User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz/Archive 37

It's Seren
Just...wanted to note that. Not Serene. ^_^; Silver  seren C 07:37, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Awww, but a touch of serenity is so good for us! Though Seren could be short for serendipity, which is also good for us.  Pesky  (talk ) 09:24, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry about adding the "e". Pesky's serendipitous comment shall help me remember the no-"e" spelling. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  17:42, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Grooveshark
Kiefer, For the most part I agree with the edits you have done on the Grooveshark page and related pages but I am unclear why you are linking Robert Fripp and DMG when there is no mention of them in the Grooveshark page nor any mention of Grooveshark at the respective pages. Yes, I get their involvement but, to the uninitiated the links are totally unrelated. Happy Editing. --Daffydavid (talk) 20:32, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Daffydavid,
 * Thanks for writing. Per WP:See also, usual practice is to avoid listing articles that are not mentioned in the text. I have suggested adding some mention of Robert Fripp's diary and the DGM complaint in the article, using especially the New York Times coverage. The scoop was by Digital Music News, I believe, whose story then spread to other news media. If nobody else adds some mention, I may add something. After an in-text discussion is added, I would remove the see also mention.
 * Best regards, Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  22:15, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for !voting

 * Oh, shucks!
 * You were ready to be an administrator long ago. Anybody who does as much work as you do without leaving a visible trail of dead bodies is worth consideration, and you have always been kind and reasonable in all our encounters.
 * Syzygium malaccense! The word "syzygium" provoked pstd flashbacks to syzigy modules! Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  13:23, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

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Question
Are you up for being a mentor? Silver seren C 08:00, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I would be pleased to mentor anybody involved with the Berkeley Housing Cooperatives. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  08:04, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Category:Fictional speakers of Klingon
Category:Fictional speakers of Klingon, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:42, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Od!
 * The category of fictional speakers of Esperanto lies in a parent category, so your deletion nomination should be retracted---unless an unstated reason is important.
 * Similarly you should not leave a misleading template on an editor's talk page, without editing it for fidelity with truth. You have nominated the category for deletion. Please strike ", merging, or renaming", to avoid confusing or misleading other readers, when leaving this template in the future.
 * Sincerely, Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  10:27, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

ANI
I apologize for not informing you that your name had been mentioned in that discussion. I saw it, did not like that it had been mentioned, but brushed it off as unrelated. Ryan Vesey Review me!  16:35, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hej Ryan!
 * No problem! You should not worry about others' behavior on Wikipedia, particularly at ANI.
 * The comments were a triviality, but I seized the teachable moment to request that Malleus's name not be used as "Baba Yaga" to frighten innocent visitors to ANI (and that mine not be used as "Casper the Friendly Ghost"). I had thought that there had been some discussion that ANI should avoid mentioning editors this way in the civility enforcement decision, such as it was, but perhaps such discussion occurred elsewhere.
 * Kiefer .Wolfowitz  18:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you very much, Dr. Blofeld, for the delightful barnstar! I trust that our shared respect for Russia (and Ukraine) will provide consolation to the disheartened fans of their national football-teams, who suffered losses to Greece and France. At least Ukraine defeated Sweden, to my bride's delight! :) Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  09:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


 * My little Mammy,
 * My heartstrings are tangled around Alabammy.
 * Mammy, Mammy, I'm comin',
 * I'm so sorry that I made you wait!
 * Mammy, Mammy, I'm comin'!
 * Oh God, I hope I'm not late!
 * Look at me, Mammy! Don't you know me?
 * I'm your little baby!
 * I'd walk a million miles
 * For one of your smiles,
 * My Mammy!



UC Berkeley
Hey Keifer!
 * I notice you are currently busy in real life, but if you have a moment to take a look at my work I have some stuff uploaded onto my sandbox. I am toying right now with how I'd like to structure the article, and am slowly uploading content as I pretty it up and fill in gaps of missing info.  I will also need to do a second round of research for certain things that will need a third party source.  I will be going to the women's editathon at the foundation headquarters in San Francisco tomorrow afternoon, and will be seeking advice there as well.
 * I hope all is well! Eekiv (talk) 23:11, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Eekiv!
 * I'm sorry for my delay in responding, but I've got a deadline in real life (and so my WP editing has been focused on only getting some articles on regular tunings ready for the main page).
 * I shall look at your writing on Thursday.
 * Again, please accept my apologies for not responding immediately.
 * Yours in cooperation, Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  13:51, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Something of potential interest
See Talk:The Denial of Death. --Guyovski
 * Thanks! Please delete anything unsourced, per WP:RS. Please delete junk per the guidelines dealing with pseudoscience, fringe, and medical/human-health articles, etc.
 * I adjusted the talk-back template, which pointed to the user talk page, by mistake.
 * Respectfully, Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  18:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm too new and inexperienced to understand your latest edit, so I'll leave it be. In terms of the substantive issues, I don't feel qualified to decide that something is pseudoscience, so I'm not comfortable with deleting material on that basis. I do accept that unsourced material should be deleted. The problem is that 90% of the article fits that category and the only thing that would survive deletion is a stub about the impact. So maybe this article as a whole should be nominated for deletion so experts on the subject matter can discuss it. The subject doesn't seem to be notable. Let me know what you think. Guyovski (talk) 19:57, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The book is notable, for better or for worse, like the Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge (*shudder of revulsion*). It won a national prize and influenced persons who should have known better.
 * I eliminated anything that looked non-factual or that did not satisfy our style requirements---e.g. paragraphs that read like an okay high-school essay---and left a stub. A stub is honest, and leaves room for future growth. The current mess is like kudzu.
 * Kiefer .Wolfowitz  20:30, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and made an edit and explained my actions on the article's talk page. Cheerio. :) Guyovski (talk) 20:46, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Guitar Man
Hiya K-Wolf—

