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Atheangelism
Thank you for your comments on the article "atheangelism".

You raise 2 reasons for suggesting its deletion:

1. Neutral Point of View 2. Neoligism

1. Neutral point of view is not violated with this article. The terms "atheangelism", "atheistic evangelism", and "evangelical atheism" are interchangeble, in use by Christian apologists and atheists alike.

Please look at the references at the bottom of the page.

Generally speaking, "atheangelism" and "atheistic evangelism" are terms used by Christian apologists to describe the phenomenon described in the article.

"Evangelical atheism" has been used in the same way "atheangelism" and "atheistic evangelism" have been used by Christian apologists, but has also been used by atheists as well. If you look at the article, I now describe the different ways atheists and Christian apologists use this last term.

2. With regards to the use of atheangelism as a neoligism, you are correct that "atheangelism" per se is a relatively new term. However, it has been adopted for clarity with regards to the two other terms with similar meaning --"atheistic evangelism" and "evangelical atheism".

These latter terms have been widely used for the past decade and a half.

Please let me know if the changes that have been made in the article address your concerns satisfactorily, and if you would consider removing your request for deletion.

mpleahy 17:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

re: Mercer Middle School
For a speedy copy vio delete, the article had to have been created in the last 48 hours. That article was there for several months. Vegaswikian 00:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it did say 48 hours at one time. Looks that that was replaced by some more complex conditions.  You can find the speedy criteria here. Enjoy reading.  Vegaswikian 00:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

re: Noscapine
Hi there Selket, While researching a page request for Anarcotine (I created a redirect page to noscapine) I noticed you have worked on Noscapine lately. There seems to be some promising research on noscapine as a chemo agent for various cancers that I thought belonged in the article. I have some knowledge in this area but see from your user page that you probably have much more than I do and I wondered if you would be willing to review some literature and add perhaps a paragraph on noscapine in cancer treatment. I see that it is mentioned in the opening paragraph, but the link doesn't work. The stuff I scanned from a g-search [] made it look very promising, but again this is way out of my expertise with pharmas and oncology. Thanks --killing sparrows 06:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, thank you for your confidence in me. Truth be told, my research has nothing to do with cancer and very little to do with pharmacology.  I work on the wikipedia drug articles as a hobby.  I've only taken a couple of pharmacology classes (a while ago), so I kind of know what to look for but am not in any way an expert on the subject.  I will take a look at the article, but I'm not sure when I'll be able to devote a substantial chunk of time to it.  I would encourage you to keep plugging away at it.  Also instead of google, try pubmed.  You usually can't get the full articles unless you are on a university computer, but the abstracts will show the findings of the paper.  I find a higher signal to noise ration there than on google.  --Selket Talk

Re: American Poetry Review/Honickman First Book Prize
Hi Killing sparrows,

Thanks for your polite message. I was too angry to put a message on your talk page. I've had a lousy experience recently with editors at the Spam project page who are almost acting like a vigilante group within Wikipedia and who can't be bothered with WP:CIV or WP:ASG, so you hit a raw nerve. I'll remove the message from the main page and put it on the talk page. I'm right now in the middle of my campaign to reform the ways of the [phrase removed and replaced by: ladies and gentlemen] at WikiProject Spam so I'm too busy to do much else right now, but I'd be happy to look over what you suggest. I tend to calm down quickly when I'm approached courteously, and I appreciate your approach. More later, Noroton 03:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC) self censored Noroton 04:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Article on the Corfu slide
Hei, Pleased to see your article on Corfu slide which relates to the Missoula Floods. I don't recall hearing of it (and currently live in Washington, DC so will be a while before I can get out to see it). Since you live in Othello additonal information and photos would be great.

You are certainly welcome to add this new page to the boxes you have put at the bottom of several related articles link boxes - this is the nature of Wikipedia that you should.

There are a series of areas to the north of you that are supposed to be quite geologically interesting. I don't have the right books with me, but they lie in the region where the Missoula Floods overflowed the Othello basin to the west into the Columbia (I think called Frenchman Coulle and similiar). I think they'd be an appropriate addition if you get the chance.

