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Removing warnings
Khorshid, I'm simply pointing out policy to you to help you break in here. This isn't harassment, it's simply standard Wiki procedure. You insulted myself (by saying "this Lukas person and his comments. I am made sick" ) and Mehrdadd (by saying "his dark heart ... [he] does not deserve such a noble name" ). I'm not even demanding an apology or anything, I just want to make sure you understand why this is unacceptable on this site, so that we won't have this kind of trouble in the future. Because if you go on like this, yes, you will end up blocked. Lukas (T. 12:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it is true, both that you attacked us, and that you need to understand the policy. Give me a sign that you understand this and I won't insist on leaving the warning up here. But let me also warn you that the Three-revert rule applies also to your talk page. If you remove this again you can be blocked simply for editwarring. If you think this is harassment, feel free to report me wherever you like. Lukas (T. 12:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * as Lukas says, you are not being harassed, you are politely asked to follow Policy. If you follow policy and remain polite, and you will be fine. If you do not, you will be blocked from editing, at first for short periods, and for longer periods if you persist. These rules are for everybody. dab (&#5839;) 12:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You clearly support his harassment of me. I find this disgusting and sick. Khorshid 12:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Khoshid: I have been in your position before. It is best just to let it lie. Dbachmann is one of the longest serving members of Wikipedia and is not involved in the issues related to Iranian articles. So, please do not attack him. If you continually call people racist or any other perjorative, you will probably get blocked by an admin. Lukas is not an admin and does not have the power to do this, he is just reminding you of policy. If he wanted you blocked, he could have lodged a complaint by now, so don't take it too hard. If you want this warning off your talk page, you can always archive it later say under an archive for the month of May, which finishes tomorrow.--الأهواز 12:39, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

This is also not going to encourage a sympathetic response and if you were not a new user, you would probably be blocked by now. No-one is threatening you and neither Lukas nor I have the power to block you from editing, but you should be reminded of policy.--الأهواز 12:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Korshid, I think you should take the advice given to you by several other editors to your heart. Be polite, and don't go around calling other people names or accusing them of "racism". If you have reasons to complain, back up your claims with precise diffs. (You said you were an experienced editor, so I assume you know what a diff is.) Do not engage in personal attacks; it's not tolerated here as per our policy against personal attacks. All the best, Lupo 15:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I want to bring something to your Attention
This was written and this was the response.

''Here is the translation: How are you. To soon to give a complicated comment. These protests have been forming a long time coming and they are ripening, this wan not and necessary the only occasion, so that it would splash out to the streets. The basic problem is the fact that they [Iran?/Persians? I don't know who, but he says they] reject tp the Azaris the right to thei national identity, the right to the development of their own language and distinct culture. You can see even here, in the consideration of articles, Iranian Azarbaijan and Azarbaijanians. Some Iranian participants insist on saying Azaris are an Iranian ethnicity, although it is widely-known that Azaris are Turkic. This is what is being represented or occuring in Iran itself. Conflict apparently on this basis, people [Azaris] require the protection of their cultural rights.''

These is only the tip of the ice berg.

Look at the Azari related pages and keep an eye on them please. 72.57.230.179

When are we Going to See Proof that Azaris are Genetically Turkic
Please keep an eye on Azari and the talk:Azari. I have started the following in the discussion.

It has been ages since these citations have not been verified. Verification is needed. If not delete the material. the amount of time granted has been generious. The Azaris Iranian background has been verified through various scientific and academic sources, but the Turkic claim has not. The only think that has been verified is the Turkic langauge. 72.57.230.179

Edit-warring
Please do not edit war on Wikipedia. If you have problems regarding articles, then you are welcome to discuss them on the talk pages. In the meanwhile, keep in mind the 3RR policy on Wikipedia. Regards, --Nearly Headless Nick 10:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

salam. khoobi? Agha emailet chiyeh? mer30.--Zereshk 03:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Watch the Azari page, please. Azari; get involved with the discussion and article. Read the history or related links and you will see the covert actions to deny Azaris, like myself, of our Iranian heritage by a small but vocal and militant minority with anti-Iranian attitudes, mostly from Turkey who pretend to talk for Azaris as Azaris. 72.57.230.179

