoikhoi, please read this first (http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/APFeaturesManager/defaultArtSiteView.asp?ArtId=352). Historically and culturally Georgia belongs to Europe. Even ancient Greeks mentioned Iberia and Colchis, which are the mysterious ancestors of Georgian tribes. Various German scientists find connections between Georgian tribes and Etruscans and if is not valid enough, according to Archeological findings of head bones, Georgians are the oldest inhabitants on the European continent. I don’t see the reason why should I be proving the thing that is so "self-evident" on this wikipedia page. The country which is considered the second oldest Christian nation should be considered as the part of Europe too. The head bones say that Georgians lived in the Caucasus long time before Indo-Europeans even got there. Our language is unique and has not mixed into Latin language a lot, but we have some influence from Greece. When we move to middle ages, on of the biggest monarchs of Georgia was Queen Tamara in 1160, when any major Western European country would not even think of having a female ruler. After all, I was brought up in Georgia and I have seen European mentality with my own eyes. We waive European flags ad sing Beethoven's 9th symphony. It is just a result of having a weak economy after all the Soviet oppression and a bad ideology in the country that I have to prove these ridiculous things to you. However, Georgian people are talented and are willing to work and rebuilt the nation, like German rebuilt the country after World War II. President Saakashvili mentions nearly in every speech that Georgia should thrive towards EU. In fact, I don't see why we should not be in EU if countries like Turkey are going to enter it. If you guys read lots of Russian Marxist - Commie philosophies about Georgia you can still keep changing Eastern Europe to Eurasia, but I will l stand up to that and change it back every single time you change to Eurasia, like I would stand up against Commies. Let that be another step for Georgia's integration to EU.

Hi there, selam!
LOL, unbelievable. Apparently someone else said the person is referring to the Greeks, not the Jews however.
 * In fact, that's not the case. He wrote "That part about Jews who migrated is very funny. For God's sake, please give me the list of those migrating Jews. In Turkey, which Jew will say that he is a Jew? I hope these men migrate some day and this country can have some comfort. If one wants to look at the list of Jews in Turkey, he should see the article Sabbateanism." Then the polemic with the other guy on anti-Semitism and the other guy wants him to take his word back. Then, "I am not taking my word back. Like the way innocent Turkish people become honourless [in the article], I have the right to tell the Jews and Donmeh, who were a fifth column during the War of Independence and wanted us to come under American mandate, to go. Also, I am proud to be an anti-Semite. Anti-Semitism is coined by the West to silence people who talk about what the Jews have been doing. I am proud to have that title."  Yes, that's what he wrote. Ciao! Behemoth 18:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes I have write that. I am proud to being this "anti-seminist".Ruzgar 14:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kurdish inhabited region deletion nom
Yes it was initialy a comprimise but after seeing the Kurdish Cities and Kurdish Provinces cat I realised what we are doing or trying to do with this category can be quie problematic. No wehere else do we categorise by ethnicity even when we have census data establish ethnicity rations. For kurds we dont even have that. All we have is an asumption that kurds dominate random cities, provinces, and other places. -- Cat out 19:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but there should be some category for Kurds. I mean, there must be some reliable sources out there that confirm that they're a majority in certain cities or provinces. Also, is there any way to fix the Turkish people page? If "Turkish" is only a nationality as you said before, than the two main ethnic groups in Turkey are Kurds and...? Please explain, thanks. &mdash; Khoikhoi 03:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * There are no reliable sources to determine if kurds are a majority anywhere in the midle east. There was never a census. Take a look at United States Census, 2000. That gives us reliable info regarding ethnicity, even with that we do not tag based on ethnicity.
 * This isnt about weather or not kurds are a majority. This is about us tagging based on ethnicity. We do not do anything like this on the rest of wikipedia. Consider me tagging all cities and provinces of [France]], Germany and many other nations with a "White inhabited region" category. Or much better consider how hard it would be to tag cities like Jerusalem.
 * -- Cat out 09:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Helping with NPOV
Yeah, thank you for pointing that out. I'll revert them back. Hakob 00:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

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ok
I'm on it! --RaffiKojian 02:19, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