Skal - Williamborg (Bill) 11:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

adoption?
Hi, killing sparrows. I see you're looking to be adopted. I've been around Wikipedia since last May, and I can probably answer most questions you might have. I'd be happy to adopt you until you feel you know your way around. Let me know if you'd like my help or if you'd rather wait for a different adopter. — coe l acan — 19:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No particular place. Our talk pages are fine; or, if you'd like a dedicated area, you can just start a subpage of my talk space, like user talk:coelacan/killing sparrows. — coe l acan — 20:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

List of people who went to heaven alive
Thanks for your thoughtful note. My mind isn't completely made up on the issue -- I gave a comment rather than a vote -- and I'm open to other people's views. My thought is that, particularly if there are well-sourced articles on the issue as a whole that cross the religious areas this list crosses, to have an article on the concept as a topic rather than focusing on the list. But the concept itself needs reliable sources showing other people have researched the concept in a cross-religion way; I believe doing this on our own (buiilding a concept out of disparate pieces) without sourcing the concept beforehand could be a violation of WP:SYN. If the sources are there, go for it. Best, --Shirahadasha 04:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Funny you should ask
Just as I was in the middle of a response you messaged me about it! See Talk:List of people who went to heaven alive. I don't see any of this as an edit war. I was tired and hadn't read the Mormon article on translation carefully enough. I'm glad you pointed out the difference. I think your comments on the deletion discussion are not decisive in whether or not the article should stay or go because the article is evolving, editors are responding to criticism with revisions and so the subject really is can this article's subject be well-represented by a Wikipedia article. I see no reason why not, but your comments have already been helpful. Thanks! Noroton 16:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Another point: You wrote in your message, "I think we have a grouping of people with more differences than commonalities as I have outlined in my several notes." There are an extremely limited number of people for whom the claim is made that they were allowed into heaven or its equivalent paradasical afterlife state. To me, that would seem to give them a lot in common, enough for an article, IMO. Noroton 17:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Malick Sidibe
Another editor has added the "prod" template to the article Malick Sidibe, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also What Wikipedia is not and Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the prod template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Oo7565 19:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

another one proed it not me i was just letting you knowOo7565 20:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

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How to nominate multiple articles in a single discussion
I see you nominated Eric Zane's radio show about Free Beer and a bunch of other articles. In situations where all the articles are clearly linked to each other, it helps to nominate them under a single heading. After you nominate the first article, "foo", using, you nominate the second article, "bar", using foo , and so on. Detailed instructions are far down on the WP:AFD page. Best regards. YechielMan 07:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

re Parras Middle School
The link on the AfD notice goes to the old, closed discussion... you have to make a page named something like Articles for deletion/Parras Middle School (second nomination) (and place under that name in the day's AfD log), and edit the AfD notice to point to that. Herostratus 03:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have removed the template since, as described above, it is broken and it serves no purpose. If, as I suspect, you did not realise that the article has just been through an AfD then no further action is needed. If, however, it is your intention to pursue a second AfD then please follow the appropriate steps at WP:AFD. Please let me know if I can help further. TerriersFan 21:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi There, I started the nom without checking the page history (live/learn!) and once I realized my mistake decided to go ahead with the nom as a learning experience in how to do a 2nd AfD but either I am too dense or the instructions are less than clear. I tried several things per the instructions on WP:AFD and asked for help on the talk page but still didn't get it right. If it's deleted and not a problem that's fine, althoughI think it is still listed on the April 8 log, and I did manage to create the deletion discussion page witha link to the first AfD nom, but I don't know what to do from here. That particular nom is no big deal but I would like to figure out what I screwed up. Any advice appreciated. Is it just me or are the 2nd nom instructions less than clear? Thanks for your help! --killing sparrows 22:29, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, its not just you, the instructions for 2nd AfDs are very obscure. It is still desirable to put a correct template on the article. BTW since you Afd'd the article I have sourced and expanded it to meet the objections raised so you might want to take another look :-) TerriersFan 23:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

re Zephyranthes
Hi Killing sparrows,

I read your name explanation with interest!

