User talk:Killervogel5/Archive 5

DYK Issue for List of Gold Glove Award winners at shortstop
Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible. Geraldk (talk) 12:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Rodrigo Lopez (pitcher)
Whatever. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 03:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Your sockpuppet problem...
Hey there. I've blocked all the accounts and the IP you reported (plus User:Rodrigo Lopez, who seems to be the same guy) but you might want to pop over to Sockpuppet investigations/Bsktblldn619 and give your input. I came into this late and it would be helpful if you could comment on that page to explain exactly what's been going on with this person. It might improve the chances of the checkuser request being accepted. Thanks very much. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 02:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Jimmy Rollins
Hey-

Is there a way to get in touch with you re: JImmy Rollins wikipedia page. I work for Jimmy and made additions on his behalf that you deleted. Can we chat so that i can get you the most relevant, official information on JImmy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.12.77 (talk) 16:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

let me know. going to re-edit the page. JImmy wants his social media properties listed on wikipedia as that is the forum he plans to update which will feed edits to wikipedia. --RNMech9 (talk) 15:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)RNMech9

Please see demarcus ware's page. even includes twitter account. Jimmy's facebook page will be the only place to get official personal information and you are doing wikipedia an injustice by not making the community aware of the most up to date, authentic information on Rollins. RNMech9 (talk) 20:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

just let me know how his recent red bull endorsement doesn't fit under media and endorsements. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RNMech9 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

here is your reference for Red Bull: http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Red-Bull-North-America-1014700.html RNMech9 (talk) 23:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Phillies Mets
Hey KillerVogel - I added two sub sections on the Phillies-Mets rivalry page. It's the first steps into the 1980s-history which I believe to be important to understanding today's rivalry. I remember the Mets-Phillies game in the late 1980s when the Mets fans would come down and tell us how much better Howard Johnson was than Schmidt. The Dykstra piece is key because it was fun to have him and rub it in the Mets' face about what a lopsided trade it was. Any suggestions on page-presentation would be welcome. Best regards! Smel4727 (talk) 22:11, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Very nice clean-up and formatting. As always, it's a pleasure working with you. Smel4727 (talk) 22:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

As per-yesterday, I appreciate your ongoing copy-edits. Smel4727 (talk) 14:12, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Google news is outstanding. I search Google under, say, "Phillies Mets brawl" and then specify a series of dates - say 1989 or 1990. Then go to Google: News. It returns newspaper articles. Most are paid archives but there's a handful that are free and have the original article. Just look for the references without a price next to it.

List of World Series champions
I won't be around for the next few weeks, and I just wanted to let you know that if you resume working on the list, and you feel it's ready, you should go ahead and nominate it at FLC and not wait for me to return. -- Scorpion 0422  20:32, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Peer review - Australia national baseball team
You're listed at peer review/volunteers as someone who is prepared to peer review baseball articles. I'm hoping you are willing and able to review one I've been working on: Australia national baseball team. If you are, the review itself is here. Another person has gone through it, but I'd love to get as much feedback as possible. Thanks,  Afaber012  (talk) 02:08, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Ideas for retired players pictures
My name is Krestin Churchwell and I am a graphic design student at Pellissippi state in Tennessee and I have been going through baseball facts and stuff, and I would like to design better images to use for the retired players on the pages you have posted images to... You can contact me at k_churchwell@hotmail.com if you would be interested in letting me do this. I am a huge baseball fan and think there are some better ideas that could be used for these retired players. Thank You, Krestin Churchwell Ghetto9678 (talk) 22:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Ideas for retired players pictures
My name is Krestin Churchwell and I am a graphic design student at Pellissippi state in Tennessee and I have been going through baseball facts and stuff, and I would like to design better images to use for the retired players on the pages you have posted images to... You can contact me at k_churchwell@hotmail.com if you would be interested in letting me do this. I am a huge baseball fan and think there are some better ideas that could be used for these retired players. Thank You, Krestin Churchwell Ghetto9678 (talk) 22:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Alt text
This should give you an idea of how to write alt text; it's a lot harder than it looks. I'll try to get through your lists this week, and it would be helpful if you made sure that everything's accurate and the jargon is correct. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 17:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Evaluation of the Rio de Janeiro bid for the 2016 Summer Olympics
Hi Killervogel5! I have been made some changes in the article Evaluation of the Rio de Janeiro bid for the 2016 Summer Olympics since its FLC. I am waiting your opinion... Thank you for your participation; Felipe Menegaz 20:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Worcester Ruby Legs
> Worcester Worcesters ==

