User talk:Kilhan/Archive 1

Welcome
Hello, , and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the New contributors' help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type   on your user page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: &#126;&#126;&#126;. Four tildes (&#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Kukini 06:28, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The Five Pillars of Wikipedia
 * How to edit a page
 * Editing tutorial
 * Picture tutorial
 * How to write a great article
 * Naming conventions
 * Manual of Style

Tarkan Translations
Thanks for your input but please don't take away translated titles, they have been there for along time and are now official titles - well-known by everybody. Especially the title you removed was also accepted by Tarkan's official site itself. Thanks again for your effort. 82.145.233.47 19:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I apologise for the mistake. It was the IP number just above yours. Appologies for bothering you. 82.145.233.47 19:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Selam
Türk karşıtı Khoikhoi admin oluyor,tanıdığın bütün türklere haber verirsen engelleyebiliriz burdan oy verebilirsin (Metb82 14:54, 26 March 2006 (UTC))

Azerbaijanis
Hey KillaShark,

We've both been reverting these anonymous editors who keep pushing the fact the the Aeris aren't a Turkic people. What's up with that? I've heard some people say this before, but the Turkic peoples article clearly has them on the list. I was just wondering if you knew why people believe this. --Khoikhoi 08:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey no problem, I see what you mean. Is it true that people that speak Azeri can understand Turkish? --Khoikhoi 08:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, interesting. The only language I known is English and I speak un pequeño (a little) Spanish. Yeah, not bad! :) What about Yakut and Dolgan? Those groups are pretty far away from Turkey and Azerbaijan. --Khoikhoi 03:43, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Interesting that at the website they show northern Iraq as being Turkic, because of the Turkomans, but the area is actually mostly inhabited by Kurds. By the way, in response to your comment here, you could try Requests for page protection. However, they will probably reject it right now because there isn't any edit warring going on at this moment. Try going there when things start up again. --Khoikhoi 07:11, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hunmagyar.org is a really great website, it's been in my bookmarks for years. You know the webmaster has edited Wikipedia? He discusses things at Talk:Turan. But anyways, the procedure is to go to WP:RPP, but as I said, they'll probably reject it because there isn't any edit warring going on right now. Yes, semi-protection is a good idea. You or I could request that when the vandals return tomorrow. What do you want me to try out? They probably won't agree to protect the page. --Khoikhoi 07:36, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Request
Hey man, would you be able to double-check if all the population numbers (in the 2nd paragraph) of the Turkish Cypriots page are correct? A lot of them are uncited. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 04:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. BTW, out of curiosity, what nationality are you? --Khoikhoi 17:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, cool. I'm American. --Khoikhoi 00:42, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Kosovar Turks
Dont make any prejudgements. I dont bear any resentment and I dont see why are you accusing me for POV and vandalism. Well internet isnt only source of information, but this is what I am going to do scan u the page where I have 1981. census data. I hope thats ok. Luka Jačov 14:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Last census in Kosovo was in 1991. but it was boycotted by great number of people in Kosovo and as that unreliable. Ofcourse we could expect growth but not 4 times in last 25 years. Also check this link. I ll scan my data soon. Luka Jačov 15:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, do you have any refernce that Turks had such a big natality in last couple of years. You dont. Actually you are sticking to one news article which is pretty much unreliable source. Luka Jačov 15:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

3RR
You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Turkish people. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. --Khoikhoi 15:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * All seven senses are aware of my impending block stint=)) -KSK 15:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

