User talk:Kim Dent-Brown/GC page outline

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Purpose of page
The point of this page is to provide a skeleton on which articles about George Cross winners can be written. Please feel free to add to or amend this page, ideally with an explanation in the edit summary and/or here. In due course the page could be migrated to a more formal setting such as a Wikiproject but this would take time so let's start here. Kim Dent-Brown  (Talk to me)  09:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Congratulations - it looks very professional. DuncanHill (talk) 09:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Seconded - well done. It is pretty much there but I think it will save quibbling further down the line, as the GC is expressly a non-military award, if it is de-militarised and saved explicitly as a GC-template - if no-one else gets to it first, I will have a go as soon as I get the time.HeartofaDog (talk) 15:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks both: I agree, it's odd to use the military person infobox for a non-military award. But in practice the majority of GC winners are in fact military personnel and there just wasn't an infobox I could find which fitted the bill (nor did I know how to make one!) I think pragmatically we could carry on using it for now, but agree it would be better 'de-militarised' if we were to go public with it. Would be excellent if someone with more know how would do so! Kim Dent-Brown  (Talk to me)  16:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it can be turned into an "official" template due to the way it sets out a skeleton for a complete article - or perhaps it could, but only if it's made clear that it should always be subst'ed, rather than transcluded. In which case it's easy enough to delete the infobox if it's irrelevant.  David Underdown (talk) 17:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I've done a short article for every holder of the medal now, at least everyone who's on the list. I'd like to thank everyone who's helped tidy them up so far! I only started doing this because I noticed all those red links on that list page, although what I was doing on the list page I can't even recall. The template is good and very neat though I'd agree that it should be a non military one as the George Cross is explicitly a non military medal, although the vast majority of people who've won it were on active service at the time. I would be happy to see anything I've written used in such a template, but I wouldn't want to see useful information or links cut from pieces simply because they didn't fit the template in some way. Content should always trump presentation. I apologise once again for getting shirty while several patrolling editors tried to speedily delete various people as not notable or whatever and offer my apologies to any of you who may have been caught in the brief but intense bursts of crossfire. If anyone knows of a similar military type list which needs a bit of help, let me know. I think I've caused enough damage on the George Cross front for a while. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick mallory (talk • contribs) 11:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well done on getting the redlinks turned to blue Nick! I'll try and go through to wikify, expand or otherwise improve some of them now. Quite agree that information should not be deleted in the cause of uniformity: if/when I use the 'template' page I've drafted, I will import into the template what I can, and leave the rest of the information in the article body. Thanks for putting up with the deletionists Nick, hope you're not too bruised by them! Hopefully the further wikification process will keep any of them quiet from now on... Kim Dent-Brown  (Talk to me)  14:48, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, and thanks for all your hard work in turning my pigs ears into silk purses. I'm happy to spar with the deletionists actually, it's half the fun. Nick mallory (talk) 04:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

On another note, does anybody know what Michael Joseph Munnelly did to get his GC? Armed robbers? Burning bus? I just can't find anything on him.Nick mallory (talk) 12:00, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The full citation is in the Gazette which is fairly explicit since it's under 50 year's old it's still in copyright, so the whole citation can't be reproduced. David Underdown (talk) 12:44, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Nick mallory (talk) 04:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

