User talk:Kikichugirl/Archive 4

what would u have me do??
Hi, This is renesha the marketing head at DSK Green Ice Games.

I request that you not delete the DSK GIG page beacuse the text used here in NOT copyright. We have used the same text everywhere for uniform promotion.

The indieDB.com reference link has been updated by me and its the same text that was used.

Please DO NOT DELETE the page. Can someone from your team please connect with me urgently on this????

DSK GREEN ICE GAMES is the page is submitted the article for!

DSKGIG (talk) 08:00, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I've already said this, . Not only did you not read the notice at the top of my talk page about providing a link, you also need to read WP:COI and most importantly, WP:NOTADVERTISING. Wikipedia is not for promoting something, and really, really, REALLY hates being treated as such. Imagine if your house were turned into a billboard overnight for no reason. You would be pretty angry too. I think you're in the wrong place - you might be better off at a business directory. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 08:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

WHAT??

Dude are you crazy??

You're not even helping me.....merely posting links..... get ur basics right!!!! im not promoting nor advertising!! Im just creating a page for my brand - indiedb text was also posted by mean hence the similarity!

Is there anyone else APART from you who can maybe HELP!!!!

DSKGIG (talk) 08:07, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * , Instead of starting a new section, please reply under the previous section. I am trying to help you, but you are not listening. WP:ICANTHEARYOU isn't going to work. If you had read my edit notice, at the top of the page when you click edit, instead of blindly scrolling down to type, you would know that I cannot, and did not delete your page. If you are creating a page for your brand, you are going against conflict of interest which is strongly discouraged. It appears as if you are creating your page so other people know about your brand - that is what promotion is. Wikipedia is not for advertising and the fact that you used the same text on other sites to promote it shows that you are promoting something here. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 08:12, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not LinkedIn. It's not a business directory, nor is it a free space for someone to write advertisements. It is an encyclopedia. Think of it as a library of articles about general knowledge written in a neutral tone. Advertising on Wikipedia would be like placing banner ads all over your library. Now, we all know that is not allowed and is shameful advertising. It is probably not your intention and you may be unaware of the true purpose of Wikipedia, to do such a thing that is blatantly inappropriate and advertising at the wrong place. The fact that a business or organization exists is not grounds for having an article. Please see Wikipedia is not LinkedIn. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 08:20, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * There is no 'team', Wikipedia is edited by volunteers who want to build a free-content encyclopedia with neutral, unbiased content, that is free for anyone to use for any purpose whatsoever. You are quite misguided about copyright....anything that a person writes is copyrighted, and the text that employees of your company have written to promote it is under copyright (it belong to either the employee or the company), and CANNOT be used on Wikipedia unless it is 'explicitly' licensed under the Creative Commons license, with a formal authorization from someone able to make binding legal commitments. Even if that was done, text written by the subject of an article (or people with a direct connection to it) is still unsuitable content, as it you have a conflict of interest with the purpose of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an ENCYCLOPEDIA, not a marketing tool. Revent talk 08:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * No, we will not help you advertise on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not free adspace and using it as such is abuse of its service. Your rude behavior to us is unacceptable and is blockable. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 08:18, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

This is going ballistic! so the problem is with the "tone" of the article?? is that what you are suggesting? DSKGIG (talk) 08:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Your article (which is DSK Green Ice Games for the sake of others) it not even remotely formatted like a Wikipedia article, and references are 'independent, reliable sources' that support statements made in the text of the article, not promotional links that you hope people will click on. You have obviously not bothered to read any of the guidance given for new editors, and are not here for the purpose of 'building an encylopedia', but instead attempting to use Wikipedia for promotional purposes (and poorly). This tend to annoy people who volunteer their time to work on an encyclopedia. Having a Wikipedia article is not a promotional tool... we are not interested in what the 'marketing department' on a company has written about it, but instead in summarizing what reputable third parties have said about a subject. Having an article on Wikipedia will not help in your marketing. Really, it won't. You have a conflict of interest that is incompatible with the purpose of Wikipedia. Become notable, and someone else will write an article about you. You are better off not having an article (as it will be higher in search results than your own webpage) until you have become notable, as shown by you being written about by third parties. Wikipedia is NOT a marketing tool.  Revent talk 08:38, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Reviewing of page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kc0293/Sujok_Therapy
Dear Mam

Recently my article regarding "Sujok therapy" was marked under speedy deletion by you and has been deleted deleted.

I have created another article with link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kc0293/Sujok_Therapy

Can you please kindly suggest me the changes that have to be applied to this article so as it doesn't get deleted again.