This move was a bit abrupt and discussion-free. I'm not saying it wasn't proper, but given that most sites (and most pertinently Retrosheet) refer to them as the Ruby Legs, I think it needs a bit more justification than has been provided thus far. -Dewelar (talk) 17:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Looking more closely at the source, if anything it supports just "Worcesters" (in the same way that the predecessor of the Pirates was simply the "Alleghenys", and the "Pittsburg" part was appended later), not "Worcester Worcesters", which is really nonsensical when you consider it. -Dewelar (talk) 17:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Abrupt, in this case, just meant "without warning". I agree, as I said above, that the name of the team was, if anything, "Worcesters". However, the page had been at Ruby Legs for nearly a year, and was moved to Ruby Legs by an editor (Neonblak) whom I trust above most others on 19th century baseball. I'll live with it either way, I would just have thought there'd be more discussion, at least at the Worcesters talk page. -Dewelar (talk) 18:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good plan. It would be good to nail it down. -Dewelar (talk) 19:59, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Phils' White House visit
Hi, Killervogel5. I recently joined Wikipedia and am still learning. I just added a section to the 2009 Phils season page, re the White House visit. My reference to the philly.com article has a defect in formatting. I am going to try and find the proper formatting info on one of the Wikipedia pages, e.g., Wiki Manual of Style, etc. In the meantime, if you can offer any suggestions, they would be appreciated. Thank you for all the work you do for the Phillies pages and all the other Wiki activities you are invoved in. Go, Phils! Eagle4000 (talk) 17:56, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

"Never mind ...." I just noticed on the Web search page that there is a similar article at MLB.com. I just substituted it for the philly.com reference. It has the proper format. Sorry to bother you. Eagle4000 (talk) 18:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

RE: Navbox
Umm...I didn't take it out of your userspace...don't accuse someone of doing something unless you have actual proof. I replaced the word "Silver Slugger" with "Gold Glove", and that was practically it. The rest were obvious decisions. Sorry if you thought I plagiarized your content. --  SRE.K.A.L. | L.A.K.ERS ]]  01:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I knew that you were going to make it sooner or later, but I thought why not putting it up sooner then later. Though the pitchers list hasn't even been created yet (by you), I don't think it's a huge deal. --  SRE.K.A.L. | L.A.K.ERS ]]  01:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Cliff+Ben
Enjoy them. It's a good trade for the Phils, I think :). After all, look what happened when the Tribe traded CC to the Brewers last year. Wizardman  21:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from The Curse of Barry Bonds
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En dashes
Does typing "&ndash ;" show up differently from selecting the dash from the thing at the bottom of the edit window? I'll be glad to type "&ndash ;" when I edit the 2009 Phillies article, I just didn't realize there was any difference. Sorry you had to clean up my contributions. :) --Coemgenus 02:44, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Target Field
If Target Field was removed from the Twins infobox, why is the new Marlins Stadium in the Marlins infobox? Also in 2008, Citi Field and New Yankee Stadium were both listed in the Mets and Yanks team infoboxes. 146.95.136.192 (talk) 18:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Brett Myers
Hello fellow Wikipedian. I am not sure I understand your revert of my edit on the Brett Myers article. The fact that Myers called Carchidi a retard and told him he doesn't know anything about baseball is actually the start of when this heated exchange went overboard. Please respond on my talkpage. Thanks! Faethon Ghost (talk) 19:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that pointing out that the argument erupted when Myers called him a retard and was asked how to spell 'retard' is 'wanton profanity' or redundant. I think it is essential to the section because this is where Myers really loses his temper. I guess we don't need to say that Myers told him he doesn't 'know shit about fucking baseball', but the fact that he called him a 'retard' is important. Thanks for the quick response. Faethon Ghost (talk) 19:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well the offensiveness of the word retard is exactly WHY I think it should be included. Myers directly insults the man by calling him this word, and the man responds calmly by saying "how do you spell 'retard'?" which is where everything hit the fan. I just think the way it is now downplays the entire incident. It was a pretty big deal. Let me know what you think, I appreciate your thoughts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faethon Ghost (talk • contribs) 20:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Pete Rose
You make a valid point that not even DiMaggio had the list of pitchers off whom he got his 56 hits, but I still found that list kinda relevant. More relevant than the Jim Gray interview.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 00:54, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Honestly, my point was more that I think that Jim Gray interview is stupid. Maybe it's relevatant on his site because I've never heard of him, but is that really something that deserves that much space on Pete Rose's?--Johnny Spasm (talk) 09:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Carpenter Complex
I created a page today for the Carpenter Complex. I linked to it from appropriate pages (i.e., GCL Phillies) and added it to the Phillies info-box. It is a good start on the page but it needs work. You'll see what I mean. But I think it was time for the Complex to have its own page. Any help from you or the other Phillies editors would be appreciated. Smel4727 (talk) 14:54, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Albert Pujols
Hi. You'll notice I deleted the most objectionable parts of his stat tables, leaving only the current year and his Totals minus that VORP stat category, while also deleting the entire Yearly Averages section. I'm hoping this might be an acceptable compromise with you and the others. I'm willing to let the mediator make the final decision, and will of course, abide by it. I want to apologize to you for some of the words I used on his talk page. I regret using them, and hope you will forgive my slip on doing that. Thanks in advance. Katydidit (talk) 07:03, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar
I'm awarding you this barnstar for your Phillies edits.-- KANE  SUE  03:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Award moved to here. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 15:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Pete Rose
I just left a message for Wizardman as he is one of the few administrators I am familiar with. If you read the discussion that went on about Pete Rose's infobox, I'm just doing what the concensus seemed to be. You'll also note that I pointed out in that discussion that he was pulling this crap for a while.