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi
I explicity asked to discuss before editing the Mohammad Reza Pahlavi page, especially the whole opening paragraph. If you have a problem, please TALK about it first, so that we may understand why you want to revert the changes, and that way we can find a common ground, rather than having an edit war. ♠ SG →Talk 20:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I have responded to you on the Mohammad Reza Pahlavi talk page. Please take the time to answer me; I will not revert your changes yet, because I want to avoid an edit war. ♠ SG →Talk 15:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey can you have a look at the talk page for this article, SG claims that you two have "voted" against including the meaning of his styles. Ba sepaas --K a s h Talk 08:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Islamic Conquest of Iran
Much of the Islamic Conquest, perhaps almost all of it, was written by Zora. She is the one that put that statement in. man zooram behesh nareseed.--Zereshk 15:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Reminder
Salam Khorshid, I saw some of your comments at Talk:Iranian languages&mdash;just remember to keep cool, and remain civil. Thanks. &mdash; Khoikhoi  22:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, can you explain to me briefly what the main problems with the map are? ممنون. &mdash; Khoikhoi  23:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I believe the man is a linguist so we should probably trust him more. However, have you seen this map? Perhaps you could ask him to base it more off of that. BTW, "academic" is not a good description for the CIA World Factbook. Academic is, for example, a published book by a professor. Anyways, are there any more disputes about the map besides Khuzestan? &mdash; Khoikhoi  18:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Khorshid, look at his work on the Balochi language article&mdash;does that look like the job of an amateur to you? I understand your point, but do you have any other sources besides government ones? How about this map? It's dated 2004. In the case of WP:V, I think academic sources would be better than sources like the CIA World Factbook. Just a word of advice. &mdash; Khoikhoi  00:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

zelzeleh
I'd say you can include such material on articles that make erroneous claims about Persians being rich and high and mighty and safe and wealthy (supposedly), while the minorities (supposedly) "suffer" from "Persian oppression". Especially if it is sourced. An example of such an article (which I have cleaned up twice) is Anti-Arabism. One example I kept using was that in fact the majority of people in Evin Prison are Persians (Akbar Ganji (who was just released), Hashem Aghajari, etc).--Zereshk 23:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

MEK edit
Please could you supply a reference for your assertion about ethnic minorities and MEK and refer to WP:V AndrewRT 01:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks AndrewRT 01:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

PJAK
هی ! رفیق

Just because he added the tags doesn't mean it's going to happen. It's just a proposal. Anyways, I will help, what exactly do you what me to say? I guess what you should do is show references or sources that say that the PJAK is not a political wing of the PKK. BTW, please don't call people "anti-Kurds" - "comment on content, not the contributor". Remember to assume good faith. I'll leave a message at Talk:PJAK. &mdash; Khoikhoi  02:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * That's really good information! You should say that at Talk:PJAK as well. Simply outline your points and explain why you don't think the articles should be merged. I did find some sources on the internet that said "PJAK is an Iranian wing of the PKK", however. Anyways, I need to go now. Ciao. &mdash; Khoikhoi  05:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Heh, I see what you're saying. :p There's also a discussion at the bottom of Talk:PKK. &mdash; Khoikhoi  20:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Khorshid. Behemoth is actually my friend. He's saying that your source says that the PKK is a Maoist organization, not the PJAK. Anyways, I know I may sound like a broken record for when I was talking to you about Imperial, but Behemoth is a very knowledgeable (and interesting!) man. If you ask him for sources I'm sure he'd be able to show you. Just remember to keep a cool head. &mdash; Khoikhoi  20:23, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

thanks
thanks for the comments. payandeh baashid.

Jews of Iran
I wholeheartedly agree. Pecher is using that article as a political platform. Something needs to be done. For now, I'm swamped with duties at my full time job. But I do respond to confrontations if I have to.--Zereshk 23:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Keep up the good work...
Salam, everywhere i go to make an edit or read an article about Iran I always see your name there. And all of your works are top notch. So keep up the good work khorshid! --( Aytakin ) | Talk 00:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Why pushing POV? Mossadegh received a very mild sentence....
As i phrased it, it applies very well, I'd presume! The sentence of merely 3 years incarceration was very mild compared to the MANDATORY DEATH SENTENCE BY LAW of the day for treason! As it does not really matter to me though, i shall leave your (clearly POV pushing) "edit" unaltered, however. --Pantherarosa 23:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, I removed the tag because, the article is very well sourced and Please let's don't turn the article into personal war between ourselves and don't add unreasonable tags, also see talk of Kurdish people, and see here, http://ancientneareast.tripod.com/Kurdistan.html# and read the source about genetics totally it discuss the origin of the Kurdfs in details. Many people wish the Kurdish people article be totally deleted, and they welcome any edit war. let's not allow them by small debates. Thanks.

Misconceptions about Iran
Hi!

If you want to save this article, you should improved it. It's clear that it's not a good article and if I had enough time I whould do it myself.But as I told Zereshk before it should improved. This is my opinion: and

Good buy. --Sa.vakilian 11:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Khorshid, I can see that the article is already deleted! Some people seem to be in such a rush! By the way, with your permission I added the article to my user page and am going to put it on my website if you don’t mind, is that ok? I am going to put other good articles that have been deleted from Wiki on my website and make them available to people by mentioning the source and why there were deleted and let people decide themselves (I don’t think Wiki can claim ownership of the articles that have been deleted!), do you know of other good articles that have been deleted? Have you taken a copy on your hard-disk? Kiumars 12:53, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Very cool page. Even if it's not a Wikipedia page yet, it was definitely worth telling people about it. Hooman 17:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Can you send me an email alidoostzadeh@yahoo.com, I had a question on some articles. --alidoostzadeh 11:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish people
Hey...how have you been? Have you explained what your issues are with the article on the talk page? Perhaps you could try contacting Hêja directly, as he/she wrote a great deal of it. Wirya doesn't appear to be active anymore. Remember to state your specifc problems, and hopefully they can be addressed. Ciao. &mdash; Khoikhoi  02:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm, interesting. One place you could go is requests for mediation. That's where many people go to resolve disputes. As for Tombseye, I have no idea. I guess I should email him, but he's probably busy in real life.