I will be really thankful to you for this

Smile RegardsKc0293 (talk) 08:33, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi,, and thank you for providing a link to the article in question. You can also provide a link by putting brackets ( and  around the page's title. You can call me Kiki, not ma'am, I'm not that old!  Specifically, the article was recommended for deletion because it didn't seem to fit into the guidelines on what Wikipedia is not. It was also written like an advertisement. Articles should be written in a neutral point of view and analyze the facts in a dry manner. I'd recommend going through WP:AfC with that, so that other people can guide you through the process. To submit an article at Articles for Creation for review, type  at the top of the page and click the [Save page] button. If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, the IRC channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. &mdash;  kikichugirl  speak up! 08:40, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Smile Thanks for your Guidance and Support.Kc0293 (talk) 08:50, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Draft: Andrew Robert Taylor (Drug Smuggler)
Did you read my note on the talk page before declining the CSD on Draft: Andrew Robert Taylor (Drug Smuggler)? This article is an exact duplicate of David McMillan (smuggler), you can even tell that it is a bad find-and-replace job by the places in the draft where half of the paragraph says "Taylor" and the other half says "McMillian". We don't know who "Andrew Robert Taylor" is. It could be the page author, in which case I assume the draft is a test page. It could be someone else, which would make the draft a personal attack, calling someone an escaped felon. Please look over the draft carefully and reconsider the situation. Thanks. Altamel (talk) 15:12, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , if you're going to mark what appears to be (on the surface) a perfectly normal draft as a "test page" you should add a comment underneath the CSD as to why you did so. I know that I (and a few other reviewers) would have removed that CSD due to the oddity of it. You are welcome to re-CSD the page, though; it's not like a declined draft is immune You appear to be correct, though I've tagged it G10 and G12 since they are more applicable. Primefac (talk) 15:30, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Guidance for the page "Sujok Therapy"
Kc0293 (talk) 08:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Respected mam

You just marked one of the page ie "Sujok Therapy" under quick deletion. Please kindly guide me on what not to write on wiki page.

I will be really thankful to you for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kc0293 (talk • contribs) 07:50, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see the links in the welcome message on your talk page. Cheers, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply ) 22:54, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Kimberly Goldson article
Hi Kikichugirl,

I recently submitted an article for fashion designer Kimberly Goldson. You rejected it stating that it wasn't written in a formal tone. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Kimberly_Goldson&diff=next&oldid=647785432 I am writing to see how I can improve the article so that it can be approved. I cited good sources - NY Post, Essence Magazine, Huffington Post, etc.

Thanks in advance, Shelly ShellyBK (talk) 22:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , phrases like "Luxurious textiles in classic shapes with a nod to current trends are at the center of the brand" are very promotional, and do not hold the professional tone of an encyclopedia. Essentially, all flowery language and weasel words need to be removed. Wikipedia should be, as they say, "just the facts." If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, the IRC channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 00:44, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Your advice on my first article
Hi Kikichugirl,

I am new to the Wikipedia community but have been editing some pages and adding updates to others so I can learn. I also recently attempted to write my first article, which you reviewed. After getting your helpful comments and doing more research, I completely rewrote it in the hopes that it meets Wikipedia's standards better. It's about a media company that has been in the news due to its ties to Ashton Kutcher and viral media content. I conducted more research, found more sources, and rewrote it to be more neutral, and I would love to get your thoughts on the article before I submit it again! It's currently residing in my sandbox at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chief8/sandbox

I look forward to hearing what you think! Chief8 (talk) 20:27, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Your draft is a little bit on the flowery side, but otherwise, it's better than a lot of the drafts lately. I'd recommend submitting it for review now, so that fellow volunteers can take a look (and that you'll get an opinion from someone other than me). There's no harm in being declined several times - asking for a review before a review doesn't really change much, in my opinion. Keep up the good work! &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 09:11, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Benjamin Milliken revised
I sent you the updated page with references page numbers etc provided Upper Canada was a small society the 1837 rebellion was one of the most important fights in English Canada's history This man was important in that dispute and the society rewarded him for his military service with a justice of the peace an important role in colonial Upper Canada He is documented in more than 3 books that are available text on line He has an historical structure named after him that was designated by the provincial government 130 years after his death Can you assist me for the rejection Unionville — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unionville (talk • contribs) 21:58, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I am unable to help you if you do not provide any sort of link to the article. Best, &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 09:12, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

TINA article edited
Draft:TINA (program) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:TINA_(program)

Dear Kikchugirl

Thanks for reviewing my article. I tried to improve the wording, substantially abbreviated the history and documented by references. I have also added more references to the text. Note that although most references I listed are well known and independent sources for a few newer features (e.g. HDL) of the program I could not find independent references so I referred to TINA website [11]. I found a similar solution at other software for example ORCAD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OrCAD If this is not acceptable I can edit the related 2nd paragraph and limit to features mentioned in independent references.

Could you look at the revised draft and tell if it is good enough to Resubmit?

I look forward to your reply and suggestions if more changes are needed.

Best regards

Tengelic

--Tengelic (talk) 23:12, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, . I've looked at your article and while it doesn't seem to look as bad as it used to be, there's definitely some room for improvement. Specifically, don't use infobox - find a more specific infobox template would definitely be better (see infobox software. More reliable sources couldn't really hurt either, to expand the article now that is a little short on the context side. Good luck! &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 09:17, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

10:15:22, 19 February 2015 review of submission by LPFairley
First, thank you for reviewing the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Europa_Donna_%E2%80%93_The_European_Breast_Cancer_Coalition. I am interested in making any adjustments required for resubmission so that it can be accepted for publication, but would appreciate some more specific feedback on what to change. Is there a particular section that sounds like advertising? The references in the article contain well-recognized outside sources (eg, the European Commission, World Health Organisation, European Journal of Cancer) and do not include links from the subject of the article itself. The entry is very similar to that for other non-profit breast cancer organisations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast_Cancer_Care; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_G._Komen_for_the_Cure), and Europa Donna (The European Breast Cancer Coalition) in comparison to many of them is a much larger organization. I would gladly make any changes, but want them to be the right ones so as not to take up more of your time. LPFairley (talk) 10:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

