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Daily Mail
Hi. Please replace the Daily Mail reference at Pizza Club. It should not be used. See WP:DAILYMAIL. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 23:12, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression it was acceptable to use the Mail as a primary source—i.e. to cite the Mail as evidence that the Mail reported something, as I have done there. From WP:DAILYMAIL, "The Daily Mail may be used in rare cases in an about-self fashion." —Kilopylae (talk) 08:49, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Mhm, I don't think so. WP:ABOUTSELF states: "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, […] as long as it […] does not involve claims about third parties;". Robby.is.on (talk) 09:13, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The citation supports "the Daily Mail described ... and credited ...". The Mail is a reliable primary source for showing that the Mail printed something. It doesn't say in wiki-voice that the Pizza Club forced May's resignation, citing the Mail article claiming that the Pizza Club forced May's resignation—that would be inappropriate. It states that the Mail said something and uses the Mail as a primary source for it having said that. That is fine. —Kilopylae (talk) 09:46, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Wiki-voice or not – WP:ABOUTSELF makes no differentiation there – the Pizza Club article contains "claims about third parties" sourced to the Daily Mail which it should not. To imply that the section "Resignation of Theresa May" is about the Daily Mail ("may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities") would be disingenuous. Robby.is.on (talk) 23:31, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

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