User talk:Killing Vector/Archives/2005/September

Miklós Horthy
Hi Stlemur, could you please read the discussion at Talk:Miklós Horthy and #Category:Fascists..., and rethink your recent addition of based on the info there? Thanks, KissL 08:42, 8 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not accusing Horthy of having been a fascist; nor, I think, does anything in the template make that accusation. The Horthy regime, however, is very important in the history of fascism. If you want to remove him from List of fascists I think that would be reasonable; I didn't put him there. Stlemur 08:52, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

It is true that most of what Hungary had to with fascism happened during the Horthy regime, but the article is about the person, and there seems to be a consensus that he was not a Fascist. It is also true that the template does not say that he was one, but it only provides two possible reasons for appearing on the page - "This article may be listed on an index of fascist movements or people" -, so it does imply he was one.

I removed him from the list of Fascists (along with some copyediting of the same) and I also removed the template for now; however I have nothing against you (or anyone) putting back the template with a clearer wording as to why it is there (until we get a separate article about that specific period in Hungary's history where we could probably put the template without significant objections). KissL 14:50, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Northern League
Northern League: not that I really disagree, but I bet you'll take some flak for this. The thing is that "fascism" is such a loaded word. Trying to define who is and who isn't is tough, and putting up that template suggests that you've decided the matter. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:06, September 9, 2005 (UTC)


 * Eh, flak is flak. I have a definition derived from established Wikipedia definitions, and I'm not unreasonable. The first page of this project will involve mostly pruning anyway, I figured. Stlemur 06:29, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikiproject Fascism
Sure, I can give my input, do you have any specific things you would care to know, or me to do? I'm just wondering. The Fascist Chicken 02:13, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, at the moment we're still even considering basic definitions over what counts as a fascist movement. Something else I could really use is good sources on movements outside of Germany & Italy. In particular, what do you think is the relationship between fascism and falangism, and where do governments like the Estado Novo fit in? — Stlemur 02:22, 17 September 2005 (UTC)


 * having seen the definition, how does this relate to Nazi's like James Mason (National Socialist)? I think there might be problems with yr definition, or should National Socialism be seen as something different? Harrypotter 17:58, 21 September 2005 (UTC)