User talk:Kingboyk/Archive 14

 before the  line? — Mets 501 (talk) 01:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That was it,  did the trick :-). Working great now, will start tagging very soon... — Mets 501  (talk) 01:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I think you're back from Wikibreak now :-) You may want to remove the sign from the top of your talk page. — Mets 501 (talk) 02:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Worked for me. Skip ought to default to False. I'll run that in the debugger just to find out what's happening... yeah, Skip comes in as False (the default for a boolean, which can never be null) and is returned as False if not otherwise set to True. That's bizarre but, well, whatever works for you! :) I'm trying to cut down on wiki work and concentrate on articles only, plus I might have to disappear for a while so I'll leave the notice for now. --kingboyk 10:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Good one!

 * Lol, thanks very much! --kingboyk 13:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Respect
You know what you are talking about, and you say it in such a succint way. I thank you. --andreasegde 21:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Film
I was wondering if you could add some syntax into the template to automatically assess articles as stubs (if they do not yet have an assessment) on the assessement scale if they use a stub template... I've been trying to do it and can't seem to find a way, any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cbrown1023 00:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you populating your category in AWB with the articles in that stub category? --plange 22:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * What? I was wondering if he could use something like the stubclass template for our project. I can't seem to get it to work, when I tried it, the template would not remove itself from the pages and it was added to articles that already had a rating. Cbrown1023 23:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The best way would be to add an auto=yes parameter, like in WPBiography and several other templates. Then load my plugin and load the "Film generic template.xml" file. Click auto-stub in template properties to tell the plugin that the template has an auto=yes parameter. Then to rate articles as stub class automatically, click auto-stub in the Configuration box. It will only add class=Stub and auto=yes to talk pages which don't already have a rating. --kingboyk 23:58, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I've done the template code for you. Will update the XML file in the next release of the plugin, but you don't need to wait - just follow the instructions above. --kingboyk 16:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Thin Lizzy Talk Page
Hi there. I feel you might just have cut out a bit too much on the Thin Lizzy Talk, you see it cut's straight into a passage which I made. The only troll on that page is the user AlfredG who appears to poke fun at any kind of music he doesn't like. I am sure we can wipe him off and keep the rest of it on. You think so? Evlekis 19:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * There's no need to keep replies to him, nor discussion about whether Thin Lizzy were a one hit wonder (they weren't). But, if you want to selectively restore sensible comments, go right ahead - thanks for asking. --kingboyk 19:22, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Surinam Airways Flight PY764
I don't know if you are aware, but I left a reply to your comments on the FA nom on the above article, which included questions I have related to how it could be improved, To save you finding it again (you probably aren't watching the page) my comments were as follows:

As above - I would love to do something to sort out the lack of inline citations, as there are plenty of cited sources, but, again - what is an inline citation? As for the photo, is it possible to find a fair use rational for a photo of the accident aircraft from when it was in service? It would definatly be possible to find such an image.

I would like answers to these questions, as I am determined to act on any suggestions for how the article could be improved. I look forward to your reply - on my/the article's talk page please, or on the nomination page. Thanks in advance for your time! - Blood red sandman 17:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Replied at the FAC. --kingboyk 10:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Apologies
Hey, I'm sorry I didn't rate those articles correctly. It won't happen again. Regards, Ajaxfan 01:39, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries, thanks for letting me know. --kingboyk 10:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Whaddya mean... "Wikibreak"?
There is a Newsletter needing substance, young man...! Oh, well!LessHeard vanU 15:52, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Surprise me! :) --kingboyk 15:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Kingbotk for WP:Indonesia
Hi how are you? Please read on the bot's talk page. I want to use is as soon as possible. Do we need to submit some request or stuff like that? As I saw different projects have different plugins (or whatever you call that :P). I also have difficulties downloading the plugin. Cheers -- I   mo   eng  10:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

John Dee - "Bio template is a killer every time"
Hi Sandy. If that pagename is consistently causing you problems, let's set up a WP: shortcut. WP:BIOT, WP:BIOTODO, WP:BIOTD are all available, you fancy any of those? --kingboyk 21:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not the page name so much as it is so hard to edit that page, with everything run together the way it is. Any ideas?  I always add the items wrong there.  Sandy 21:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Plange has been very patient with me :-) I think I know how to solve the problem now.  I'm doing everything with a new and much easier method, since I now have all the "Lacking inline citations" list on a spreadsheet, and I had the wrong link in my spreadsheet.  Also, now that I've edited that page a few times, I think I may get it right next time.  My spreadsheet is making it easier:  I'll see how it goes next time before I trouble Plange again.  Thanks ! Sandy 21:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

About time....

