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Tech News: 2020-23
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * There is a new beta version of the Wikimedia Commons app for Android. It has a new zoom function when you look at images. It can also suggest places when you upload geotagged photos.

Problems
 * There was a problem with the Commons database on 27 May. Commons could not be edited for eight minutes. Because of this problem the database was moved. This caused another short read-only time on 29 May.
 * The Vector skin had a problem where you couldn't add links to the article in other languages. You couldn't see the section if there were no links to other languages already. It also removed content translation links and links to language settings. This has now been fixed.

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 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 June. It will be on all wikis from 4 June (calendar).

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AN
Your close at AN does not reflect consensus. Your partial block might be imposed of your own accord but there is also consensus is for a CIR-block, please amend. Ideally you should have waited for more people to give an opinion so you could've had a clear result. -- qedk ( t  愛  c ) 06:13, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I feel like we could have gone either way with this; if a full block is warranted in the end, it's easy enough to upgrade, and if the partial block is enough to get them to mend their ways, great. Anyways, there is an ongoing SPI which may make our discussion moot here, so let's wait for its conclusion. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 13:12, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Ping reminder
I noticed at WP:EFFP/R you tried to ping an IP editor. I wanted to remind you/make sure you are aware that IP editors do not receive pings, so you must use Talkback or similar on their talk page. (I created EFFPReply for this purpose, and am waiting for it to be added to Twinkle.) Best, --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 16:16, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Got it, thanks. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 16:38, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Prestige Ameritech
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Derek Chauvin
Could you restore Derek Chauvin to the last edit when it was an article and also remove the protections from the page. I think that is what it should be while a AFD is occurring and no reason not to allow edits while it is ongoing.Casprings (talk) 19:32, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Some in the DRV have raised BLP issues with the current version of the article. Therefore, I felt that it was best to err on the side of caution and preserve the redirect while it is being discussed. It's looking like the AfD will be decided based solely on notability (as with 95%+ of AfDs) as opposed to the state of the article, so there is WP:NODEADLINE and editing can resume if the article is kept. If the article is redirected, it won't be because of its current state; if there are sources you want to add then raise them in the AfD. -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 20:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-24
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Recent changes
 * Some articles have tables that can be sorted in different ways. For example a list of countries can be sorted alphabetically but you can click on the size column to sort them by size. If you clicked on the column a second time it would sort the countries from the bottom to the top instead. A third click will now take you back to the original sorting.
 * Self-closed tags now work as in the HTML5 specifications. This means you should stop using some of them.  is an example of a self-closed tag that won't work.   can be self-closed. Pages with tags that should not be self-closed have been listed in a tracking category since 2016. They will be listed in Special:LintErrors/self-closed-tag. This doesn't affect   or.
 * There is a banner called . It is for example used by the Wikivoyages, Wikimedia Russia and the Catalan, Basque, Galician and Turkish Wikipedias. It will now been seen by mobile visitors too. Before this it was only seen on desktop. The wikis should update instructions on   so that editors know to test and style for mobile too.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can now edit MassMessage descriptions through the API. This is useful for tools and gadgets.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 June. It will be on all wikis from 11 June (calendar).

Future changes
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Happy Birthday!
<div class="boilerplate metadata" style="background-color:#E6E6FA; border: 1px solid #7D00B3; margin: 0.5em auto; padding: 0.5em; width:90%; text-align: center"> Happy Birthday! Have a very happy birthday on your special day!

