User talk:Kile Ozier

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I see that you added to the Gay Games article. Great job!

It appears that some of the material you contributed contains copyrighted material. I've added a note to the Gay Games "talk" page here Talk: Gay Games VII.

Please keep on contributing! --Tiger Marc ROAR! 20:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Kile,
 * Did you see the messages I left for you on your talk page and in the article's Discussion/talk page? As I wrote there, I removed the content because it appeared to be copyrighted. (Copyrighted material cannot be included in Wikipedia unless it is cleared.)


 * Also, full text of speeches is not encyclopedic. Encyclopedias do not document primary source material. Instead, they summarize it. See WP:NOT. However, there is an appropriate place for speeches (if they are not copyrighted or are "fair use") -- our sister project, Wikisource.org. Why don't you put it there and link to the speeches from Wikipedia? I think that would be a great addition.


 * In any case, I hope you're not disheartened and continue to contribute. --Tiger Marc ROAR! 22:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

More on Gay Games VII
Hi, Kile! Forgive me for butting in, but I wanted to add an outside perspective... You and Marc have been discussing some issues that are very tough to deal with in the context of an encyclopedia - and more so in the context of an open encyclopedia that anyone can edit. You, as the director of the opening ceremonies (among other roles) are probably the best source there is for information on the subject. But on the other hand, you're only one person, and you're not verifiable - by which I mean, that information is in your head and it isn't possible for anyone else to look it up and corroborate it. Someone could ask you, but there again, you're only one person. You can see the difficulties here :)

There are a couple references I wanted to point you to that might help clarify the situation. The first is Wikipedia's policy on Autobiographies - a similar area where the best source of information is the individual themselves. And to point out how Wikipedia recognizes the issue at the topmost level, the second is the |keynote speech at Wikimania 2006 made by Jimmy Wales, the founder of the Wikimedia Foundation.

So those are my outsider's comments - I hope you continue to be a part of Wikipedia, and I hope you'll take a look at Wikisource - putting the speeches you mentioned on that site would be a great asset!

Thanks, -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Satyr, thanks for the perspective. You're right, in that pretty much anything, anywhere, one would be able to find written on the background of the Ceremonies would probably have been written by me; though, Jim Provenzano interviewed me a couple of times, and might serve as a "verifier" of sorts... As it stands, at least the entire creative team is now listed in the section on Opening Ceremonies; and I will make myself content with that. Personally, it seems so spare, with so much substance available; but, with time, perhaps I can explore these ancillary sites and add back to the data pool all the wonderful, powerful, inspirational (and some controversial) words spoken on the field, that night.

Thanks for being supportive and informative...

KO 11:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)