User talk:King of the North East/Archive6

Notable former players discussion
User:Fasach_Nua has opened up this discussion Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football which you should voice your opinion on. I'm ambivalent at this point. -- Alexf42 22:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see you had commented already. -- Alexf42 22:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As you have gathered, I find the sections useful and informative, I believe it is important to establish a methodology and consensus to improve these sections, in order to stop the edit warring and bickering on the subject. Many such attempts to establish consensus have failed on much more tedious and trivial issues, such as whether to include F.C. in the infobox header, so there is little realistic prospect of success. I still want to try though. Keep in touch mate. E  P  22:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject Films roll call and coordinator elections
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Re:Template to be deleted
Done. Mariano (t/c) 07:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Agustín Pelletieri
Please help monitor the article Agustín Pelletieri. There have been tons of edits lately (probably by the same person), who keeps changing his birthday from 1982 to 1983 (not true according to the sources), says that he's played in major international tournaments for Argentina (definitely not true), and links him to various clubs (not even appear to be legit "rumours"). I've also removed the part about him being capped at the under-20 level; while I cannot prove that's incorrect, no sources are given either. You can add it back if that turns out to be true. Chanheigeorge (talk) 01:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

RE
Thanks, and congratulations for your work in all Argentine-related football articles. I'm sorry I'm having less time to edit these days but I'll try to keep helping with the easiest stuff (updating squads). Greets. Fache (talk) 20:29, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Dab Page
The reason I removed the link is that I'm currently working to make that disambiguation page redundant. It is a high priority on the list to remove unnecessary disambiguation pages. "European Cup" is a term which should not link to anywhere as it is too unspecific. if people with to use the term "European Cup" then it should be by directing it to the specific tournament they are referring to...or if they mean just generic European Cups then it shouldn't be wiki-linked at all. I'll leave it to you to remove the link for now, but if it's still there when I'm finished working my way through the list then I'll remove it again. Thanks djdannyp 08:42, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films coordinator elections - voting now open!
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Bicycle kick
Is there any way that you can review the article, I have a concern with the overall length and validity of the Peruvian claim section, and neutral editors are needed for assistance. Selecciones de la Vida (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Lima Cricket & Football Club
Let me permit the writing of this message involve quoting what you stated and me giving a reply to each of your statements:

"The institution may have been founded in 1845 but reference 4 gives a date of 1893 which post dates many south american teams."

The source that states "the club" was originally founded in 1845 clearly defines the name of the organization at that point as "Salon de Comercio." The same source also states it acted as a sports organization, but it did not mention any specific sports or if they had an official sort of team. Similarly, neither did I state they did when I wrote it in the article.

The date of reference 4 that claims 1893 might as well be considered incorrect. According to the official Lima Cricket website, they were founded in 1859. The "Salon de Comercio" of 1845 was pretty much, in other words, what served as the base for the future creation of Lima Cricket (therefore still important to mention of its prior existance). Now, that does not mean reference 4 is completely incorrect. Since Lima Cricket's official website is a superior source, it simply means that the date in "reference 4" is not correct.

"Please do not re-add the information without providing a reliable source that football was played here before 1867."

According to the official Lima Cricket website, they have a sports foundation of football, rugby, and cricket starting from the year 1859. That is the most reliable source that you'll ever find on the matter.

"Simply taking the foundation date of the institution is not acceptable, doing this would make the institution the oldest football club in the world predating the officially recognised oldest club Sheffield F.C. by 12 years."

You're incorrect. Sheffield was founded in 1857. Lima Cricket was "founded" in 1859.

If you wish to continue the discussion, feel free to do so using my talk page. On the other hand, if you find what I'm stating an understandable response, then please re-include the information you deleted from the article.--MarshalN20 (talk) 23:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This reliable source states that the first recorded game of football in Peru occurred in 1892. The Lima Cricket and Football Club‎ website is non-nuetral,therefore less reliable that the neutral source. if you wish to use the Lima Cricket and Football Club article to boast about football in Peru predating football elsewhere on the continent plaese find a relaible source that gives an account of a football match played in Peru before 1867. E  P  23:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

"The Lima Cricket and Football Club‎ website is non-nuetral,therefore less reliable that the neutral source."