How's your Swedish???

New purchase: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360406285364#ht_500wt_1052

I'll be disbinding and having this scanned over the next couple months. Then comes trying to get a few "hot" pieces translated...

—Tim //// Carrite (talk) 14:52, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hej Tim!
 * If you have a text file, then I can Google translate it and then clean up the howlers, of which there are many, as an act of friendship.
 * However, personal life becomes ever more happy, with two becoming one and soon becoming three, or two.... So you may have to yell at me to get my attention. Please use the real-life e-mail, to do so.
 * In solidarity, Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  15:01, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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Guitar tunings
Thank you for your help. Paolo.dL (talk) 20:35, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Dear Paolo.dL
 * I thought you made very good efforts, and I trust that your knowledge of music theory (especially guitar) exceeds mine, so I just made some minor changes, I trust. I think that I preserved all the content of your edits, and just changed the wording. Maybe the link to partial order was pedantic or overly mathematical, but the order of the notes does seem to be an intrinsic feature, so that the tunings are 6-tuples (rather than sets, for which {C,C,C,C,C}={C}): If they are defined as sets, the discussions of lefty tunings don't make sense. Well, expository writing is full of compromises! :)
 * Thanks for the harmonious editing on guitars, after we had clashed on optimization, because my zeal for Knuth's first pages was not shared!
 * Cheers, Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  21:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

The tritone tuning bedevils reviewers
The DYK nomination for * Template:Did you know nominations/Major thirds tuning and * Template:Did you know nominations/Augmented-fourths tuning still needs to be reviewed.

Thanks! Kiefer .Wolfowitz  17:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC) 16:09, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

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Re: RfA

 * I had thought we had agreed that our efforts were better directed elsewhere, and that we would not have RfAs.

I love this kind of humor. We need more of it. Viriditas (talk) 03:16, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I intended My76Strat and myself with my "we", and was serious.
 * However, I wrote ambiguously (before WTT's gloss), and so it is understandable that you and others read another intention---and I'm happy that you smiled.
 * Thanks for the message! Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  09:00, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
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Talkback
WilliamH (talk) 09:33, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

I am black on the left and white on the right, and he is black on the right and white on the left. Cannot you see that he is inferior!?!!

 * Rape in Pakistan

this is the guy who only wants to create anti pakistan sentiment take a look at his block log then you will see what hes trying to do compare that to his efforts to remove rape in jammu and kashmir article hes not bothered about women being raped in India etc his only aim is to spread wild claims he thinks throwing around these wild stats will make pakistan look bad and that particular source of 90% is a complete fallacy at best too bad he gets away with it 109.149.59.183 (talk) 19:35, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * As long as editors follow our policies and use reliable sources and write responsibly, they are welcome.
 * I would prefer not to read into the past of the editor, when there is a lot of work to do to stop that article from being inflicted on the world, in its present state.
 * It always pains me that two countries, the two brothers of Pakistan and India, share so much bitterness, when they share so much in every other way.
 * Kiefer .Wolfowitz  19:42, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * He is not Indian just to be clear he unfortunately suffers from a pakistanphobia he is from Leeds UK I live in England I know his game of pakistan bashing very well lived with it all my life its funny that know Indian editor is hell bent on pushing such a disgusting pov but another non indian person who has some personal issues with Pakistani migrants does I get along with indians just fine but not with bigots like him 109.149.59.183 (talk) 19:46, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * His motive of pushing that ridiculous figure into DYK is just another attempt to provoke pakistani editors on wikipedia its kind of like EDL English defence league members protesting in front of a mosque they want a reaction and I am very familair with his games though I will not react even though I could create a rape article on the british empire and afghanistan war etc hate begets hate 109.149.59.183 (talk) 19:50, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Let That Be Your Last Battlefield