In regard to your question: I don't recall we have standards on the format of common names in using bold or italics, but there has been some discusion on capitalization. But you had better check and ask for sure at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants.

I think it is safe to say that there is consencus that the scientific name of species and genera should be in italics. Thus it should be Z. jonesii not Z. jonesii. But in lists, such as the species list in an article on the genus, many people skip this habit.

I noticed that you converted all species name in into links. Not all people support this, as they view red links as "ugly", though personally I prefer this (less work, and it is also an invitation).

kind regards,

TeunSpaans 05:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

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Belfield Park
Unfortunatley, it's low capacity is caused by the overall poor quality of the League which has resulted in low attendences.--Play Brian Moore 03:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. Remember also to take into consideration the whole population thing. 6 million on this island, 300 million in the U.S.--Play Brian Moore 13:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Ice in the Corfu Slide
Interesting idea that ice should have existed under the slide since 13,000-15,000 years ago. Let's consider if this is even credible...

Heat and cold tends to move into the earth in waves from the surface. After a distance of 10-15 feet, the seasonal variations tend to average out to the annual average. The annual average temperature in the region of the slide is about 48.5° F, so if you dig a tunnel 20 feet or more into the earth it would probably be about 48.5° F or 9°C. If its higher up the slope, it would be cooler, so say 8°C. When I was a kid we refrigerated butter and similar things down a dumbwaiter that lowered things into a cool, dry well sunk below the house - it worked very well (except for a musty smell) and used no electricity. So it is not unusual to find cool breezes draining from a tunnel. And if you have air flow the evaporation of moisture can cool it further (like a swamp cooler) - see Qanat for an insight on how that would work.

But let's look seriously at the possibility of ice.

Of course there’s another factor other than heat coming in. If a significant amount of heat is also coming up from below, common in areas where there are hotspots, this subsurface temperature can be higher. No reason to expect that is the case near the Saddle Mountains as the hot spot has moved on to the Yellowstone area. So we’ll neglect that heat source here.

Earth is a fairly good insulator – say the equivalent of concrete – so its thermal conductivity is about 0.8 Watts/meter-°C. Since ice must be 0°C or colder, if you have ice buried, for example, 100 meters into the hillside, the temperature difference is 8°C over that 100 meters. The heat flow rate = (thermal conductivity x area × temperature difference)/distance or for a one meter square area, 0.8 W/m-°C x 1 m&sup2; x 8°C/100 m, which gives you 0.16 Watts (0.16 Joules/sec). This is 5 Megajoules per year per meter&sup2;. Since the latent heat of melting for ice is 334 Joules/gram, this will melt about 15,000 grams of ice per year. For an ice face 1 meter on a side (which is what this heat flow was computed for) and an ice density of 1 gm/cm&sup3; this implies you’ll melt about 1.5 cm (or 0.5 inch) into the ice every year. In 15,000 years, you’d melt 8,900 inches or 750 feet into a huge block of ice. So a really big block of ice just might have survived for some time - maybe long enough to be found in the 20th century. But it would have had to have been almost absurdly large.

Of course many things would throw a rough-order-of-magnitude calculation like this off. For example, flowing water in the area would transfer heat much faster. And the average temperature over the past centuries was lower, so the melting could have been slower.

But all things being equal, it appears it may have been just barely possible if the ice block was large enough and the conditions were favorable. If you have any references – say old newspaper articles or the like testifying to witnesses seeing actual ice – this would be a great addition to the article.

And then we might be able to get some of the WSU geologists interested in studying the phenomena. Might be the makings of a Masters Degree in the study of vestigial ice-age ice from a glacier that is otherwise gone.

And it would certainly enhance the argument that the flooding of the rerouted Columbia was the proximate cause of the slides!

