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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 7, November 2006

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter Issue 8, December 2006

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 9, January 2007

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Kindly restore the following pages
'''I request that content of following pages be restored for temporary basis. I have some very important information that i compiled over last few months. I'll highly appreciate your assistance.


 *  India
 *  Australia
 *  Paintings
 *  others
 *  Chandigarh

Please send me an email when the pages are available so i can get the content. I promise i'll get rid of the pages immediately after. Also i apologize for ignorance.

Thanks, Sameer (sameer81@gmail.com)'''

Setting up a music wiki
A while back I mentioned that I was thinking of setting up a music wiki, to provide greater detail than is acceptable on Wikipedia, less stringent fair use criteria (i.e. fair use per law not per some Stallmanesque philosophy), a lower notability threshold, some scope for "fan" type discussions, and so on. I've been working on a plan (which is somewhat more involved than a vanilla Mediawiki). If you're here to leave me a message about the music wiki idea, please email me. This is a project which will very much work alongside Wikipedia and not against it, but I don't want to post the ideas here yet until I have something more concrete. Watch this space or contact me. Cheers --kingboyk 13:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 10, February 2007

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WikiProject The Beatles/Policy
I have gone ahead, been Bold, and amended the Project policy to reflect that the lowercase 't' in the Beatles argument has won the day. No opposing argument was put forward despite a comment in Newsletter 9 and a reference in Newsletter 10, and the authorities provided for lowercase were compelling. As co-Founder, even though appearing dormant regarding the Project, you should be made aware of this change in case you come across it in your reading.LessHeard vanU 22:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I'm happy to go with which ever argument has won the day, consistency is all I ask for. --kingboyk 09:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Peel artists category for deletion
Hi - it is currently likely the category for artists who recorded Peel Sessions may be deleted. I think you contributed or supported it at one time. If you support keeping it please contribute here Thanks Tony Corsini 01:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

This is a automated to all bot operators
Please take a few moments and fill in the data for your bot on Bots/Status Thank you Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 19:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Invitation to comment about a category dispute
Hello, Kingboyk! I noticed that you were involved in deleting Category:Wikipedians born in 1993, and since there's a big war breaking out I'd like to invite you to comment here. You're not in trouble or anything, I just want this problem to be done with. &mdash;Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 03:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

speedy delete of Tariq Al-Amin
Hey, I just noticed that you deleted the article about Omaha PO Tariq Al-Amin. Could I ask which reason CSD A7 is? Also, do you have access to that article, that I could maybe upload it into my userspace? Thanks. Smmurphy(Talk) 17:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Replied at User_talk:Smmurphy. --kingboyk 09:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Missing topics pages
Did you have a specific reason to delete all the categories in addition to WikiProject Biography? - Skysmith 20:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Presumably, but I don't remember now. If there's still a problem please let me know. --kingboyk 09:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you here
Hello. I hope that I'm not disturbing you.... I just happened on your page and noticed that you are on an extended wikibreak, but it looks like you are editing some. I hope that you have returned and just haven't removed the notice. I was also gone for a while due to some personal issues, but I've been back for a bit now. I remember good interactions with you, so I hope that you are not gone. At any rate, I wish you well, and if you desire to not be disturbed, I'll apologize for intruding. --After Midnight 0001 03:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the message. I did desire not to be disturbed for various reasons, but I'm back now - I'm just not likely to be so involved with the meta side of things. Your words were very nice to read so thank you again. --kingboyk 09:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Plugins
Can I draw your attention back to the Kingbotk plugin - it is extraordinarily useful, however I have seen not support work being done on it lately. If this continues it will fall in to disuse, particularly as AWB has moved on and the settings format appears to have changed. Life needs feeding! Please don't let this one die. Thanks :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  10:01, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, We have got the plugin up to date with the new AWB, apart from the saving and loading of settings. We were discussing about releasing a version, which people could use with the up to date AWB, but that would be the only known main problem. Reedy Boy 12:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello
Nice to see you back. We've had a bust-up about the/The Beatles, and a few more articles are GA, but we're all still on speaking terms. :) ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 14:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Automated message to bot owners
As a result of discussion on the village pump and mailing list, bots are now allowed to edit up to 15 times per minute. The following is the new text regarding bot edit rates from Bot Policy: "Until new bots are accepted they should wait 30-60 seconds between edits, so as to not clog the recent changes list and user watchlists. After being accepted and a bureaucrat has marked them as a bot, they can edit at a much faster pace. Bots doing non-urgent tasks should edit approximately once every ten seconds, while bots who would benefit from faster editing may edit approximately once every every four seconds." Also, to eliminate the need to spam the bot talk pages, please add Bot owners' noticeboard to your watchlist. Future messages which affect bot owners will be posted there. Thank you. --Mets501 03:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies
Seeing that you are an active member of the WikiBiography Project, I was wondering if you would help lend a hand in helping us clear out the amount of unassessed articles tagged with. Many of them are of stub and start class, but a few are of B or A caliber. Getting a simple assessment rating can help us start moving many of these biographies to a higher quality article. Thank you! --Ozgod 21:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Delivering WP:Biography Newsletter
I asked on the talk page for the project, but the conversation doesn't need to take up space there. Is there a way for the newsletter to be delivered through an automated process, or will someone have to deliver it by hand? - Mocko13 22:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Your plugin
Hi Kingboyk; when the next version of AWB is released in a couple of days, can you update your plugin to ship with the new version? It uses a new checkpage format, and we're going to try and get everyone to update. — M ETS 501 (talk) 15:44, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Haha, We've still got to get the setting saving/loading sorted. I presume the only thing it is actually going to affect is 3.0.4.1 will use the old checkpage... Reedy Boy 16:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah right. I understand the problem now :) Well we'll try and get something out this week then. Cheers. --kingboyk 00:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * And it's done :) Great progress has been made this week! --kingboyk 09:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Warning newbies