The Lima Cricket and Football Club is an organization of much prestige in Peru. In their website they state that they have documentation that certifies their claim that in 1859 they were a club that practiced football, rugby, and cricket. If such a thing were false, then the Peruvian government would have already fined them for lying.

Furthermore, if according to the other websites of the other football clubs they were founded on the dates they said they were founded, their claims are just as valid as that of Lima Cricket's 1859 date.

"if you wish to use the Lima Cricket and Football Club article to boast about football in Peru predating football elsewhere on the continent plaese find a relaible source that gives an account of a football match played in Peru before 1867."

According to the book you cite, the first recorded football match happened in 1867. In that same book they never state that this was the first football match. They simply state that it was the "first recorded." I'm sure you know enough about the English language to know the difference between both things.--23:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarshalN20 (talk • contribs)


 * 1) You clearly believe that you own the Peru section of the Bicycle Kick article constantly reverting other peoples edits. The long section you keep reinserting adds nothing to the article, it just fills out the section, there is no equivelent on the origins of football in Italy, the oldest club in Italy the most important seaport in Italy, etc. The the Italian claim is clearer and more consise for the ommission of such needless information.
 * 2) You left this on my talkpage, it is misleading According to the book you cite, the first recorded football match happened in 1867. In that same book they never state that this was the first football match. They simply state that it was the "first recorded." I'm sure you know enough about the English language to know the difference between both things. The book I cited actually stated "soccer arrived in Peru in the 1880s aboard an english ship", "the first recorded football match took place in 1892" and "In 1893 two exclusive soccer clubs were formed, Lima Cricket and Football Club.... and Unión Cricket". This contradicts your wishful interpretation of what the book says.
 * 3) Whenever someone makes changes you dont like, you revert without discussion, make false accusations of vandalism and/or rant on their talkpages instead of trying to engage anyone in discussion you tell them that they are wrong, misquoting or misinterpreting things in the process see point 2. Your manner is confrontational and patronising. Please read up on Wikipedia policies such as WP:CON, WP:CIVIL, WP:3RR, WP:SOCK and WP:SELFPUB.

- E P  23:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Look, you little insignificant worm. My contributions to Wikipedia are simply aimed at improving the quality of this website and at providing factual information in order to uncover the truth out of controversial topics. Nonetheless, after all the hard work I do to improve articles, gather sources, gather pictures, and all other sort of information; I end up getting back-handed by a bunch of imbeciles that, like you, think you're some sort of "bad boys" of Wikipedia and that with your self-given title of "respected editors" you can and have a right to act as if you were professionals of this website. I do not have to bow down to any of your stupid comments that try to make me seem as if I was some biased freak. Also, I have every single God-given right to state the information I provide to Wikipedia is information that I gathered. I am the one that has taken the time to search throughout the internet for sources, for information, and for other things important and relevant to the section. Still, if I dare mention that I am the provider of such sources I get blamed of being selfish and, yet again, a biased freak. Yet, to further contribute to the irony of things, in the Bicycle Kick article I get attacked by a biased group of people led by a guy from Chile that firmly believes that the bicycle kick was invented in Chile and that the Peruvian claim holds no foundation and is a piece of crap. If you take some time to read the article you'll see the user "Selecciones de la Vida" is the biased person that has been constantly attacking the Peruvian section. Still, you take sides with him to work against the Peruvian section under the claim that it is "too long" and "unecessary." Without trying to make a direct comparisson, it would be like saying some sections in the Bible are longer than others and therefore should be truncated in order to fit the size of the other sections! But you know what, I really do have better things to do than to argue with you or any other of the "respected editors" of Wikipedia (the free encyclopedia). I already did as much as a "biased freak" like me can apparently do in the article before the "respected editors" gang up on me. I really do hope you someday understand the mistake you're making. Until then, happy editings "respected editor."--MarshalN20 (talk) 16:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You clearly didn't read WP:CIVIL did you? E  P  22:33, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