Best wishes, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

"Twitterjobsearch.com" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Twitterjobsearch.com. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 11 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Pandakekok9 (talk) 05:48, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Football/soccer disambiguation
I note the RFC and have supported its implementation at RMs, but there is no need to add unnecessary disambiguation when there is only one 'soccer and one 'footballer'. I have reverted your moves at Brian Bates and added hatnotes instead. GiantSnowman 14:22, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The RfC result does not make an exception for that case. Per WP:PDAB, what you're basically doing is asserting that the American soccer player is the overwhelming primary topic of "soccer" and the British footballer is the overwhelming primary topic of "footballer"; not just ordinary primary topic, but staggeringly so in the same vein as Nirvana (band) (despite the existence of other bands called Nirvana) and Thriller (album) (despite the existence of other albums called Thriller). Given that our audience is international and people do look up footballers in other countries, I don't think that standard is met.
 * Plus, if there's a British footballer and an Australian soccer player, that would be extremely problematic as it is becoming increasingly common to refer to the sport as "football" in Australia. -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 14:40, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:COMMONSENSE applies here. Nobody is going to confuse the two. Americans know the sport is 'football' around the world, and British people know 'soccer' is used in the States. (Despite 'soccer' being an archaic British term, and 'football' becoming increasingly common in the States). Oh and it's been standard for a while to disambiguate by (English footballer) and (Australian footballer) - see Tom Broadbent as an example. GiantSnowman 14:58, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That's different because Tom Broadbent (Australian footballer) is not a soccer player. But if he were, you would support (English footballer) and (Australian soccer)? -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 15:03, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If they played the same code, then yes I would (although Year of Birth is always preferable given the fluid nature of nationality in association football, following the Diego Lopez RM, where is was (correctly) moved to (soccer, born 2002) rather than (American soccer). GiantSnowman 15:12, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * American vs. British is probably the most extreme case possible; when it's between one American and one Mexican, I'm not so sure. Mexicans might not be familiar with the term "footballer" and expect the article with "soccer" to refer to their player; Americans near the border may in fact be more familiar with the Mexican footballer than their own countryman from (say) Ohio, particularly if the Mexican is more well-known. So I really wouldn't call soccer vs. footballer "common sense" at that point. And like you say, nationality is fluid and there are plenty of people who move to the U.S. from Latin America; for those people we have to pick one between "soccer" and "footballer" in the end of course, but it doesn't mean that it serves as a good disambiguator on its own. -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 15:21, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Far more common than changing nationality (Ricky Shakes has had 3!) is players from country X playing at club level in country Y. I dread the day we come across an English player active in the US and an American player active in the UK... GiantSnowman 15:24, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-25
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Recent changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg Toolforge hosts several tools created by the Wikimedia community like edit counters or enhanced editors. It is changing the domain from tools.wmflabs.org to toolforge.org. The routing scheme is moving from tools.wmflabs.org/toolname to toolname.toolforge.org. You can read the details. Tools that use OAuth will have to be updated to keep working. You can ask for help.

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 * There is a Wikidata item link in the sidebar on many pages. This disappeared for a couple of days for users who have the Monobook skin. This was because of a bug. It has now been fixed.
 * Editing, logging in and logging out didn't work properly for a short period of time last week. It was soon fixed.

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 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 June. It will be on all wikis from 18 June (calendar).

Future changes
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 * The selectors  and   will no longer work in the Vector skin. This can affect gadgets and user scripts.    should be replaced by  .   should be replaced by.

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Tech News: 2020-26
<section begin="technews-2020-W26"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * There are some new tools to make it easier for newcomers to start editing. They are available on some wikis. These wikis had a problem with the visual editor for a short period of time last week. This was because of a bug in the new tools. It was soon fixed.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Some user scripts and gadgets stopped working because of a change to CSS selectors.  should be replaced with   to fix this.

Changes later this week
 * The developers are working on a new interface to solve edit conflicts on talk pages. This will be released on 24 June. You can give feedback.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 June. It will be on all wikis from 25 June (calendar).

Future changes
 * A temporary fix helped wikis make their main pages more mobile friendly. This was in 2012. It has not been recommended since 2017. It will not work after 13 July. Wikis should use TemplateStyles instead. 91 wikis still need to fix this. You can read more and see if your wiki is affected.

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Cwf97
As demonstrated by this edit, despite having received a partial block by you for their issues with using categorization properly, Cwf97 is continuing to do so, having added a category to an article which is unsupported by the article. Please let me know if you'd rather I just warned them. DonIago (talk) 13:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It's sort of a different problem than the one they were blocked over, so I've given them a warning. -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 15:56, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! DonIago (talk) 16:03, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Please Unprotect "Triple The Mogul" Page
Hi i see you are an admin and the "Triple The Mogul" page is a protected on Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Triple_The_Mogul&action=history. From reading the AfD, i see the primary issue was lack of notability and reliable sources. However, in the past few weeks he has been in the news tremendously with his new Boxing League with famous musician Sean Kingston. Here are a few links from the New York Post, The Blast, Jerusalem Post and The Source magazine, all of which i believe properly reach the criteria for WP:BASIC. https://pagesix.com/2020/06/26/riff-raff-to-fight-in-sean-kingstons-rap-boxing-league/ https://theblast.com/c/sean-kingston-professional-boxing-league-rappers-ufc https://www.jpost.com/special-content/jewish-rapper-triple-the-mogul-teams-up-with-sean-kingston-to-start-pro-boxing-league-for-rappers-632748 https://thesource.com/2020/06/22/sean-kingston-boxing/ Can you please unprotect the page so i can edit it ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayzhizbovvs (talk • contribs) 18:04, June 26, 2020 (UTC)
 * Please reach out to instead as he is the deleting admin. -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 18:11, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * He already did, and I already told him no, because the article has repeatedly been deleted from mainspace. It needs to go through draftspace and AfC to be restored to mainspace. There is already a Draft:Triple The Mogul, which has recently been declined. BD2412  T 18:22, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * As an FYI I just blocked as a confirmed sock of .--  Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 18:44, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, there it is. BD2412  T 18:46, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Rachel Bitecofer
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Negative partisanship
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Bjork Orchestral page
Can the Bjork Orchestra page be restored? 3 concerts have been announced for August and the music press has reported on them and their upcoming live streams