 * No, I'm not an admin. :) About what you said, we actually do have a similar policy, it's called, "Wikipedia is not a soapbox":


 * Propaganda or advocacy of any kind. Of course, an article can report objectively about such things, as long as an attempt is made to approach a neutral point of view. You might wish to go to Usenet or start a blog if you want to convince people of the merits of your favorite views. You can also use Wikinfo which promotes a "sympathetic point of view" for every article. Wikipedia was not made for opinion, it was made for fact.


 * I like think the "...or go to hell" part should be added-on, of course. :) &mdash; Khoikhoi  05:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Hello. Tell me about the Kurds' status in Iran. I'm interested. Are you Shiite? Jaber90 23:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Chobanids
I noticed that you moved the Chobanids page to Chupanids, but the Chupanids page doesn't exist. Is there any way that you can fix this?

Ro4444 09:28, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, cool, it's all better now. Thanks for the getting that fixed and for the timely response!

Ro4444 09:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Reconciliation
Hi, I'd just like to ask you a friendly question. This is no longer about the article, this is more open-ended. You have stated that Oberg writing about Ramadan and how it is calculated astronomically is, in your words, treating Muslims as all the same. I would like to know, really, what ideas that you have for Westerners to increase their knowledge and understanding of Islam. For me personally, I am sure that I know more about Islam and have met more Muslims than 9 out of 10 Americans. (I have had Muslim co-workers and co-volunteers, and I have even participated in non-denominational prayer with Muslims. I have discussed the role of Isa/Jesus in Islam.) At the same time I know that I barely know 1% of what Islam is all about. So, because I certainly don't enjoy getting someone's hackles up over a minor issue because of a perceived lack of understanding, what are your suggestions of what I can do personally to learn more? What are your suggestions of what empathetic Americans can do to expand understanding of Islam? More to the point, how can empathetic Wikipedians work toward greater mutual understanding? The current situation, I'm sure you will agree, is not good. --Dhartung | Talk 08:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Persian Jews
Salam.

I saw your name in Talk:Persian Jews. I think you'd like make that article more NPOV. So you can use this article Iran's proud but discreet Jews.--Sa.vakilian 13:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

MfD Result
Hi,

The MfD on your "Misconceptions" userpage has closed as keep. Best wishes, Xoloz 16:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Proove
You wrongly accuse me of sockpuppetry. Instead of making these assumptions of bad faith, you should have requested an IP check.--88.110.190.21 18:04, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Ahwaz! Khorshid 18:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Late reply
Hey Khorshid, do you want me to protect these pages? As for the anon, it doesn't matter if he's Ahwaz or not, because Ahwaz is not banned. Regards, Khoikhoi 18:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

هشدار درباره کاربر خُی
دراین باره باید گفت یکی از فعالان ضد ایران و ایرانی گری است که پیشینه او در مورد های زیر گواه موضوع است. او یکی از افراط گرایان ناسیونالیسم گرجی است که پس از شکل گیری ویکی پروژه استیایی به خیال خود با تحریک پان عربیسم و پان ترکیسم قصد تجزیه ایران را دارد:

User:Khoikhoi به تاریخچه فعالیت های کاربر بالا در این صفحات دقت کنید↓

 

اعتراف کاربر بالا به چونین سوئ نیتی↓



راه چاره مقابله به مثل با عضویت در ویکی پروژه استیایی است.

استیاییان مردمانی ایرانی تبارند که امروزه منطقه سکونتشان در قفقاز میان روسیه و گرجستان تقسیم شده است و در روسیه خودمختار ولی در گرجستان در تلاش برای خودمختاری اند که از جانب روسیه پشتیبانی می شوند.

zandweb 15:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Please see uncyclopedia and its articles on Iran and Iranians. Full of insults instead of humors! Fooladin 21:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

LGBT rights in Iran
Hi, I've left a comment on the talk page. Cheers, Khoikhoi 03:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from editing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Leave me alone User:LukasPietsch and stop wikistalking me. I know the WP rules. *sigh* Khorshid 07:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Sock notes
Howdy! You appear to be creating sock puppet articles that are missing the User: prefix. They do no, of course, belong in main space. Just a friendly heads up. Regards, C HAIRBOY (☎) 04:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, thank you very much. I can't believe I missed that part. Khorshid 04:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries, thanks! - C HAIRBOY (☎) 04:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Khorshid, why don't you try WP:RFCU? Khoikhoi 05:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

thanks for your comment
Dorud bar shoma Thanks for telling me about the problem of my sing. I fixed it. Khoda negahdar. -- Soroush ☺talk 17:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

E104421' edits
It looks like E104421's edits you indicated are good faith referenced edits. Please avoid labeling good faith edits you disagree with as vandalism. It is a personal attack. If you want, I can protect the articles so you could discuss the edits on the talk page rather than edit war.