Thanks for the interesting thoughts Williamborg (Bill) 02:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Pictures of Corfu Slide posted
Several pictures of Corfu taken from the ridge of the Saddle Mountains posted today. Great trip - was in the area for a couple of days - worth driving over there to take a look. Williamborg (Bill) 02:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

In Appreciation
I, Lesley Fairbairn invite you to share in the Beating off AfD Celebration Cake (with an Easter theme 'cos the chicks are happy with the editing too) in recognition of your support and excellent editing on Earth jurisprudence, removing buzzwords and bringing the writing style in line with encyclopaedic norms. --Lesley Fairbairn 09:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Wild Law (book)
I am now attempting to beat off the AfD on another, related, article called Wild Law (book) and wonder if you might be willing to help me improve it. On the back of the experience sourcing Earth jurisprudence, I was happy to establish the notability of the book. But I am perplexed by some the other comments left at the AfD page for this bookand would appreciate your advice on how I might improve the article further. The comments I refer to are:
 * "The article reads like an advert for the book, which is not what WP is for."
 * "until the "spammy" feeling can be dealt with, I have to go with weak delete"
 * "It needs cleanup"
 * "too promotional in nature"

Thank you for your time, if you are able to donate some to this. If not, thank you for your previous contributions. --Lesley Fairbairn 09:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Ascending to the top of Crofu Slide
The best way to get to the top is from the south side. Coming east along the south side from Othello, go to the spot where the "saddle" that the Saddle Mountains are named after is located - it's just north of where the Columbia turns south again. There you'll find an old artillary road from the WW2 Hanford site - it is identified by a big Walluke Wildlife Refuge sign - and this road goes all the way up to an old anti-aircraft site at the top of the mountain. You can drive up in any car - the asphalt is getting a little rough in spots - but we did it in a passenger car with no concern. When you get to the top, stay east. When the road ends, it ends because of the slide - you walk 25 yards to the top of the slide - which is where the pictures were taken. I'd been there 30 years ago - but until you wrote the article I didn't know what I was looking at.

You can get up from the Crab Creek side too - but that's pretty much a 4-wheel-drive route only.

Cheers - Williamborg (Bill) 01:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

As to the ice caves - I'm really curious to see how that comes out. Good hunting. Williamborg (Bill) 01:43, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

cleanup
Sure, I had no idea that there was a tag in the archive. However, I have a lot of archives - 46 at present - and I can't seem to find the page in the cleanup category. Could you either point it out to me, or remove it yourself? Thanks, and if you notice anything like this in the future, just be bold and remove it yourself. Prodego talk  21:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

re-re: Yagyū Shinkage-ryū == ==

re: Yagyū Shinkage-ryū
"Hi there,

I notice you've had an interest in this article. It's on a cleanup list from 2005 and I would like to get it off that list. I broke the main sections into paragraphs and cleaned up the writing but there are still things that don't read well. I hesitate to make big changes in an article I know little about and was wondering if you could take a look at it and smooth it out a little. Thanks!--killing sparrows 04:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)"


 * Sure I can go over it, but my main priority right now is the Shinto Muso-ryu article so I cant promise you much time spent on the Yagyu article. I'll do my best. Fred26 05:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Sofia Kovalevskaya
Hey, I just proofread Sofia Kovalevskaya, just wanted to let you know that you did a great job, because there wasn't much left for me to do... Cheers! Cricketgirl 23:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Link density - I agree with the MoS that the link density should be roughly uniform, but I think in this case there are some pretty important things in the intro, and I think a slightly high link density in the intro is better than not linking them until later - I feel a link points out the relevance and importance of the term/subject.


 * General advice for copyediting - keep doing what you're doing! That was one of the lightest copyeds/proofs I've done in quite a while! Possibly something to look out for is to try and make references to a person consistent - in Sofia Kovalevskaya she was referred to alternately with Sofia and Kovalevskaya. I thought about changing it, but Kovalevskaya's so long and Sofia's a bit informal, so I left the mix. With shorter names I would stick to referring to the subject by their surname throughout unless there is ambiguity (such as in a family/childhood section where there will be several people with the subject's surname).


 * Cricket - I'm Australian, my dad loves cricket and my mother was rarely home. Kind of a recipe for me getting hooked, really... Have a nice weekend! Cricketgirl 11:04, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

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released into the wild
I've left the wire cage door and the window open for you. Hit my regular talk page if you need anything in the future, so I'll get the orange bar and you'll get my attention. Be well. =) — coe l acan — 02:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I surely hope you're right. I worry though. — coe l acan — 03:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)