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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Libertarian Party (UK) (6th nomination)
Hey King of Hearts

Please can you look again at your no consensus decision for the above AfD? Surely with such a long running AfD as this, you have to decide whether it is notable or not, rather than choosing no consensus? This article will be brought back for its 7th deletion nomination soon enough, I'm certain of it, perhaps because I'm very likely to do it myself. If nothing else, could you relist instead of no consensus? Many thanks. doktorb wordsdeeds 04:56, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Just face it, the article won't be deleted. People have already tried five times without success. Relisting is only done when further discussion would be helpful in determining consensus, which I did not find to be the case here. All that needs to be said has been said. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:59, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I disagree, with respect. Your closing decision is "No consensus", not "keep". That suggests an element of doubt. I urge you to relist or to allow a further period of discussion in some way or other. This article has been deleted before under a different name, it most likely shouldn't have been re-created on that basis alone. Many thanks. doktorb wordsdeeds 05:06, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * In the interest of not wasting editors time by rehashing the same arguments over and over again with no conclusive result (or a "delete" result that was only obtained through luck of the draw), a "no consensus" close is meant to be binding for at least several months. Otherwise, there would be no reason to specify WP:NPASR in discussions that receive little participation; the fact that we would need to specify "no prejudice against speedy renomination" means that by default there is prejudice against speedy renomination. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 20:14, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Redirect?
How did this AFD end in a redirect when there were far more Keep votes and no consensus to redirect? Especially at the end it seems like there was a consensus to keep as the last 8 votes were 6 Keeps and 2 Redirects. Of the 16 total votes, only 5 were votes to Redirect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gina_Ortiz_Jones_%282nd_nomination%29

Lonehexagon (talk) 02:59, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I hesitate a little to question a closure that didn’t go my way but maybe best to say I’d also be grateful for more explanation? To me the close read less like an evaluation of the community discussion and more like your own opinion on the subject’s notability—to which you are entitled but as an ivoting editor rather than as a supervote close, of course... Help me see what I’m missing here? Thanks. Innisfree987 (talk) 03:37, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, I was wondering if you could take a second look at this close? Lonehexagon (talk) 16:00, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I count 7 votes to delete/redirect and 9 votes to keep, so within the discretionary range. While there is plenty of coverage of her (which the "redirect" side acknowledges), the "redirect" side made stronger arguments that her notability is only relevant in the context of the election. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 20:09, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, thanks for your reply. I only see 5 official !votes for redirect in bold on that page: LtNOWIS, XavierGreen, Enos733, Bearcat, SportingFlyer. For Keep there are 9. Additionally, the article was improved dramatically over the course of the discussion, and therefore I believe it's important to consider what people have said after the changes when determining consensus. If you look at the course of the discussion, it goes like this: Redirect, Keep, Keep, Weak Keep, Redirect, Redirect, Delete, Keep, Redirect Significant changes to article, Keep, Keep, Keep, Redirect, Keep, Keep. You mentioned that the "redirect" side made stronger arguments, but if you look at the votes, 6 of the 9 Keep votes directly quoted official policy guidelines, specifically WP:GNG. On the flip side, most of the Redirect votes don't list any guidelines, and if they do they link to unofficial essays that have not been vetted by the community. Could you take another look considering that information? I also wanted to ping since I see they were interested in this discussion, too. Lonehexagon (talk) 23:31, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes... I think what's tripping me up is that community opinion seemed quite divided on whether coverage being election focused was in fact disqualifying. I can certainly see taking a view one way or another (obviously I did!), but what's harder for me to see from either this discussion or the one just preceding is whether community consensus actually landed on one side or another. Closes would, I hope, be in the vein of "this appears to be the community's view [if in fact community consensus has been reached]" as opposed to "I think this is the correct view". I understand this can be a sticky wicket, and less easy in practice than in theory to ask someone to make a close without taking a point of view, but still, do you see why it might feel disconcerting? To make sure I'm being perfectly clear--I don't think there was consensus on my side either. Or for that matter, consensus against me, which I'd be glad to leave be and move onto other things. Rather, there seemed to be substantial disagreement and that is why I've been confused about the basis for concluding there was consensus... Innisfree987 (talk) 04:42, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey I hope you're having a good day so far. Happy Birthday! I don't mean to bug you and I realize you might not see this until tomorrow, but I was wondering if you had a chance to look at this?   Lonehexagon (talk) 17:11, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

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