I have unprotected the template you requested. Alex Bakharev 23:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Turkish History Brief
Template:Turkish History Brief has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Khosrow II 23:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Kurds
I'm not sure...why don't you add a POV tag to it? Khoikhoi 23:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I don't know the answer to that either. Why don't you try asking at the village pump? Khoikhoi 10:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Olive branch
Khorshid: I just want to make myself clear to you. I am quite happy to work constructively with you on articles. Conflicts occur when people unilaterally suppress others' edits, stack up 3RRs with other editors, dismiss their opponents as racist and manipulate admins. This is what infuriates me and why I can be defiant. If we can agree to work civilly and criticise each other on content, then I think we can go a long way to resolving the issues relating to Khuzestan-related articles. If this is going to be another Arab-v-Persian-v-Arab edit war, then really there is no hope and we will all waste each others' time. There is an offer to mediate here which I think we should take advantage of. Perhaps this editor can mediate over all Khuzestan-related articles so we can get this sorted out once and for all.

May I also add that I did lobby on your behalf early on when you first joined, which stopped you from being blocked. I sensed that you and I have the same temperament :o)

I am fair to those who disagree with me, so long as they play by the rules. As soon as the rules are not observed, I see no need to abide by them. That is the principle I stand by and why I get into trouble so often!--الأهواز &#124; Hamid &#124; Ahwaz 01:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Reply
I will tell Baristarim to stop following you around, as long as you stop nominating all of Hêja's articles for deletion - it's starting to become disruptive. Khoikhoi 03:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Calm down baba, I was just saying that you're nominating too many. I will ask them to stop now. Khoikhoi 03:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Eveyone has his or her own bias, it was a figure of speech. I alerady warned Baristarim about following you around, he won't do it again. Khoikhoi 04:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * wrong, he kept doing it even after you warned him. look at his contribs and the times. Khorshid 01:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? He seems to have stopped after his comment to Khosrow on the ArbCom page... Khoikhoi 05:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment
I am not trying to make you uncomfortable, but I wasn't able to understand why you nominated so many pages one after another. In any case, I regularly look at AfDs, so there was a good chance that I would have run into it one way or the other. cheers! Baristarim 03:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No, not at all, I have been checking into E104421's case since much before you joined into the debate there, if you look into that section, you will see that my comments there date back before your involvement. I just checked it again to see if there was something new about him. Believe me, there is no conspiracy theory here, I was not stalking u into an incident that was reported to admin noticeboard. :))) But I am also taking a chill pill, so don't worry.. Cheers! Baristarim 04:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Wrong, you made accusations and you continued attacking me. I see that khoikhoi did nothing about it. so everyone here on wp is okay with you attacking me. go ahead and keep attacking me until you get tired of it and we see if it makes you feel better about yourself being a bully ganging up on me with your friends. the evidence is in your contribs so you cant hide it. anyone with a mind can see. Khorshid 01:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I am sorry that you feel that way.. I have been checking into E's case since the beginning, it had nothing to do with anybody else. Please have a look at my contribution log, I have nothing to hide.. This sucks because I am beginning to wonder what I can do to convince you that I have no personal neither particular issue with you.. But I also have a right to comment on content in the areas of my interest, there is not much I can do if our interests intersect sometimes :)) In any case, have a good day.. Cheers! Baristarim 07:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Politics of Khuzestan
The article Ethnic Politics of Khuzestan has now been changed to Politics of Khuzestan. I have moved some relevant content to Arabs of Khuzestan and Ahvaz Bombings (although this may need a change of name as bombings have occurred throughout Khuzestan). I have drastically cut down on some content related to human rights and introduced a sections on politicians, elections and foreign influence. There is more work to do, however. I am trying to find the detailed results of the Khuzestan Majlis elections of 2000 and 2004 and the results of the second round of the 2005 Presidential election. Do you have any idea where I can find these? My Farsi is not so great, so I'd appreciate help.--الأهواز &#124; Hamid &#124; Ahwaz 18:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I noticed that you say "the great majority of Iranian Arabs, are descendants of the Aryans or the non-semitic indigenous peoples living on the Iranian plateau before the Aryans arrived" on User:Khorshid/Misconceptions. I would be interested to know if you have any sources to support this, as it is an issue that has generated considerable heated debate on the Arabs of Khuzestan article.--الأهواز &#124; Hamid &#124; Ahwaz 00:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello
I'd like to offer myself as a neutral party on the Arabs of Khuzestan or Politics of Khuezestan article. Ahwaz just told me his side, i'd like to hear yours as well and see if we can rectify any disputes and gain a consensus version. Yankee Rajput 01:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if I opened up old wounds, that wasn't my intention. If anything, it's the opposite. I'll take a look at the links, thank you for talking to me. Yankee Rajput 15:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