 *  Thanks Martin, that's really nice of you. --kingboyk 19:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The Fluke references are looking better already - although I now have a shed load to rewrite! Martin Hinks 16:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Drini and Drinibot
Sorry to bother you, but I noticed a category (Entertainers who died in their 40's) has been removed from John Lennon and another article that I watch. I went back to the discussion for the deletion nom to find there was a "No Consensus" tag. I thought that meant that the category shouldn't be deleted? Is this vandalism? The talk page for the User made little sense, although I put a polite request to stop there. Cheers.LessHeard vanU 19:32, 2 October 2006 (UTC) I'm also pestering Lar with this, if you are busy.
 * It's best not to bandy about the word "vandalism" when dealing with established users, something like "being overly bold" might be better :) As it happens, it looks like it was closed as delete: Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_September_24. --kingboyk 19:35, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * As long as it is understood that Attila was being "overly bold" when "remodelling Rome by means of fire" (this quip would have worked better if I could have remembered a notable member of the Vandal tribe), then I demur. I looked at the votes and saw that there were plenty of keeps, at least enough to not be a concensus for Delete, but it appears that Drini declared the result; and launched his bot. Whatever; it is an internal matter and I shan't get further involved.LessHeard vanU 19:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No no, you're quite entitled to query a close, but what I was getting at was that his edits at least appear to be entirely legit :) If you wish to query the close as "delete" it's perfectly OK to do so - WP:DRV is your port of call. Hope that helps. --kingboyk 19:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

May I chime in? I think the bot edit summaries are pretty clear where to find the discussoin, and yes, I see that there are several keeps, yet it mut be remembered that CFD is not a vote (Wikipedia is not a democracy). So I gaufged the arguments, while the keepers reasons were along the lines of "I like it", "it's ridiculous", "iti nterests me", there wer a few goood arguments on the delete side "death age is not as relevant as birtyear" (osomec), "Categories are not a database" (pvel ), so consensus was for closing as delete, which I did. -- Drini 20:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I have now been pointed at all the right places and I concur it is legit - and this is the third page on which I am apologising (grin). (Had I been in on the discussion I would have commented that early deaths are notable in that the individual may have contributed further in that field had they lived, but since I wasn't my views will remain unknown.)LessHeard vanU 20:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

GA Nominations
Thank you for all your Good Article nominations. We would be very appreciative if you would also consider grading some (that you have not nominated). This would be very helpful because, as you can see, we have many nominations and that list should be cut down. Thank you, Cbrown1023 22:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * "We"? Who's we?


 * I've failed one already today and left notes on 2 others. Do your research! --kingboyk 22:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I just noticed that you were making lots and lots of changes on the page and saw that you were adding a lot. I'm sorry if I offended you at all, thank you for your contributions.  In fact, I've seen all the different things you contribute to, I was just giving you a suggestion that was obviously unwaranted because of all your other contributions.  I was actually just referring to that page, not all the other things that you were doing, but you are right, you have tons of things under your belt.  I'm just wondering, do you do Wikipedia all day, or do you have a different job (because of all your contributions). Cbrown1023 23:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Vote here for kingboy as a paid editor! :p Martin Hinks 07:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes please, get the fighting fund started Martin! :) --kingboyk 10:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Preventing account prevention
I randomly came across your block summary of "Whoops, no reason to prevent account creation" here. I thought I'd better let you know that, afaik, that option has no effect when blocking registered users, only when blocking IPs. That's what was said by the developers when the new feature was introduced anyway. Petros471 10:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah OK, thanks for letting me know, might save some wasted time :) Cheers! --kingboyk 10:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Album spectrum vote update.
Hello,