< https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bjork-iceland-concerts-1021492/ >

< https://pitchfork.com/news/bjork-announces-new-orchestral-livestream-charity-performances/ >

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.3.92.67 (talk • contribs) 04:32, June 28, 2020 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, this doesn't quite look like significant coverage to me yet. -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 04:37, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, that was only 2 sources. There are more:

<https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/06/bjork-concerts-iceland-coronavirus/>

<https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/bjork-new-orchestral-livestream-performances/>

<https://www.nme.com/news/music/bjork-to-live-stream-three-orchestral-performances-in-aid-of-womens-charity-2696850>

<https://www.stereogum.com/2089481/bjork-announces-three-august-concerts-in-reykjavik/news/

plus this interview about the upcoming concerts:

<https://www.frettabladid.is/frettir/i-feluleik-islandi/?fbclid=IwAR3z8it_58zN-AtliUPT4SzvOK7QheJ8sqcH1F3iSQ_OS09uBHAESuyUJ60>

How much coverage is needed to be "significant"?


 * See WP:NTOUR: "Such coverage might show notability in terms of artistic approach, financial success, relationship to audience, or other such terms. Sources that merely establish that a tour happened are not sufficient to demonstrate notability." What I see so far from every source is merely a summary of the content of the tour, with no critical commentary or an explanation of why the tour is exceptional. -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 20:41, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, for one thing it's going to be the first performance by a major international artist with a live audience since the start of the coronavirus, not to mention that Bjork is utilizing over 100 musicians that she has performed with over the course of her 28 year solo career with each night showcasing different musical pallets (choir, then strings, then brass + flutes) and unique set lists from her extensive back catalog. All of this information is covered in these articles, not to mention the fact that these shows will also be charity live streams in support of women's shelters all over the world, which is also a point covered in the various articles.

Not to mention (yet again) that these concerts are allowed to go on because the country of Iceland has effectively wiped out the coronavirus:

< https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/06/08/how-iceland-beat-the-coronavirus >

< https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/iceland-reopens-coronavirus/index.html >

All of this information seems noteworthy for a wikipedia article by a popular musician

So I'm not really understanding why this article can't be reinstated and updated to reflect this relevant information

I'm gonna go ahead and create a new wikipedia page for the tour. The spelling of the show has changed anyway

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Tech News: 2020-27
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Problems
 * Everyone was logged out. This was because a few users saw the wikis as if they were logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now.
 * Some readers didn't see new edits to pages. If the page had been recently changed they saw an older version of the page instead. This only affected readers who were logged out. It lasted for ten days. It has been fixed.

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 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 July. It will be on all wikis from 1 July (calendar).

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg The Modern and Monobook skins use the ID  for the go button. This is   for Vector. To have the same ID for all skins it will change to   in Monobook and Modern too. This will affect gadgets and user scripts. It will happen on 23 July. They should be updated to use  . You can read more and see a list of affected scripts.

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Afd closure
Hi, you recently closed Articles for deletion/Bitit (French company) as "no consensus" but I think you've misunderstood where we'd got to in the discussion. You say that it hinges on whether the first two references meet ORGIND which is a requirement for references to meet the criteria for establishing notability according to WP:NCORP guidelines. I pointed out to Freaintanl, who !voted to Keep, that the sources failed the second part of the "Independence" test of ORGIND to meet the criteria for notability and Freaintanl's response was Thank you for the detail explanation and I checked that you mentioned the second point of WP:ORGIND i.e. "Independence of the content" and the references I used satisfy the 1st point i.e. "Independence of the author" because these are regular staff reporters not guest posts or opinions. In other word, he agreed that they fail ORGIND because they only satisfy the first part of the test (Independence of the Author) and not the second (Independence of the Content). He then asked me to check other sources which is where it has been left. I think you misunderstood where the discussion was - there was an acceptance that the references failed "Independence of the Content" and you closed as "No Consensus". There isn't still a debate over ORGIND for those two sources, it has been conceded that they fail. Can you take a look? <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 16:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I've relisted the AfD. -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 16:26, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Also, I wasn't aware of WP:RSP until you mentioned, very useful. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 16:31, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

WC
Hello King of Hearts, could you fulfill my request. It's just to get rid of the massive upload history. I plan on re-uploading but the completed/final version after deletion, Thank you. Jerm (talk) 18:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of a way to suppress the preventive upload function. If the latest one is the final version you want, I can just delete everything else and leave that up. -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 18:19, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, the latest version is the final. Jerm (talk) 18:21, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Please remember to cite your sources for the Venus of Milo and the barnstar. -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 18:24, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you and I'll go ahead and cite the files. Jerm (talk) 18:26, 30 June 2020 (UTC)