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Gregory Reinhart - image problems
I've edited this article to comply with Wikipedia format guidelines after you added the images. I am concerned, however, about the images you added: The first and third are definitely by professional photographers, and possibly the second as well. The image from Pelléas et Mélisande is clearly marked: © CLAIRE BESSE. The headshot is published here. The page carries the notice: © 2007 Robert Gilder. If you don't own the copyrights, you cannot release these photos under a free license.
 * File:Reinhart300.jpg ‎ (Gregory Reinhart as Arkel in “Pelléas et Mélisande” TCE Paris. photographed by Claire Besse.)
 * File:Reinhart200.jpg ‎ (Placido Domingo and Gregory Reinhart, Opening Night of Washington National Opera “Samson et Dalila”)
 * File:Reinhart100.jpg ‎ (Gregory Reinhart headshot)

They have been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files for discussion because their copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the files' copyright status cannot be verified, they may be deleted. You may find more information on the description pages for each of these files. You are welcome to add comments to their entry at the discussion if you are interested in them not being deleted. There are also resources available at Copyright assistance if you have any questions. Best wishes Voceditenore (talk) 09:06, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Need help?
You seem to be having some problems with photos you have added. If you are working by request for Mr. Reinhart and you want to add the photos (as you said here), then what you should do is upload the original photo(s) to Wikimedia Commons, which is a repository of images and other media that people can see and use (with permission). Then get him (only if he owns the copyright to the photos, otherwise, you need the permission of the photographer(s) that took them) to e-mail the OTRS (explained here) with an e-mail granting permission to share the photo under whatever license he chooses (licenses are all explained here; there are some e-mail templates you can use here). For Commons, a good choice is a combined GDFL/CC-BY-SA-3.0 license. I know this seems very complicated, but when you are adding professional photos of famous people they are always scrutinized more!

Remember that you can always type on this page, save it, and someone will come along to help you. You can also ask me on my talk page (write a question and save the page, on my talk page, here). Also, one more thing--if you are working for Mr. Reinhart and are editing his article, note that neutral point of view is a cornerstone of this encyclopedia; stick to facts only! Cheers - Gump Stump (talk) 08:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, the files still exist. You made your comments on the wrong page and gave the wrong file address for them. They still exist and are still up for discussion at Possibly_unfree_files/2009_May_24, where you can comment. Gump Stump's advice is good and worth following if you want to keep the photos in the article. I know it seems like a lot of hoops to jump through, but Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:29, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

kickNYC saysKickNYC (talk) 19:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC) i know i am probably listing this in the wrong spot, but thanks to everyone who is trying to help me. i now have email permissions by both photographers (claire besse/the stage shot, Reinhart300.jpg) and jacques chuilon (headshot Reinhart100,jpg and 2-shot of greg with placido, Reinhart200.jpg).

with time, i am confident that i can figure this all out. i need to figure out if i can simply email this permission to creavtivecommons, and what license designation, or must the photographers do this themselves?

i am still looking for the explanation page that had boats on a river that showed how to do photo captions and move the photo on the page.

i am a friend of greg reinhart and not an employee. i now realize that i forgot to type in the summary of the changes that i made. they were simple changes --- adding additional operas in which he has performed, changing a city name, etc.

he was very happy and impressed with the biography. i want to learn how to link the operas that i added to other wiki pages.

i will try to post my defense of the photos again. once again. thanks, everyone!

eta: i forwarded the photographer's permission to: permissions-commons@wikimedia.org

i read wiki almost everyday. it's a great source of information. sorry that i've made so many mistakes and breaches of protocol.

Uploading and tagging the images
Hi again, KickNYC. This is the right spot--I'm checking this page occasionally to see how you're doing, but if you want to get my attention you can post a message on my talk page.

The easiest thing to do right now is probably to forget about the photos that you've already uploaded to Wikipedia (for now), and start fresh by uploading the images (or higher resolution versions of them, if available) to Wikimedia Commons. Click here to go to the upload page for Commons. Now, on the upload page, here's some tips for what to put in the text boxes: 1) name each picture something descriptive--for example, for the headshot, "Gregory Reinhart headshot.jpg" would be a good name. 2) for "Original source" and "Author", put in the photographer's name. 3) if you know when the picture was taken, put in the date in "Date of the work". 4) In "Description", fill in a brief description of what the image is showing. 5) IMPORTANT: in the field that says "Permission", type in this:  that lets people know that they should not try to delete it until you are able to get the photographer's permission. 6) in the "Licensing" box, you can leave it as "none selected" for the time being.

Now, only AFTER the images have been uploaded can you get the photographer's permission. Use one of these templates; copy and paste that text into an e-mail to the photographer. In the spot that says "insert link", paste a link to the image you just uploaded (for example, this: is a link to a picture on Commons); your link should look similar. That allows the photographer to find and see the image and verify that they took it, and that the information is correct. For the "license" part, you can put in the name of any free license; for example, the Creative Commons-Attribution-ShareAlike-3.0 (CC-BY-SA-3.0) license is a current one: this link is an excellent description of what it means to the photographer if they license the photo like that. If they want to be much less restrictive, they can release their rights to the photo entirely (known as public domain), but that is not necessary. Ultimately it's up to them (because they took the picture) but you can recommend one by putting it into the e-mail.

Explain to them that they need to send that e-mail (with the link to the photo and the license type filled in), with their name and the date at the bottom of it, to this e-mail address:  permissions-commons@wikimedia.org 

Once the images are uploaded and the photographers have sent the e-mails, I or someone else can fix the ones that you've already uploaded. Then I or someone else can give you a hand with adding them to the article--upload and license properly first, add to the article second! If you need any more help, just ask. - Gump Stump (talk) 21:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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kickNYC says: thank you. i was putting the tilde characters in the wrong spot.KickNYC (talk) 21:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * When you reply to a comment, you can indent your comment (to show it's a related statement or reply) by putting a colon before your comment. If you click "edit this page" and just look at the page, you can pick up a lot of these things just by looking at how the text looks while editing vs. how it displays on the page (e.g. ==Headings== or links ). By the way, that user is a Bot (short for Robot), so it works automatically and won't respond to you. FYI, I'm just commenting now to make sure you noticed the comment I made above that, just a few minutes before the Bot did. It's quite an essay, but it should lead you through your picture problems. - Gump Stump (talk) 22:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

kickNYC says ---thanks for all of your advice and support, gump stump. i am a film and video editor but am a novice when it comes to HMTL.i am a bit familiar w/ simple website design (alas, not execution) and message board posting but never anything this complex. if i need to upload the photos again at creativecommons, that is ok. i want them to look good and need to review the wiki templates and caption styles. i think there is an enlarge function that i need to learn.

i just saw something on wiki with a of photo megan fox that looked good. it was on the right side where i was trying to place greg's headshot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan_Fox

i asked the photographer, jacques chuilon if he wants photo credit on his 2 photos. i am waiting to hear back.

greg reinhart doesn't know the author of his wiki biography but likes it very much. he only asked me to add some photos and update the operas as he is not that experienced w/ computers.

soon, i will post my changes on the summary page. i have notes on the things i updated. i would like to put links from the new operas to existing wiki page descriptions of each opera. thanks so much.KickNYC (talk) 06:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi kickNYC. I'm a member of WikiProject Opera and was the one who wrote most of the article. (It originally looked like this: .) I'll be happy to help you with formatting and updating. Just give me a shout on User Talk:Voceditenore or on Talk:Gregory Reinhart. I also have the article on my watch list so can repair anything that goes wrong. Re the Megan Fox infobox, the opera and classical music projects don't use them for biographies in those areas, and in fact strongly discourage them. The one in Megan Fox is designed for pop singers and not suitable. But it's quite easy to put extra information in the caption under the photograph. Again, I'll be glad to help. Voceditenore (talk) 08:57, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * PS. There are no links to Perelà, uomo di fumo and Mansouri's K…, because Wikipedia doen't have articles on them. Were these the links you were thinking about? Also, I can enlarge the photos for you, but we have to make sure that the size doesn't disrupt the layout of the text. The reader can always click on the image to get a larger version. But I think it's best to wait for that until you have sorted out the copyright status of the images first. Voceditenore (talk) 09:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

kickNYC says,hi voceditenore. greg's page is brilliant! i didn't realize that you had written it. greg said he didn't even know he had a page until recently. he said it is fantastic!

thank you so much for your help and instructions. thank you for moving the photos too. jacques chuilon, the photographer of the headshot and the placido shot, said that his photos don't have to have a credit for him.

i will update the summary of the fixes i did. they were very minor (adding a few operas, adding another book title under number 3 of the references, and changing boston to quincy to another city plus adding the name of the opera patron/donor, adelina chella.

i would have to look at my list of operas that i added.

greg said he has a little fix (maybe a typo) that he will be sending me. would you like him to contact you for any further updates or changes?

one of my best friends is teresa stratas. i see she has a wiki page without photos. by chance, did you write that one?

are you in NYC? the met just honored her with a career retrospective last sept. as part of their legends series.

here are the changes (per greg) that i made:

Gregory Reinhart Remove Three then add: several contemporary operas, including – Biography Mark Pearson (remove link) Donor from Boston replace with: Quincy, Adelina Chella (San Francisco) Biterolf add: /Landgraf Repertoire Add composer and title: Alberto Bruni Tedeschi Secondatto (le20Bouddhiste) World premier Under Monteverdi Add to list: L’Orfeo (Caronte/Plutone) Under Mozart Add to list : La finta semplice (Don Cassandro) Under Rameau Add to list: Hippolyte et Aricie (Thésée/Pluton) Under Rossini La donna del replace Iago with L should read: La donna del Lago Guillaume Tell (Leuthold add: /Walter)

Under Stravinsky The Rake’s Progress (Trulove add /Nick Shadow) Under Wagner Add to list: Das Rheingold (Fasolt) Die Walküre (Hunding) Götterdämmerung (Hagen) References Add to 3.: The title Mattia Battistini, King of Baritones and Baritone of Kings was released in English (Scarecrow Press) in April 2009. See: http://www.chuilon.com/

KickNYC (talk) 19:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

kickNYCsays, Voceditenore i don't how to post my edit changes in the gregory reinhart history summary. it looks like my changes have been automatically logged but i failed to enter change note descriptions at the time.

the good news is that the 3 photos have been voted on and approved by the wiki people. i just have to add another license at creative commons. i hope i can figure that out over at their website.KickNYC (talk) 19:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

kickNYCsays, i couldn't figure out how to add the extra license that wiki was requesting. i have sent an email to creativecommons asking their help in instructing me how to add the extra license on the 3 photos.

i gave them part of wiki's message to me about the photos.

someone mentioned once (stumy gump? you?), that i may have to re-submit the photos at creativecommons under new names.

i'll await instructions from wiki-creativecommons and see if that's necessary.

the before and after page for greg is amazing. you did such a wonderful job!KickNYC (talk) 19:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Reply to your questions
Hi again KickNYC. 1) You said that Jacques Chuilon told you that he doesn't need a credit for his photo, but Wikimedia (which operates Wikipedia, the encyclopedia, and Commons, the media database) takes copyright very seriously--you will have to get proper permission from the photographer (in the way I outlined to you before), otherwise there is no proof the photographer actually did release the specific photo under the specific license. 2) You can't change the edit summary after you've made an edit--just do it from now on when you make new edits. 3) The photos you uploaded to Wikipedia have not been updated with any information about "approval"--can you clarify what you mean by that? 4) I think you are confusing "Creative Commons" with "Wikimedia Commons". Creative Commons is an organization that created and publicizes a group of licenses (the Creative Commons licenses, obviously!); Wikimedia Commons is a database of media files that is operated by the same non-profit foundation that runs Wikipedia. Files that are on Wikimedia Commons often are licensed under a Creative Commons license, but otherwise Creative Commons is not related to Wikimedia Commons. Around Wikipedia, when people refer to "Commons", they're talking about the media database--if they are referring to the licenses, they'll say "Creative Commons licenses" or something like that. 5) What "extra license" is requested for the photos? I'm not sure what you mean. 6) I suggested that it might be the easiest thing to upload them to Commons and start fresh, but you've already sent some e-mails. If they are helping you then that's good, but if you are hitting any obstacles or dead ends you can always follow the steps I listed above and that will result in pictures that will be properly licensed, approved, and permanently available. - Gump Stump (talk) 16:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * One more thing: I found a page on Wikipedia dealing with photo submissions for people represented on Wikipedia (like Greg). Take a look, it may be helpful. - Gump Stump (talk) 20:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

kickNYC says, hi gump stump. i can put photo credits for jacques chuilon, even though he didn't demand one. i forwarded his permission for his 2 photos and forwarded the email from the phototographer claire besse for her photo ] To: 	permissions-commons@wikimedia.org on may 29, 09

i take copyrights very seriously as well and would never violate one.

i looked at the photos on the possible free area or saw a memo at the top from them saying that the committee had voted to allow the photos. they only requested that i add an additional license at wiki.creativecommons. (see their message below)

i wasn't able to figure out how to do that at the creativecommons website. i sent them an email asking for them to instruct me.

this is what i saw here at wiki: The Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) has proposed that the copyright licensing terms on the wikis operated by the WMF — including Wikipedia — be changed to include the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike (CC-BY-SA) license in addition to the current GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL). This will affect all text and rich media (images, sound, video, etc.) currently licensed under "GFDL 1.2 or later versions". This change is meant to advance the WMF's mission by increasing the compatibility and availability of free content. Further details and motivation for this change are explained in the licensing update proposal and the associated FAQ.

To gauge community support for adopting this change, a Wikimedia-wide vote was conducted between April 12 and May 3, 2009. The vote was managed by volunteers associated with the licensing update committee and conducted on servers controlled by the independent non-profit SPI.

i saw that something like 75% of the committee voted for approval for the photos 10% said no 14% had no opinion

Reply again
You seem to be all over the place, KickNYC.

If you e-mailed permissions-commons@wikimedia.org it probably won't do much good, since the images are not on Commons, they're on English Wikipedia. And unless you gave them a link to the images, I doubt they will find them. They would also need to see an indication from the photographer about what license he/she is releasing the photo under and which exact photo it is, which they probably didn't state in their e-mail.

The approval message you saw is for a vote that was done across all the Wikimedia projects for something completely unrelated (the community was deciding whether to license everyone's future contributions under an additional license). It's a message that was appearing (as general information) at the top of pages for a while; it was not specific to the page you were visiting or the files you uploaded.

At this point my suggestion would be to look at the section I wrote above (titled "Uploading and tagging the images") and follow through with those instructions carefully and completely--a fresh start with the photos (uploading and getting permission correctly from the start) is probably the best way to go with this. Also, you should read all the comments others have posted here on your page again; I think you're still confusing Wikimedia Commons with Creative Commons, for example. Good luck, - Gump Stump (talk) 19:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

kickNYC says: thank gump stump. i am confused over where i was supposed upload the pictures and what license to use. i followed the instructions that were originally sent me via email from wiki when i registered in order to make text opdates and add photos. it sent me to creativecommons. once at creativecommons, it distinctly directed me to wikicommons WITHIN their site. i will use your instructions this time.

i have had work deadlines and haven't been able to sort out this photo situation. i have the photos in my computer. i still have the emails from the photographers granting permission for their use. i can start all over if i have to. i just need the photo formatting to stay there because somone helped me do that. i couldn't get the photos in the right place.

and i am going to add photo credit for jacques chuilon in the caption on his 2 photos

i hope to have everything fixed by this fridayKickNYC (talk) 01:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Reply
The photos you are uploading are a special case, so try out my instructions. You will have to get new e-mails from the photographers that specify the file name and location, the license they are releasing the photo under, their name, and the date; they should also send the e-mails directly to Commons OTRS, rather than to you (see my instructions above for example e-mails that you/they can just fill in). The photo formatting will stay there on Greg's page--it's very very easy to replace a picture without changing how the picture looks on the page. The page for Greg will look exactly the same, but nobody will question the photos again! You just have to do it right once. - Gump Stump (talk) 17:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, this is really important. The photographers have to fully understand that when they release the photos under the required licenses, they are agreeing that anyone can re-use those photos, even for commercial gain without compensating the original photographer or paying them royalties, and anyone can alter them as they wish. This is not the time to worry about formatting the photos. It's very simple to do and other editors, including me will help you. It's far more important for you to clear-up the permissions properly. Voceditenore (talk) 17:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

kickNYC says: okay, thanks so much. both photographers are french. i hope that they will be able to understand the english instructions and that i can coordinate this. i haven't had the chance to review the instructions but i hope that you have told me what license(s) to ask for --- that was an early mistake of mine.

thanks for being patient with me. i can't tell you how often i read wiki to find out information on subjects but posting is a whole other ballgame! i have a lot of respect for those who have done it. KickNYC (talk) 02:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Reply
Hi again. If you want to show them the e-mail template in another language, go to the E-mail templates page, and at the top there is a horizontal grey bar that shows the different languages available. Click "Francais" and it will give you the same templates in French. Almost any page in Wikimedia has equivalents in other languages; you can see them listed on the left hand side of the page. In the instructions I recommended the Creative Commons-Attribution-ShareAlike-3.0 (CC-BY-SA-3.0) license, which is free enough to put on Commons, but allows the photographer to retain a lot of control. Licensing the photo under the Gnu Free Documentation License (GFDL) in addition to the Creative Commons license is also a good thing, but it's not necessary. - Gump Stump (talk) 20:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)