This is to inform you that the recent vote to update the spectrum used for album infoboxes passed. However, there are some follow-on discussions to fine tune one or two of the categories. Any constructive feedback you can provide would be greatly appreciated. --Cheers, Folajimi (leave a note) 13:40, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Hippie comeback in the UK
Hi Kingboyk. I am trying to provide sources that verify the continuing vitality of the hippie movement in the UK after 1970, which other editors have also attested to, so I suspect it's true. Not sure when the two events you mentioned occurred--can you provide dates? Also can you provide sources for information regarding this topic--news stories from the era, books that discuss the matter, and so on?

Of particular concern: Do we know if the hippie movement in the UK continued uninterrupted? In the United States, hippiedom pretty much lost steam during the 1970's as a visible social movement.

Some might claim that the events to which you refer were "neo-hippie" happenings. Do you think this is true? Thanks. Founders4 16:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, your last statement is probably true. I was at the Glastonbury Festival in 1992 and whilst in some ways it was like Woodstock-revisited it was of course a different era. LSD had made a comeback, and so had tie dye clothing and long hair, but the soundtrack wasn't wholly psychedelic rock nor was the ethos the same as the 1960s incarnation. Dance music, in particular, was very important by then (and even stole its name from 60s hippie gatherings - the "rave").


 * I wouldn't say there was an uninterrupted mainstream hippie movement; punk rock made it deeply unfashionable for a while (ironically, the later new age travelling/rave music scene looked to punk for inspiration, too). Then in the 1980s, a travelling subcult emerged with regular, illegal free festivals. These fused with the emerging rave music scene, which had elements of hippiedom but was rather more "hardcore" and drug orientated. The Castlemorton Common Festival was pretty much the peak of this movement; the government stamped it out soon after.


 * Some pertinent links might include: Crusty, Rave music, new age travellers, Castlemorton Common Festival, Stonehenge Free Festival, Ozric Tentacles, Back to the Planet, Glastonbury Festival, Spiral Tribe...


 * I'm glad you want citations :), but I'm not really able to provide them. The crusty/travelling/neo-hippy movement got some coverage in NME and so on (including, I recall, a front cover), and a great deal of mainstream press coverage when the "Convoy" became a political issue - if you could get access to a premium newspaper search archive which covers the late 80s and early 90s I'm sure you'd find plenty. You'd be searching primarily for "new age" rather than "hippy" though. There was a book, I think it was called A Time To Travel, and no doubt plenty of academic papers and so on. Certainly these people were often called "hippies" and the movement drew on hippiedom for some of its inspiration, but I hope you can find some good sources for this and then you can make up your own mind :)


 * Of course the revival was somewhat shortlived; Nirvana and their ilk put rock back on the agenda, and the draconian Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 forced most of the "new age" travellers off the road. Nonetheless, I think if you dig deep enough you'd find many useful sources. I hope one day to get to some of these sources myself and beef up the new age travellers article - there's an interesting story to be told. --kingboyk 17:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much--great answer!Founders4 18:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Rocky Review
First of all thanks for the review, I'd just like to clear up that in the Production section each paragraph, bar the last is cited to Stallone and the video commentary, I belive this was done by another user in keeping with the new inline citations rules. I will work on finding some other sources for things like the Ken Norton thing and hopefully 4's a charm

†he Bread 06:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Comments on "stub" rating?
Hi there. I created an article re: Carmen (Rock Band) --you've rating it a "stub" (I guess your 'bot did) and inserted a lack of references note. I note that "stub" rating is supposed to be accompanied by comments, but I can't find any. If changes need making, let me know, but (1) this was a minor band, mostly of interest due to members who went on to play with other famous acts--a lengthy article would be too much fluff (2) the only real reference to be made is the fans' website, already provided. Truddick 18:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The article you mention is a red link, but I'll try to find it. My bot doesn't insert "references needed" tags. If you disagree with a Stub rating, (hopefully) clear and (certainly) prominent instructions are given about how to change it. --kingboyk 18:17, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, it's Carmen (rock band). The sources tag was added 2 months ago by a (human) editor. --kingboyk 18:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