LPFairley (talk) 10:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, . The thing with it is that it reads too much non-neutrally like it's promoting a cause. Entries should be written in a formal, encyclopedic tone; dryly, pretty much. Avoid flowery language or language that would imply you are soapboxing. Additionally, for examples of actually good articles to follow, take a look at some WP:FAs. Generally the existence of other articles, while may set a precedent, does not necessarily mean yours is also suitable - see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. (We didn't catch all the bad people yet - being a bad person must be okay! ) &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 09:27, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

ja right
That is why i will not give another cent to wikipedia - wikipedia is a law unto themselves. The person is note worthy, why dont you look it up and add the info? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dunavista (talk • contribs) 06:53, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I hope you've read everything I said, because 1) you would have put a link to your article and 2) you would have signed your post. If you think the person is noteworthy, then prove it - you want the article to be on Wikipedia, not me. One source only proves that the person exists, not that the person is important. See WP:BURDEN. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 06:58, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * if this is Draft:Jennifer Borg, I see no reason why this person would conceivably be notable enough for an article in WP  DGG ( talk ) 03:07, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 *  DGG sorry and you are who? who asked for your opinion.  How many Doctors of law do you know?  If you had bothered to to see who her father is, do you think she may be an Heir to a multi billion dollar corp - cast your eyes onto  North Jersey Media Group.
 * kikichugirl  I dont want her on WP, WP wants her on WP.  How is it up to you to decide?  If you have WP at heart you would find info on her in the INTERESTS of WP.  If you have foresight other than the reject button, you will understand who this lady is.  So what you saying is a doctor of law is not noteworthy?  Jimmy Wales might just know her.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dunavista (talk • contribs) 09:35, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , you're not doing yourself any favours by being uncivil. First off, notability is not inherited, so it does not matter who is her father (or if she knows Jimmy); she must be notable of her own right. Second, you have given no indication of what makes her notable; other than being the chief legal council for a company her family owns what has she done? What media sources have written about how amazing she is? If you cannot answer these questions (on the draft, not here; this is not a space to argue), then she does not meet the criteria for inclusion. Find some more sources and flesh out the draft, don't complain about Wikipedia's own rules to three people who know them well. Primefac (talk) 10:53, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

11:08:16, 21 February 2015 review of submission by Michaelemmi
Hello, I am an employee of the IMDEA Software Institute tasked with creating the institute’s rejected Wikipedia page. This draft

User:Michaelemmi/IMDEA Software Institute

has been rejected for the seemingly-generic reason that it does not appear to be “written as an encyclopaedia article”.

I am writing to figure out whether there was a specific piece of text that does not adhere with Wikipedia’s requirements, and which has caused this draft to be rejected. Can you please point me to any offending text inside the article?

As far as I can tell, we have written only objective facts, and provided an adequate number of eternal links and references. In addition, this draft closely resembles a currently-published Wikipedia page for another institute under the same governing body:

IMDEA Networks Institute

Does that article also violate Wikipedia standards?

Any feedback you can give to justify this rejection would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards, M

Michaelemmi (talk) 11:08, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , just going to point out a few things: first (and foremost) if you are working on these pages as part of your job, you need to put the paid template on your userpage in order to comply with the terms of use regarding paid editing. Second, the Networks Institute article is not the best (bordering on unacceptable), but OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and you should not use one article to justify another. Third, your draft currently has a small issue with CITEKILL, so some of the references should be removed or used in other places. None of these had any direct impact on why kikichugirl declined your draft, but you should definitely improve these before you resubmit. Primefac (talk) 11:21, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Seconded. The work you do is simply amazing. --L235 (t / c / ping in reply ) 23:17, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Request on 14:42:23, 11 February 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Telletech
Hi Kikichugirl, thank you for reviewing my page a few days ago. Before I edit my draft and resubmit, I just wanted some clarification on exactly what I need to change for it to sound less like an advertisement. I'm thinking of removing all links directly to the company's website, removing the awards section and removing all adjectives. Is that enough to get it approved, or is there something else I need to change? Thanks again for your help, and I'm looking forward to your feedback. Telletech (talk) 14:42, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Telletech (talk) 14:42, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, could you provide a link to the draft? I've reviewed many drafts lately. Thanks! &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 04:29, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, the link to the draft is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CentriLogic. I've gone ahead and made changes to it removing what I felt sounded too much like an advertisement. Please let me know if you have any other suggestions. Thanks! Telletech (talk) 17:03, 17 February 2015 (UTC