I don't know what is wrong with him. He seems to follow me around reverting edits I do and changing things I've written for the worse. I've looked at his talk page, and it isn't just me he does this to.

I don't really feel that I am in violation of anything; I went along with the concensus on Rickey Henderson which, by the way, I ABSOLUTELY disagree with. This doesn't seem to be a personality trait Yankees10 has.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 20:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC) If you see something that I didn't update, then just update it yourself. No need to persecute me lol. I'm just trying to get the stats correct for the most part.(Zaxby (talk) 15:17, 15 August 2009 (UTC))

Baseball barnstar
For incredible work on Silver Slugger Award and Rawlings Gold Glove Award lists, I hereby award KV5 one of the two first-ever Baseball barnstars. Staxringold talkcontribs 19:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Award moved to here. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 20:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem. I had wanted to make up that award a little while ago, and who better to present the first one to? :) Staxringold talkcontribs 20:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, I just noticed you use Ribbons on your userpage to display the awards. I didn't make a ribbon for this award, but please do if you get any ideas (probably white w/ red stripes to mimic a baseball and stitches could work). Staxringold talkcontribs 20:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * On that note, actually, I changed my vote to conditional support. Balks are necessary, and what about the running game? Staxringold talkcontribs 20:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI, this site has pickoffs at least for this season (provided by STATS Inc), so the data exists somewhere on pickoffs. Ditto for SB/CS off of. Staxringold talkcontribs 20:19, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * AHA! Baseball-reference has pickoff data and SB/CS data under "More Pitching Stats" -> "Baserunning & Situational Stats". Staxringold talkcontribs 20:21, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand that, but including CS only in the catcher's article builds in a bias wherein Wikipedia is effectively saying that catchers are the only force that play a part in controlling the running game, which is fundamentally untrue. I'm not saying include +/- or UZR or other advanced fielding stats, I'm just saying that at least SB/CS (and perhaps pickoffs as a particular kind of fielding out) are necessary to understand the full contribution of a pitcher to fielding. Staxringold talkcontribs 20:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * <3 No worries. I've had times like that. Staxringold talkcontribs 04:57, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Vikings seasons
You did the lion's share (okay, bad choice of words :-) of the work on the List of Minnesota Vikings seasons FLRC, and have clearly earned the rest of this award.  Giants2008  ( 17–14 ) 01:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Award moved to here. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 01:38, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the other half!  Giants2008  ( 17–14 ) 01:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Harridge & Giles trophies
Hi, KV5. As you may have seen on the Talk page for List of Major League Baseball awards, I found web sources for the ALCS & NLCS trophies. I realize that neither one has its own Wiki article. All the same, both trophies are mentioned in the respective ALCS/NLCS articles -- albeit without citation/verification (before today). After finding sources on the web, I just added footnote references to both the ALCS and NLCS pages. May I suggest adding the two trophies back onto the List of Major League Baseball awards? They are, in fact, MLB trophies and (arguably) second only to the Commissioner's Trophy. The absence of corresponding Wiki pages might be an impetus for someone to create pages for them. Thank you for considering this suggestion. Eagle4000 (talk) 03:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
MobileSnail 22:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

