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Ray Trickett/Trickitt
Hi KoH, I'm a bit late to this one, given that you've now deleted the Ray Trickett article. However, I notice that there are possibly two actors, each with a different version of the surname, and maybe the Trickitt guy has some sort of notability. Would you be able to provide me with the text of the deleted article so that I can look into it? Thanks. Silas Stoat (talk) 20:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Sent. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 07:27, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. It appears that Trickett and Trickitt may well be two different people - there are two separate records at imdb - but even if they are, they 'both' seem to be non-notable. Regards, Silas Stoat (talk) 08:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Paul Atherton AfD Relisting
Hi User:King of Hearts,

Noticed you re-listed Paul Atherton's AfD, wondering if it is because of the small number of participants in the debate or because you couldn't conclude if the subject is notable or not?

In the latter, there seems substantive evidence of the notability of the subject including his video diary being taken into the Museum of London, five films into the British Film Institute National Archive and of course the only films ever to be screened onto World Famous landmarks including Piccadilly Circus. Leicester Square and Trafalgar Square which seemingly was the original reason for having the subject on Wikipedia in the first place.

All those who've issued for Deletes have done so on the content of the article and not on the notability of the subject.

This seems to be in stark contrast to the Wikipedia guidelines on the subject.

"Notability guidelines do not apply to content within an article Shortcuts WP:NNC WP:NLISTITEM WP:NOTEWORTHY The criteria applied to the creation or retention of an article are not the same as those applied to the content inside it. The notability guidelines do not apply to contents of articles or lists (with the exception of some lists, which restrict inclusion to notable items or people). Content coverage within a given article or list (i.e. whether something is noteworthy enough to be mentioned within the article or list) is governed by the principle of due weight and other content policies. For additional information about list articles, see Notability of lists and List selection criteria."

My concern is there is much weight put on what can be found online via a Google search, which is an entirely unreliable and unrealistic position of a persons notability especially, as once notability has been established it cannot then be removed, regardless of how much coverage has been kept (or not) on Google's Cache a decade or so after an event. Surely if a Museum believes the subject is worthy of note to be collected into its permanent collection it follows that Wikipedia would?

Going through the pages edit history there seems to have been many changes over the past decade of its existence and lots of press sources removed that are no longer live on the internet after such a long period of time, but as stated previously, would still exist in the British Newspaper Archive

I seem to have triggered this whole thing off by trying to add Paul Atherton's Royal Courts of Justice Case Law change. Which I have yet to be successful in attempting to do. Although there is seemingly no clear reason why, and the Wikipedians involved to date, at least on the surface, don't seem to understand British Law - I believe that confusion is what prompted the belief that I was being biased, rather than simply stating the facts, I've therefore requested assistance from Legal Wikipedeans on the page, as you'll see.

As such, I feel somewhat responsible for the deletion request and hence my continued interest.

Out of interest, I just did a Google search using "Paul Atherton" & "Producer" and found the following four articles, I'm not sure if it's relevant, but the link in the AfD does not find them (January 2017 - March 2019) and I'd argue whilst they are not substantive, it does demonstrate the problem with search engines.


 * The Sun - | What Is Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: "...Other celebs that are believed to battle with the condition include film producer Paul Atherton"
 * The Londonist - | Things To Do Today In London: Wednesday 27 March 2019 - WITHOUT A HOME: AN EVENING WITH PAUL ATHERTON
 * The Guardian - | I allow myself a mini-wallow': how to handle rejection in the arts - "...This worked for Paul Atherton, an experienced producer and managing director. After he missed out on a “heaven sent” opportunity to co-write a play with his favourite playwright..."
 * City A.M. - | Goodbye Piccadilly: A short history of the Piccadilly Circus advertising billboards - Paul Atherton screened the only non-commercial film there, The Ballet of Change

Anyway, any feedback would be gratefully received? 144.178.8.38 (talk) 12:38, 31 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Presenting these sources to me won't do any good; you should present them in the AfD itself. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 19:07, 31 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Many Thanks King of 144.178.8.38 (talk) 11:39, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Democratic Freedom Caucus - suggestion to preserve history and re-direct to another article
In case there's still time, I'd like to suggest that the history be preserved for the Democratic Freedom Caucus entry, and that it be re-directed to another article (for example, perhaps the Libertarian Democrat article). Mab135ac (talk) 13:33, 1 April 2019 (UTC)Mab135ac

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Userfy?
Say, can you userfy the Articles for deletion/Stuart S. Janney III Janney article for me? I missed the AfD and it's possible that the article was just really poor quality. I think this fellow will pass notability as a racehorse owner, so I'd like to see if I can build upon what was there rather than recreating something from scratch. Montanabw (talk) 21:04, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Democratic Freedom Caucus - request to re-direct it
Hello - I hope I'm sending this to the right person: the closing admin for the discussion about deleting the entry for the Democratic Freedom Caucus. This Talk page looks different than the one I sent a message to four days ago, so I'm sending the message here. In case there's still time, I'd like to suggest that the history be preserved and that it be re-directed to another article (such as perhaps the article on Libertarian Democrats). Mab135ac (talk) 12:41, 5 April 2019 (UTC)Mab135ac

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