User talk:Killing Vector/Archives/2007/November

Anatolian Greeks and Mack Smith
Hi Stlemur. I want to remind you that there it is not only the Greek group. Others agree with Smith opinion on the Anatolian Greek in Greco-Italian war: Eteturk, Frank R., Brunodam, I, etc.. The paragraphs that you erased are not speculations of wikipedians, since are referenced:<<After the war, Italian commanders like General Prasca would compare the stubborn Greek resistance in Epirus with that of the Turks in the Dardanelles in World War I, and even go as far as attributing it to the large numbers of Anatolian Greeks serving in the Greek army (about one fourth of the recruits were from Anatolia) after the population exchange of 1923-24.[9] Furthermore, the English scholar Mack Smith wrote that many Greek recruits were the sons of those Greeks forced to move to the Kingdom of Greece. He added even that the Anatolian Greeks had the warrior mentality of the Ottomans.[10]>>. The first paragraph was written by the greek Plakidas and the references 9 and 10 can be found at the bottom of the article. Sincerely I don't see any racism in the above paragraphs, but I see a reality fact that can irritate only the most fanatic Greeks. And this irritated behaviour is NOT wikipedian. Many articles in Wikipedia irritate someone, but the admins defend the objectivity and the different opinions of all of us. --Kemal2 21:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Altbier
Hi Stlemur. Altbier is known to be a pale ale. I have cited Michael Jackson saying that British bitter and Altbier are very similiar. That reference should be enough. I do not wish to overload the article with more references saying the same thing, though it might be worthwhile to include a comment and source giving a different opinion. Albiers are commonly compared to British bitters/pale ale - the only notable difference being the period of cold maturation after fermentation. The malt grist will vary (though not as much as the malt grist of beers within the Bitter spectrum), but will contain a majority of pale malt. I am wondering if you are thinking of something else? Even though it is called an "Old beer", the designation didn't come into use until the 1800s, and the "old" meant traditional, in contrast to the modern pale lagers that were becoming popular in Germany - in the same way that CAMRA used the term Real Ale. If you think of Altbier as the 19th century German term for traditional beer in the same way that CAMRA used Real Ale as the 20th century British term for traditional ale, you would be getting a fair impression of the origin and meaning of the name. Horst Dornbusch is a person who makes huge claims for Albier (saying it has a longer history than technically possible, etc) and when I get home I'll look in a couple of his books that I have and see if I can find something interesting that might be added for balance. If you have any sources that you know of that might add something new, that would be helpful as well. Regards  SilkTork  * SilkyTalk 15:54, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm home, and I've checked Dornbusch's "Prost!" and a couple of websites, and updated Altbier with the information I've gathered. Alts from Hannover tend to include some darker malts in the grist, and alts from Munster use a proportion of wheat, but pale malt is a defining and characteristic feature of altbier according to the sources I've looked at. I'd be interested in looking at sources you can direct me to which suggest that Altbier doesn't use pale malts and discussing it further with you. Regards.  SilkTork  * SilkyTalk 20:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)