your message in my talk page
What??Do you know what you are talking about? I dont send you any threating mails...You are a big liar, you insert "Zaparojdik's IP" to every suckpuppet users but you fails. STOP LIENG TO ME!! Zaparojdik 10:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This is called as Schizophrenia that your psychological problem in medicine, I hope you will be fine soon :) 14:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Two Articles in need of your attention
There are two entries at Wikipedia, which have falsely created -- they are Turco-Persian and Turko-Persian Tradition. Both entries are factitious. I have requested the entries to be deleted. My reasons are:
 * The term Turko-Persian Tradition (or Turco-Persian) does not exists academically and it is a factitious entry! Check the Encyclopaedia Iranica to confirm -- The correct name for that culture is the Persianate culture not the "Turko-Persian". Turkophones (mostly of mixed race and Persianized in culture) only spoke in Turkic dialects and were in the military. That is not enough participation in creating and forming the culture to deserve the name "Turko-Persian Tradition" – This is misinformation. All the elements in that area, which have to do with tradition and culture, were drawn from the Iranian culture and the Islamic faith, not much Turkic elements (like shamanism, yurts etc.) were incorporated in. That is what makes the name "Turko-Persian" an imaginary one and therefore the entry should be deleted.

Any contributions would greatly appreciated. Bā Sepās Surena 02:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Politics of Khuzestan
Please calm down. I am somewhat involved in this dispute, so I can't act as an admin in this case. Neither protecting nor unprotecting. Sorry. Khoikhoi 06:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Iranianism
In response to your reversion of my edit to Anti-Iranianism. You said that "there is no agreements on removing huge amounts of text from this article". This is only somewhat true--there is agreement between a number of users (both "delete" and "keep" voters) that this content should be removed. You are, of course, free to revert it, but I believe that the article will be deleted unless the content is removed and an effort to improve the article (by deleting possibly POV and OR sections) is made. In the AfD, I have noted that I favor keeping the article, renaming it to "Anti-Iranian sentiments", and cleaning it up so that it refers only to hostility against the Iranian and/or Persian peoples and not the Iranian and Persian states. I hope this clarifies my reason for removing the content (which, by the way, is still preserved here), even if you still disagree. Cheers, Black Falcon 05:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the message. I think the material should be kept one way or another, if not in that article then in another. There is clearly a movement to restrain Iran's development, so the information is notable. Some users don't like this information because of political reasons, but WP is supposed to be cool and neutral. Anyway, another of my concern is that the article not just be about anti-Persianism, but take into account anti-Iranianism as a whole, because Persians are only one out of dozens of ethnic groups in the country, and all Iranians identify as "Iranians". Its like the United States, except we are not a modern civilisation and most groups are ethnically and historically related. No one would deny anti-Israel sentiments (against the state and its citizens) or anti-American sentiments (against the state and its citizens) or anti-France sentiments (against the state and its citizens) to cite three well known examples of anti-national sentiments, which are not just attacks against governments, but also the peoples of those lands. I am half-Kurd, and half-Arab for example, but when I have been attacked, they have attacked me as an Iranian, not because I am half-Kurdish or half-Arab. Those who have attacked me never even knew my ethnic background, they only knew about the Iranian part. Same is true of most countries like even France, which has many ethnic groups. But when a French citizen travels to United States, for example, and if he or she is ridiculed or taunted for being French (this has happened, of course), they are not being targeted because of their ethnicity necessarily, but because they are French nationality. Of course people are ignorant and assume all French are the same so they think they are also attacking the ethnicity. Just as with attacks against Iranians, they see us as all the same (typical Eurocentric, Orientalist view), so they attack us as one ethnic group. Just like when people attack "Middle Easterners" as "ragheads" and "camel jockeys" etc. (even including Greeks and Armenians and Indians and Pakistanis in this label!) they are assuming Arabs, Iranians, Turks, Armenians, Indians etc etc are all exactly the same. Khorshid 05:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I do agree that there is (in my opinion, somewhat recent: 1900s at the earliest, 1980s at the latest) a "movement to restrain Iran's development", but the problem with the Anti-Iranianism article was that it made no distinction between this movement and anti-Persian or anti-Iranian sentiments. As regards your other point, I most certainly do think that both anti-Persian and anti-Iranian sentiments should be included in WP (ideally in separate articles, but if that is not feasible, then in one article for now). In the AfD I noted two instances of peaked anti-Iranian sentiment in the US: after the Islamic Revolution and during the second half of the Bush administration. However, Iranians were also targeted/discriminated against after 11 September 2001, despite the fact of their noninvolvement AND despite the fact that most Iranian nationals are not ethnic Arabs (then again, what can you expect when Bush himself once classified Pakistan as part of the Arab world). I think the new article should reflect this. If the AfD result is keep or if the nomination is withdrawn, I will propose an improvement effort (hopefully with the help of members of WikiProject:Iran as my knowledge beyond the modern era is very limited) and will myself try to find reliable sources on anti-Iranian sentiment in the United States in modern times (the sentiments exist, it's only a matter of finding appropriate sources). Black Falcon 06:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Consensus
Hi,