 * Draft:CentriLogic still reads like an advertisement. Specifically, it shouldn't have the list of products be the focus of the article. It also relies too heavily on primary sources when it should rely on reliable third-party sources that are independent of the subject - specifically, news mentions or the like from someone other than the company's website or someone involved with the company. Good luck! If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, the IRC channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 03:06, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Talkback
Note: the Thorlabs article has been restored (by another user). N ORTH A MERICA 1000 17:49, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Bompeh Senior High Technical School
I notice that you deleted this as G-11. Obviously I've got no idea what the content was, but it's clearly about a high school, and high schools are considered notable. It was also an article sarted by a new editor. Couldn't you have stripped out any promotional text and left a bare stub on the lines of "... is a high school in Ghana", advising the editor on how to continue from there? Especially as they had created it as a draft, rather than in article space, it seems unduly harsh and WP:BITEy to delete the whole article like that. Pam D  13:35, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * (I didn't delete it... I'm not an admin...) As an AfC reviewer, I default to declining, not deleting, promotional drafts. While I don't exactly remember the actual content of this, it must have been sufficiently promotional enough to choose deletion over declining. Perhaps deletion review would be the venue here. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 18:11, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd got confused by the fact that you'd CSD'd it so it was your message on the user's talk page. I still don't see why you (and the deleting admin) couldn't have left it as a stripped-down stub, more positive for that new editor than deleting. But I see she's already had it turned down at Requests_for_undeletion, so I've left what i hope is a helpful message on her talk page. Pam  D  18:48, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Your feedback
Hi, thanks for your feedback,I hope I'm doing this correctly by posting this on your talk page. I appreciate you being more specific in your feedback. I am new to wikipedia and we had to post for an assignment. Although I searched, I didn't delve as deep into Myer's Briggs as with personality and learning styles which there isn't as much on personality types and learning so I thought I was okay. I'm not sure how to fix what I've written but at least I know I have duplicate. Thanks again.

Smartiecatt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smartiecatt (talk • contribs) 00:06, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, . You forgot to sign your comment (my edit notice at the top of the edit screen does teach you how though...) but otherwise yes my talk page works. I am also a fan of MBTI myself but we already have articles on them - we even have an article on INTJ, ENFP, ESTP, etc for each of the combinations. As such, your post was extraneous. Perhaps your professor should take a look at WP:Education program so that your assignment is better benefitting the encyclopedia. (Maybe has something to add about the education program?) Good luck! &mdash;  kikichugirl  speak up! 01:57, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

06:29:45, 21 February 2015 review of submission by JennaSys
Hi, I'm hoping to get some clarification on what context needs to be added for Draft:Vocademy. Based on WP:PCR, is it just providing short clarifications of lesser known terms like describing what a makerspace or Maker Faire is? Or is it about providing more general information about this specific subject? Thanks! JennaSys (talk) 06:29, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , I believe the reason kikichugirl declined this draft as "not having context" is because it is rather disjointed (at least, that's why I would decline it as such). You have some really good references, but the body of the draft just contains five seemingly random sentences that don't really go together. I know it's really difficult to write a piece about a business without sounding overly promotional, but I think with the sources you have it should be doable. In particular, I think discussing what Vocademy actually does would be helpful (there are a lot of things you could categorize as a makerspace, what makes this one special/different/etc?). If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, the IRC channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Good luck! Primefac (talk) 11:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give it another go and then try the Teahouse to have someone look it over before submitting for review again.JennaSys (talk) 08:15, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Jay H. Shidler Article
Aloha Kikichugirl!

Our submission article for Jay H. Shidler got denied. We are working on fixing references to Shidler regarding "well-known national leader" and such. Are there any further recommendations for us so the article can get approved. This is our first Wikipedia entry and are still learning.

Hope to hear from you soon! Mahalo!Shere'e Young 01:07, 19 February 2015 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayshidler (talk • contribs)
 * Pinging for sysop attention: "Our" submission? Are you aware that it is against Wikipedia policy to allow different people ever to edit using the same Wikipedia account, and that you must disclose if you are editing Wikipedia as part of your job? Cheers, --L235 (t / c /  ping in reply ) 22:51, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion. I am trying to submit this article about Jay H. Shidler and have opened an account under his name since I thought that is how you start submitting articles to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, I was wrong. Now, I apologize for writing "Our" submission as it is just myself trying to get something posted. That is it. There was no intention of anything else. Now, I am asking, after I fix the information and references that sound like advertisements, is there anything else you recommend I fix to get this submission approved?Shere'e Young 03:35, 21 February 2015 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayshidler (talk • contribs)
 * Then I'd recommend getting your username changed at WP:CHU/S. If you ain't him, you shouldn't "look" like him, in a sense, I guess. As for Draft:Jay H. Shidler, feel free to come back after you think you've made all of your improvements and I'll let you know what else I think should be done. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 09:03, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Seeking advice for a page you declined
After placing more references to legitimize the page and editing the content I was hoping to seek your advice on a page you recently declined. The link to the page is here:

Draft:WompMobile

I was wondering what parts sound too much like an advertisement and what I could change specifically to sound more neutral or if it's the entire article? To help guide the structure to make it sound less like an advertisement during last couple edits, I looked at other businesses within the industry that has a Wikipedia page as a reference, such as Mobify's page. Thank you for reviewing my article promptly I appreciate the effort and time!

Leungal (talk) 19:36, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The main reason why the article leans toward advertisement right now is the awards section. For examples of good articles you could emulate, try looking at some Featured articles. Generally, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not considered to be valid, since Wikipedia is a work-in-progress. Some articles need to be deleted. Some are excellent. Most, however, need to be significantly improved before reaching the featured level. Good luck! &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 09:13, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Notability for conductors?
Thank you for your feedback regarding Draft:Einar Ralf.