 * Yeah, you're right. I'd been deleting so much school kids' out-and-out vandalism and nonsense that I got into a rhythm and let one slip by that wasn't really vandalism. My bad. Realkyhick 23:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Biography WikiProject Newsletter Delivery

 * Hmmmm... I must say, I do like the layout of this newsletter! LessHeard vanU 22:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

ArticleHistory and WikiProjectBanners
You posed an issue over at WikiProject reform, then I realized you had also asked a question at ArticleHistory.

I've also noticed that templates within templates are not handled well by the pywiki library. I think it is fixable, but it would take some investigation and possibly a lot of code changes. If you're running into the same problem with an entirely different code, then perhaps something needs rethinking with the the Banners template. Regarding the skeleton for ArticleHistory, I sorta thought the example in the documentation would work for copy/pasting. Is that not the case? Getting the oldids is so tedious by hand, though. Gimmetrow 20:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi mate, thanks for the message. With regards to the first point, I'm using AWB (which is written in C#) with my plugin, which is written in VB.NET. My plugin is a fairly sophisticated regular-expression driven templating tool. However, I don't really see any logical way of supporting this new template for automation. I've asked my users to make suggestions though.


 * With regards to the second point, yes, your examples are fine for copy and paste, but for only for 2 actions. I like to make computers do the work, lazy though that no doubt is :) --kingboyk 21:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking about creating a "job" page where people could list pages, then the bot would convert them over to ArticleHistory. As for moving templates out of the container, can't you use the "WikiProjectBanners" name to indicate location if you need to add more stuff? Note this works: It isn't necessary to number all the contained templates, though it makes it look pretty. Would this would make it easier for you? You could just find the first template inside Banners and add anything new after that? Gimmetrow 21:20, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure and will have to think about it :) I'm a bit rusty on my coding and regexps, having just revisited the project today after quite some weeks. Are you VB.NET friendly? You can have a look at the source code if you like, and perhaps advise on how we might confront this.


 * I have some more points to say in a more direct response to your questions but I'll save them for now and think about the issue a little longer as I don't want to appear to be a total idiot :) --kingboyk 21:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Or, perhaps you could share the regexes you use in your bot? --kingboyk 09:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not just using a regex. I grab the template if it exists, add parameters, re-arrange them, then substitute any occurances of the original template with the newly-edited version. My problem is that when a template is inside another template, it's not being recognized, causing a new one to be created. Gimmetrow 01:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's pretty much what my plugin does too. It explodes a template into template name and parameters, a process which can happen multiple times on one page with multiple WikiProject templates, then throws it all back together with neat formatting, any new params the operator has requested, and sometimes a new position on the talk page (talkheader - much as I dislike it - goes at the top if it exists; any WPBiography with living=yes gets second priority, and so on). See Special:Contributions/Kingbotk, the bot is running as we speak (just a simple job, tagging WPBio living=yes). A more complex run would be something like this. Here in one run 2 WP templates are being added. Conceivably somebody could be adding 3 at a time (say, Australian military personnel? That's WPBio, WPAus, WPMILHIST). --kingboyk 01:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The KLF front page