One of my favorite Star Trek parables. Kiefer .Wolfowitz  19:57, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That IP is a sock of user:Nangparbat Darkness Shines (talk) 20:05, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I am uninterested in past history, as I mentioned above. Please do something productive. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  20:43, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Your misconduct with the Rape in Pakistan article was not isolated, and I am glad that you were blocked for 2 weeks for reckless POV pushing elsewhere, again targeting Pakistan.
 * I suggest that an administrator immediately propose that you be banned from any article or editing discussing Pakistan or Pakistanis (at ANI/AN).
 * We don't have time for this kind of bigotry against any state. (Do you think that any states don't have blood on their hands, or mass murders resolving border differences?) Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  13:40, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please don't be fast to judge. 1) There are two sides. 2) Please see:, and . JCAla (talk) 13:56, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I see his lawyer has turned up as expected now check all the bigoted trashy articles DS has created, [Rape in Pakistan] and trying to vandalise British pakistani page by pushing yet another attempt of using rape to brush the whole community other users have also picked up on his bigotry not just you and thankyou for being so honest and blunt against such obvious racism 109.145.243.63 (talk) 14:09, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I could also provide you more diffs of his bigoted articles but I think you know what DS is trying to do but if you need more examples of pakistanphobia just let me know 109.145.243.63 (talk) 14:12, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Above is long-time harasser of other editors, User:Nangparbat. JCAla (talk) 14:15, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Trying to smokescreen everything is your game as picked up by other admins not dealing with the issue is also a trait of yours and wiki lawyering for DS even though you know dam well he is wrong is another bad habit of yours taking into account your also of the same opinions JCAlas comment should not be taken to represent anything of truth of substance its just a big smokescreen 109.145.243.63 (talk) 14:24, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok I will not comment any more I am just happy that people are now noticing how much bigotry is being spread due to ethnic/racial bitterness and how badly wikipedia is suffering from these communal conflicts thanks for your time best wishes and good luck :) 109.145.243.63 (talk) 14:29, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Is....
Rape the same thing as intimate partner violence....? If you have any comments to spare, at Talk:Rape_in_Pakistan. Cheers,  Mar4d  ( talk ) 14:00, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Intimate partner could include anything from a woman getting in a man's face and touching him chest-to-chest, or a man pushing the woman back. All of these things are considered assault and battery in the US, and in many places any sign of such assaults must result in the male (or larger?) partner being arrested, with no police discretion allowed, in many places. A verbal threat is also grounds for immediate arrest in Sweden. Ann Arbor passed such laws in the 1980s, I think. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  14:21, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Major thirds tuning
Thanks from the DYK team. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Double sharp (talk) 08:33, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Why is thinking of a section title so dang hard sometimes?
Hey Kiefer, I just wanted to drop by and say a couple of things. First, I wanted it to be known that whether we agree or disagree, I always enjoy reading your comments and admire the thought that goes into them. I also thought I'd seek out a comment for you on User:Ryan Vesey/Michael David Crawford. It was deleted through AFD, but I requested userfication through WP:REFUND. A relevant discussion for that is User talk:MichaelCrawford. Honestly, in poor form on my part, in the 8 days since I responded to that editor, I have still not had a chance to read through his entire comments or even examine the article to its fullest extent. To be fair, I have had an exceptionally busy off-wiki life and a number of surprisingly time consuming issues on-wiki. I certainly plan to review the case more fully in the next few days, but I thought I'd ask you for thoughts since I was stopping by. My largest reasons for thinking notability are the appearance of Crawford's website as a source for mind.org.uk and "I was told by a Mental Health worker in 2004 or so that my fifty-page essay Living with Schizoaffective Disorder is on an official reading list that the State of California Mental Health Department distributes to its County Mental Health Clinics." The second statement would certainly need to be sourced. In any case, I hope you are doing well, Ryan Vesey Review me!  04:45, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I would delete this material to allow the subject privacy.
 * By our policies, we should ignore whether the author is the same as the account-editor submitting an apparent autobiography. If the account-editor were not the same person, I would judge it to be an invasive and unwarranted exposure of a vulnerable person, who should be afforded the full and strenuous protection of our privacy policies.
 * There is also the issue of the article being based on primary sources and having the appearance of POV pushing, in which inclusion in see-also sections of minor documents is being used to try to establish an appearance of notability.
 * For the first issues, I would delete everything and ask oversight to rev-delete everything (including this discussion).
 * For the POV/COI/Primary issues, really afterthoughts, I would still delete the article from user space. We should also have reminded the editor to avoid using "blow" unprofessionally.
 * Sincerely, Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  10:23, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Your title is a reminder that your are blending in with the natives during your summer internship.
 * How's the fishing? Any keepers?
 * Kiefer .Wolfowitz  19:50, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry Kiefer, I got a bit off track. I did some more research and found a CNN appearance, but I think you're correct.  Any attempt to create notability would be a stretch.  The person appears relatively significant, but not entirely notable.  I'll leave a note on the user's talk page to make sure he is aware and then request oversight after he replies, or in the next day or two if he doesn't.  I'll also have the information deleted from my userspace.  As for fishing, I've never been much of a fisherman, I haven't gone out since I reached an age where people expected me to take my own fish off the hook. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  20:01, 1 July 2012 (UTC)