I couldn't find anything on conductors on Notability (music). Does that mean that conductors are never notable? Or is there some other page I should be reading? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.13.237.34 (talk) 07:12, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi IP, conductors follow the same guidelines of WP:GNG and WP:BIO as everyone else. There hasn't been a specific set of rules for conductors added to the Music notability because there probably aren't that many who have had articles on Wikipedia. That being said, your draft should contain references from multiple independent reliable sources that discuss Ralf. I see there's a Swedish version, you might want to bring some of that information (along with the references) into the English version. If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, the IRC channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 09:25, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Manufacture Able Fuels
My first bumbling with Wikipedia is progressing well and thank you for your critique! Notability of a new concept is difficult and my topic is exploratory. My explorations have met with typical hesitancy (anticipated)-the concept of MAF runs headlong into "Why should I make fuel just to burn it up when I can get all I want for cheap?" Flawed Human thought! Referencing anything that has never been commercialized before is impossible at my level of naïveté with Wikipedia. Direction? Maybe WikiProjects is more pragmatic. At this point, my concept of MAF needs understanding as well as collaboration.Wlthrpr (talk) 13:02, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , if MAF has never been commercialised and there are no references then it will be impossible for it to have an article on Wikipedia. It has nothing to do with what MAF is or how it is perceived by others. If you can find some sources that discuss MAF there is a possibility of your draft being accepted. If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, the IRC channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 13:12, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Marié Digby
Hi Kikichugirl, Perhaps you could tell me why you don't want me to add the charitable involvement of Marie Digby on her Wikipedia page? I am a first time editor and if I had done the formatting incorrectly, would you kindly fix it for me? Here is what I would like to add:

In the summer of 2014, Digby visited the Academy of Music for the Blind (AMB), a non-profit organization in Los Angeles dedicated to providing comprehensive music education to talented blind students ages 4-19. She supported the students in their Summer Recital and guest performed with some of our students. She has been an AMB Friend ever since and has donated her talents for their fundraising events and help raise awareness for the blind community via social media.

I have her direct permission to add this fact onto her Wikipedia page and would like the public to know about her good works through her music. I do appreciate your help in this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teohsoonjin (talk • contribs) 20:10, 24 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Allow me to be blunt: that's exactly why I removed it. The text has some important issues that you should consider: First, it has absolutely no sources or anything to back it up. It's also promotional. Your first version, the one that I removed, even had a "Click here to learn more" type link, which isn't allowed - see WP:ELPOINTS. Wikipedia isn't a place to talk about how awesome someone is. While you may "have her direct permission" to add this text, you don't own the page, she doesn't own the page, and you don't need her permission - you need the Wikipedia community's consensus. And since you didn't provide a source or two, nobody knows if you're lying or not. You could be spreading lies. Do you see what I mean? Wikipedia has to deal very carefully with libel concerns or we all could get sued. Also, Wikipedia is not a soapbox. It is not a place to promote your (however worthy) cause. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. I'm really sorry if this is harsh, but I thought it would be better to be blunt and clear off the bat. If you want to add this information, find a reliable source that says this is true (and simultaneously saying why we care), back it up, and then add it. Also, you should probably tone it down so that it's more of a dry encyclopedic tone. Good luck! If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, the IRC channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 21:14, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Review of submission by Rudy2alan
This is meant to be a friendly question - really! In regards to my submission User:Rudy2alan/XEOY-AM, I was just wondering if the standards have changed for radio stations, because I am able to find many, many pages (on wikipedia) on radio stations which have much less information and some with fewer (or no) references or links compared to what I submitted for my submission.Rudy2alan 13:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, . First, to sign your post, instead of typing a time, type four tildes: . To answer your question, Wikipedia is a work in progress; as such, there will be many articles on Wikipedia that have not been sufficiently improved, as well as poorly-written articles that need to be deleted. Generally, we do not use the existence of other articles to argue for the validity of another. This is called OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. All articles on WIkipedia are graded by quality, and the highest rating is Featured-class. Featured articles, which can be found here, are what you should be looking at if you are looking for articles to imitate. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 17:04, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing my draft! I was hoping for some clarification
Hello! Thanks for reviewing my page today! I was hoping to get an example article style that I could use to write a better submission. This is the link to my draft page for your reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Workpop

I was using the following post as a guide as they are a similar business to the one I was writing about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZipRecruiter

If you could provide me an example with a better tone etc. of a business I will be sure to update and make sure I'm adding quality content!

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.251.80.250 (talk) 02:42, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, IP. Thank you for your submission, however, keep in mind that Wikipedia is a work in progress; as such, there will be many articles on Wikipedia that have not been sufficiently improved, as well as poorly-written articles that need to be deleted. Generally, we do not use the existence of other articles to argue for the validity of another. This is called OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. All articles on WIkipedia are graded by quality, and the highest rating is Featured-class. Featured articles, which can be found here, are what you should be looking at if you are looking for articles to imitate. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 17:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Draft: Somerset Trust Company
Hi Kikichugirl,

I recently submitted a draft for my bank, Somerset Trust Company, and you rejected it because it sounded too much like advertising. I was wondering if you could help me fix this. I thought I entered in just facts that could be found out anywhere about the bank. I didn't think a history of the bank could be advertising, is it perhaps the community service? I thought they were important from a neutral perspective because of the contributions to 9/11 and the restoration of a train station on the National Historical Register, which already has a Wikipedia page.

Could you please help me fix this? I would really like to get my bank a page, especially when I see many other banks have pages.