 * Yay, I'm glad this is finally getting on the front page, cheers! Wickethewok 08:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ooh... I didn't know... musta happened over night :) Vinoir was wanting 23 March, but I think any date this year - 20th anniversary - is fine. Exciting news! Cheers mate. --kingboyk 08:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool... I asked Raul on his talk page sometime in February to consider putting up on March 9th with the 20th anniversary after reading the original Today's featured article nom etc... somebody mentioned that in the original nom too I think... but yeah congratulations! Must be cool after all that hard work. LuciferMorgan 02:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know, I'll let you know after the event :) --kingboyk 13:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, congrats, man. Lexicon (talk) 00:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Talkpage
Ok! Thanks! Sina Kardar 16:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

The Beatles' miscellanea
''Check The Beatles' miscellanea to see if there is anything in it you can use. A lot of 'miscellanea' needs to be trimmed (as linked articles are improved) so please feel free to use anything before certain sections get zapped into the ether...''

I put this message on a lot of pages, so as to reduce the miscellanea page. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Bot placing WPBiography banners on disambiguation pages
Hi. I just reverted an addition to Dick Richards (disambiguation). Your Kingbotk program appears to be placing the WPBiography banner onto disambiguation pages. To my knowledge the banner should only be placed on the individual articles. Cheers. 23skidoo 18:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * See Special:Whatlinkshere/Talk:Dick_Richards_%28disambiguation%29. If folks want to redirect talk pages to dab pages, that's what happens :) --kingboyk 18:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * All fixed, thanks for letting me know. --kingboyk 18:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Just a quick one
On Templates for deletion/Log/2007 March 3 there was actually 3 almost identical templates which I bundled together in the one deletion - sorry for confusion DanielT5 19:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Whoops! Done, thanks. --kingboyk 19:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

wondering...
Why has an article I've been building, Edwin Scheier, been tagged with a BLP warning? Nothing in there is controversial in any way.ThuranX 19:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My bot has super magical powers - a form of advanced artificial intelligence - which allow it to deduce that an article contains dubious statements about a living person.


 * Actually, that's not true. See the FAQ I link to in my edit summaries, question #5. --kingboyk 19:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the "Hi!"
Of course I remember you! Thanks for popping by. I can't believe I've been on here for nearly a year now :) There've been some trials and tribulations but now I'm well and truly addicted to this place :) --  PageantUpdater  •  talk  |  contribs  |  esperanza  20:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Songs and singles
I've only just become aware of your post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs and think you've hit the nail on the head, there is a difference in what the guidance is for songs and singles compared to consensus. I had been interested in the project and made this point there some time back but couldn't get over this stumbling block and went elsewhere. Although I think it's a case of songs and singles - and that using (single) where there is an overarching article for the song might be a good solution in some cases.--Alf melmac 22:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Conflict
Kingboyk's present efforts to placed unassessed WPBiography templates on talk pages is working against a present drive to reduce the number of unassessed WPBiography templates. Is there any way that Kingboyk can place assessed WPBiography templates on talk pages or avoid biogaphy articles until March 24, 2007 - the end of the present assessment drive? -- Jreferee 04:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, please, we are trying to work through the already 130,000+ backlog that exists. If this could bot could be activated once we have cleared through the backlog that would awesome. As stated by Jreferee stated, if the bot could at least perhaps place a "stub" class so that it can later be reassessed? Thank you. --Ozgod 04:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I can turn the bot off until after the drive, certainly. I just thought I'd help out by getting the newest living people articles tagged whilst I was working on my plugin code. --kingboyk 11:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * As per my rant over at the project page (where folks were just complaining rather than at least being polite, as you are), I'm not willing to tag living=yes articles as stubs. The auto tagging of stubs is a feature which skates on thin ice.


 * I am however more than happy to help out by tagging a batch of articles which have stub templates (many thousands if you like). If somebody wants to give me a list, carefully compiled and checked, I can get onto it straight away.


