User talk:Kieronoldham/Archive 34

Didn't mean to come across in a bad way, sorry
I am sorry if I came across in a haughty way as that was not my intention at all. Thank you for forgiving me. I hope that the pop bottle footage was helpful. Davidgoodheart (talk) 21:31, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Nothing to apologize for, Davidgoodheart. My fault too for my general mood. Regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 16:37, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That's a good image of a pop bottle that you added. Hopefully I will have my own private wikis soon that I can share with you as I can't stand all this deletion. Sorry you didn't get the job you were wanting, perhaps in the future you will find something that you will like. Davidgoodheart (talk) 17:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * As I say, there is nothing to apologize for. Although the title structure was not the wisest, I knew there was no ill-intent. I'll get another data analysis job going forward.--Kieronoldham (talk) 17:58, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I would like to say two things that might make you feel better as you may be down a bit right now. 1. Don't you think that that was a funny scene from that 1987 movie that I showed you, I know I do and I was glad that you could see it. 2. Even though there are many people who bring me down and upset me, you are not one of those people as you uplift me and make me feel good about myself, which I am thankful for. Davidgoodheart (talk) 06:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm fine, - was just temporarily frustrated at that setback. Assure yous I'm fine at the moment. Sorry to hear some may bring you down, but glad I can help in any way on here. Aye I recall that scene vaguely. Must have easily been twenty years since I saw that movie though. Keep in touch, --Kieronoldham (talk) 16:26, 16 February 2022 (UTC) (Ready, aim, FIRE!

{User:Kieronoldham/Userboxes/K.O.RHCP} Please add to this infobox the writing, this user is a huge fan of red hot chili peppers. Davidgoodheart (talk) 17:18, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Done, .--Kieronoldham (talk) 17:49, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Great job!! Please add sources and information to this article Murder of Kirsty Jones when you are able to. Davidgoodheart (talk) 20:38, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorted, .--Kieronoldham (talk) 21:33, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Please see if you can find some sources for this article here David Basset. Davidgoodheart (talk) 16:58, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Please add sources to entries on the List of kidnappings that don't have sources. I have been adding sources which has been a lot of work. Davidgoodheart (talk) 20:56, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Leaving a reminder to for you to see if you can add sources to the List of kidnappings. Davidgoodheart (talk) 17:30, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you think that you could make me an userbox saying this user is a big fan of the ghostbusters franchise? Also please let me know if you don't mind me making edits to your page without asking you, the reason for this is because I have been banned from AFD for 3 months for doing so and I need to let people know for absolute certain that I have been granted permission beforehand. It is much easier for me to leave a comment on your page by making a small edit to it, than to write a sentence and then leave my signature. Davidgoodheart (talk) 02:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Sure I'll create a Ghostbusters UBX in time,. Actual suggestions are welcome. As for edits to my page, I'd have to say the right to be informed is granted here, but personal processing and the right to refusal are here too.--Kieronoldham (talk) 02:40, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Edits to my talk page (general "new talk page topic") - you're fine, (obv. including no malignant intention which I'm sure is not the case). My user page I'd have to say no. Requests on my talk page, that is. Nothing personal. I am sure you'll agree. :)--Kieronoldham (talk) 02:56, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Ansell-Lamb and Mayo
Thanks for adding those photos on the Ansell-Lamb and Mayo murder page I created. Really adds to the article The Good Dante (talk) 00:39, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Read a reasonable amount of info. regarding both cases, .--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:43, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

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Great work, Kieronoldham!

 * Thanks, . A fascinating case indeed.--Kieronoldham (talk) 20:22, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Nilsen's autobiography
Is everything in the autobiography to be disregarded or discarded as invalid or not credible? Particularly various events following his imprisonment, such as his meeting Robert Maudsley or details regarding his death which was of course, not written by Nilsen.

--Edd Wesson (talk) 23:03, 26 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, autobiographies don't usually include the subject's death, do they? lol Martinevans123 (talk) 23:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I have tried adding sources like this myself in the past not long after I joined Wiki.,, and they have been reverted. If added (and allowed to remain and which sooner rather than later someone would remove), it is basically text giving someone (regardless of the topic of article) the chance to spill his own account of his life and becoming the equivalent of a very dubious autobiography. I have many reliable sources (printed alone) detailing Nilsen's life. It is quite obvious he was an insecure and insignificant self-deprecating man who knew how worthless he as and took desperate comfort in his pseud intellect as a means of feeling worthwhile.

If you read Coffey's book (and I recommend you do - please purchase it), his book refers repeatedly to the then-unpublished manuscript and the individuals who knew Nilsen in his army days etc. mocking his claims to have been disillusioned with the British Army following Bloody Sunday and stating - contrary to Nilsen's accounts - that he'd actually signed on for another period of service but because of a fight with a soldier he'd had a spurned love interest in, and his keeping a pet turtle named Napoleon XIV (and the hygiene issues this raised which caused ample friction), that following a final fight, Nilsen "was gone within the month". This contradicts Nilsen's accounts in his autobiography, which also conveniently refers to his victim-hood status and of course salacious recollections/accounts of boys masturbating on his stomach while resuscitating him at Inverallochy, his masturbating in a mortuary etc. It is basically an inferior individual trying to rewrite his entire life, in a way that suits and justifies him. Also, he never divulged much of these accounts in his supposed self-introspection in 1983 with Masters etc.