Thank you for your help!

Jmorange (talk) 13:20, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * , I've looked at you new version. Teharticle still contains such statements as " This community-oriented mentality enables the bank .... to promote growth and prosperity for both Somerset Trust and the community it serves." and ''  This decision stands as an example of Somerset Trust’s financial integrity and soundness." . This sort of writing is pure advertisement and does not belong in an encycopedia. The material  for some minor community initiatives e.g.. " Somerset Trust hosted the gathering in one of their historic buildings" -- and contributed the trivial sum of $50,000, which hardly justifies calling it  "an important role in post-September 11, 2001 efforts".
 * We discourage people writing about their own businesses--it is extremely difficult to escape the WP:Conflict of Interest. If your bank is notable, someone else will write an article about it.  DGG ( talk ) 03:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * , I'm sorry, but I don't work for the bank...I keep my money there. I am writing a page about it because I believe the bank I belong to deserves one. You say $50,000 is trivial, but that is your subjective opinion. I modeled my page after many banks that already have pages. I have also looked at banks that are half the size of Somerset Trust Company and have Wikipedia pages, such as Citizens National Bank (Eastern Kentucky) . I am looking here for help writing an article because I believe it deserves a page on Wikipedia. Many people believe the bank is significant, and to set any monetary number and say it's "significant" is arbitrary. As far as the "community initiatives" section goes, I looked at PNC's page and they have a community initiatives page. I am not using it for advertising in the slightest, rather I am using it to show the national notability of the bank. Flight 93 crashed in Somerset, Pennsylvania, and although $50,000 might seem like pocket change to someone living in New York, if you look at the cost of living in Western PA, specifically Somerset County, where the crash occurred, it is one of the lowest costs of living in the nation. Perhaps if I change it from playing an "important role in post-September 11, 2001 efforts," to post-Flight 93 recovery efforts?" The Flight 93 National Memorial could not have been built without Somerset Trust. I do appreciate your help, but I didn't come here to be told I couldn't write the article. I came here to get help on how to write the article. You are more than welcome to edit it, and please help. I do not believe by simply belonging to the financial institution it disqualifies me from writing an article for Wikipedia on it. I am looking for help. Citizens National Bank (Eastern Kentucky) has a Section called "Donations" in which one bullet point says, notes a $50,000 donation to a college. My question for you is how can you distinguish between my page, and Citizens National Bank. It would seem to me if I am using my community initiatives for advertising citizens national bank, and all small financial institutions on Wikipedia, are simply using it for advertising. Again, I thank you for your help. I do not mean to seem rude in writing this response, but this whole process has been very frustrating when I cannot even use examples of other Wikipedia pages similar to model Somerset Trust Company after. Please, I really would like help on getting this article on Wikipedia. If you could please help me do that, I would really appreciate it. Thank you again. Jmorange (talk) 13:31, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * While it is good to model your page after other existing pages,, because they provide examples of how to use Wikipedia, not all pages are good; some need to be deleted or copyedited. WIkipedia is a work in progress. For examples of good articles, see Featured articles. These articles have obtained the highest ratings for quality on the encyclopedia. Generally, the fact that OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not considered to be a valid argument here. Your best bet would be to remove all WP:FLOWERY language so that your article becomes a dry article of facts, instead of how awesome it is, or just how much it's done for everyone. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 09:10, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help, I am really trying to just a page approved for Somerset Trust company. I will go through and remove all flowery language. I can see just from your talk page how busy you are, and I appreciate you taking the time for guidance. Is there a way you can possibly work with me to get an approval? I would really like to be able to say I created a Wikipedia page. I really don't think the page is too far away from being complete, but correct me if I'm wrong. If you would be open to doing any of the edits yourself, that would really help. Thank you again. Jmorange (talk) 13:53, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There are still far too many external links in the article, . Links within Wikipedia itself should go in a "See also" section, or as internal links in the article. Irrelevant external links should be removed; others could be turned into references. As for the tone, see WP:FLOWERY. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 18:51, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Nepali Art Scene
Hello Kikichugirl,

I recently added an article on Tej Bahadur Chitrakar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nepali.art.research/sandbox. I have included references which indicated his contributions to Nepalese Art scenario. Including link to Published book  and articles. These are secondary sources as required and not something I wrote or related to the person in question.

I do not understand why you thought it otherwise. Anyone interested in Nepalese Art certainly wants to refer who Tej Bahadur Chitrakar is. Please elaborate what factors needed to be placed; and why do you think it is not significant to the encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nepali.art.research (talk • contribs) 02:43, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The article has since been accepted, congratulations. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 18:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

18:04:09, 20 February 2015 review of submission by Nadya Inoubli
Hi ! Thank you for your feedback on my draft. I would very much appreciate if you could have a look at it one more time before I resubmit it for review. Thank you very much!

Nadya Inoubli (talk) 18:04, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Resolved- article has been accepted. Congratulations. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 18:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Kalika Yap
Hi Kichigurl, I noticed you have included the article on Kalika Yap on the list for possible deletions as shown here Articles_for_deletion/Kalika_Yap

Based on the rewrite and new notability below, would you be willing to post on that page to get the nomination for deletion removed?