 * Also, per my post, the unassessed count isn't the number to focus on, since it is at this stage entirely bogus. The true figure is likely 200,000+. --kingboyk 15:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think our concern is to get those Unassessed articles at least rated so we can get the development moving on them, and 130,000+ articles is a daunting task for a group of people. I think after we knock out a majority of the backlog I see no problem with your bot running (which is wonderful since it gets us focused on articles that haven't been tagged with {WPBiography} tags. --Ozgod 14:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Offer still stands about tagging stubs. I must also remember to have a word with the Stub Sorting folks about a catch-all category. --kingboyk 16:12, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I do not see much harm in your bot going through and tagging any unassessed articles with 'Stub'. If it is able to detect an image & infbox on the page, then a start class. After that it would be mere maintenance and then tagging the articles correctly to the right groups & class. --Ozgod 18:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't even read the article. It uses a list I feed to it, which would be a list of talk pages, and applies the template parameters I tell it to. I won't be auto rating at anything other than Stub class as it simply doesn't have - and imho wouldn't get - community approval. --kingboyk 18:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see anyone's problems with the bot to be honest. The claim that the Kingboyk is against the present drive is pure horse manure - more articles have been assessed etc. so the drive is doing fine. Tagging unassessed bio articles actually means then the backlog is a true figure of what's ahead, as opposed to being fictional. So, as a person signed up to the assessment drive, it's my thumbs up for the bot being active here and now. LuciferMorgan 02:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

AWB plugin
I would like to use your plugin to tag album articles. I am just curious where did you get the list of articles to work on back in August 2006? Jogers (talk) 18:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm... any clue in the edit summaries? If not, it would have been album categories. I recall working my way through the category tree building a list. I also recall coming across a lot of miscategorised articles, so be careful! Sorry I can't be of much more help. --kingboyk 18:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks. Jogers (talk) 18:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Sharon
I'm concerned about the most recent edit (particularly the edit summary) - not something we really need lying around. Please do. – Chacor 14:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Already done. pschemp | talk 14:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

listas= parameter removal
Is there any chance this could be causing this problem? Thanks, RHB Talk - Edits 18:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but we're working to rectify it by restoring listas= but with some simple code instead of 10k of code bloat which sometimes causes breakages. Sorting under T: is the natural way of sorting talk pages if there's no other configuration so that's how they'll sort until it's fixed or unless DEFAULTSORT is used. --kingboyk 18:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Song merge
Hi, Kingboyk. Given your comments at WP:SONG and elsewhere about merges of song articles, I was wondering what your thoughts may be on "God Save the Queen (Sex Pistols song)" and "God Save the Queen (Motörhead song)" – if it was to be on a case by case basis? Thanks. Bubba hotep 14:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry to but in here too but I just noticed the 'undoing of my undoing there' - The merge tag wasn't applied as last time when it received it no consensus and was removed. In this particular case I'm not too fussed because as yet, it doesn't interrupt a reader's navigation though and there isn't much info there - yet. Your comments about songs and singles are appreciated, it is a mess.--Alf melmac 14:38, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's proper for it to be merged under current guidelines. If this were just an album track, that would be the end of it imho as I really don't think covers of very famous songs like this deserve seperate articles. Of course with 2 single infoboxes it looks like a right old mess, as I commented b4! --kingboyk 16:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

fr:In Gorbachev We Trust
Hi ! I'm Grimlockfr here, but my nick is Grimlock on the french wikipedia. I saw that you have added a comment in the history of this page in order to mention that you and other contributors created this article here. I would like to tell you that it is absolutly uneeded : when I had translated this text, I added at the end a special template (not the interwiki link, but another thing) which points to the version which was translated and in the discussion page of the same article, there is another template who is more accurate and aknowledge the contributors of the original article with the GFDL licence mention and so on. Don't worry about that : all the legal mentions are written :). See you ! Grimlockfr 14:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh I see, thanks for letting me know I'm an idiot :) Cheers! --kingboyk 10:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Non-league football banner
I have paused my editing until we resolve this issue.

The reason I posted the banner on Non-League footballl articles' talk pages is for recruitment purposes - the Non-League Football Wikiproject would benefit from more members. WikiProject_Council/Guide states that "the most effective method is through the use of a project banner template". The guide then goes on to state "The banner should be added to the talk page of any article within the project's scope". I put the NLF banner on the talk pages because they come under the scope of the Wikiproject. Further, I felt it was logical to have the most specific project banner. (For example, all football articles could potentially have the Wikiproject Sport banner on their talk pages, but they have the more specific Football instead).