A Link
I noticed on some other pages you expressed interest in learning Turkish. You might like to look at [www.learningpracticalturkish.com] - and if you look around the site a little, I promise that you will find the swears section to be truly encyclopedic. Aelfthrytha 03:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry at Iranian peoples
Ha, man that's just hilarious. And the sockpuppet keeps trying to set the agenda on top of stacking the votes. Alright, well at least we know that the extremists (3 of 'em) are really one so that helps. At this point, I'm thinking that the sockpuppet needs to back off as he's pretty much discredited. I see you're having problems with the Georgia geography question. Thing is that Georgia's hard to define. It has history that overlaps and it exists in the Caucasus, which is also used arbitrarily as the line between Europe and Asia. Thus, Eurasian is really the only way to go given the circumstances. Also, I detect a touch of Asia xenophobia given the Islamic invasions that have taken place I'd imagine. Ah fun times. Tombseye 03:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Right, thanks for the info. on sockpuppetry. Never bothered to find out as I have no use for 'em. ;) Anyway, the compromise looks okay to me. If there are problems still, I'll help out as I don't think we are here to feed peoples' desire to presented in a way they like. Yes, they are the Mountain Jews. Thanks for reminding me as I forgot that that article existed. I've put it into the article as well. I think at this point, surely, we've done all we can to explain the situation vis-a-vis the Azaris and Azeris. Tombseye 04:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Central Asia
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Azaris are Iranian Peoples
Language is not the primary or most significant force in the contemporary world for labelling ethnicity. Look at Latin Americans, hey are not considered by anthropologists to be Europeans or Spanish just because they speak Spanish or Portugese. Even Hungary and Finland and Estonia speak Asiatic languages akin to Turkic, but are not considered as members of that race, even though they have the same Oriental/Asiatic ancestors as the Turkic peoples. They are mostly infaltrated by European peoples and so are considered as ethnic Europeans. This is the same for Azarbaijan. To say Azaris are Turks is to say that most Africans are Europeans because they speak English or French or Portugese. I ask you to reconsider your categorical support for a categorically wrong classification of Azaris. 72.57.230.179 06:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe we may have reached a concensus and through a process of give and take put together a compromise. WE aren't dealing in absolutes here and I personally added mention of the Azaris, while the situation of the modern Azeris is explained as well, including a cultural link with Persians and other factors. They are discussed on at least 4 separate occassions in the article which is more than enough to allow readers to consider the Azeris and their possible links to the Iranian peoples. Tombseye 15:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Turkmen/Turkoman divide
Hey what up dude. Ya know that's a good question and as far as I know the Turkoman speak a language more like Azeri and Turkish than the Turkmen language of Turkmenistan. All are similar though apparently. Hey good catch with the Iraqi Turkoman! Sheesh, getting so you type in anything and an article pops up. Tombseye 16:19, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah definitely. I had no idea this thing with the Turkmen was a such a mess. Apparently, the Turkomans speak a language that is mutually intelligible with Azerbaijani, but I guess for all intents and purposes their language is their own. It's definitely not the same as the Turkmen language, that's fo' sho'. Tombseye 16:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You got mail. Telex 16:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Azerbaijani people
Hi, would you mind to have a look at Azerbaijani people? Some anon pushes his POV and makes very poor edits to the article. Thanks. Grandmaster 19:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually it is not POV. Come to the discussion page. I have a totally viable and strong explanation that I am sure you will agree with. User:Grandmaster wants you to be an ally and push me into the margins with a numerical disadvantage, but I want you to be an unbiased judge and neutral party. 72.57.230.179 19:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Stop edit warring and support your claims with references to reliable sources. Grandmaster 20:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Please
PLease make sure that all users are civil and keep to diologue. Together we can make better and all that much more fairer articles. I am glad you are listening to me instead of fighting. 72.57.230.179 20:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I want diologue not this []. It is not nice and counter-productive. 72.57.230.179 21:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Georgia Portal
If you support to create Georgia Portal please vote here Portal/Proposals. Thanks. Noxchi Borz 20:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey K, I never got the chance to thank you for your support regarding List of Arab scientists and scholars. Thanks! And regarding the List of largest empires, I will post the reason why I think it should be Arab Empire and not Ummayed caliphate or whatever, I will not change until I hear your opinion ;-). cheers jidan 22:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Sidon
Glad you appreciated. :) FrancescoMazzucotelli 23:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I just happened to spend there one semester at a local university in 2000. Went back again last summer. FrancescoMazzucotelli 23:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I would like to explain more elaborately my position about the Sidon placenames, even though I believe that we have now reached a good compromise on the issue. First of all, I would like to clarify a possible ambiguity. The comments on the Sidon discussion page are not mine. When I wrote see discussion page for the reasons on the History page, I did not mean that I had made there my own point. I meant that, in my opinion, there were already enough arguments on that page to support my editing. As a historian of the Near East (a fact that might help to understand why most of my contributions are related to Lebanon and/or Syria), I have frequently been confronted with a heavily ideologized historiographic discourse and a quite slippery use of history for different ideological and political purposes. This is also realized through less blatant means, like emphasizing or skipping apparently minor details such as chronological sequences and placenames. While the average reader (understandably) doesn't probably appreciate what the fuss over an alternative spelling is all about, I tend to put the topic into that context. And although the assumption of bona fides (whenever applicable) is very important to me, I can't avoid to ponder whether the usage of a certain wording could be a hint of a possible non-NPOV and if the already existing information can be rearranged in order to provide a more accurate and more balanced information. Thanks again for your contribution and attention. Let's work in a climate of healthy and constructive criticism. FrancescoMazzucotelli 00:09, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