On Güler Sabancı photograph: If you think leaving certain stuff is dangerous, don't indicate it with a heading that says "leaving this stuff is dangerous". :) Just kidding. If anyone makes a remark on the picture, although doubt it very much, I will remove it right away without discussion. --Cretanforever 20:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah I know lol, I typed it in without thinking too much:) KSK 20:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Re
Doesn't matter man :) I have just defined my opinion.By the way, where are you from? --Karaman 02:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Australia is really cool country.I am from Turkey but my father from former Yugoslavia.Are you of Turkish ancestry or something? --Karaman 20:18, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide
What are we going to do about this guy? He just strategically placed a link to photos of the genocide in the introduction. What he's doing is POV-pushing. &mdash;Khoikhoi 04:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. I've tried to exlpain to this guy what WP:NPOV means. It is not Wikipedia's job to take sides as you know already. He just moved Ottoman Armenian casualties to Ottoman Armenian victims. See this. &mdash;Khoikhoi 04:38, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure, leave a message on this talk page. I'm trying not to get into edit wars, so we can just contact other users to help us out if this continues. &mdash;Khoikhoi 05:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Careful not to break the 3RR however. &mdash;Khoikhoi 05:08, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Hehehe. :p Looks like he's now added another POV paragraph, so it's time either to contact the admins or other users. I say the admins. &mdash;Khoikhoi 05:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll contact as many as I can. :) &mdash;Khoikhoi 05:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Aw man, I got it protected to m:The Wrong Version! Oh well, when people see this they'll get pissed. &mdash;Khoikhoi 05:34, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * LOL, yeah me too. --&mdash;Khoikhoi 05:37, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Could you make a comment here when you have the time? Thanks. P.S. sorry about the images. :( &mdash;Khoikhoi 19:34, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Iranian peoples
Hi, the webmaster who donated the picture of an Iranian-Turk to me, indicates she is so; please provide a source that says the picture is not an Iranian-Turk, or otherwise, do not promote an edit-war in that article. Thank youZmmz 22:25, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Turkish people
Sure, no problem. :D I'll get started right away. BTW, for the Iranian peoples image, Zmmz made two new ones - this and this. Please let him know what you think. &mdash;Khoikhoi 03:23, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, I don't think I'd be able to it do legal-wise. I suggest you ask User:Gmaxwell, a "copyright guy", if it would be ok. All the best, &mdash;Khoikhoi 03:34, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, sounds good. Perhaps you could expand the Culture section at the Turkish people page? Remember, it shouldn't include Kurdish culture, just that of Turks. &mdash;Khoikhoi 02:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Good idea. &mdash;Khoikhoi 02:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, on second thought, I disagree. We shouldn't have any sub-sections yet on the page, I think for now we should just add a paragraph. &mdash;Khoikhoi 02:56, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Vote on Iranian peoples page
Hello, Khoikhoi suggested I contact you regarding a vote on the Iranian peoples page over whether to include the Azeris or not. Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Tombseye 20:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

wowturkey.com images
I noticed you have uploaded many photos from http://www.wowturkey.com/. I wanted you to know that these photos are currently incompatible with GFDL as they are not under a free licence. wowturkey.com requires permission to be sought for commercial use of these images and might not allow the use of modified versions of the images. I've discussed with others about this problem at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Turkey and User talk:A.Garnet and efforts are on to ask wowturkey.com to release (at least a few) images under a free license. You are also invited to talk to wowturkey.com if possible. -- Paddu 21:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The translation at User talk:A.Garnet (note different anchor) says:
 * "But we have a small request : If you really have to delete the tiny logo of our site from the photographs, then please mention our site as the source at the site that you are using our logo. This is unfortunately a legal must."
 * "For a commercial purposed use, permission must be taken, you can take permission by sending a private message to our member."
 * BTW, note these points about "freeness":
 * The aim of Wikipedia and its sublicencees isn't to promote Turkey. If some content is free, its use should not be restricted to promoting something. Restricted ("non-free") content (e.g. those that should only be used to promote Turkey) can be used in Wikipedia under the fair use doctrine, but not using a free licence tag.
 * Another thing is that there is nothing in their website that specifically allows modification of images other than removal of their logo. They have the right to deny modifications of their images, or the use of modified images, which again means the images are not free.
 * Also, note this point about editing images:
 * Removal of the wowturkey.com logo would result in a different image, but whether this can be done or not, and what all can be done with the resultant image, etc. can all be dictated by the copyright holder of the original image, i.e. wowturkey.com and its uploaders. Hence wowturkey.com has the rights to state that removal of the logo should only be done wowturkey.com will be credited separately, and they have the rights to state that one can't use even the modified image without the logo commercially unless we ask for permission, etc.
 * You can learn more about image copyrights and Wikipedia policy on images at WP:IUP and WP:ICT. -- Paddu 21:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Help
This guy keeps adding some extremely POV sentences on Turkey's history in the Turkey article. Earlier he used to do it as an anon, but now he's got a user name I think he's gone over 6 reverts now. Im a novice at WP, so can you report this guy to the admins for breaking the 3RR ? Thanks KSK
 * Done. See 3rr page -- Cat out 00:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot! ...but he's back again. This time as User:Lifer00. *sigh* --KSK 05:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * His presistant is, directly proportional to the length of the block. Hence why he is indefinately blocked. -- Cat out 08:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Ottoman Armenian casualties
The text that I added does mention that the causes are disputed. If you think there should be no mention of these things in Wikipedia, try to get Ottoman Armenian casualties (which is heavily cited) deleted.

We are not out here to copy Encarta and Encyclopedia Britannica, but to create an NPOV encyclopedia. If you wish, you could improve the choice of words in that paragraph.

HTH. Thanks! -- Paddu 18:45, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Im just saying that the absence of that particular event on encarta, brittanica etc. is a guideline that we should use to build up a good article. Many centuries of Byzantine and Ottoman history get just a few paragraphs. Ataturk who basically IS Turkey only gets a couple of sentences in the article. I'd like to see more post-Ottoman history in there, considering this article after all is about the "Republic of Turkey"--Kilhan 18:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay so you agree this could be mentioned in other articles. Now coming to the article under consideration, it is about Turkey and not Republic of Turkey, per se. It obviously doesn't make sense to talk of the geography of the Republic of Turkey, does it?
 * If you want to add more of post-Ottoman history to the article, go ahead and add it by all means! But why should an important event in Turkish history be removed, just because the event is controversial? Note that Byzantine and Ottoman history and Ataturk only get a few sentences because the article is about Turkey. Armenian casualties should also get only one sentence, no more. More about Byzantine and Ottoman history and Ataturk can be got from the appropriate articles on Turkish history, e.g. History of the Republic of Turkey. -- Paddu 19:23, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I feel it is significant, though I'm not a nationalist Armenian. I'm of course OK if you could add citable verifiable content about Armenian "insurgency" (or whatever other word that is more NPOV than terrorism).
 * And oh BTW, your own "guideline" Encarta has stuff about Armenian casualties in the article on Turkey -- . -- Paddu 19:37, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Turkey's economic status
Sure, it is OK to have it in Economy of Turkey. I just wanted it to be mentioned somewhere. BTW I think a lot more stuff can be moved from Turkey (including the table) to Economy of Turkey. -- Paddu 19:28, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Turkey should also be cleaned up IMHO, but currently the articles talking about Turkish demographics, Turkish nationals, the Turkish ethnic group, and the Turkic peoples in general all seem to be in a mess, as indicated by Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Turkey.
 * I think even moving stuff from Turkey to Economy of Turkey to be too much work for me (1. I know nearly nothing about Turkey, and 2. I am not good at merging stuff -- I have tagged some articles for merging, but never did any merges) so it would be better if someone else could do it. :( -- Paddu 20:09, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Ethnic groups in Turkey
Do the other ethnic groups mentioned number much more than the Assyrians? It would be more objective if you could clearly state that ethnic groups that number more than some N (e.g. 100,000) are mentioned and remove mentions of smaller groups. Also, one could state clearly that Greek, Armenians and Jews number much less than the other ethnic groups.

Turkic peoples mention Tatars separately from Turkish people. If you want to mention all Turkic peoples together, the major ethnicity should be changed from "Turkish" to "Turkic" in the article. -- Paddu 19:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I have mentioned that the major ethnic group is Turkic, including Turks, Azerbaijanis, Tatars and Yoruks. Please add/delete to the list of Turkic peoples in Turkey based on their populations. Thanks! -- Paddu 20:34, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * If Azerbaijanis, Tatars and Yoruks are all Turks, please modify the list in Turkic peoples citing some sources (so you aren't easily reverted). -- Paddu 20:50, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Please join the discussion
Please join the demographics discussion for Turkey that is going on here. I'd like to see everyone work it out on the talk page so that I don't have to protect the article. Wikibofh(talk) 23:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Turkey
Thanks for pointing out the situation. I got the article into my watchlist. Usually I am very pacifist in edit wars but as the saying goes "one edit a day, keeps the vandals away." þħɥʂıɕıʄʈʝɘɖı 19:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Turkey
RogerMooreArm/Lifer00 is back - This time as User:Houlihan1. Is there any sort of action we can take against this guy ? P.S. Can you keep a close eye on the article? --Kilhan 04:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Started a long term case, see Requests for checkuser/Case/RogerMooreArm
 * -- Cat out 13:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, its now confirmed and he/she is blocked. -- Cat out 09:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

If User:RogerMooreArm appears again, please let me know :) -- Cat out 21:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

ermeni soykirim makalesiyle ugrasmaktan biktim artik ben gidiyorum. boylelikle makale tamamen ermenilerin insafina kaldi. yuz kere yardim istedik kimsenin umru degil. eyvallah.