The reason why I kept the Football banner is because that banner also provides a way to rate the quality of articles, which the non-League football does not. For an example of a similar situation, see Talk:Alberta, which has the Alberta project banner for "exactness"; and the Canada project banner for rating purposes.

"It ought to be blatantly obvious - but seemingly isn't - that you should organise as a workgroup of the main project and share a banner by way of a template". You are quite right, it isn't "blatently obvious". Given that WikiProject Non-league football already exsists, I fail see why a taskforce (presumably of the Football project) is required. I also don't understand what you mean by "share a banner by way of a template".

Tom pw (talk) 20:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah... just seen that you corrected things to "share a banner by way of a parameter". That makes more sense :-) It might well have been better to start a taskforce rather than a seperate project, but that's a moot point, as the project exsists. If you feel it should be folded into the Football project, then go ahead and propose it on the NLF project talk page. I've no idea what support/opposion you'll get.
 * I also find it strange that you proposed banning me for making legitimate edits. Tom pw (talk) 20:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply and for holding off on the tagging while we talk. The point is that the proliferation of WikiProject banners is becoming a real problem which is causing resentment amongst some editors who aren't interested in them.
 * Your project probably shouldn't exist as a standalone project, since it entirely a subset of WikiProject Football. You would be better off organising it as a workgroup/taskforce/child project of WP Football, and sharing a banner. That an article is within the scope of the Non-League child project would be denoted by a parameter (template was a typo). For an example of this, see WikiProject Musicians which is a child project of WP Biography and which shares our template (WPBiography). They have their own article lists, they get recruitment advertising, but they don't get a seperate banner because they don't need one.
 * You might like to direct any further comments to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_reform where I've put it up for discussion. --kingboyk 20:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * As an admin and also an AWB developer I think I would be well within my rights to issue a block in extreme circumstances of using AWB against community consensus, but there's no need for that since you stopped anyway.


 * As I said, that "the project already exists" is a red herring. You're a subset of football, you have the same logo, you have no independent assessment scheme. Your banner can be firmly categorised as talk page clutter. --kingboyk 20:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I am aware that some users object to having too many project banners on talk pages. Also, you don't think child wikiprojects shouldn't exist. That may or may not be true, but such ideas are currently at most a proposed policy, and I cannot see how they could be used to say my actions were wrong. I was acting in accordance with WikiProject Council/Guide, which states it is a guideline. You also imply that such banners are against community consensus. Again, WikiProject Council/Guide encourages their use. As a guideline, it represents community consensus, so I feel it is wrong to say use of such banners is against consensus.
 * Seperately, you argue seems to be that the NLF project is child of the Football project, so is not entitled to a banner of its own. By analogy, neither is the football project (as a child and subset of the sports project), nor is WikiProject United States (as a child and subset of the Geography project). Simailarly, none of the children have their own independent method of assessement. As for the lack of distinct logo... that could be changed in about 30 seconds if you feel that strongly about it. If you really feel that the NLF project shoudl be re-orgainsed, please stop trying to convince me of it, and work on convincing the members of the project (and also the Football project) instead. Your views on how wikiprojects should be organised, no matter how wise and true, do not represent community consensus. Granted, you are working towards trying to change that consensus (which is great and wonderful and very much the Wikipeida way), but it would be rather difficult if I had to make edits on a possible future consensus, rather than the current one. Tom pw (talk) 21:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Question: how would you feel if I altered Football to have a parameter like Non-League=yes, which would cause it display the essentials from Non-League Football? I could run that through with AWB tonight, but I need a fairly fast answer. Tom pw (talk) 21:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Loxwood F.C. for an example. Tom pw (talk) 22:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's exactly what I had in mind. That removes the double tag whilst also advertising your project. Nice work, cheers! --kingboyk 10:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC) PS If I were you I'd create the Non-League Football articles by quality categories, so that your project has it's own worklists. Give me a shout if you need any help with that. --kingboyk 11:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Justified AND Ancient
KLF as featured article, that's pretty much why you've been hanging around Wikipedia all this time isn't it? Nice job :) Deiz talk 09:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Re The KLF ... Major congrats dude... well done! ++Lar: t/c 15:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, much appreciated. --kingboyk 16:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Seperate template
Hi, technically speaking Novels are not a subset of Books, although the projects have a strong relationship. A Novel is a writing form, normally delivered in Book form. Personally I can't see why the less active project has been also marking the Novels and other prose narrative related articles when we have also marked them but that is something to work out. :: Kevinalewis  : (Talk Page) /(Desk)  09:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you, then, have articles within your scope which aren't books? What percentage of your articles would that be?
 * What I'm really getting at is the same theme as the Non-League Football above, where your scope is wholly or perhaps only mostly within the scope of another project it's best to share a template.
 * The alternative is to do what I did with WPBeatles and WPKLF, which is to bring in the assessment categories and scope messages of other projects which share scope with you into your template. That way you still share a template, but you share yours rather than theirs. I think that's better for music projects which cover biography, albums and song; in your case I would think you ought to share the Books template even if you have slighly wider scope. British Royalty share the WPBio template, despite conceivably having such things as Windsor Castle within their remit. --kingboyk 10:49, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If we ever went this route - it would take quite a bit of reorganising, template recoding and retagging. Whew infact I feel faint just thinking about it. :: Kevinalewis  : (Talk Page) /<sub style="color:#C90">(Desk)  10:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol, I see. A bot could do it. Well, let's leave it there for now, just don't say I didn't mention it :) --kingboyk 10:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