List of Chicago Cubs managers
Not to bother you, but I addressed all of your concerns at Featured list candidates/List of Chicago Cubs managers/archive1. I was just following up to see what you thought of the list now. Thanks! -- T orsodo g Talk 03:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of List of Major League Baseball awards
Hello! Your submission of List of Major League Baseball awards at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Rlendog (talk) 19:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * To be more specific, I think the article is fine, but I suggested a hook that I think would be more interesting (I think there are several possible more interesting hooks for this article, although the original does have the virtue of summarizing the article) and the source for the hook doesn't quite state the fact given in the hook, but merely implies it (although I know it is true, and I am sure a direct source could be found). See if you like my suggested alternative (I already supplied a reference for it to the article). Rlendog (talk) 19:31, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Imperial Triple Crown :)
Your majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow these Imperial triple crown jewels upon Killervogel5 for your "killer" contributions in the areas of WP:DYK, WP:GA, and WP:FC. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:57, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Award moved to here. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 11:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Albert Pujols, Infobox
Can you please cite the definite rule imposed by Wiki on what is allowed (or disallowed) in any Infobox information or how many you can list (up to six)? I quote your comment: "do not include non-Triple Crown stats unless the player is a franchise/MLB career leader." Since when did that rule you cite start after you have seen it all this time, when you can list up to six pieces of information? If you can't supply that specific rule against allowing other information such as H and D, I'm going to add them back. Thanks. Katydidit (talk) 18:38, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Career Managerial Record of Charlie Manuel
I feel I've got to remind you of the discussion we had a few weeks back about this issue. I objected to the removal of the career managerial record table, and because you insisted on continuing to remove it, I gave it its own article. If the table is left in the article, I also see no reason for it to have its own article. You'll recall that that solution was not even my first choice. It was your insistance that the abscence of such a table was established "consensus" that prompted me to split it into a separate article.

Frankly, I'd love to know what prompted you to decide to leave the table in the article as it is now. In any case, the bottom line, for me, is this: if the table is left in the article, I have no objection to the deletion of the separate article. I maintain that the table is a perfctly readable and valuable addition to the article...and why not have ample readable, sensible information in each and every article? This is, after all, an encyclopedia. I also have to continue to object to the "consensus" against the inclusion of such tables. Look at the pages of coaches and managers at the professional and collegiate level, you'll find that most include a records table...and I applaude this.

Anyway, I've posted our original coversation from the Charlie Manuel talk page below for your reference:

I am glad to see a consensus seems to have been reached. EATC (talk) 20:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Great, I've added my opinion to your project baseball talk page. Funny how the sum total of the "consensus" was you and two other people just agreeing with each other. And I've gotta say again, consensus just doen't have much meaning when every other baseball manager's page includes some version of this table. It's cool I guess, you just seem to want to monopolize on page to format it how you think it should be. I've pasted what I posted on baseball project talk page below.

categories re Phillies awards
Hi, KV5. I noticed you removed the nav boxes from the Phillies awards page. I did not realize they should go only on pages to which the nav box is linked. I will follow that policy from now on. I also noticed that you removed the article's 2 categories. Would it be alright if I restore them? They are: Category:Philadelphia Phillies|Award winners; Category:Baseball awards and trophies. Thank you for your patience. I have so much to learn about Wiki guidelines & policies. Eagle4000 (talk) 17:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

FLC note
Hey KV5, just thought you'd like to know I've nominated Major League Baseball All-Star Game MVP Award over at FLC. Nom is here. Staxringold talkcontribs 03:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the input, I've fixed pretty much all your issues I believe. Staxringold talkcontribs 14:14, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Added sortname. Staxringold talkcontribs 14:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support, how should I mention the All-Star Game generally in the lead? Maybe just steal the lead sentence from the All-Star Game article, so stick this in as sentence #2: "The All-Star Game is an annual baseball game between players from the National League and the American League, currently selected by a combination of fans, players, coaches, and managers." And then "Presented each season since 1962, the award" ? Staxringold talkcontribs 14:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And are you sure about your was/were fix? Your way seems right to me, but it was an FLC request by another user. Staxringold talkcontribs 14:39, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. The only thing I might do is 1. Move Cy Young Award directly under MVP (it's of similar status) and 2. Move Babe Ruth Award into the third column. That keeps them balanced; puts MVP and CYA together; puts World Series, LCS, and ASG MVPs together; and keeps most of the "name" awards (Branch Rickey, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, etc) together. Staxringold talkcontribs 14:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, but if we're doing this based on that BB-Ref page you need to include the TSN awards it does. Staxringold talkcontribs 14:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * First I definitely agree with the merge, it's one award under two names (like how the MVP award article is formatted). Second, I think it's clearly notable enough for inclusion. Our goal should be expansion from that list where it is logical (I mostly just don't want DHL Delivery Man, because that award is a brand-new direct clone of the Rolaids award). Staxringold talkcontribs 14:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually no. They kept presenting the TSN award, I think the current format (with a reference to the full article and listing all the winners up to 04/05 when the MLB award was introduced) is the right way. Staxringold talkcontribs 15:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)