User talk:Killervogel5/Archive 7

Talkback
Dabomb87 (talk) 21:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Lasorda's Kingman rant
I noticed something interesting about the Tommy Lasorda Kingman rant, and brought it up for discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball. You might be interested in knowing that Yankees10 & I worked on this one together. Anyway, I think you might want in on this discussion.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 20:32, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Quick comment
Just noticed you're sourcing List of members of the Baseball Hall of Fame‎. We need to stay consistent with date formats. I believe all the other dates are (M D, Y) while you're adding them in (YYYY-MM-DD). I just got dinged on that at my Derek Jeter FA review. --Muboshgu (talk) 21:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Jeeze louize
Taking out Hamels' reference because... she still might be in labor? That would put her in over 12 hours of labor. Half a days worth? Get over yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xhurricanex (talk • contribs) 13:48, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Utley
Hi. I had seen a mixed format (albeit, looking at it now, only one ref was divergent), and switched refs making all consistent with each other. I switched them to a format that is clearly contemplated by WP:DATE in footnotes (from one that is not), and to a format that is devoid of ambiguity (in all-numericals, it can be unclear if the month precedes the date or vice versa), and to a format consistent with the format in the body of the article. Given that that may soon change, though, in that the all-numeric may be accepted in footnotes, if you want to revert to the original all-numeric format in Utley, including the non-numeric footnote that preceded my change, I won't revert.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:27, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for star
Much appreciated, though I'm unsure if the "tireless" part is accurate. :-) The scary part is that there are still over 100 members to cite on the list. While I'm here, I left a comment at the FLRC a few days ago on a possible source for the term pioneer. If you get time, please take a look at it to see if it can be incorporated with a simpler note.  Giants2008  ( 17–14 ) 21:46, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Manager list
There is no reason to list both Philadelphia Phillies and Philadelphia Phillies managers as the latter is a sub-category of the former. You gotta read a wikipedia guide one of these days.--Levineps (talk) 23:05, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

WS MVP
Sorry about that, classic case of biting the newbie. I saw an IP editor with a redlinked talk page and just assumed it was vandalism. Thanks for checking. Staxringold talkcontribs 17:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey
Just want to let you know if it seems that way sometimes there is no hard feelings. Debate breeds new and innovative ideas. There may be something neither parties have though of yet that will be the best of both worlds. I can see your point somewhat even if I don't really see how it makes it less continuous etc. But I don't think either of us will likely change on this point anytime soon. :) -DJSasso (talk) 19:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It could be worse gents. The Nationals could move back to Montreal. GoodDay (talk) 19:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Reliable sources
Does Wikiproject Baseball have any sort of list of generally accepted sources? Someone asked a question about one of my sources on List of Major League Baseball players with 100 triples, and I was kind of at a loss to explain why baseball-almanac.com was as good as baseball-reference.com. I figured you might have run into a similar problem at some point. Go Phils! Coemgenus 04:14, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of Major League Baseball players with 100 triples/archive1
Perhaps you can help us out with a source reliability issue at the above FLC? Dabomb87 (talk) 16:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I would if I wasn't leaving. Once my noms are completed, I'm retiring from the project, at least temporarily, because of the bureaucracy. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 16:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This is disappointing. I hope it's a temporary break rather than a permanent retirement. Enjoy your break, and come back refreshed. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:00, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The latter is more likely at this point. I'm becoming very disenfranchised with all of the parts of Wikipedia in which I currently participate. I have no additional areas of expertise to which I can contribute, and have little desire to continue in the areas which I frequent because of some major frustration I am having with others working in those areas. I'm tired of fighting, even when I'm not trying to fight. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 17:06, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope you're only retiring from the featuring process, not the whole encyclopedia. I understand your frustration with FLCs and FACs, but your contributions add a lot to Wikipedia and it would be poorer without you.  Coemgenus 17:07, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Right now, it's everything. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 17:10, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope you'll reconsider entirely. Your contributions are excellent.  I understand some of the processes can be frustrating but your work would be sorely missed. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Cmon man. Staxringold talkcontribs 20:06, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Just ignore drama. It's so easy. Staxringold talkcontribs 20:40, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Userpage renovation
Well I'm editing in spasms, and am busy with another userpage right now, but looking at your page, and itstab-organized format, it's not that hard to see where to go here. Dammit...there's a good example of what I mean here...but I can't find it :/ Well basically we put everything under a fancy banner, then link the link bars to each "section," but all on the same page.

I won't get to it for a while though. Res Mar 00:00, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Found it:User:The Transhumanist. Note the tabular format. Res Mar 23:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * any particular colors you perfer? There's a basic list of them at User:Resident Mario/Tablet. Res Mar 23:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * So you're flexible? OK I might as well start today :D Res Mar 23:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Ryan Howard
Thank you for tidying up after me :) -- Scjessey (talk) 16:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm okay with a conversion to prose. Perhaps another RBI tomorrow may eclipse these records in any case, and really only make one of them worth documenting. -- Scjessey (talk) 16:51, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Minnesota Twins Page
I think that something like a recognition from ESPN for "Best World Series" out of the first 100 warrants being mentioned on a teams' summary page. Other summary pages (The New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox, for example) include more than one or two sentences mentions of famous world series moments (Carlton Fisk's HR in 75). I won't get into an editing war with you, but I'd appreciate it if you'd re-instate the sentence and cite I used for ESPN's rankings. If you feel something I typed was improperly cited, please let me know.Twinsrulemlb (talk) 23:12, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, those things make sense to me -- I wasn't aware of the WP policies (I'm pretty new to some of this stuff). However, as a side note -- if you're into helping out new folks, your message came off a little snooty. It sounded like you were giving me a bunch of homework to do (reading) and sniping a little bit, rather than explaining in an educational manner. I know it's not what you meant...but it felt that way. Thanks again for your help.Twinsrulemlb (talk) 03:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Some historians think the 1912 World Series was the best one ever. Not too many witnesses still living, though, and no videos. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * No Problem. Thanks again!  Also, looks like you're maybe a Phillies fan?  If so, you gotta be loving this.Twinsrulemlb (talk) 03:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

See
Now you have to stay editing Wikipedia and help me get 2009 World Series featured when my Yankees beat your Phillies. :) Staxringold talkcontribs 02:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Talback
Personally, I think The Flamin' Panamanian is an awesome nickname and could possibly catch on if you just left it in the article. Who cares if it isn't cited, somebody has to come up with a nickname. Besides, it sounds pretty legit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nkhepler (talk • contribs) 03:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

article re Giles Trophy
Hi, KV5. I just did a search for the Giles Trophy and found an article that shows it being held by 3 Astros in '05. The article also mentions Lidge. I just added the article to your wonderful article re MLB awards. Go, Phillies! Eagle4000 (talk) 18:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I just replied on my talk page. Eagle4000 (talk) 19:36, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I just added text and a link, re the ALCS trophy being presented by its honorary president. I hope the format is correct. You may wish to double-check. Eagle4000 (talk) 19:55, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the "Cite web" link. I will use it when adding future Web links. Eagle4000 (talk) 20:25, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Red Sox – Yankees rivalry
I replied to your concerns about the move on that article's talk page. LonelyMarble (talk) 19:27, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Editor review archived
Since it has been well over 30 days since you requested to be reviewed, I've gone ahead and archived your request as part of my effort to cleanup Editor Review. You may view your review here. Thanks & happy editing. If you have any questions, please message me on my talk page. =D Netalarm   talk  05:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

09 Phils season
The only reason I stuck the ref where I did is that ref doesn't speak to the January official signing post-physical, just the initial agreement. Staxringold talkcontribs 15:46, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, I stole your work in starting on 2009 World Series. :) Staxringold talkcontribs 16:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Hamels
What the hell? It was cited, and I had already given a reference from ESPN and could have given another from CNN. You don't appreciate being talked that way? If you don't spew ridiculous things and argue over semantics, then you won't be treated that way in the first place. That, or you take editing Wikipedia pages way too close to your heart, and could be doing something more productive -- like how to not be a little girl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xhurricanex (talk • contribs) 00:03, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Freeways
What is the approximate driving distance between N.Y. and Philly, in terms of miles and/or hours? This is basically a rerun of 1950, except they didn't have Interstates then. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:29, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Less than 2 hours by car, and I would assume there are trains also. If they got really pushed for time, they could practically have a day-night doubleheader between the cities. I wonder if the players will take train or plane? Or maybe just a charter bus? Bus would probably be the fastest, by far. In 1950, the Phils had used their last ounce of karma in getting past the Dodgers, and the Yanks thumped them. Meanwhile, I wonder if you know that if it hadn't been for Dick Sisler and Bobby Thomson, the Series would have been Dodgers-and-Yankees for 5 consecutive seasons? (1949-1953) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:40, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The only doubleheader in the history of World Series play occurred in the 1887 World Series, which was more like a barnstorming series than a true World Series, even by 19th century standards. Detroit and St. Louis were scheduled to play in D.C. on October 20th and Baltimore on the 21st. The 20th was rained out, so the next day the Wolverines and the Browns played a morning game in D.C. and then hopped a train to Baltimore for an afternoon game. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If not for Dick Sisler and Bobby Thomson. Each hit a game-winning homer to knock the Dodgers out of it on the final day of the season, in 1950 and 1951 respectively. So if not for those hits, it could have been Yankees-Dodgers in 1949-53, in addition to 1947 and 1955-56. I say could have been because Sisler's homer broke a tie and Thomson's homer came with 1 out. So even if both men had struck out, there was still a chance of their team's winning their games. Earlier I said would have been, which is sports-hype and is not accurate. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * New York teams and ex-New York teams dominated from the late 40s to the mid-60s. Especially when all 3 were in New York, which Ken Burns' film dubbed "The Capital of Baseball". Wonder what happened to the Yanks in 1948. I guess that's why they switched managers, going with Stengel for 1949. The appearances for the 3 clubs went like this, if I recall correctly... 1946 - no N.Y. clubs - Dodgers lost playoff to Cardinals; 1947 - Yankees,Dodgers; 1948 - no N.Y. clubs; 1949 - Yankees,Dodgers; 1950 - Yankees - Dodgers lost pennant by 1 game (to Phillies); 1951 - Yankees,Giants - Dodgers lost playoff; 1952,1953 - Yankees,Dodgers; 1954 - Giants; 1955,1956 - Yankees,Dodgers; 1957,1958 - Yankees; 1959 - L.A.Dodgers; 1960,1961 - Yankees; 1962 - Yankees,S.F.Giants - Dodgers lost playoff; 1963 - Yankees,Dodgers; 1964 - Yankees; 1965,1966 - Dodgers. The 18-year string was finally broken in 1967 with Cardinals and Red Sox. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually the Phils beat the Dodgers by TWO games in 1950. If the Dodgers had won that last day, they would have been tied and had a best-2-of-3 playoff. Meanwhile, take a look at the AL standings. Four teams finished with better records than the Phillies. No wonder they had such trouble against the Yankees. Despite that, though, the games were all fairly close; three of the four were one-run margins. Oh, another point. I saw a baseball card with Richie Ashburn, somewhere in Google Images, that said "Fightin' Phils" or whatever. So that saying goes way back. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:26, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The 1915 Series was also pretty close. It's amazing what a difference a handful of runs can make, between sweeping and being swept. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:33, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Game 1
For your sake, let's hope the Phillies don't use up all their offense in Game 1. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, one can never have too many runs against the Yankees. And now suddenly it's the Phils who have home field edge... and the prospect of facing Cliff Lee three times, if it comes to that. As for Game 1 in general, I can only say this: ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Chase Utley
Have you seen the actual video clip? That is what actually happens. I do not see how describing his team mates reaction to what he said is not relevant or controversial. I thought that by describing the scenario it would give readers a better understanding of it. I would ask you to please revert the change you made. However if we don't see eye to eye you have more power than I do. Its just a shame you aren't open minded about how edits may be relevant to others even if you yourself may not see the connection. DaBiGg3TiTaLiaNo (talk) 21:52, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok fair enough, I have a source which describes this nearly exactly as I did. I will make sure to cite a source in the future so that my edits are no longer called into question. DaBiGg3TiTaLiaNo (talk) 22:01, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Favor
Are you thinking GA? It looks pretty good as far as structure and sourcing (though April–May could use a few more). I'll put the comments on the talk page when I get the chance. Still saying Phills in six?  black ngold29  03:41, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Jimmy Rollins
Sorry about that. I assume you've already reverted the non-POV parts. Edward321 (talk) 14:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Major League Baseball Comeback Player of the Year Award/archive1
Heyo! Mind revisiting your quick post at this FLC? Trying to get this sucker closed on the next bot run. Thanks! Staxringold talkcontribs 17:10, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Userpage done
*Oven ding*

Well, it's more or less finished. See User:Resident Mario/sandbox to check on it. I used the standard Tabs, but if you want I can make some puffed up ones. Problem is, I'm editing very sporadically (long story with the goddamn cable), so it may take me a while (again). Mash it up as you like and you can transfer it to ur page; ping me if something's wrong or you wanna change something. Cheers, Res Mar 17:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC) Goddamn cable...

Re: Baseball navboxes
Templates are not supposed to be internavigable. That is why we have articles. Templates go in articles; links to templates do not go in templates. Please stop adding these links. Thanks. KV5 ( Talk  •  Phils ) 21:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


 * There is no guideline saying that links to navboxes cannot go in other navboxes. I have looked at several policy/guideline pages, and found nothing about it. That being the case, it stands for now only as a rule you wish for there to be. Hellno2 (talk) 21:39, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Bring it to WP:Baseball, it is a baseball related topic.--Yankees10 21:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I just started a discussion on the talk page of WP:NAVBOX; it is an issue pertaining to navboxes in general. Hellno2 (talk) 21:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Ratings question
Hi! You're a contributor to this area and would appreciate your opinion. I've posted a question to Talk:2009_World_Series about which sourcing/definition for the World Series ratings we should use, any opinion you could lend would be appreciated! Staxringold talkcontribs 08:59, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Bump
Userpage done.

See the heading above.

Miss it...? <b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 20:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Rollback
Hi. I've added the bit. Some more useful tools can be found at this board, which I'm suprised you don't seem to have encountered .... Pedro : Chat  20:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Getting rollback is all well and good, but the important thing is to get that little icon on your user page, so everyone knows You've Got The Power. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:27, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

World Series champs
Nah, it explicitly states: "World Series - Modern era from 1903 to present (also played as exhibitions from 1884 to 1890)." This is referring to those modern WS. The All-Star Game MVP used to be called the Commissioner's Trophy, but it ain't linked there because it's a different thing. :) BTW, Muboshgu said he'd start working on MVP and I'm starting to trim this up, we may be done soon! Staxringold talkcontribs 20:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Lulz, sorry, yes, "link" was the wrong word, I meant "discussion". Anywhoo, what project dya want to work on next? Wanna help me wrap up List of World Series champions? Staxringold talkcontribs 20:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * All I would ask is don't touch the first-round draft pick lists, I'm saving those suckers as my ace in the hole for the start of the 2010 Wikicup. :) As for projects we could get back onto that List of Major League Baseball managers idea. Staxringold talkcontribs 20:53, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually that list is what clued me into the idea of making them. Muboshgu is the one who took the one I wanted to write, NYY. :) As for managers, I'd say lets try to wrap up the awards FT (at least get everything to FLC) but definitely sounds good. Staxringold talkcontribs 21:06, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, you shouldn't have said that. Wait one second. Staxringold talkcontribs 21:23, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually I should ask first, would you like an RFA nom? Staxringold talkcontribs 21:24, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Kk, hit me up whenever. Staxringold talkcontribs 21:34, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Userpage (again)
I'm stumped. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 18:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Jack Taschner
Hi, concerning your edit here, Taschner had in fact been granted free agency because he was dropped from the 40-man roster, making him a minor leaguer and not under major league rule. Also, the all caps edit seemed to be unproductive. You should try to explain and not discourage editing, because it can always be undone. Thanks. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 19:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I was just informing you of what the case was with the article and basic civility. It was all good faith. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 03:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Though I meant no harm confronting you of what I saw as rude behavior, I can see how you can take that from the text and I assure you that wasn't what it meant. My point is "free agency does NOT start until after the World Series," sounds quite disparaging as well. You must assume good faith and since it wasn't vandalism there was no real harm. It was impolite and does discourage editing for new or inexperienced editors. Please rethink the process in the future if you're aware of Wiki's civility policy. Thank you, happy editing. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 16:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * But, it was all good faith. Please see this about any action being undone. New users are going to make mistakes (you and I have) and another editor will restore the correct information. No harm done. Plain and simple there is no reason to be rude to anyone on Wikipedia. Points of intrest for you may be this, this, this and this. Pardon me while I just drop it. Good day. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 17:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Peer review closures
When closing a peer review, please read and follow the instructions on the WP:PR page. Incorrect closures, such as Paul Bako, waste other editors' time. Thank you. Brianboulton (talk) 01:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Re:
If you have a new one for all the ones with stars the upload over them i wont mind but if you dont have one for all the would upload just that one.  Here  Ford 02:39, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

editing a navbox
Hi, KV5. I noticed that the following two leagues in Australia (Greater Brisbane League and New South Wales Major League) are not in the "professional baseball leagues" navbox (at Oceania / Current). Professional Baseball Could you tell me how to add them, or if it's protected, whom I should contact? Thank you. Eagle4000 (talk) 18:38, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, KV5. Using your advice, I just added the 2 leagues to the navbox. Eagle4000 (talk) 19:49, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

FLC reviews
Thanks for your recent reviews; they are appreciated muchly. If possible, can you make a declaration (i.e. support, oppose, or neutral) at ? Thanks again, Dabomb87 (talk) 01:11, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Consider it done. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 01:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

First-round draft picks
Thanks for the heads-up, I went off the Template:New York Yankees 1st round. Do you possibly had a discussion from a past TfD? Thanks. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 17:13, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it my understanding that it can stay if I create a List of Seattle Mariners first-round draft picks page to accompany it? --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 17:21, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, my draft is here. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 17:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, yeah we are lucky. Thanks for the information. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 17:40, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Mets Phillies rivalry
Thanks, I appreciate the note.

I think the article is good but I think it can still be improved. For example, I would like to expand on the origins section exploring the long standing NY-Philly rivalry including William Shea's attempt in 1959 to lure the Phillies to move to NY, the early 1950s' Phillies-Dodgers rivalry which followed the Phillies' horrible treatment of Jackie Robinson in 1947, the 1910s A's-Giants World Series, and then really tracing back to Philly's loss of the national capital to NY. There's other points as well I would tweak - for example, exploring how the Phillies and Mets have basically stopped playing spring training games against each other since the early 1990s. Just keep it in mind.

Smel4727 (talk) 19:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Cy Young Award
Hi Killervogel. Please explain your concerns that led you to revert my edit. That the information is true is obvious from comparing the two lists. If you are concerned about "over-linking", then simply de-link. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 16:04, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Would you be satisfied if I compared the lists as they exist on a reliable source, rather than on WP? Or are you insisting that I give a citation for each observation (e.g., FV is the only person to win both CYA and ROY)?  I am aware that all information "that is likely to be challenged" must be cited.  In this case, I am arguing that the facts are obvious and not likely to be challenged.  --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 17:37, 20 November 2009 (UTC)