User talk:Kiatdd/Archive 1

The sections on Ijaz
The edits were lost in a fit of vandalism. I have done nothing but to restore them. Kindly discuss this on the talk page. I have started a new topic there. --- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.68.169.92 (talk) 19:31, 15 June 2013 (UTC) I replied to your comment in your talk page.Kiatdd (talk) 18:22, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Welcome
Many thanks for the contributions. A couple of useful resources are WP:MEDRS and WP:MEDMOS. Drop me a note if you have any questions. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your talk page please reply on mine) 15:12, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Picture
Wikimedia commons labelled the picture a case of "sterile non ulcerative keratitis". Is this incorrect? Also thanks for the pyuria catch, wasn't thinking. This is in regard to diffuse lamellar keratitis. 213.232.200.195 (talk) 20:56, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanking from AsceticRose
Do you really think my edits are excellent? Anyway, thank you for your appreciation. − Ascetic Rosé 15:55, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks from Mdscottis - cataract
Your edits have transformed 'cataract'. The process actually works! Thank you. --Mdscottis (talk) 18:37, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've restored the citation numbers. I'm not sure if you intended to remove them or not, or place book references in a different section. I can certainly revert if that is what you intended. --Mdscottis (talk) 22:53, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Re: AsceticRose
Thank you for your reply. Actually, when I started editing Muhammad in Islam, i did not have any fixed planning. But now I see we should have some planning about the contents of this page. I'm exchanging views with another user on this issue. We need discussion on the take page for a better result. You're also welcome. Yes the bio is covered in Muhammad article, but I like to present it according to Islamic traditions.-- Ascetic Rosé  talk  05:33, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

template
Hi, I have seen that you keep on revering template on Jesus in Islam. I have provided the sources earlier as well on the talk page and still i can provide the sources.Please kindly clarify what is the problem in it if the things are sourced you can not raise questions on it. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 10:37, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * One of the problems with the templates is that they include "content". "Content" belongs in the article space so that anyone can edit and see the changes each time they are edited. Kiatdd (talk) 10:50, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok i have removed the content. Hope now there will be no such problem. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 11:08, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I see no problem in template:Isa and as you know its talk page is useful, because we do not have time to discuss it all over again. Kiatdd (talk) 11:33, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * On your request i have removed the contents and now there are only links. There is no problem in the template now and i hope you are too satisfied with it. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 11:50, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

GOD
I think you have missed my point. I was talking about the total probability of all such events in the whole of world population since the time of our creation. And, perhaps that could be expanded even further to the all probability of all events since the big bang leading towards appearance of solar system, the earth, life and humans. And, it could have been expanded even more further, past big bang to the moment of the creation of everything. And, in case there wasn't such a point but everything is eternal than its definately absolutely one divided by infinity, which isn't zero but almost zero. Ryanspir (talk) 23:41, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reply. Replied in my talk page. Ryanspir (talk) 15:37, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
eh bien mon prince (talk) 19:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Kiatdd! You're right, I won't be editing those templates again for now, until there are more comments on the situation. About choosing which templates should be kept or deleted, I nominated some of them already, the discussion can be found here. Thanks for the heads-up about the calligraphic image, I changed it to the right one now! Cheers, eh bien mon prince (talk) 18:13, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

From AsceticRosé
Hi Kiatdd, hope you are well. You have not yet said what you were thinking about my comments! -- Ascetic Rosé  talk  17:36, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your valuable reply. But don't you think that some of the biographic info (like the causes of battles, latter Islamic social reforms), about which there are different views between Muslim and non-Muslim sources, can also be included in this article from Muslim perspective? And what about sections like Muhammad in the Quran and Muhammad and the Quran?-- Ascetic Rosé  talk  04:13, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Advice required
Sorry to disturb you once again! In Muhammad in Islam article, the texts in section Notable early events should come under some headlines. But I'm not sure about the names of the headlines. I've thought of "Orphanhood, a divine plan" for the second para, "God's protection" (combining the third para and the lower text of the first para), and "Early sign of Prophethood" for the last para. What do you think? Also, the section name "Notable early events" should also be changed to "Youth" or "Early Years". Which one do you prefer? -- Ascetic Rosé  talk  13:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. But you people should better discuss these type of proposals at article's talk. Faizan (talk) 13:58, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

reply from AsceticRose
1st message: yes, they may look like that, but they are coming under the section "Muslim account of Muhammad", and not directly. You see, in article like Moses in Islam, there are sections like "Test of prophecy" and "Call to prophethood". Without sub-sections, the mother section will look vague.

2nd message: yes, you are right. Most of the wiki pages on Quran chapters are not only poor, but also filled with irrelevant info. They are written in bad style. They really need improvements. I like to do that but am busy with, you know, other article. -- Ascetic Rosé  talk  10:14, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Muhammad in Islam
Well, that article concerns with Muhammad in Islam,or with "Muslim account of Muhammad", So Muslim point of view should be presented there, and in this perspective, I agree with User:AsceticRose's Arguments. This Article should deal with only the Muslims' viewpoint about their Last Prophet! The article should deal with only Islamic traditions about the Prophet. Your comments like "Another example is the theory that Muhammad suffered from seizure attacks, this page can explain about these theories", is also heart-breaking and it may provide oil to the fire! We are not here, to discuss his health, we are here to just present Islamic viewpoint about the Last Prophet. Hope you got it.... Faizan (talk) 13:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Reply: proposal about suras
I think, the issue you raised is very complex. I’ve the following observation.
 * First of all the interpretation of Quran is very important. The interpretation of any sura (i.e. its verses) bears its significance. But as all wiki editors are not scholars, they are filling wiki pages with whatever they can write. But it does not legalize the exclusion of interpretation.
 * By “original text”, If you mean the Arabic text, then its inclusion into English pages will not lead to a very nice picture!
 * If you include original text and two translations, can you imagine the size of pages?
 * Your suggestion of including only the first few verses (or selected verses) for long suras may create serious problems. For long suras, first few verses may not be the most important parts. About selected verses, there may be disagreement.
 * I think we can start improving these pages like other articles, without setting any structure, because such a structure may be hard to be agreed upon.
 * After all, these are my views only. These may be insufficient.-- Ascetic Rosé   talk  15:17, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
-- Ascetic Rosé   08:45, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Message
-- Ascetic Rosé   14:21, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanking you!
Thanking you for showing me the right way in editing Muhammad in Islam -- Ascetic Rosé   17:44, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Request re: changes you made to Alpins method of astigmatism analysis
I posted a version of this also on my talk page:

Kiatdd, I just noticed that you deleted all reference to Alpins method of astigmatism analysis in the corneal topography section. As I noted in response to your note on my talk page, the entire entry is inadequate, and the Alpins section sticks out only because it talks about that one aspect of corneal topography. Were the entry to be expanded and referenced appropriately, Alpins would appear as only a minor section. And it is not advertising; it is mathematics, which is used daily by ophthalmic surgeons around the world. I ask that you reverse your decision to delete. Thank you. Kcroes (talk) 16:58, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Same rationale applies to Astigmatism (eye) as above. It makes no sense to describe ocular astigmatism without mention of state-of-the-art methods of measuring and analyzing (using approach adopted by the American National Standards Institute. Kcroes (talk) 17:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Please know that I'd be happy to shorten the passages in question as opposed to throwing the baby out with the bath water. Kcroes (talk) 17:16, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

List of companions
Kiatdd thanks for leaving me the message:
 * Hi Johnleeds1, this page:List of Sahabah seems neglected, somebody created a template of companions template:Sahabah mentioning 280 names, the page list of sahabah is just a mess, what's your suggestion?

I would say that like the other pages about Islam on Wikipedia it needs improving. Unfortunately Mohammad's companions are being classed as Sunni or Shia in this article even though Sunni and Shia did not exist during the time of Muhammad and they classed them selves as following the religion of Abraham and classed them selves a Muslim. Other articles are even worst --Johnleeds1 (talk) 20:48, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

May 2013
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 * thanks, I'll fix them.Kiatdd (talk) 18:32, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

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Sura
Sorry about this edit. I didn't mean to remove your edits. I was only intending to remove the spam. I must have opened the page and completely missed that you had worked on it after the IP. Sorry again. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 19:54, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Muhammad's first revelation
I think the article still needs some work like addition/removal of some content, dividing the text into sections etc. Some contents that were removed might be useful. I'm going to take a short wikibreak. After that, I intend to work on it. Thanks. - Ascetic Rosé   04:49, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Hadith's of the prophet Mohammed sallalahu alayhi we sellem
Esselamu aleikum we rahmetullah brother

Do you know what hadith means? Why did u revert my edits when they are not in discrepancy with the etymology, i have translated the word....... the word doesn't mean "tradition" ok? There's another word in arabic which means tradition. What business do you have editing islam topics you not being muslim, and if you are muslim how can you not know what hadith is........ so please go edit some athiest posts.... now if u are muslim go get a hadith book and leanr what it is and quit spreading lies about tradition, ok? If you keep spreading this lie may God break your leg... thankx... are you afraid?~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeputyBob (talk • contribs) 17:58, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I am very sorry, I should have explained first in your talk page before reverting you.Kiatdd (talk) 19:26, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

September 2013
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 * of Christians by Dhu Nawas in Yaman, persecutions by Nebuchadnezzar, and the battle of trench.
 * Ok!Kiatdd (talk) 19:26, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello again
Hi Kiatdd, how are you? In the article Fatimah, an unusual image is being inserted. We have a discussion regarding it in the talk-page. Can you please have your view on it here? - Ascetic Rosé   16:00, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Muhammad's views on slavery

 * Hi Kiatdd, sorry for late response. I was in a fix as to how to start cleaning in this article. I have started a discussion on the article's talk-page, and pointed out the problems. Please participate. Thanks. - Ascetic Rosé   15:03, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Kiatdd, thanks for your comment. I have made some copy-edit there. But there are other problems in the article and we need some sort of agreement to fix them. Will you please talk a look at the talk? And thanks for your nice edit in Muhammad article. - Ascetic Rosé   04:27, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

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Unverifiable content
I noticed you have deleted content from various suras. While the intention might have been good, you are supposed to add a "citation-needed tag" as an interim step before outright deletion if the material is easily verifiable. In some cases I can confirm it was easily verifiable. Please keep this in mind in the future. Thanks. Pass a Method  talk  20:16, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Unverifiable content, and sadly in sura pages crappy content, can be deleted on the spot. Another issue is that they are chapters of the Quran and not dump grounds for weird interpretations. Kiatdd (talk) 20:37, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Ways to improve Angelika Neuwirth
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