Kalika Yap has just been featured as part of global fashion brand BCBG's New Guard campaign featuring "the county's most interesting women." Please see https://vimeo.com/120082676 and http://www.bcbg.com/Online-Magazine-February-2015/magazine-2015-02,default,pg.html (pages 30-35) out this month as reference. Kalika is featured along with Kiva founder Jessica Jackley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Jackley), TechCrunch co-editor Alexia Tsotsis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexia_Tsotsis), and CBS journalist Alison Harmelin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alison_Harmelin). Rex Freiberger (talk) 18:44, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , kikichugirl did not nominate the page for deletion, and you have already posted on the AfD notice about your justification for keeping the article. While you are waiting for the AfD to close, feel free to improve the page (which will improve its chances of not being deleted). Primefac (talk) 20:10, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I only did deletion sorting, which means I am not allowed to !vote either way on them. Also, it seems like your going to my talk page and asking me to vote in your favor may violate WP:CANVASSING policy. Wait for the deletion discussion to finish - if it is deleted, then it is deleted. It is not in my hands. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 21:48, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I have resubmitted the article of Oded Kafri
Hi there,

You will see I have now added news coverage from both AOL.com and a news iten from NDR. The NDR is on youtube now, as they don't keep broadcasts on their website for very long. The argument that we can make anything up from Youtube videos is not quite correct. We have included for example a video of Oded Kafri playing with Beardyman Live and you can clearly see Beardyman and him on stage together! Anyway, I would suggest that now we include actual news stories, along with all other information, it should be accepted.

Please let us know.

Best wishes

B — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brettleboff (talk • contribs) 13:14, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Link at Draft:Oded Kafri - the edit notice says to provide a link... Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. When posting on another person's talk page, please be sure to read the notice at the top of the edit window, and sign your post. I am concerned as to who you mean when you say "we". You are only allowed one person per account, and one account per person. Sharing accounts is grounds for immediate blocking. If there is more than one person editing from your account, you must cease this behavior and create one account for each person. As for your question, Youtube is still not a reliable source because you can put anything there if you wanted. Sure, you can prove he exists with a youtube link, but that would better belong in an External Links section, not as references. External links should not go anywhere in the body, either - see WP:ELPOINTS. Your article is also quite promotional. Remove all of your flowery peacock language, read all of the relevant policies linked here and in your decline notice, and then maybe we can take a look at whether or not Kafri is notable, because Youtube and Facebook sure do not demonstrate notability. &mdash;  kikichugirl  speak up! 21:58, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

06:46:12, 24 February 2015 review of submission by Nimantharaj
Nimantharaj (talk) 06:46, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I have written the above article with all reliable sources and following the style of several similar pages published in Wikipedia (even having very similar references). May I kindly get some examples from my article for the reviewers comments (below mentioned) so that I can objectively improve the article. Thanks for your efforts.

1. Unreliable sources 2. Peacock terms
 * Nimantharaj, it still reads like an essay. Take a look at WP:FLOWERY, WP:NPOV, and continue removing puffery. Also, external links should not be in the body of the article, but rather as references or as relevant external links in a dedicated external links section - see this. Your article also currently has no lead, but I suppose your first section could work as one, and the others would be level2 sections. Good luck! If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, the IRC channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance.

Near field communications reverts
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Near_field_communication&oldid=648810586

You have reverted all of my recent changes using WP:NPOV as the reason. While I understand that the document added to the further reading section could be considered in violation of this policy, I do not agree the HP reference added in the 'Deployment' section is a violation as it directly refers to a press release from HP about their use of NFC in their product. I believe this is a very clear example of the use of NFC and strongly supports better understanding of NFC in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfolkens (talk • contribs) 13:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)‎
 * It's referring to a press release, which is exactly why it's especially likely to be promotional and NPOV. If you want to tone it down to more neutral tone, feel free to re-add it. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 22:18, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

08:18:47, 24 February 2015 review of submission by Gemigem
re=review please! apologies for any errors. have edited, re-edited and amended all the links! hope it's ok now. not intended to be a cv at all - this author is always on TV commenting on brand positioning and has written 25 Chartered Institute Courses which are referenced across wiki. :-) Gemigem (talk) 08:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Gemigem (talk) 08:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi,, while told you to fix the Citekill, it doesn't mean to delete all of the references. All except one of the sections are now completely unreferenced. Please be sure to use inline citations to cite them, but not too many that it becomes overkill. Also, some of your referencing templates are broken. I also see that there's already an article about this guy in mainspace. You might want to take a look at the deletion discussion to see how you can improve yours in contrast. The reason why you patiently wait for your review is so that the delete doesn't happen. Keep improving your draft, and then maybe it won't get deleted. If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, the IRC channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance.

Rejected revision
Hello,

I edited the Mark of the Dog Rose Wikipedia page, specifically a cast name change from 'Mark- Anthony DiBartolomeo' to 'Mark- Anthony Jon'. I just wanted to know why this was rejected? The film are not completed with the film for (festival) submissions, and the name is credited as 'Anthony Jon'. How can this be corrected?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_of_the_Dog_Rose — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonyjon1026 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Your username is Anthony Jon, are you Anthony Jon? Either answer to that question isn't really good - you would be violating either WP:Conflict of interest or the username policy. If you want to re-add it, feel free to do so as long as you provide a reliable source. Prove it, so to speak. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 01:49, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Sports-Based Youth Development
Hello, My colleagues and I are working on a new page for Sports Based Youth Development: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sports-Based_Youth_Development

We were hoping to get a little more feedback on what direction we need to take the article in order to be approved. For example, should we not include research that supports the benefits of SBYD at all?

thanks, Lauren — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.201.217.53 (talk) 17:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi IP, if you are affiliated with Sports-Based Youth Development, you probably shouldn't be writing about it per WP:COI. As for what you need to do, all the information is on the decline template. Read each of the links, as well as the comment from the other reviewer, and address those concerns first before resubmitting. If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, the IRC channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance.

