User talk:Khutuck/Archive

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Kullanıcıların niteliğini hangi projede yer aldığı değil, ne yaptığı belirler~(user contribution'lara bakın). Sizinde WPKU, WPArmenia da yer almanızda yarar var.Selam.Kolay gelsin. Must . T  C 20:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Re:
Hi there, the problem I found with your is that it's a non-sequiter, a logical fallacy you see. Despite the fact twenty countries recognize the genocide does not mean that 172 countries discount it as a fabrication. Asides from the Republic of Turkey and the Republic of Azerbaijan, no other country takes such an overt stance that the genocide did not occur. What would it matter to say, the people of the Republic of Palau, the issue of the Armenian Genocide? I doubt the Republic of Palau's foreign policy stretches that far much less even concerns itself with the country of Armenia or Armenians. You see the difference? Even in the United States, 40 out of the 50 states recognize the genocide while there is no federal recognition. Furthermore, your edit constitutes a misleading illogical argument: just because some countries do not recognize the genocide, doesn't mean they don't recognize de facto what had actually occurred as genocide for fear of political and economical retaliation by Turkey.

If I didn't revert you, someone else would have and they would be repeating the same things. Hope this clarifies things. Try to use the talk page next time when you want to add something so controversial or take it to the higher ups.--Marshal Bagramyan 02:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Selam
Mehraba ben Aniosgel. Takabeg ve kürt fa$ist arkada$lari yüzünden adminler oturumumu kapattilar. Katkilarimda hiç bir zaman Türk milliyetçligi öne sürmemi$imdir. Ancak Türkçe Wiki'de Takabeg, Hedda Gebler vs.. gibi insanlarin yüzünden wiki tr'ye gerçekten katki yapan insalar di$laniyo. Bunun ba$ka bir örnegi, sizin herhalde yakin arkada$iniz Maderibeyza'da bu kullanicilardan nasibini almi$. Lûtfen tanidiginiz adminlere laf atarsaniz iyi olur. Saygilar --81.64.4.97 (talk) 18:09, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

19 Mayıs
Selam. Nasıl gidiyor ? Yavuz'da dikta varmış :) Sen daha önce Atatürk'ün doğum tarihiyle ilgileniyordun ya. Ben şimdi Commemoration of Atatürk, Youth and Sports Day maddesini geliştirmeye çalışıyorum. Hatı Çırpan (Satı Kadın)'ın "Atatürk'ün Samsun'a çıktığı zaman doğdum." hikayesini google booksta hiç bulamıyorum. Onu yazmak için bölümü geliştirdim ama ... Rica etsem kaynakları bulabilir misin ? Uydurma filan mı acaba ? Eğer öyle ise ilgili bölümden vazgeçip Hatı Çırpan maddesini açabağım. Görüşmek üzere. İyi haftasonları. Takabeg (talk) 11:18, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * P.S. Yukarıdaki Aniosgel'in mesajını görmüş oldum. Ben Kürt faşist arkadaşlarının başını mı çekiyorum ? Yok yaaaaaaw, ben onlarla da mücadele ediyorum. Takabeg (talk) 11:20, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Template: POW
You do not need a source to explicitly state that someone is a "prisoner of war" to add this template, according to wikipedia rules: "This template is used to indicate commanders who were captured or surrendered in Infobox Military Conflict," and I am afraid we do not have different templates for insurgent leaders or army officers. For instance here POW is used for captured Iraqi-Kurdish Islamist insurgent commander Abu Abdullah al-Shafi'i while here it is used for captured Taliban commader Obaidullah Akhund and al-Qaeda commander Younis al-Mauritani, while here it is used for captured Palestinian (according Israelis) "terrorist" leader Ahmad Sa'adat. Therefore it is applicable for captured PKK commanders aswell, despite what your government may want to call them.Kermanshahi (talk) 11:35, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

There are no double standards on wikipedia, you can't use word tererorist because it is just POV and therefore the different combatants in a conflict cannot be treated differently by the objective user. Now the POW template, according wikipedia is for commanders that were captured. We do not apply different standards for insurgents and armies because that is POV, which is against WP rules. + Those other conflicts I showed as examples were exactly the same situation, insurgency conflicts and not "declared wars" between different countries. Now why can you not understand that POW is simply neutral term for captured, as used in all military conflict infoboxes in wikipedia? there is no rule that you have to find specifically that term stated somewhere just as with KIA template. So now, I will not let your anti-Kurdish biases affect the article.Kermanshahi (talk) 14:31, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

You do not need any sources that refer to him as a prisoner of war, merely sources that say he was captured. Which are provided in the article.Kermanshahi (talk) 16:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I do not need any such sources, all that is needed is sources that say these people were captured/arrested by the Turksih government. I really don't know why it is so difficult for you to understand that the use of POW template is just simply for captured commanders (as is stated in the template's own article) and you think there is something special about the word. What other template do you suggest? And have you ever seen any other wikipedia article? Never before in Wikipedia history has someone made such an absurd claim to want a literal quote of the word "prisoner of war" to use the POW template. I do not know why you are so confused, but there are no ot her templates for this.Kermanshahi (talk) 17:16, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

You have no arguments that's the problem. This is not even an issue. The POW template was created for this purpose and it states so on the POW template page. I don't know what more to say to you. Never before has anyone even brought up such a strange discussion, why would you dispute the use of the POW template? And on what bases do you dispute it? Give me 1 reason why we should make an exception for this article, in not using the POW template for captured commanders? Just 1 reason. You can't. What youa re doing is so useless, why do you want to vandalise the infobox? We have no seperate template for captured isnrugents, how many times do I have to tell this to you! Kermanshahi (talk) 17:41, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

'''No! You have no right to demand such thing The POW Template article says it is to be used for all captured commanders, FACT! This fact is more important than your opinion, so you have no right to demand a source with such explicit wording. No, simply a source stating he was cpatured is enough. If you disagree, please take it up with the administrators and tell them to change the entire wikipedia policy for ALL ARTICLES, because until that happens you have no rigtht to remove these templates. It is just pure vandalism.'''Kermanshahi (talk) 17:50, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Captured=POW. I have many sources proven he was captured. I proved that on the POW template page it said this is for commanders which were captured. Which part of that is still unclear to you? Kermanshahi (talk) 18:02, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

And that POW templates are used for captured commanders in all cases, is not my "opinion" it is simply common wikipedia practice and it is stated on the template page that thsi is where the template was made for. I have broken no rules and done nothing POV at all by just applying the template for the exact reason it was made for (and is stated on the page). You are however deleting it to push your anti-Kurdish POV, which is vandalism and against wiki rules. I have nothing more to say to you. I simply will not allow you to vandalise the infobox, so take it up with an administrator if you want these POW templates removed. You will see (as I have already pointed out), however, that the rules are on my side and you are doing things that are unheared of.Kermanshahi (talk) 18:05, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Look, there is simply no other template for captured commanders. Therefore, there is no middle ground. There is just one template which everybody uses and which has never been a problem. Kermanshahi (talk) 18:16, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

See, the problem is: you say POW=/=captured, but Wikipedia says: "POW Template is used to indicate commanders who were captured or surrendered in Infobox Military Conflict" and therefore your opinion is irrelevant. And look, 'there is simply no other template for such prurpose the POW template is used in all cases, for all kind of conflicts and all king of combatants. You have no ground to stand on in saying that this case should be an exception.Kermanshahi (talk) 18:19, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