PKK photo
Hi. The same picture is also at the Civilian casualties caused by PKK article. &mdash; Khoikhoi 22:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think such a picture may be approporate on an article talking about the deceaced in the conflict. However, I do not believe it is absolutely necesary. A statistic can be much more encyclopedic.
 * I do not want to make contraversial edits on any article related to kurds since people do not seem to appriciate my efforts as it is apperant on the WP:ANB/I. I wont be intimidated by anyone. I will continue to make an effort to keep pov pushers at bay and continue to be vigilant however now I realise I should also be carefull. People seem to be trying very hard to find fault or a hidden agenda in my actions. Some are devoting their entier contribution to this end. I will not give them the satisfaction they seek.
 * Do not misunderstand me, I have no quarrel with you on the contrary I respect you greatly. In fact I find your assistance most comforting when dealing with issues regarding the kurds. I have however restrictions levied on me by the ArbCom which makes it very easy for problematic users to get me blocked as we see on the recent WP:ANB/I issue. I didn't used to worry about the arbcom ruling since my stalkers left me alone, though it appears that wasn't really the case. You do not have such restrictions and you are free to edit (of course wikipedia policies apply). So if you like we can work much closer. If I detect a problematic behaviour, I can notify you and you can take action if its ok with you. What do you say?
 * -- Cat out 23:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I hate to break it to you, but I'm on probation as well. However, fell free to contact me whenever you want. BTW, have you seen this? ("Togrol" means "Turk" in Kurdish) &mdash; Khoikhoi 23:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be suprised if that guy cmes up with ten thousand sockpuppets. The more desperate he gets the better. I have tricks I spare for the desperate only. :)
 * Oh. Btw, I believe Togrol is also a popular name in Turkey. In Kurdish Turks are often referanced as Tirk. That is, at least in one of the dialects... I generaly see each dialect as a seperate language as they are so distant from each other.
 * In any case, what are your restrictions?
 * -- Cat out 02:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi there, buddy!
Wait a minute, I'll make further edits on Ottoman Turkish...
 * Can you please check it after I am finished? I am a bit weary and I'm afraid I have difficulty in finding right words...

Arvand Free Zone
Sorry, I am not totally familiar with Wikipedia procedures. I was trying to create a separate page for Arvand Free Zone, as discussed in the talk page of Ethnic politics of Khuzestan. I was cutting content to paste. Your suggestions would be welcome.--88.111.63.92 00:06, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

POV issues with Sumgait article?
Hey, I added a great deal of information on the Sumgait Massacre article and I need your help to combat any POV issues I inadverently entered. This information will obviously enrage some people, but I'd like your help and personal opinion. Thank you. --MarshallBagramyan 04:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for drawing my attention to those unpleasant postings. Someone pretended to be me and gave personal information about me. Once again thanks, and please let me know if you happen to come across anything similar in the future. Bertilvidet 08:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Help
Howdy Khoi, could you please help with. I uploaded it when I was still unclear about these complicated copyright issues and mistakenly tagged it as a fair use image. However, BBC doesn’t allow its products to be used this way and I think it should be deleted. Thanks, Kober 11:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Checked out the problems you mentioned
What up dude. I believe we got a fix on the Arab Empire problem, but then got into an issue over whether Darius I's empire was bigger than Alexander's or not! I changed the wording a bit for the Turkish people so that it is understood that the Central Asians are a minority group. Hopefully that will placate the dissenters, although I'm surprised you know who hasn't weighed in. Perhaps I shouldn't tempt fate here... :) Tombseye 17:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar
I am really overwelmed by personal stuff right now, and haven't much time contributing in anything. Fad (ix)

you reverted correct edits
I do not know what your history research says but to tell you one thing. You reverted the correct changes back to the bad ones. In the encyclopedia, Pathans and Pashtuns were interchangeably used, and Pathans is redirected to Pashtuns, whereas, in truth, Pashtuns are the people who can talk Pashtu and Pathans is the major group in which there are many Pashtuns. It is not fair to call Pathans as Pashtuns. And yet, you reverted a correct entry to an old one. That is not fair, jsut because many Pashtuns want Pathans to be named as Pashtuns is not correct. Pashtuns should be redirected to Pathans. And other changes made for fair use should be accepted, we are trying to put te facts and you are reverting back? I respect your interest in fairness and I hope you will revert back since history is not made by views but it is something which is a fact which should not be changed jsut because one thinks so.

Quick Question
Sorry if I am editing your page wrong. I was fixing the link on the Mac Dre page this morning and noticed that there was quite a bit of garbage text at the top, then you fixed it? I'm new to Wikipedia and was wondering what exactly vandalism is and why does it happen? Thanks, Carlos

Piranshahr
OK This page is getting too weird for me. There are no sources but its almost a full article (more than possibly, a copyvio) with about 20 images or something which I think are all copyrighted stuff (they have a website's watermark). -- - K a s h  Talk 23:08, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Pontians
Hi Khoikhoi:). i've noticed that u have been editting greek-pontian-related articles. i guess that these articles should be 'Pontian' and not 'Pontic'. maybe the term 'pontic' gives more google hits, but it does not refer to the greek-pontians, but to everything related to the ancient word 'πόντος=pontus=sea' (including the Pontians). also, i have never seen any pontian organisation in greece and the diaspora using the word 'pontic' in its english name. i am not sure if that's the case, so i am not asking u to rename it... maybe we should check it better, or someone else could help. about the genocide, i've found a link (not reliable, i guess), but i am presenting it anyway... Regards --Hectorian 03:03, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * About the Google hits -- they were for the phrases "Pontic Greek" and "Pontian Greek", so there is no ambiguity there. Actually, my favorite name would be "Pontians" by itself; I wonder if that is clear enough as a title in an English-language encyclopedia.  Google finds exactly 1 "Pontian-American" and 1 "Pontic-American".  By the way, this discussion should really be on the Talk:Pontic Greeks page so that others can find it easily now and in the future. --Macrakis 03:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

baku87's vandalism
Sorry that it took me so long to respond, I have been busy, but now I can spend more time on wiki. Thank you for letting me know about baku87's vandalism, I will help you in anyway that I can. I suggest that if this problem with him continues, he should be reported. As you know this isn't his first time spreading his anti-Armenian POV. I know that if we work together that we can overcome this. Let's keep one another informed, thank you!--Moosh88 04:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I reverted it back, because it said the same bs that is found on the denial of Armenian Genocide article. Thanks for letting me know.--Moosh88 04:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Khoikhoi, I swear by God that I believe that the concept of Shia ritual purity (Najis) has been a cause of discrimination against religious minorities of Iran. I swear by God that I believe that Jews were persecuted in Muslim countries. But I am struggling to report all views in wikipedia. I don’t want to cover any truth.

Please have a look at

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Khaybar&diff=prev&oldid=52389428

I have a conflict with some Jewish editors there. I believe it is not the Muslim POV that Muhammad had exactly those two motivations. Writing “X is so” implies that it is so in all views. I am currently swamped and can not work on this article.

Khoikhoi, I don’t expect all other editors to agree with me, but please assure me that the impression I have got from some Jewish editors here is not true: The impression that most of Jews hate me just because I am Muslim. --Aminz 04:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide edits
Thanks for the heads up, I am reverting and moving it to the talk page for discussion, since it indeed is no good as is. --RaffiKojian 04:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)