AWB plugin for assessments
Hi, I was wondering how the AWB plugin was working for assessments. Have you got it tweaked to get rid of bugs and to get it working the way you like? If so (a) thank you once again for your wonderful work in this area and (b) could you write a couple of sentences about it for the Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Using_the_bot page - we should ensure that it's used by as many people as possible. Thanks, Walkerma 03:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi. The mass-tagging features are of course well tested, but I personally haven't tested the assessments feature in anger. Of course I give every bit of code a try, and throw a few strange things at it (misformatted tags, hitting buttons in an ununusual sequence etc) but in no way can I say that I have tested it thoroughly. Basically, I don't have a fast connection, and I don't do assessments one after the other, so I've not really had a need for it.


 * User:Plange reported a bug. I fixed it, and that was the last I heard...


 * Hey, if you fancy trying it yourself go right ahead :)


 * I don't plan any new releases just yet, but I do have a few new features planned for release some time. In the meantime I'm happy to fix any bugs which show up or make small tweaks as needed. HTH. --kingboyk 19:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Is this speedy-able?
Hi kingboy,

I am going through the Articles needing context category and stumbled upon this article Aozora_Bunko. There is nothing wrong with this aticle, but the author has created pages A-Z listings of the material that they host. Can this be speedily deleted under: "11. Blatant spam. Pages that exist only to promote a company, person, product, service or group." If not I will tag all the pages with "prod" but thought I'd ask.

Martin Hinks 09:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The spam criterion is new. I only heard about it yesterday on User talk:JzG, and when I went to check the criteria that one had been removed. Whether it's back up now or not I don't know.


 * Anyway, I certainly would decline to speedy that. It doesn't look on the face of it to be a commercial, or a commercial site (but the site has adverts). I'd send it to AFD in the hope that some of our Japanese friends can shed some light on it. In the meantime just remove the A-Z listing. --kingboyk 19:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Rocky
Thankyou for the review, I can now take my long overdue Wikibreak

†he Bread 23:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Enjoy your wikibreak - but keep an eye out for more sources won't you. --kingboyk 10:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Geddes Template
Why'd you delete my music box template for? :( RomeoVoid 02:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If you let me know the exact page we're talking about I can check the log and tell you. Offhand I don't know, sorry. --kingboyk 10:28, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Bots and such

 * Definitely well-deserved! You've made things so much easier to tag!! --plange 05:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's truly an honour, and totally unexpected (not sure it's entirely deserved either :)). Thanks ever so much, I really appreciate it. --kingboyk 12:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well done Steve. ++Lar: t/c 13:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Remember when you proposed I start a WikiProject on New Wave music?
Um, yeah. I kinda took that seriously.  BTW, that's a temporary project page until I see I have enough support from the proposal I made on the WikiProject proposal page. Which, hopefully, will happen. Crossing my fingers. (Krushsister 05:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC))
 * I'm sorry but I don't remember that at all! I have a quite appalling memory :( Anyway, no matter, that's good news indeed - I'll check it out. Good luck with the WikiProject. You might want to announce it at WP Albums, Songs and Musicians too :) --kingboyk 09:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Protecting children's privacy
Hi. You contributed to the discussion at Protecting children's privacy. If you have the time and interest, I'm asking contributors to past a brief summary of their position on the proposal here, thanks.

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 6, October 2006

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Cites
I don't really have much time to spend on Wikipedia due to a hectic schedule. I wish to add the odd inline citation to Beatles articles, but things I'm finding hard to obtain and need to establish are the;


 * Interview heading, eg "Sir Paul Rides Again"
 * Magazine Issue Number, eg. Rolling Stone № 985

Are there any online places which provide such detail in interviews that've been uploaded? I can find some interviews, but not the detailed info required for an inline citation (least in my eyes). LuciferMorgan 21:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * In general terms, I don't know, sorry. If you want help with anything specific, I'll try to help. In the meantime I'd advise posting at one or more of the music noticeboards. User:Derek Bullamore might be worth asking too (except that's red... hmm... what's his name?? :)). --kingboyk 10:31, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you mean User:Derek R Bullamore.LessHeard vanU 12:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)