This is what I am telling you, POW template is used on wikipedia as a neutral term for any captured commander, weather he is from Turkey, US, Israel, Germany, Iran, ect. or from PKK, al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, ect. and there are no exceptions made. Either you have to change the entire ways and also change all the other articles (because there is not a signle article in wikipedia were the POW template is not used for captured "terrorist" commanders and it has never been required to source this wording). You think an administrator is going to change these ways just for you? Good luck. Come back once you've managed to change the rules. Kermanshahi (talk) 18:33, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but I was getting really frustrated with the fact that you did not seem to understand the situation no matter what I said. Also, this article is constantly targetted by Turkish propagandists, which is no coincidence. I have been doing my best for years now to keep blatantly POV propaganda-style statements and claims (usually unsources) off these articles. And I have never before seen anyone taking issue with the POW template before.19:00, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

- Hey Khutuck, have you read the reference Kermanshahi added about Hizbullah? The reference puts Hizbullah into Turkey's side but with scepticism. Kavas (talk) 01:52, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Le Grand Duc
Kütükçüm, Türkçe Vikide Le Grand Duc (Fransızca Viki, (Le Grand Duc reklamı) maddesini açacak kullanıcı var mı ? tr:Kullanıcı:Makedon, tr:Kullanıcı:Totenkopf division'a sorar mısın ? Takabeg (talk) 09:16, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Six Armenian Vilayets

 * Justin McCarthy (American historian) who you cited cannot be seen as neutral, see the article about him. He's a Armenian Genocide denier.
 * "Reverted removal of French, there are no reliable sources that claim the French estimation was based on Ottoman estimation"
 * What you mean?? Do you think that some author is going to state that "...this French estimation was based on Ottoman official census of 1914..."??? Of course not. It's just obvious. Just compare the two data sets. --Yerevanci (talk) 19:49, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * You know what?? Do just whatever you want to do. I don't care. If you gonna argue every single obvious thing, then I'm out. Consider this as a win. Be happy. And remember don't tell any Armenian not to be emotional about Armenian Genocide. You have no moral rights to say that. God bless you. --Yerevanci (talk) 13:10, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * No, everything's OK. I know myself that I can't be neutral, so I'm out. Good luck with it. --Yerevanci (talk) 13:41, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Re Kurdish-Turkish conflict move
Khutuck, it is unfortunate you did not weigh-in on this move during the nearly 6 weeks it was open. Merely saying the move should be reverted isn't going to work. If you sincerely believe the name should be changed, you are free to open an RM with the desired name. RMs are not binding, and any discussion aimed at reaching a better consensus is good. --Mike Cline (talk) 15:29, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * What happened recently? I was away for 2-3 weeks. I think we can open a new RM discussion in upcoming months, it is not a good idea to start a new discussion so quickly. Kavas (talk) 23:56, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Turkish-PKK conflict den ziyade Turkey-PKK conflict adı daha uygundur. Eskiden böyleydi kimseye danışılmadan değiştirildi.-- Reality 02:46, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

RM-PKK
Kütük, Admin bana yazmis RM acin diye. Ben RM nedir bilemiyorum, radyoda FM kanallarini zor buluyorum. Ilginize... --E4024 (talk) 14:10, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Kermanshahi and Khutuck
A very experienced editor and one not so experienced, but around WP for a while should know better. The discussions at Talk:Kurdish–Turkish conflict will not be productive if you continue to snipe at each other with personal jibes. Both of you have been crossing the line with mild, but never the less, personal accusations about the other’s motives. This article Kurdish–Turkish conflict is about a real world situation. All sides of the conflict have their POV and in the spirit of WP:NPOV the article should contain a balance of those views. But even more importantly, in the spirit of WP:CIVILITY all those editors who are working on the article should be unconcerned and remain quiet about other editor’s political, cultural or personal beliefs. Making anything personal within WP unless it is praise, is a no win situation and does not contribute to improving the encyclopedia. I would encourage both of you to Bite Your Tongue whenever the urge to make something personal pops into your head. Thanks. No response required as I will be looking for tangible improvement in your actions, not idle words. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:58, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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