User talk:Killing Vector/Archives/2009/January

Iron Sky
I think I have improved the article to now easily pass WP:NFF. What else might you think neccesary?  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Your recent comments on BJCP
Hello, Killing Vector. I wish you'd think a bit about your recent comments involving BJCP on the discussion page for Beer Style. Do you think there was even a remote possibility that the BJCP's description of Doppelbock was the result of a what you suggested? Please, this discussion is difficult enough without statements such as that. Thank you! Lovibond (talk) 00:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, yes I do think that. I say this having looked into their research methods and found little documentation of actual historical research, but some winking statements about lots of "sampling". This gets to the heart of the matter of why they're not a reliable source; a reliable source documents results in a transparent and objective manner. here is what I would call a reliable scholarly source; read it and you'll find citations to technical publications, firsthand examination of equipment, a discussion of history; the BJCP is nowhere near that standard. --Killing Vector (talk) 01:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Quite unfortunate. You seem to read quite a bit into a remark Mr Strong apparently placed in his presentation to elicit a laugh from a friendly audience, and have chosen to place more credence in that than in anything else he said. Where is your evidence of a "drunken night out?" I have grown accustomed of such slurs from another participant in the discussion, but did not expect such a childish remark from you. Lovibond (talk) 02:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think maybe you're taking this a touch too seriously. No, I don't have direct evidence that the BJCP evaluations are done while the evaluators are intoxicated. I do have experience working with other organizations where I have seen tasting sessions consistently turned into excuses to get drunk, and any resulting "data" ending up quite questionable. Furthermore, I must ask that if you're going to make an issue about this that you address the point that I've made above concerning scholarship; do you have some evidence of the BJCP's pedigree regarding beer scholarship that I'm unaware of, something that matches the standard I've shown exists elsewhere in my previous comment? --Killing Vector (talk) 06:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)