Supernaut album
Hello there! I'm not upset about the rejection, but I just want to make sure that you're right about discogs not being reliable source. I was once told by Primefac on my rejected Twenty Flight Rockers article that it was okay. The user said, and I'm just quoting, 'AllMusic, discogs, and 45cat are acceptable sources, but they do not demonstrate notability.' While I can understand "notability," I'm still confused about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.15.69.36 (talk) 19:39, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * They can only really be used to prove that the album exists. Try including more sources other than discogs. Information on notability can be found at WP:SIGCOV and WP:42. Good luck! If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, the IRC channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance.

Request for your help with Draft: Coho Data (so that you don't have to look at the darn thing for a third time, I hope)
Hi Kikichugirl, you've already looked at my article twice (along with a couple of other editors), and I have even talked to someone over live chat to get direct guidance. Can I get some more specifics on what I should change to make my article more neutral? Here is the link (Draft:Coho Data). I hope that shows up correctly... Thanks so much. Cdunnhartman (talk) 05:05, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, Cdunnhartman. The article reads like an advertisement, because it's lauding the company's many benefits. That isn't unacceptable as long as you say "According to ..., Company is ...". "" for example doesn't provide enough context. Okay? Why do we care? The technology section, moreover, is not neutral enough. "" reads like an advertisement - a competitor could easily say the stuff is not high performance, is not designed that way, for example. Rather, one could say how it is high performance and how it was designed. I hope that helps. Please feel free to come back to the live chat if you have any more questions, too. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 20:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Request on 11:04:25, 26 February 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Mymaloi
I request assistance for my article [] GERBING Fotoalbum. You say: This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Yes, I am the developer of this software, but I do not want to advertise. I do not want to stimulate a better sale. This software is free of charge. What I want is to help undecided users. I want to help the many people who discuss in internet forums about how to find an easily usable image organizer, one that does nothing else then organizing images. There are many users who use my software. The weekly number of downloads from my web site range between 50 and 500. An entry at wikipedia helps undecided users.

Mymaloi (talk) 11:04, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Mymaloi (talk) 11:04, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * And that is exactly why you are advertising: You are trying to drive traffic to your softw?are, to get more people to use it through this article. Do you understand that Wikipedia is not for this purpose...? Please take a look at the rules on WP:COI. It is very hard to write an article about your own stuff because it is hard to escape that. If your software is notable, someone would soon write about it shortly. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 21:07, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

[Necessary header added]
I have been declined again when I completely wrote the article to avoid copyright issues.

On my band website we wrote the info first then it was taken by other to use on their site so our info was written first. I completely rewrote the info and and am getting tired of being turned down when I've been following all the instructions. Show me where I haven't made significant improvements. Thank you very much Lamontcald (talk) 20:13, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Lamontcald, I would love to explain, but you need to provide a link to your draft. Unfortunately it's difficult to assist you if you do not follow the instructions posted at the top of this edit window. Cheers, &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 21:07, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

08:31:42, 27 February 2015 review of submission by Simonac80
Hi Kikichugirl! Thank your for taking your time to review my submitted article "Federal Office of Communications" and for your feedback. Unfortunately I have a hard time finding other reliable sources to add other than the Office's website and the Department's site. What would you propose me to do? I checked the other Swiss Federal office on Wikipedia and they do not seem to have more references than on their website.

Thank you Greetings

Simonac80 (talk) 08:31, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, Simonac80. You should try proving that they are notable per the general notability guideline. See WP:42. News mentions or other publications would be reliable, independent sources. Good luck! If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, the IRC channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. &mdash; kikichugirl  speak up! 21:09, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

11:35:34, 27 February 2015 review of submission by Artisan301
The article was edited by the last reviewer and several references were added. He then declined it and i added one more reference about the new album. All of them references are new, added by the previous editor of the page.

Artisan301 (talk) 11:35, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, I see that you've added new references and resubmitted. Another editor will review the article and you will receive a notification whether or not it gets accepted. Meanwhile, you may improve the article while you wait if you want. -Newyorkadam (talk) 22:32, 27 February 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam

I fixed my AfC as per your suggestions, please take a look now
Hello Kikichugirl,

Thank you for taking time out to review my AfC [link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Roots_Millennium_Schools] earlier. You denied it due to weak writing style, use of peacock terms and no sources in 'History' section. I edited it, and addressed all problems. I fixed it now. Would appreciated if you could take another look at it, thanks again.

Cheers & Best Regards, Bites85 (talk) 21:34, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, thank you for fixing up the article according to Kikichugirl's comments. When an editor is ready, they will review the article. The backlog of reviewing articles is getting smaller by the day, so yours should be reviewed within a few days! Good luck! :) -Newyorkadam (talk) 22:34, 27 February 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam