User talk:Kidariss

Visa requirements for Jamaican citizens
Hi there

I noticed that on 24th of September 2023 you on two occasions edited the total number of visa-free destinations for Jamaican citizens. First from 90 to 99, then from 99 to 103. I am confused because it does not look like you edited any of the individual entries so would like to know if you can clarify which additional destinations you believe Jamaicans can now access visa-free, or which 103 destinations in general you believe Jamaicans can access visa-free?

Thanks 197.94.90.77 (talk) 10:09, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes all the destinations are on the this same wikipedia page on visa free access. They include not just countries but also territories of other countries as well. If you count them t
 * You will see that they add up to 103 destination visa free and visa on arrival. 173.225.242.220 (talk) 10:22, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the quick reply. I think I understand your reasoning now. However, the text you are editing cites the Henley Passport Index as a source, which still suggests a score of 89 for Jamaica.
 * I have done some checks to compare the two and there are two reasons for the discrepancy. One reason is that some of the information in the Wiki is just inaccurate, for example Papua New Guinea and Indonesia are listed as visa free on the Wiki, but visa required on HPI. These can be independently verified on the relevant government websites to show that the HPI page is correct and the Wiki is incorrect.
 * Secondly, the major discrepancy is in which destinations are considered for the HPI. If you count the total number of countries+territorties considered as possible destinations in this Wiki entry, you get 271. Your number of 103 might be close to accurate as a proportion of those. However, the HPI only considers 227 destinations. Therefore, many of the destinations included in the Wiki entry do not feature at all in the index, and I believe this accounts for most of the discrepancy.
 * If the page is to continue citing the HPI as a primary data source, it will not be appropriate to count destinations that are not considered for the HPI. I believe you either need to consider only the destinations HPI considers, or you need to edit the page to clarify that this count is based on a different range of destinations (though of course this might render it difficult to compare to other similar pages for other countries, which do tend to follow the HPI criteria). 197.94.90.77 (talk) 10:45, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi thank you also for your response. I totally understand what you have said. I also wrote to HPI and informed them that their information was incorrect and they responded to me via email and said that they are going to clarify the information. For example HPI has Jamaica passport as visa needed for Nicaragua but it is Visa on arrival . Countries visa regime are changing every day but their data is only being updated every so often . I will Edit the page to reflect the current source of data. 173.225.243.233 (talk) 20:06, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have proof of this (that Jamaicans get VOA for Nicaragua)? I can probably help you to get it changed if you do. 197.94.90.77 (talk) 20:26, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes all you have to do is Google the information. It will show you that for Jamaican citizens visiting Nicaragua it is VOA . You can also visit the Nicaragua visa requirements page. 173.225.243.157 (talk) 22:58, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, by "proof" I'm asking if you can present an official/authoritative up-to-date source that verifies this information, not whether it might come up in google/wiki results somewhere ;) 197.94.93.166 (talk) 13:31, 5 October 2023 (UTC)