DEFAULTSORT and Listas
Please consider adding your thoughts to this discussion. -- Jreferee 18:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. I've said it several times already, I'm pretty sure it's not possible. Talk pages and articles are seperate entities in the database. It would require developers to implement it, and I'm sure they'd say it's not worth it. No harm in asking though I suppose. --kingboyk 18:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The Beatles' miscellanea
Could you drop a note on my talk page about where The Beatles' miscellanea is now located after all the AFD attempts. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Should the article be in The Beatles? I am not sure what the protocol is for WP space articles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 21:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC).
 * No it shouldn't. It isn't, is it? --kingboyk 21:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Got your e-mails. I stand by you. (That sounds like a Chrissie Hynde song, doesn't it?) andreasegde 00:37, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Deleting my user space
Why did you delete User:J Di/1? As far as I can tell, it wasn't a CSD, and it was the only thing stopping people from recreating my user page, which I do not want. J Di 12:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Housekeeping (empty page transcluding an empty page). I didn't understand that was what it was for (nor that Mediawiki works that way). Sorry. A bit odd that an admin doesn't have a user page though. --kingboyk 12:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Skeletor vs. Beastman
In all seriousness, Gnarkill are a bunch of guys famous for falling out of trees and shitting out of moving cars who make budget prank calls and screw around with keyboards and mixers in their spare time. I enjoy CKY stuff but it's mindless nonsense at the best of times. That, musically, they are not fit to breathe on the shoes of messrs Drummond et al is beyond question, and knowing as much as I do about the CKY universe, this misses notability by some distance. I really haven't found anything resembling a reliable source for any of this. <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#000000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF3300">z</FONT> talk 14:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol, now why didn't you say so in the first place? ;) --kingboyk 14:51, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Beatle template
Re the Beatle template draft on my home page: I am OK with the change you made to "colspan" the studio albums. You also asked a question in your edit summary comment, "But can we fix the cell borders?" I don't know what you mean. How should then be fixed? John Cardinal 20:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. To give it the appearance of being one cell rather than two, or to remove the internal but not the external borders. I find the wiki table code really difficult so I don't know if it can be done. --kingboyk 23:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll try that when I get back to working on it. Other irons in the fire... John Cardinal 00:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Wonderbra FAC
Thanks for the suggestions. Take a look at my reply. One thing I didn't do was crop the live photo with the model. Check out the links I suggested and see if you agree. Regards. --Mattnad 23:03, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do, thanks for the msg. --kingboyk 23:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 11, March 2007

 * Want to help on next month's newsletter? Don't want to receive these in future? Don't want it subst'd next time? – It's all here.

delivered by ++Larbot - run by User:Lar - t/c 00:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Kingbotk request
Hi Kingboyk, I have a humble request to make as part of my efforts to get the Metal Project assessment scheme in full swing. If I understand the Kingbotk correctly and how it works, then it may be able to help the assessment department of the metal project. If an article has metal-album-stub, 1980s-metal-album-stub, 1990s-metal-album-stub, 2000s-metal-album-stub metal-music-stub, thrash-metal-album-stub, metal-song-stub or US-metal-band-stub on its article page, then I'm assuming the bot could detect those specific tags and add a HMM tag to the talk pages combined with an automated stub assessment?