Your input on Iran article's consensus will be appreciated: - Marmoulak 03:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Salam
Please see Jalil Mohammad Gholizadeh and its talkpage when you have time. Thanks. Sangak Talk 11:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Salam
Please take a look at History of fundamentalist Islam in Iran. I am happy that the article attracted a few critical editors. The more people take part the less chance will be for POV. I hope people with different background edit this article. Thanks and take care.Sina Kardar 14:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Noruz mobarak
Salam. Noruz bar shoma mobarak bad. Are you there? I have some questions.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 11:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Fekr konam shoma man ra az wiki farsi mishnasi, Man az July tu wiki englisi budam va alan daram bishtar ruye safahate poshti mesl wikiproject, backlog, AfD va qeyre kar mikonam. Ta hala ham chand kar mesl WikiProject Iran, WikiProject Iran va WikiProject Iran anjam dadam. Chetor mitunam be Wiproject Iran bishtar komak konam.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 12:05, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Salam. This is one of the 100 articles which I'd like to work on it therefor I'll live it for another wikipedians. God bless you.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 09:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Please AFD Islam and alcohol as well
I created the Pork article because there was an alcohol article as well. Please be fair and nominate this as well. Also: Islam and vegetarianism--Matt57 01:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Arvandrud/Shatt al-Arab
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Greater Iran
Well can you at least standardize the section to say "Iran" on all occasions? It could confuse someone, saying "Persia" sometimes and "Iran" other times. Anyway, the English name for those empires is Persian empire, not "Iran" or even "Iranian" empire, and not restricted to only the Achaemenid. They generally add a parenthetical mention (now Iran) to inform readers that the name was changed. I am really seeing a lot of non-English preference-enforcing going on here, and considering the overall triviality of the matter I don't understand why going with English is such a problem. Anyway, thanks. The Behnam 07:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll grab the specific references that call it Persian Empire later. You may be right in calling it a non-issue.  Also, if you think there is some racist editing going on, please notify me as I am interested in quelling such things.  Anyway, please do standardize that section by changing the references to "Persia" to "Iran."  Do you understand my meaning?  The Behnam 08:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well it seems a distortion to call the empires "Iran" when their English name is "Persian Empire", but anyway at least standardize the section to say "Iran" instead of Persia for all situations to prevent confusion of the reader. The Behnam 08:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No I'm not talking about that template, I mean just that section needs to use one or the other throughout the list of land losses. The Behnam 08:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I see you are making the changes, but do be aware that I will probably make my case for, um, accuracy with regards to the names of those empires in English sometime soon. Anyway, thanks for standardizing.  The Behnam 08:32, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'll make it in a bit, and I don't mind keeping your wording until then. I just don't feel like doing the digging for cites right now, as I am too tired for that right now.  But I definitely will make the case, as the universal Iran-wording does indeed sound odd and anachronistic (if I use that correctly).  The Behnam 08:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Iranian revolution
Salam. My dear friend I saw you wrote "my god, 104k! what is this??? this article is an unreadable mess". I proposed this strategy as we used in Hezbollah. In that article we had gathered information until it reached 177kb. Then we made numerous sub-articles and moved unnecessary information to them. I insist on this strategy because my experience show that wikipedians rarely work on sub-articles.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 03:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Purpirar dar Iran manba movassaqi nist, chon zirabe tamame tarikhe Iran ra zade. Asatid tarikh kollan bahash kard va panirand. Be har hal mishe goft purpirar chinin mige. Gozashte az purpirar dar khosus shariati man kamelan ba shoma mokhalefam. Shariati jadde saf kon enelabe Islami bude masalan ketab "Ommat va Emamat" azash joz "Imam khomeini" dar nemiam. Tu in zamine mitunid be naqdhaye akbar ganji mige morajee konid. Albatte baz ham dar mored vosuq akbar ganji mesl purpirar moshkel vojud dare. Sayere manabe Irani mesl Debashi va Amuzgar ham qael be esalate enqelabe eslami hastand. Masaln Amuzgar takid dare ke gruh haye dige faqede rahbari budand. In yani agar khomeini nabud aslan enqelab nemishod. Be har hal shome mitavanid har manbaee ra motabar midanid be onvan reference biavarid. Amma man bar khalafe shoma manabee qarbi ra be manabe Irani tarjih midaham chon iraniha zinaf hastand. Albatte in be in mana nist ke manabe irani ra be onvane refernce napaziram.