List of GC winners to be formatted
Will strike through once formatted. Thomas Alderson , Mateen Ahmed Ansari , Bertram Stuart Trevelyan Archer , Robert Selby Armitage, Awang anak Rawang, John Axon, John Herbert Babington, Eric George Bailey, John Bamford, Arthur Banks, Herbert John Leslie Barefoot, James Wallace Beaton, John Archibald Beckett, Michael Paul Benner, Kenneth Alfred Biggs, Michael Floud Blaney, John Bridge, David Broadfoot, Francis Haffey Brooke-Smith, Richard Arthur Samuel Bywater, Alexander Fraser Campbell, Wilson Hodgson Charlton, Donald Owen Clarke, John Clements, Dennis Arthur Copperwheat, Frederick John Cradock, Peter Victor Danckwerts, Fredrick Davies, Robert Davies, Hubert Dinwoodie, Ditto Ram, Albert George Dolphin, Raymond Tasman Donoghue, John Noel Dowland, Charles Alfred Duncan, John Bryan Peter Duppa-Miller, Mahmood Khan Durrani, William Marsden Eastman, Jack Maynard Cholmondeley Easton, Reginald Vincent Ellingworth, Errol John Emanuel, Harry Errington, Frederick William Fairfax, Francis Anthony Blair Fasson, Christopher Finney, Douglas Ford, William George Foster, Leslie Owen Fox, John Alexander Fraser, Michael Gibson, Ernest Oliver Gidden, Ivor John Gillett, Benjamin Gimbert, Anthony John Gledhill, Roger Philip Goad, Leon Verdi Goldsworthy, George Herbert Goodman, George Gosse, Karl Mander Gravell , Hector Bertram Gray, Roderick Borden Gray, Colin Grazier, Stewart Graeme Guthrie, Benjamin Gower Hardy, Roy Thomas Harris, Barbara Jane Harrison, Leonard Henry Harrison, Albert Edward Heming, George Campbell Henderson, Corporal James Hendry, William Ewart Hiscock, Vivian Hollowday, Kenneth Horsfield, Charles Henry George Howard, Murray Ken Hudson, Joseph Hughes, Noor Inayat-Khan, George Walter Inwood, Islam-ud-Din, Robert Llewellyn Jephson-Jones, Barry Johnson, Ralph Jones, Thomas Raymond Kelly, Andre Gilbert Kempster, James Stirratt Topping Kennedy, Derek Godfrey Kinne, Kirpa Ram, Simmon Latutin , Raymond Mayhew Lewin, Horace William Madden, Cyril Arthur Joseph Martin, Dudley William Mason , Lionel Colin Matthews, Arthur Douglas Merriman , Leonard John Miles, Richard Valentine Moore, William Radenhurst Mosedale, Brandon Moss, John Stuart Mould, Eric Lawrence Moxey, Michael Joseph Munnelly, Robert Laurence Nairac, Harold Reginald Newgass, Lanceray Arthur Newnham, Arthur Frederick Crane Nicholls, James William Nightall, Peter Allen Norton, Patrick Albert O'Leary, Wallace Arnold Oaks, Albert Matthew Osborne, Graham Leslie Parish, John MacMillan Stevenson Patton, Michael Kenneth Pratt, Herbert Cecil Pugh, John Alan Quinton, Abdul Rahman , Henry Herbert Reed, John Rennie , Gerald Irving Richardson, Jonathan Rogers, Sidney George Rogerson, Arthur Dwight Ross, John Samuel Rowlands, David Russell, Richard John Hammersley Ryan, Odette Sansom, James Patrick Scully , Hugh Paul Seagrim, Joseph Henry Silk, Laurence Frank Sinclair, Anthony Smith, Kenneth Smith, Bennett Southwell , Brian Spillett , Kenneth Gerald Spooner, Henry William Stevens, George Preston Stronach, Stephen George Styles, Subramanian, Hugh Randall Syme , Violette Szabo, George Anthony Morgan Taylor, Robert George Taylor, William Horace Taylor, Jenkin Robert Oswald Thompson, Stephen John Tuckwell, Norman Tunna, Geoffrey Gledhill Turner, Carl Walker, Terence Edward Waters, Michael Willetts, Stanley James Woodbridge, Mark Wright, George Cameron Wylie, Forest Frederick Edward Yeo-Thomas, St. John Graham Young Kim Dent-Brown  (Talk to me)  07:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Some of these are also on the list I've been working to fix London Gazette references, so if people could make sure they sort those out properly, it would save a bit of time when I'm going through that. David Underdown (talk) 09:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you need us to consult your list and make a note there if we update? Can you post a link here? Kim Dent-Brown  (Talk to me)  10:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops, I had meant to link it in my original post. Here User:Rich Farmbrough/Article lists/Gazette. David Underdown 23:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Another website to link to
http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14 is the search page for the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website, any GC recipient who died in either World War (and a few years after each) should have his place of burial (and/or commemoration) listed there. From what I've seen there's often some useful extra info on those awarded higher decorations. David Underdown 23:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

http://www.gc-database.co.uk which lists every GC  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.28.180 (talk) 11:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, we're already using that. However, I've just found something else that may be of interest, http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID=22&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1 allows to search for documents relating to the recommendation for awards for army personnel.  Scanned copies can then be downloaded, albeit it for a price, unless you happen to be at the National Archives.  David Underdown (talk) 18:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)