If this is correct, I'd be real grateful if you could fix this up and get it under way. Many thanks for everything, you've always been a real help. LuciferMorgan 12:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't actually do that (but it might in version 2). Currently it has to be fed a list of articles to tag, and the parameters set by the operator in advance. Nonetheless that job could be done simply by building the lists from the categories you mention. If you want auto-stubbing you'll need to add an auto=yes to the template, as I'm not willing to "assess" by bot without recording the fact it was done by a bot not a human.
 * Anyrode, I'll do it or User:Reedy Bot will do it (as I know he was looking for jobs to do). HTH. --kingboyk 18:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, no worries about adding an assessment, just a tag will do as once they're tagged they'll end up in an unassessed category waiting for me to assess them. So the Kingbotk doesn't go by stub tags then, but by categories? LuciferMorgan 19:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Right. At the moment it goes by categories. I might have it load and parse the articles in version 2 but haven't decided yet. --kingboyk 20:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll get back to you with categories housing articles that would be appropriate for the HMM tag. LuciferMorgan 21:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Watch the edits!! 2500 ish to go!! Reedy Boy 21:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I added auto=yes to the template. --kingboyk 21:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * This was completed overnight. Edits, and the Logs Reedy Boy 11:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks boys. With that contribution you've contributed more to the Metal Project than most of the lazy members added together :) LuciferMorgan 22:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol. Glad to be of assistance. --kingboyk 23:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * W00t. Hehe, 2857 Stubs =) Reedy Boy 23:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

User:69.201.182.76
I've noticed that this IP user has had a habit of tagging barely-created articles for either proposed or speedy deletion. Many(if not all)of those tagged articles have been expanded into decent articles(with offending tagging removed). Just figured I give you a heads up since you warned him/her about the vandalistic speedy-tagging of The KLF which you kindly reverted to the pre-tagging version... ^.^ Ranma9617 02:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of "List of multiracial people" page -- why was it done so quickly?
I noticed that the "List of multiracial people" article, which is one I have worked on for quite a long while, was nominated for deletion by someone who does not yet (seemingly) have a Wikipedia handle on March 7, 2007, and after only three days of voting, you deleted it on March 10.

I know that one should not be so territorial about one's work on WP, but I have to wonder why this article was so quickly deleted, without so much as a heads-up to those of us who have worked long and hard on it. I also (understandably) totally disagree with the premise by the unknown poster for nominating it for deletion in the first place. Speaking as a multi-cultural person myself, the list was not "offensive" -- it was a quite valuable resource for myself and others, which is why I and others spent so much time maintaining it. It may indeed "could contain a plethoric amount of names", but it's not as if the list was the size of the Manhattan telephone directory. I have no doubt that there are millions if not a few billion people in the world who have multiple racial ancestry, but not all of them are notable enough to have WP entries, and, therefore, would have no chance whatsoever of appearing on the list.

I find it hard to understand why the opinion of the poster at the IP address 69.120.229.5, a person who has not bothered to register a name/handle here at WP (I could be wrong and I stand to be corrected on this, of course) should have greater weight in determining the suitability of an article's presence here, than someone like me, who has been a contributing Wikipedian for quite some time. What was this person afraid of, that some neo-Nazi group would use the list as a hitlist or something?

I am still rather miffed with the way this deletion was handled, and I would appreciate it if you could shed some light on the issue. On a brighter note, at least the articles that were linked from the list weren't deleted as well. I would have prefered a much better handling of the situation, myself.

I hope to hear from you soon.

P.S.: If the article is not going to be brought back, could you at least send me a copy of it, so that I could maintain my own, private version of the list? Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jalabi99 (talk • contribs) 16:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
 * We don't vote, we determine consensus, and consensus was already clear. My reasons for closing early were as stated in my closing summary. I'm not willing to provide a copy in this instance, because it's a list not an article and the debate has already decided this isn't the appropriate way to categorise people. You can appeal any of these decisions at WP:DRV but I'd be amazed if they are overturned. --kingboyk 16:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, what's with adding the list as a "see also" on every article about a person of mixed race hetitage? Why on earth would somebody reading about Mariane Pearl think "you know what, I'd love to read about other people of mixed race"? Is it such a defining characteristic that it's why folks would be reading about her in the first place? Of course not. So now I have to go remove all these red links! --kingboyk 16:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The Orb FAC?