 * Dar khosuse mahbubiate communistha va nationalist ha bayad begam man mokhalefe nazare shoma hastam va ba estenad be manabe mitunam neshun bedaham hich kodum az in goruh ha na tavanayee va na strategy "mass demonstration" ra nadashtand. Nationalistha mikhastand mobareze entekhabati dar charchub qanun asasi bokonand vali hamun tor ke bazargan dar dadgahesh pishbini mikone baad az un be ellate ensedade siasi mobareze dar charchube qanun asasi mashrute kamelan tatil mishe. communist ha ham mikhastand mobareze mosallahane bokanand va savak be rahati sarkubeshun mikard.
 * JAmbandi: Shoma har manbai ra ke biavarid(qeyr az siteha va manbe jurnalisti) man mipaziram shoma ham motaqabelan qarbiha ra nemitavanid zire soal bebarid. -- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 07:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Request
Arcayne modified your edit because of the unnecessary bolding and yelling. Yelling-type posts detract from the civility of a discussion. I think it would be good-spirited of you to undo the bolding and the CAPS on your own as a display of good faith. Cheers. The Behnam 04:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * True, I bold also during important parts. You should get rid of the CAPS, however, because they are the equivalent of 'yelling' in online discussions.  I think it would help out the tense situation at the page if you did that.  Thank you.  The Behnam 04:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot man. The Behnam 04:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

300 lead
Hello, in the past you've expressed strong opinions about the wording of the lead to 300 (film). At present we've collectedsix options from the previous discussion, in an attempt to build consensus around a new version. Would you mind having look and weighing in as to which are acceptable, and which you'ld prefer? Thanks, --Javits2000 12:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Historical fiction
I fail to see why you are continuously arguing that the film is, in fact, 100% fiction. The Battle took place, did it not? Some of the events in the film did occur in antiquity (300 men blocking holding back the Persian army, the goat path betrayal, even some of the dialogue, as written by Herodotus), yes? Therefore it is fictional, but that fiction is based on history. The name for this genre is historical fiction, which is why I agree with changing the lead. Why are you so against it? If you explained it to me, perhaps I would understand. María: ( habla con migo ) 12:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I would more readily accept the word of the director than I would the studio, since the director is the one who actually was responsible for the entire creative process. Snyder has stated that there is historic truth to the movie, and he would be correct.  By arguing that the entire film is completely fiction, you are negating common sense.  Just because characters appeared different in the film does not mean it is entirely fiction.  What is "basic" is that the battle happened, some of it just the way the movie portrayed.  I do not wish to debate prejudicial motives, because that has nothing to do with my stance: there is some truth, and just because Warner Brothers made a statement to protect their collective rear-ends does not go against the fact that this is a film that is historical fiction.  I'm sorry, but we're going to have to agree to disagree.  María ( habla  con migo ) 17:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * There is no need to become short with me, thank you. As I said, agree to disagree.  One thing, though: do the WB folks have degrees in Classical History?  Your argumental tactics need work in case it does indeed go to ArbCom or RFC. ;)  María ( habla  con migo ) 18:07, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Answer:Criticism of Islam
Salam. Thanks for your notice. Aminz is active in this case. He can help you with it. He would say me if he needed any help but I think he can manage the issue well. -- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 18:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Criticism of Islam
Hi Khorshid,

Please khonsard bash. User:Merzbow is not the kind of editor you think. We can include criticism of Bat Ye'or and others in the article of course. Let's discuss this on the talk page of criticism of Islam. --Aminz 05:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you please show me diffs of Merzbow's edits. Thanks --Aminz 05:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Regarding this diff: ; I guess there is a problem with wikipedia website . The phrase "The guy up there, a Christian, tells me" doesn't appear in the real text; it is not there. I am confused. --Aminz 06:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Please search for the phrase here (the text of the next diff) --Aminz 06:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Khorshid. It looks like your second link was not made by Merzbow but is a result of some glitch in the wikimedia software. See User_talk:Merzbow It appear to be just a misunderstanding Alex Bakharev 06:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Your points
Khorshid, I suggest you take a look at for a context to the view of Pat Robertson. I wrote that section. That's basically all we can do on English Wikipedia. --Aminz 06:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

The case for Bat Ye'or is different. She is a myth writer(Bernard Lewis says). The story is that Jews were treated much better under the Muslim rule than Christian rule. But this contrast was indulged by Jewish historians at the beginning of this century. That is what Lewis calls: "the story of a golden age of equality, of mutual respect and cooperation, especially but not exclusively in Moorish Spain"

Then we have the Jewish-Muslim conflict in Palestine. Muslims argued that why we should pay the cost and that we were good with Jews. Europe has to pay the cost. Then people like Bat Ye'or appear who start the myth of Dhimmitude: "the story of subservience and persecution and ill treatment." This was motivated by propaganda. The_neo-lachrymose_conception_of_Jewish-Arab_history was made up:

As you can see, Bat Ye'or is motivated by politics. --Aminz 06:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Tats
Please comment here. Parishan 07:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Merzbow
There are already a bunch of comments on his talk page about the second remark. Do you still want me to talk to him about the first one? Khoikhoi 05:34, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Islam
Hi Khorshid,