lol. "Respected Editor," if you think I've insulted you in the past post, then you certainly have never been truly insulted by anyone. That probably must have come as your all-might status as a "Respected Editor" and how people supposedly tremble before you. I'm not apologizing for what I wrote, because I don't have to show any sort of respect to people who don't show any respect to me either. FYI, I've also done a series of contributions to Wikipedia, and yet I don't go into other people's talk pages with the "airs of the high and mighty" and disrespect them for the sake of proving my point. Of course, with you thinking of yourself as a "Respected Editor," it must be very hard for you to understand the concept of respect to others below your "rank in British society." lol.--MarshalN20 (talk) 12:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If you re-read what I said, Mariano, Nanonic and Selecciones are the respected editors, please ensure that you actually understand what people are saying before you start ranting on. If you have nothing but barely comprehensible drivel and weak insults to offer in defence of your position, I recomend that you keep quiet. Now could you please desist from drivelling on my talkpage. Thank you. E  P  13:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * (As written by English peasant): "If you re-read what I said, Mariano, Nanonic and Selecciones are the respected editors, please ensure that you actually understand what people are saying before you start ranting on." lol. (My Reply): Okay, go ahead with your little Mafia, "Respected Editors."--MarshalN20 (talk) 15:11, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and just so you know, the respected editor "Selecciones de la Vida" at several points decided to use his IP address (instead of his username) to act as a different person. This went on to the point that his IP address was temporarily banned due to vandalism in the article. Now, if that's what you consider a "Respectable Editor," then that just simply shows how much you know about this. Here's the IP Address that he uses to act as a secondary person: 96.242.82.74. Look for it in the Bicycle Kick discussion and you'll even find that he had the indecency to use it directly against me. So much for "respectable." lol.--MarshalN20 (talk) 16:18, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Please stop hurling around unsubstantiated allegations. If you suspect misconduct you should provide diffs as evidence and if you suspect sock-puppetry you should Request checkuser. Making unsubstantiated allegations, being rude, aggressive, sarcastic and misrepresenting other peoples intentions do nothing but damage your argument further. Have you nothing better to do here than post on my talkpage? E  P  19:03, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How childish of you. If we're holding a discussion, obviously I must post in your talk page. For a "respected editor" you certainly don't know how to hold a discussion. If you don't want people posting discussions in your talk page then go talk about it with the real Wikipedia administrators, as apparently "respected editors" such as yourself don't hold anymore power than simple old me.--MarshalN20 (talk) 23:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Nereo Champagne
Hi! His career stats in the infobox starts when he was 22 years old, do you have access to any info before 2007? Thanks, Punkmorten (talk) 17:40, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

re:Current squad / navbox
Hm, looks like a good idea, though not that simple to implement. I'm currently kinda bussy, but I'll try to do something about ASAIC. Take care, Mariano (t/c) 20:47, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Current squad / navbox template
In response to your request at Requested templates, I have put put together something similar to what you wanted. It would allow the current football squad templates, which are navigation boxes designed for transclusion in player articles, to be modified show they could also output a list format for transclusion in the team articles. Here's an example of how it will work:



I designed it using a multiple template format similar to the existing table templates (fb start, football squad player, etc.) and navbox templates {{{tl|football squad}}, football squad2 player, etc.). I'm still tinkering with it, but I will let you know when it is live and ready to use. -- Zyxw (talk) 07:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I was just starting to work on this when I thought it was best to take a look at your talkpage. Great work, Zyxw!. Mariano (t/c) 08:09, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * To Mariano, thanks. To EP, sorry I haven't answered you sooner. The squad templates such as Arsenal de Sarandí squad will default to a navbox so none of the player articles will need to be changed (I've updated the example above to show this).  I have some ideas about creating a single template to implement the squad list, instead of the multiple template method currently used. This has a few advantages such as being easier to edit and less prone to breaking if not laid out properly. By doing it as a single template I could also allow previewing the output of both the navbox format and the list format before saving any changes (the current method only allows previewing the navbox format; you can't see what the list format looks like until after the changes are saved). I hope to have the template and documentation complete within a few days and I'll leave note here when it is ready. -- Zyxw (talk) 13:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Bicycle kick
Hi Alex, I have tried very hard to remain calm and civil in the face of user:MarshalN20s rudeness, personal attacks and near constant misrepresentations of my words and motivations (on my talkpage and on Talk:Bicycle kick). Could you please have a look the Peruvian section of the article and the talkpage discussion if you can spare the time. Could you review the conduct of the involved editors (myself included), kind regards E  P  19:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I just read some of the discussion at the Talk page for the article and your exchange with him in his and your Talk pages. I see a candidate for Dispute Resolution and I see gross incivility by User:MarshalN20. I am not knowledgeable on the subject of Peruvian football history to give an informed opinion at this point on who's right but the tone has to come down. I left a notice on his Talk page to the effect. If need be the page may have to be protected for a short while to cool things down, though I always consider that a last resort. Have you posted this to FOOTY for other knowledgeable football editors to comment on? You should. -- Alexf42 19:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Primera B Nacional Argentina
Hi English peasant, I was wondering if I should create a Primera B Nacional 2008-09‎ article or if I should create a section on the 2008-09 in Argentine football‎. what you think? I ask 'cause you are one of the few people that care about Argentine football articles. Bocafan76 (talk) 00:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Maradona's Birth place
Hey, you recently undid my revision of Maradona's birthplace. I know he was raised in Villa Fiorito, but he was born in Lanus. According to the spanish Wikipedia he was born the Hospital "Policlínico Evita de Lanús", so that would technically mean that he was born in Lanus. Ricardoread (talk) 01:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, if you need self assurance you can visit http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2007/11/30/01553519.html Ricardoread (talk) 02:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Concern
I agree with you, and with viewing the latest posting on the Bicycle kick discussion board by MarshalN20, it's fair to say that we need to take this to Dispute resolution. Please, don't respond to anymore of his unproductive accusations. You have been following wikipedia policy closely and it would be unconstructive for both of us to further react from any more improper provocations. Let us both use this other venue, and have further neutral editors decide for themselves, because quite frankly he's making a bad situation worse. You have been on the right track asking for assistance from other users, and have left a trail that signifies a genuine and legitimate reason for wanting consensus. The best course of action would be to continue that track. Selecciones de la Vida (talk) 16:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Football in Argentina
Hey, there's to be simply put, a great deal of information regarding the development of the sport in Argentina that just needs to be included. An example would be the addition of content about football under Peron that is highly informative and helps explain how the national team was kept away from participating in international tournaments as the sport continued to develop domestically. The article could also include a media section with a reference to sport publications such as El Grafico and Clarin. As for simple enjoyment, in case you haven't watched this episode of the English program The Real Football Factories: International I am sending you the link. http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+real+football+factories+argentina&hl=en&emb=0&aq=4&oq=the+real+football+factories# If the right video doesn't pop up click on the one featuring 44 minutes that should be on the left side. Selecciones de la Vida (talk) 00:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Discussions
Okay. I replied to those two articles. Have a great day.--MarshalN20 (talk) 00:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

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Date of birth missing vs Year of birth missing
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Balbuena
Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 17:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC) The guy with the tash? Looks like a cross betweeb Tosh from The Bill and Jack Russell the England wicket keeper? Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 17:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, I couldn't figure out which one he was supposed to be, it's remarkable that there is so little information available on Argentine players of his calibre. Imagine an English player with 4 European Cup titles a member of a World Cup squad and the scorer of an intercontinental Cup winning goal not having a Wikipedia article, or any non-subscription internet profile. E  P  18:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Cut and paste move of Shinichi Osawa
Hello, EP! Could I bother you with non-football related question? I think I've might stumbled on a cut and paste move of Shinichi Osawa. Even if I agree with the rationale for the "move", I know this is not how to do it. I'm not sure how to solve the problem though, so perhaps you could give me some hints on how I should do or where I should turn? Thankfully, Sebisthlm (talk) 18:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks a lot and sorry to bother you with such an obvious question. I should probably have been able to find that article if I had looked around a bit more. I also feel I've neglecting WP:Argentine football, I hope I'll find some time and energy for it soon. Thanks again, Sebisthlm (talk) 16:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)