 * Heya Kingboyk! I've been doing some copyediting on The Orb and was wondering if you thought it might be ready for FAC.  Just a quick glance when you get a chance.  Many thanks.  :)  Wickethewok 03:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Bot approvals process
Just in case any of you haven't seen the new bot request to track the bot approvals process, this is just a reminder to use the correct templates at BAG Admin Tools so the bot can correctly identify the stage of bot approval. Also, the approved requests section has been moved to a separate page at Bots/Approved bot requests for the Bureaucrats to watchlist. When approving a request, make sure you remove it from the main page and place it on that page so that a bureaucrat can flag it. Thanks. MetsBot 16:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

WPBeatles
Hi Sandy. This message relates to an old edit, but I'll tell you about it anyway for future reference :) WPBeatles mimics/imitates the templates of other projects who share scope with us, including the assessment categories, so only our template is needed. I would have thought that apparent from the html comment in this diff showing your edit, but you must have missed it. --kingboyk 13:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Kingboy, I'm not really sure what the message is here? What am I missing?  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 16:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * ah, now it comes back to me :-) The Song Project had been commented out&mdash;not sure why that was done instead of just removing it?  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 17:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * So that folks would hopefully see the comment and understand that the template isn't needed. Plan failed ;) --kingboyk 18:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm slower than the average bear :-) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 06:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

StewieBot
Is there any way you can look at the new description of StewieBot for me. You can find it here I haven't been getting much feedback and I was hoping to get the ball rolling on approval. Thank you in advance. --D 18:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Sonoma County FAC
Hey, Kingboyk. I'm not trying to edit war with you on the Featured article candidates/Sonoma County, California page. However, User:Raul654 is the only editor with recognized authority to close FACs, so it's highly irregular for someone else to attempt to do so. Likewise, the template you have appended is not used—ever—on the FAC page. If you wish the page to be closed, please leave a note at User talk:Raul654 so he can see it and respond. — Brian ( talk ) 22:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree. I'm an admin, it's clearly not going to pass, I'm entitled to close it. Ask at WP:AN if you disagree. Raul can close it properly when he sees it. --kingboyk 23:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've posted a question about the matter at Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. — Brian ( talk ) 02:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Objection on deletion of pooya mirzaee rad
Hi, why deleted the pooya mirzaee rad article? The article is similar to other articles which my friends made : fardad farahzad. I tried to add references and some sources. everyday I studied the wiki and beforehand I tried on sandbox. Now when I was getting successful to put some photos with correct copyright way, you've just deleted my page. there are several websites about Pooya Mirzaee Rad. and I was trying to make a integrated link referenced to each claim on the page. anyway I don't believe that this article should be deleted. Even I don't have the content to make it better... what you are doing is not HELP! it's destroying and I'm so unhappy about it. in the article pooya mirzaee rad there was no advertisement. a user introducing web page or something like that. it was all about kharizmi festival which is an important event and winners are most important topics to follow. please advice...

at least I want to know what's difference between deleted pooya mirzaee rad and fardad farahzad which exists? Pooyarad 05:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Betacommand
All hell has broken loose at User talk:Betacommand and WP:AN or WP:ANI (I forget which), and it seems to be about the link removal task he's just been approved for. He was removing Google links, despite my pointing out to him that Google is an official interwiki link. The result was that citations to newsgroup postings were being zapped (hardly the most reliable source, but that's not the point). Also, he was doing it under his own account not the bot's, which was presumably a mistake.

I thought that the approval came a bit quick as he hadn't adequately answered my question about how he was deciding what was spam or not. Either way, I think we should withdraw task approval or risk having egg on our collective faces; he can always reapply when the process has been streamlined and has community approval.

In Beta's defence he did clean up the mess; this isn't about censure but about recognising that we've got a bot approval wrong. Agree or not? --kingboyk 22:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 100% agree., and I've notified Betacommand. — M ETS 501 (talk) 00:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers. --kingboyk 00:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)