While it is true that many critics come from Islam-hating background, but that's a reality we can do nothing about. In wikipedia we can report the view of those critics and try to effectively refute them rather than remove the criticisms. The summary Merzbow prepared for the criticism of islam section sounds general I believe; it doesn't mention specific criticisms but rather the areas of criticism. I hope you don't mind if I revert you :) Cheers, --Aminz 19:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that we should not "name" modern critics and apologetics because it is giving undue weight to very modern ones. --Aminz 22:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: Your remarks
Regarding this post on User:Agha Nader's talk page, I am giving you this opportunity to explain why you have chosen to characterize me as possessed of either "prejudice" or "racism" toward Iranians...or to follow the rest of your remarks, against Muslims in general. Specifically, I invite you to cite specific examples. I think one week should be enough time for your explanation. Thanks for your time, Tom e rtalk 03:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * For ease of reference, I have redone your remarks on my talkpage, replacing your bullets ("*") with poundsigns ("#"), so that I can address them as numbered points rather than permitting any confusion to creep in to what I'm addressing.
 * My response to Agha's inquiry was an issue of the overriding importance of WP:NPOV. It did not refer to Iranian editors, to pro-Iranian editors, nor to anti-Iranian editors, it referred to POV-pushers.  I stand by my statement, and regard it as not even remotely related to any supposèd prejudice or bias on my part, other than against POV-pushing, anywhere, by anyone of any persuasion, pro- or anti- anything.
 * I don't regard my remarks as having been in bad faith at all. I do, however, regard Agha's wasting time on WP:AN/I to have been Disruption, especially in light of the fact that FOUR TIMES the editors fighting on 300 (film) have been told that, if they can't resolve their differences on the article talk page, that they should take it to WP:DR...something that has yet to be done.  Agha Nader supported my view by making this remark.  Clearly, the query was neither legitimate nor was my response in bad faith.  Still, nothing I said can possibly be construed as me harboring bias or prejudice.
 * I maintain that Iranians are not a "race", and that, as a consequence thereof, prejudice against Iranians cannot be legitimately categorized as "racism"&mdash;nothing either you or Agha have said is remotely close to persuading me of the existence of an Iranian race, and so, yes, I deny the existence of "racism" against Iranians. As for denying "prejudice" against Iranians, I see absolutely nothing in my remarks that can possibly be construed as supporting the assertion that I have said prejudice against Iranians doesn't exist.  That said, I don't jump to the conclusion that Miskin is prejudiced against Iranians simply because he has stated that he is prejudiced against Iranian editors of the 300 (film) article.  The two are clearly easily distinguishible concepts to anyone who's not in a position where they can't see the forest for the trees.
 * So, I am still not seeing any evidence of any bias on my part, neither against Iranians nor against Muslims.
 * As for User:TShilo12/RFC/Khorshid, like it says there, "I'm just keeping an eye out" for now. Believe me, your responses will play a crucial rôle in whether I do decide to open an RFC.  Declaring that my keeping an eye on you is somehow evidence of "bias" is somewhat disingenuous in light of this and this.  How it can possibly be construed as an attack page is beyond me, although you're clearly free to enlighten me.  On the other hand, your comments to Khoikhoi regarding me repeat your personal attacks against me.
 * Tom e rtalk 04:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This and this quite definitively demonstrate that your accusation that I'm somehow "stalking" you is laughable...especially since I've made no secret that I'm keeping an eye on your activities. Unless you're saying that it's OK for you to watch at my contributions, but not ok for me to watch yours...or are you trying to imply that there's only something wrong with it if you openly admit it?  Hello pot, meet kettle.  Tom e rtalk  05:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * In an effort to reduce friction, I will delete the page, but all protests about your having been editing the David Irving article aside, this pretty clearly indicates that you were, in fact, looking at my contributions: there is, in fact, no other way you could have found the page. In any case, I still find your allegations that I am prejudiced or "racist" against Iranians or Muslims to be highly offensive, and thus far, completely without substantiation.  Tom e rtalk  05:15, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Splendid. Cheers, Tom e rtalk  05:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Warner Bros statement
I believe it was previously moved to the end of that section, as it is natural for the 'response' to follow the 'allegations'. I think you should put it back, but if you still disagree please discuss. Thanks. The Behnam 02:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Anahita Temple
I've taken a look at the source and it appears that Fullstop's 'archaeological complex' description is more correct than calling that image the Anahita Temple. Go to the Parthian Style article and discuss it further if you can. Thanks. The Behnam 07:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Its no longer valid to call the ruins at Kangavar "Anahita Temple", since that once-prevailing opinion has since been revised. One could however prefix the term with a "so-called", but even so, only in the appropriate context, i.e., in an article on Kangavar for instance. It is however not legitimate to associate the ruins with the Anahita article.
 * The Kangavar ruins also do not date from the 2nd century BCE (as was previously thought), but to the late Sassanid era. The edifice is also Hellenistic architecture, not Parthian architecture. Yes, the Parthians were hellenistic, but the technical term "Parthian architecture" refers to Iranian architecture of the Parthian epoch, and not to the 'architecture of the Parthians'. -- Fullstop 09:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Contemporary history of Iran
Salam. Do you agree on making a wikiproject or at least a task force (like this)about Contemporary history of Iran which includes issues science 1900. Please write your idea in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Iran-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 06:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Request For Mediation
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please check e-mail
Hi Can you please check e-mail? --alidoostzadeh 23:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)