He also wrote fictional accounts of a serial killer named Sed Neslin (rewrite the anagram there), killing male and female hitchhikers along the motorways, while incarcerated. Don't know if that is included in History of a Drowning Boy.--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:39, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Dr Mark Pettigrew wrote the "Death" chapter, if I'm not mistaken, hahah. Perhaps I should have clarified that. I am aware of Nilsen's strange revisions of his life, though I felt them to be important in regard to his own thoughts at that time. I'm sure that could be debated as whether they were Nilsen's true feelings or thoughts at the time, anyhow. I am not bothered by the revert, though I was curious as to whether or not some aspects of the publication could be considered credible. At the very least, I will see if I can make contributions from "Death" or any known and indisputable happenings. I think it is safe to say that he endured some abuse at the hands of an adult as a boy, however, as his inclination toward paedophilia is clearly evidenced by the five-year-old girl incident and other writings regardless of their validity.

Regardless, I understand the view though I do not necessarily agree wholeheartedly on it; there is useful and specific information to be taken from it. I did see the bit about his quarrel with the comrade, yes; he does not allege that a boy masturbated over him, but admits in the autobiography that his drowning story was a mere fantasy he had after seeing a boy resuscitated. I suppose I will have to pick up Coffey's book next, then; it may please you to know that I have begun some communication with Alexis Skriloff regarding Bonin, also. I may find the date you seek, though it will take some time. And hahah, yes, I am aware of Neslin; it is not featured in the autobiography, though vivid descriptions of his murders and narcissism are apparent. I think it's rather funny, to be honest!--Edd Wesson (talk) 23:52, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Nilsen's abuse - if you can call it that - was a largely self-imposed solitude, even though his semi-rural origins cannot have helped too much. He never mentioned his grandfather supposedly being a "tepid paedophile" to Masters (holding his penis as he urinated). As one of the army colleagues said: "I have always been struck by how journalists and authors have always taken his accounts as truth. If I were you, I would take his accounts in that journal with a very large pinch of salt indeed." Actually, the supposed masturbation in the mortuary is also, if memory serves me correct, covered in Coffey's book and dismissed too, . With his rank, he had no authority to be in the mortuary (I'll reread this - not read the book for 2+years).--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:05, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Pages 135-136 of Coffey's book clarify the mortuary incident and his recollections; they don't chime with the accounts in Nilsen's autobiography. The fragments and instances of truth in his life (where actually vaguely founded on truth) were embellished for his own selective means. Really, he should have referred to The Boy Who Cried Wolf before expecting someone to find credibility in his "this time around" accounts.--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:19, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I have to finally add that if anything I have added from Coffey's book actually contradicts what is in History of a Drowning Boy (the then-unpublished manuscript of which he was provided full, free access too), that Nilsen changed the final draft content in his manuscript yet another time.--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:29, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I suppose you make a fair point, even with Masters' criticism of Betty Whyte under consideration. The mortuary masturbation incident is actually contradictory to H.O.A.D.B.'s explication of the incident; Nilsen does not masturbate, he merely fantasizes about the mortician having intercourse with the five-year-old girl, and has deep sexual arousal at viewing the girl's hand land on an eviscerated corpse of an older man. There are long, drawn-out fantasies as well that he had supposedly had, like one that followed his kidnapping by an Arab taxi driver. The Arab taxi driver is menacing and imposing, stating, "Oh, ma poor wee loon, I'm nae gaen ta hurt ye." In the middle of the dream, Nilsen clarifies that he has accrued an erection by that point; it is a bit amusing, but yeah, perhaps it was my mistake to waste time entertaining his writings. I've had my suspicions about Bonin, as he constantly wavered on whether he was abused, and family never mentions his abuse at the convent when he was 8, just the detention center when he was 10. Perhaps he added to his story a bit, in spite of the scars and other evidences gathered to show he was abused. He liked to lie to his victims about his father molesting him also, to make them "feel bad" before they died. Kind of a tangent I'm going on, but to conclude: I'll see if I can get around to that Coffey book. --Edd Wesson (talk) 23:36, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It is not a case of wasting time, . Had I not reverted it, someone else would have done so. Has happened to me several times over the years. His accounts are not only contradictory, but fanciful, selective, and convenient. He is an untrustworthy source. As for Bonin, there is enough documented evidence, and not just by authors but by experts such as Dr. Pincus, attesting to his repeated abuse.--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:50, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Randy Kraft
Hi Kieron

Apologies about the misunderstanding on Randys dates.

How come you take an interest in him?

Best regards

Patrick RandyFan1971 (talk) 21:47, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I take an interest in all true crime - cases from all over the world. I see Wiki. as an ongoing project. By the way, like the name you gave yourself. K. --Kieronoldham (talk) 22:14, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

How do I get involved or reply to discussions here
Thanks RandyFan1971 (talk) 23:01, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Add my page to your watchlist (click the star icon next to the view history tab at the top of your page if you're on a PC). I'll be notified as users' pages are automatically added to watchlists. You can notify editors to activity by pinging them using this template: (change the username to suit the editor. For example, if I want to notify you to any topic I'd add  ). Regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 23:34, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I’m still not clear on how to use this functionality
And I’m only really interested in Randy Kraft - how do we know he's still alive as of 2022 etc? Thanks RandyFan1971 (talk) 23:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That's fine. You could be interested in one topic or case if you wish to improve true crime, or if you are interested in topics as diverse as those held by Wiki. (Gucci to Siege of Leningrad to Amy Winehouse to double helix) you can contribute to the articles you are interested in, as long as guidelines are followed. When reliable sources (not a Twitter comment from a user, or Reddit, or a general blog) report he has passed away, Wiki. shall be updated. This link - Teahouse may help you, . Regards. :) --Kieronoldham (talk) 23:55, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I can’t even see how to reply in a chat without starting a new one
Thanks RandyFan1971 (talk) 23:42, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You just scroll down the page and just click edit next to the topic title you either created yourself, or you wish to reply to. --Kieronoldham (talk) 23:46, 28 February 2022 (UTC)